Well, it's down to the Developer to accurately tagging the game. And having read some reviews "Full Controller support" seems to be somewhat subjective.
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Full controller support I've found usually means it supports Xbox 360, Xbox 1 and MAYBE PS4.
No it doesn't. FCS very specifically means that every action after pressing play in your library can be input with a controller. Skyrim is only PCS because your name still has to be input with a keyboard, Cyberpunk was recently changed from Full to Partial as it features a launcher with no controller support.
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It's very much not what you just said. Controller support is neither an indication that a particular type of controller will work or at all related to what button prompts will be displayed.
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What have refunds got to do with anything? I had no intention or desire to refund the game and if I did I'd have an endless amount of other issues I could raise with it.I reported it as it was inaccurate and effectively false advertising, it's in both Valve's and CD Projekt's interests to correct such matters. I only provided the links to show an example of a games details being updated due to having the wrong flag. I could have just made my claim that was the case without any evidence but I'd rather have the information there so that next time someone searches they can find it and potentially not have to ask again themselves. or maybe someone will use the information and pass it own elsewhere when they see the question.
I'm sorry you get offended by facts and I hope you have a good holiday period.
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The differences are SO minor between full and partial that a single menu where you simply type your name is all that's required to have them be changed. It's an extreme that ultimately does little to aid in that purchasing decision.
That differentiation actually helps a lot. It's the difference between being able or not being able to play a game through Steam Link (or equivalent hardware/software) on a device with no keyboard.
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it's an extremely minor inconvenience
Maybe for you. Don't be so egocentric as to think that if you don't care about something no one else should care.
1) Wireless keyboards exist and are not expensive. Certainly less expensive than a Steam Link. And 2) If you do not have a Steam Link this becomes a non-issue.
You missed the (or equivalent hardware/software) part. That includes smartphones/tablets and smart TV's, both have the Steam Link app (and there's also other similar software, like Moonlight). Who carries a keyboard with his smartphone or tablet (can you even attach a kb to a smartphone?)? Who buys a keyboard for his Smart TV?
This issue you bring up is not even clearly stated as a result of the designation.
I'm not sure what do you mean here. The reason Valve added this differentiation between full and partial controller support is exactly because of this.
Being accurate about this is important, otherwise the tags become useless.
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All of this because you can't type your name into a game with a gamepad. This is all that is needed to change the designation/tag from Full to partial. Absolutely useless
I've already explained why it isn't useless. Can you tell me why you're against it? How it affects you that games that can't be played 100% with a gamepad can't have the Full Controller Support tag? If all you care is gamepad support but not necessarily 100%, there's the partial support tag already there for you.
and partial means somewhere in between full and none. Which can range from as little as not being able to enter your name to almost no support. Making it effectively a useless designation.
Yet what you want is making the full controller support tag useless, too. At least now there's a clear line that marks when a game can have full controller tag. You think removing that clear line is better how?
I assume you're talking about "Remote play on TV" tag?
No, I'm talking about what I exactly said: Steam Link. It does exactly the same the Steam Link hardware does, which was discontinued precisely because there was no need for it anymore when you can just use the app instead. Android version, Samsung TV version, and I guess other smart TV manufacturers have it on their store, too.
The fact that this conversation has gone on so long about something that can discerned with a single google search and subsequently made easy, is baffling.
So lets remove the tag system entirely. They're all useless, you can use google.
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I've already stated, numerous times that Full controller support means something and is useful.
but you said:
Full controller support has this incredibly small, minute and altogether nearly meaningless definition juxtaposed to 'partial' controller support.
Make up your mind. That's what you previously said about the official Valve's definition of full controller support.
You also said: "All of this because you can't type your name into a game with a gamepad. This is all that is needed to change the designation/tag from Full to partial. Absolutely useless."
I interpret from that that you want "full controller support" to also include games that can't be used 100% of the time only with a gamepad, like having to enter a name with keyboard, because the current definition is useless. Isn't that what you meant? (really, maybe I misunderstood you there).
So it is useful or not, having full controller support mean "you can use exclusively your gamepad starting from the moment you hit play on Steam"? If your answer now is yes, then I don't understand why you answered me with "I disagree" to my first post.
