Here is my idea which may be wrong or may be not:

Games costs are lower than official resellers because they buy games with stolen credit cards, and sell them at a lower price in order to have clean money. They will gain even if they sell it at -75% because they can't keep the stolen money.
They also buy discounted games and re-sell them at a higher % than the steam discount.
They sell "random keys" which are often bundled games and free games.

In addition, if the police tries to trace stolen money, they will find that the cash was used to buy games. Those games will be linked to thousands of people around the world which purchased illegal copies. So police and governments can't do anything about it.

If I am wrong, please bring me a contract between Bethesda(random publisher) and Kinguin and I will apologize.

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You could be right or wrong, but you are definitely a bigot.

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DEF Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.
Please tell me why would you think that

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I suspect that Stuartalex saw that you used the word "faggot" and inferred that you deride homosexuals.

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Bingo

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I second this.

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Please do not take this discussion to something it wasn't ment to be, since i have some homosexual friends and I really am not racist or anything.
In my country you use a word which is the equivalent of faggot in casual conversation and I can assure you that it means no real offense to homosexuals(here)

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You're explaining yourself to the wrong person - I haven't accused you of anything; I merely answered the question that you asked.

But be aware that it is such a cliché for bigots to address their targets as "faggots" that if you use that particular word to describe people you're almost certain to be perceived as a bigot yourself, whether or not you are one.

Also, try to avoid the "I'm not a ..., some of my best friends are ..." defense - it doesn't have the intended effect ;)

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Well that is something new I've learned, cultural differences I guess :)

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Yup. Different cultures are cool, but there are landmines like this to watch out for. By the way, which country do you come from?

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Especially when I grew up that word just meant a bundle of sticks for tinder or was slang for pack of smokes

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"Fag" usually means "cigarette" over here too, even now.

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Different words for the same thing can result in radically different meanings. Faggot falls into a similar category as the N-word, meaning that it tends to be viewed as a negative word. And why would you use a word for gay in that context anyway?
Those games will be linked to thousands of homosexuals around the world which purchased illegal copies.
does not actually sound any better, because it's utterly irrelevant.

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Thirded, and now blacklisted.(Fatality that is)

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What for?

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He's doing it cause you called someone a fag or something. I don't think you should care. If people are going to discriminate against you because they don't like the words you use, then they are the bigots. Just ignore them.

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generally they are just shops that sell keys for other ppl. If other person buys with stolen CC keys will get revoked - it sometimes happens, but most of the times they resell keys from cheaper regions. For example game XYZ costs 10$ in russia and 20$ in western countries. User ZYX buys 5 copies in russia, sell then on G2A for 15$, he earns 15$ profit, G2A earns 10$ profit, game devs loss 50$ profit. Ofc keys can also come from past promos, stolen boxed copies or wherever else.

It's not a money-laundering of stolen CCs (keys can get revoked) - but it's a shady business where you can never be sure the original source or if you will keep the game you bought.

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Actually those games would be region locked, am I wrong?
Besides I don't know how law works in your country, but in mine it would illegal for steam to revoke my key if I prove that I've bought it on a site which claims to be an official reseller. Here, if I stole your money and buy my wife a car, the police could not take it away from her, they can only take things that i own.

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You don't have laws to protect the victims of theft in case the product gets re-sold or given away "in good faith"?

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You can have a refund of money or the thing you were stolen of IF this is possible. Often it isn't.

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I don't know what country you are from, but in this country, and steams home country, they can terminate you at anytime, cause you agreed to it in the EULA. " Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers."

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only gifts are region locked always. Keys may be locked or may be not, case-to-case basis.

if you purchased a key from legal source it would be illegal. As you are not buying from official source it's your responsibility to make sure goods you're buying comes from legal source. if you buy a stolen car it's not yours to keep just becausze you didn't know if it's stolen. You may take legal actions against person who sold you stolen key, not against Valve. And good luck taking legal actions against some russian kid :D:

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and as for your car argument - yes they can and they will. In most of western legal systems there is a term "forfeiture of assets coming from illegal sources" - all things you got illegally or using illegaly obtained money / other sources may be forfeit any time.

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You forgot "Also, items that are suspected of being obtained or purchased using fraudulent means", yeah, so you got a nice, shiny, new TV a month after you started selling? Regardless of whether or not you used the money from the selling of dodgy games or if you used the money you earned from the local gay bar, (your wording makes you sound like you may fit right in there), mopping up random Margarita spillages and glitter.......Say bye-bye to that 70-inch Widescreen 1080p Full HD Wi-Fi Smart 3D TV. Why? Because you need to prove, to a court or a judge, that you used LEGAL money to buy it and, well, just because they fucking can!!

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Well, up untill a few months ago you could still buy most games from russia for a cheaper price. These days they are region locked but im sure the sellers still have a lot of games for sale what were bought during those days.

Also kinguin etc isn't an official reseller nor does it claim to be so steam has every right to revoke the key or gift.

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Well, it is still unclear who the owners of G2A are. It is registered in Poland, but that's as far as it goes.
So… money laundering as a half-legit online store could be a valid assumption, just as how many more theories could.

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stop talking about this..or we can't have games at right prices. i wanna point on the fact that a Digital game CAN?T costs as much a physical copy...cuz digital costs to publisher way much less then doing Master gold,packaging, shipping...so why Steam and other official seller should charge us with prices higher then retail ? sry bad english

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I don't know what you are talking about. At least where I live, physical copies cost A LOT MORE than digital copies. I never buy them. Even in Russia it must be like this (I guess)

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physical copy costs less then retail...only if u buy from gamestop costs more..trust me..compare price with play.com, blahdvd,gamerepublik,etc..u can see for yourself

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Matter of fact, I have been buying games there for quite some time, never had any major issues, you can choose the seller you're going to buy from (number of successful transactions and country) and their support always answered me very promptly. Claiming that the entire site is suspicious is a bit generalizing imo.

EDIT: Furthermore, they accept Boacompra (Go4Gold) credits via G2APay, which is a very known and trustworthy brazilian provider for game content (currently operating on several other countries). Steam itself accepts Boacompra payments from Brazil players - I'm sure Boacompra wouldn't partner with a business without making sure it is trustworthy.

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Fallout 4 currently has an amazing price by your standards, you must be delighted by such opportunity :3

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Gamestop(seller of physical copyes) prices are far higher than steam's. The cheapest crappy game there would cost you 2,49 euro. At least where i live.

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the right question should be : why Steam ,Uplay,Origin charge us for digital game higher then retail phisycal games?

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+1 but obivious answer .

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Because people still buy them.

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There are really 2 layers to it. The first one being, as you said, because people buy it (games are sold at the price that expects to give the optimal income), but the second one has to do with the physical retail stores. If they are to sell a game, they don't want to be undercut by digital stores, so in order to sell the games, they demand that their "recommended price" will be the same as the one on Steam (Origin, uplay and so on). For PC games retail stores don't hold much sway anymore, but there are still some titles that are sold both digitally and in retail stores (like Skyrim, CoD and so on).

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Also people are just lazy, they would rather have the digital copy than to install it from CD's.

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I can always take that pretty boxed not gonna name the game so it wouldn't be possibly seen as begging xD off your hands if you're too lazy xD

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Shame you're a bit late, I threw out a lot of game boxes a while ago (only saved the valuable ones, or the ones from games that I really like). I wonder what shipping would be like for such large boxes...

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Oh that's really sweet but I was just pulling Bear's leg about one boxed edition no-one's allowed to mention in front of me or I get a total breakdown xD

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WHY DIDNT YOU SOLD THEM?

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I tried, no-one wanted big box copies. I even tried to give them away

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You didnt try hard enough, trust me (: Which edition/collectors boxes of games were?

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Many of them were budget editions, so they had no real collectors value. I don't remember all the boxes I got rid of, but they included Dark Colony, Stratosphere, Capitalism, Crusader No Remorse, Theme Hospital, Warzone 2100 and so on. Also, several of them were collections of games. I did not get rid of my Daggerfall, System Shock, Morrowind Collector's Edition or Majesty boxes though.