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To sum it up, you had some silly theory about controller tags, got proven wrong and got butthurt. You could just admit you were wrong with your "it only supports like all the major controllers and anything that has buttons, but only those"...
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That is exactly what you said, you're the one missing the point here.
You have also repeatedly claimed that you are an opposite of pedantic, which include: anti-intellectual, lowbrow, nonintellectual, philistine, ignorant, illiterate, uneducated, unlettered, unread, uncultivated, uncultured. So which one of these is it?
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It doesn't change in any way no matter how many times I read it. You're arguing against people using words correctly because your 2 cents is that words can be used for any meaning whatsoever. And you have provided absolutely no information of any value to this conversation.
You should win an award for illiteracy. Absolute epitome of illiteracy. I'm actually baffled. Astonished, really. The level to which you have gone is unprecedented. I'm actually stunned.
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You had a silly theory, people told you how things really are and you started personally attacking the pedants who can actually use words for what they mean. Where do you see anything else happening here? Where is this valuable information you have provided hiding? Can you point me to even one bit of it?
My concern isn't involved in any way or form with this so how could you know where it's placed? If you can't accept reality that's not my problem either.
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You start with nonsense, continue with nonsense and argue nonsense against logic, yes hopefully you are done with that. "It's not useful to me because I always play with a keyboard" yeah how self-centered and arrogant can your nonsense get?
If I want to play a game from my sofa with only the controller without having to buy some shitty wireless keyboard, that's what I want to do even if you can't afford a TV and a sofa.
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I always am and that doesn't concern me either. I'm just pointing out that you were the one picking a fight over pedantic reasons and using personal attacks on others to prove that you're wrong. If you had skipped that part and figured out what words mean together there would have been no pedantic fight. So don't start what you don't mean to finish, listen to what others are saying and try to find a mutual understanding.
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At least you might have learned the lesson that not everyone plays games with the exact same setting as you so they have different needs and wants, which is why it's important that we aim to improve the accuracy of tags while understanding what they really mean.
I don't have any Steam links or whatever crappy streaming hardware, I have a huge ass TV and a sofa that I like to play from with just the controller because I don't want any crappy wireless keyboards cluttering the table. So surprisingly the tags might be very meaningful to me when used right even if you didn't figure out this scenario because of your limited world view. Just like there can be dozens of other reasons to want something even if you don't.
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The conversation still hasn't changed in any way from what is has always been. You just seemed to have different ideas about it from everyone else and then used weak personal attacks trying to force your ideas on others instead of accepting a common reality. A simple misunderstanding is easily fixed without those personal attacks.
You didn't say which opposite of pedantic you want to be? Since you oppose using actual meaning of words my bet is still on illiterate.
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Still you? Or did you mean me using your own words against you? Please explain how the quote below is just using the word to describe something? The way you tried to make it sound like an insult really tells more about you and your lowbrow ignorance.
You should win an award for illiteracy. Absolute epitome of illiteracy. I'm actually baffled. Astonished, really. The level to which you have gone is unprecedented. I'm actually stunned.
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Yes because it's one of the opposites of pedantry and you didn't choose the one you meant when I asked, so I just picked the one I thought would be most fitting. Feel free to choose another one, but it doesn't change that every other word was yours. So if you figured out that I'm rude when using your own words against you, then could that mean that you were the rude one to begin with?
I'm not mispresenting anything at all. Maybe you should work on your own presentation instead of being rude to others, for better communication? There are already 3 people who have told you that your presentation of maybe PS4 controller was completely useless and then you started to cry pedant! pedant! and about refunds and big pictures to divert the attention from your own mistakes.
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Yes my misreading skills are very poor, about that I have to agree with you. Maybe it's still you that has miswritten the conversation? Just work on your presentation more if you want to communicate with others in a friendly manner and share information instead of just being rude to everyone who doesn't share the same misuse of words with you.
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Did I go beyond really? So what you said was just rude and when I said the almost exact same thing back to you it suddenly turned into an incredibly rude personal attack? I just gave you back what you brought to the table yourself. It's an extremely minor inconvenience to me, which I can handle fine with my wired keyboard.
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My initial post was such to aid the creator of this thread giving my anecdotal "2 cents" about my findings through 8 years of playing games on the Steam platform
Why give them anecdotal findings when there are facts.