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But why did you get rid of them?

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Space. I don't have a very big apartment, and I'm not going to pay for extra storage.

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Not lazy at all, thanks xD

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Anyone can sell at G2A, I'm sure many sellers there just got keys as gift or off a trade and are trying to make a quick profit. The people with a lot of transactions are something quite suspicious though. Maybe they obtain keys for free in special promotions, but in the end anything we can think of here is pure speculation.

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A lot of the keys are stolen keys that could be retracted later.

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Just don't buy there.

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They buy cheaper and sell more expensive, if you want to buy cheaper than their prices, and their prices are not really cheap if know about best deals in time, you have to visit forums, groups, etc to see where you can buy a game for cheap like in Nuuvem, Amazon, etc they even buy in sites like Russian GMG, or other cheap region sites, it after resell to you, and since most of the ppl don't visit forums to know about best deals in time, they just make profit from this ppl.

For example, tons of LEGO games where sold in Nuuvem for very cheap, so G2a or Kinguin sellers buy this games, and after resell them on this sites, and make considerable profit.

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G2A == Ebay for steam keys.

Half of them are people buying cheap selling high, the other half "fell off the back of a truck".

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Why did you feel the need to use the word "Faggot" in that context?

If I am wrong, please bring me a contract between Bethesda(random publisher) and Kinguin and I will apologize.
That's now how presenting evidence works. You made a statement, and thus you need to back it up. The burden of evidence is on you. That form of demand is just a way of covering your own back in case someone disagrees with you, it's something that you can try to lean back on when they question what you say.

Grey market keys can come from any number of sources. Due to the very nature of how a grey market works, you won't see a contact between a publisher and the reseller. They don't get their keys from the publisher, they get them from other sources. Sometimes those are copies bought with stolen credit cards (as seen in the Sniper Elite 3 or Natural Selection 2 cases), but often they are keys purchased from regions with lower prices or boxed copies that the reseller has been able to acquire at a lower than steam price. If my memory serves TB talks about it in this video (don't take my word for it though, I'm not about to re-watch it).

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You got it all covered.

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As I said at the beginning of the post, I do not have the answer, but I am indeed skeptical of the legality of these sites and i would like an evidence of my being wrong. Some of the giveaways from steamgifts come indirectly from g2a and i wrote that in case of an answer from the people related to them.
You could be right about buying on other regions but I taght there was some kind of region protection.

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See my above comment.

The problem is that we are dealing with a C2C market (consumer to consumer). The overseeing entity can only regulate things within the range of possibilities.

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anyway..i never bought for g2p or kinguin..but that's because i wait bundles and sales...but that's becaouse release prices for digital games are way to high..there is 0 reason to buy on day 1 this days

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Illuminati confirmed

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I bought on g2a once and I'm pretty sure most of the games they sell are just users.

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+1 Users are sellers.

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I personally find it quite risky to buy from such websites. The only game I bought from there was Deus Ex: Human Revolution vanilla because Director's Cut is the only game that you can get from Steam and it is buggy to death.

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I stopped giving two piles of dung about what you wrote when I saw "faggot" in your post. Grow up, kid.

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As I said, mister morality, it's just a different perception of the word since we live in different countries. Maybe in America(or wherever you come from) it is felt as a real problem but here homosexuality is generally accepted and calling a homosexual person with the equivalent of faggot in my language means no offense and is often used in casual conversations. Same thing for the word immigrant, I am not even born here so i often get called immigrant but it is ment to be a friendly joke, but i guess you would call a lawyer if someone would dare say that to you. Open your mind man,

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Try this

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Oooorrrr they buy from other countries which aren't region locked and/or during huge discounts, and then sell at a markup and bam, profit.

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I sell there. I don't use stolen credit cards, my prices are cheaper than market price. Just buy bundles and suddenly everything makes sense. Most of the codes for new releases sold there are from common people selling codes from their sponsors.

You're just trying to witch hunt. You statement is false for most of the keys being sold there.

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Excuse me if I didn't specify, but i was talking about Big names like The Witcher 3, GTA 5 and others, sold at 37 euro the day after the releasing. What do you mean by "selling codes from their sponsors"?

Maybe I expressed myself badly, but I don't pretend to know the truth. I really am asking for an answer, and wanted to share my idea since i know such methods are very common among bad hackers to clean up money.

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Simple. Say I have a youtube channel. A BIG youtube channel about gaming. Then (EXAMPLE) Bethesda comes by and says "Hey, bro, we just released Fallout 4, we'd like to give you a key for our game so you can review it in your channel and spread the good word on our game. then we will give you 5 codes you must giveaway as a publicity stunt! In payment, we'd like to give you 5 other keys. You can do whatever you want to do with them, is that ok?".

A steam friend of mine with a small twitch channel got a hold of several dying light keys like this.

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I had no idea of the existance of this kind of marketing. Thanks for the information, it could be an explanation

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faggots

Great going, bozo.

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I kindly invite you to read the conversation about that word.

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So edgy. Seen better 92s. Delete ur internetz plx.

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"Delete ur internet plx"
Seen better English too.

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Quite the big mouth for someone that illiterate.

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Illiterate definition: Violating prescribed standards of speech or writing.
"ur" and "plx" are a violation of those standars as well as "deleting internet".

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" faggots around the world which purchased illegal copies"
Really? Because i shop at kinguin im a faggot? (Not that there is anything wrong with being gay) But anyway blacklisted for being a bigot and an asshole.

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I kindly invite you to read the conversation about that word.

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Are you just copying and pasting that

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Sure, if people repeat things without reading.
I had a different perception of that word, it was not ment to be offensive. We are talking about an idea, which could be wrong. But IF those sites sell games bought with stolen CC, and IF people who buy it knows that, i think they are assholes. Not just because of committing an illegal act but also for risking to throw their money.

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If they were bought with stolen credit cards they would have been revoked. None of my games have ever been revoked.

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Actually some of kinguin's keys were revoked by origin resulting bought by stolen CC and then given back to users. But this kind of illegal market does exist. My primary question is: how much big it is?

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Probably not that big. People dont trust kinguin like they do with greenmangaming

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Ok, not to be a bitch or anything but you're using definitions from fishy sources as, for example, the primary meaning of "literate" has nothing to do with "Violating prescribed standards of speech or writing" but with being unable to read or write at all.

Illiterate definition: Violating prescribed standards of speech or writing.
"ur" and "plx" are a violation of those standars as well as "deleting internet".

You'd be surprised how many online dictionaries are, for the lack of a better word, sh*t.
I'm guessing you're using Online Dictionary?
Defend yourself using your own words rather than trying to get all "official" by using online sources as it will often make you appear uneducated.
Trust me, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to online dictionaries :)
And again, I'm not trying to be a bitch here or a smart-ass or anything like that, I promise, I'm just saying this as you've used that several times in this discussion.

Also, if you're using Online Dict you could have easily checked for the meaning of word "faggot" and gotten "The terms faggot and fag are both used with disparaging intent and are perceived as highly insulting."
Yeah, I know how ridiculous it is for me to be using an Online Dict. as an example here after calling it sh*t but I'm trying to prove a point about the use of "faggot" and the community's reaction to it.
I believe you just used it as a general insult, something like "jackasses" or "asshats" but don't forget that this is the web and, as English is not your native tongue, you're threading dangerous waters when using insults from a culture you're not a part of.
Good for you for editing the main post and removing it <3

Lastly, look at the positive side of getting this reaction to your use of insulting terms-> this is SG and the community here is really friendly and committed to keeping this a good-vibes place for everyone so people who use insults get this reaction, which is amazing! <3

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The comunity is really friendly? People blacklisted/insulted/flamed me for using a wrong word in a language which is not mine.
I know most of the people here are kind, otherwise we wouldn't do giveaways right? Friendly was the guy above which explained me why i was called bigot for example, other people just flamed and raged. I edited the post just to prove that this is a misunderstanding and there is no need for palandins of morality.

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stolen credit cards
i saw a topic with missing games from gog, all bought from this scam site

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