As the first user showed their report of Cyberpunk's misreporting of controller functionality not being able to type your name as its only transgression
I said no such thing. Cyberpunk was changed due to it having a launcher between launching and entering the game. Name input was the reason Skyrim is only partial.
a game might be tagged with it, but as shown in this very conversation, it might not be true.
Given I've reported tags for inaccuracy I'm obviously well aware of this. I wasn't trying to debate this just to give the actual meanings of those tags.
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Assassin's Creed 2 has flawless controller support, and I'd expect the same from the other titles of the series as every single game got released to consoles and PC (supporting Xbox controllers and/or other versions through external support).
I'm fairly sure that developers do all the tagging of the games in the store, and as they are, may be quite inaccurate, sadly.
edit: I may be wrong so don't rely 100% on me, but AC is one of the series where I do expect 100% controller support regardless if stated or not.
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It depends on the game. If you're unsure, you are probably better off asking in the discussion section for the game you are considering buying.
I've ran into problems with one popular game on Mac where the devs insisted it works, and 100s of mac users in the discussions and on Reddit said it never has and probably never will work. I would have refunded if I hadn't bought it via Humble. lol. Always ask the individual game's community. =)
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Who buys a mac as a gaming platform? :P
You know, when I bought my current mac back in 2014, I didn't even have a steam account. :P I've heard all the quips, but while gaming is a nice past-time, it was not my number 1 hobby when I didn't have persistent back issues that now prevent me doing the things I love most.
But, even if I had a steam account back then, I'd have still bought a mac for my job. So... yeah, I'd do it again. XD
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The vast majority of times when a game says full controller support that is accurate (on PC, not necessarily other systems), but the reverse is not necessarily true. Many older games in particular (pre-dating the tags existence?) don't properly list controller support, as well as other features that they might have, even though those game has them
In the end, as others have said, this is up to the developers to list, and many developers have not gone back and changed tags on older games, even if the functions that are listed are now broken. You can't for an example trust multiplayer tags on older games, because they might have been using a service such as gamespy or other non-steam services for their matchmaking.
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I kinda have to set the goal high. I am sure by setting target to these 100+ is the only way for me to reach even close to 50. Otherwise I'll always keep thinking, oh there is enough time in the year to clear the backlog. hahahaha.
You know, those procrastinator types. :)
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if its on console it got controller support
but what controller works can vary
i look at PCgamingwiki for this kind of data
you can also use other apps to use controller check here
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As Fnord noted already, you're generally fine regardless of what the game states for controller support.
As additional notes:
1. "Full Controller Support" may not apply to all controllers or the games may have other quirks when utilizing controllers that you wouldn't necessarily expect (for example, I've had games that didn't rebind mouse camera movement over to the joysticks- strictly speaking, you didn't NEED that to play the games in question but, uh.. yeah, it helped) .
As an example of the first matter, a Dualshock or Xbox controller may work fine, while the other may have severe optimization issues. For instance, Rocket League had tons of issues with xbox controllers early on but, given that it initially was only available on PS4 as far as consoles went, there's at least a clear association as to why that was the case. Such issues were resolved as Rocket League moved to support more consoles, likely due to such progression.
2. Games that have other issues or restrictions (especially as far as input customization or options go, such as lacking key rebinding or having support only for one of keyboard or mouse) will generally have issues with controller support, as will older games.
Likewise, you'll run into issues more often with genres outside of those associated with controllers (eg, TPS, FPS, Action-Adventure, Racing, Fighting, Platforming) such as strategy games, but I don't imagine you'd at all be wanting controllers for those to begin with.
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Hi
I wanted to know how accurate the steam description is on the controller support on different games. For example, Assassin's Creed Revelations and Black Flag both do not list Partial or Full Controller support on their store page. Does that mean these games are only playable using Mouse/Keypad?
Or is it possible that Steam does not have that info for all the games?
Thanks for the info in advance.
EDIT - 12/25 10PM CST: Thanks a lot for the spirited and at some time argumentative discussion. It seems like AC games have historically continued to have controlled support, so I will check out Revelations and Black Flag. As for other games in my library they just have to wait for their chance to be played, if that ever comes.
For the backlog clearers, I have a huge one. that I have started working on slowly now. I have selected about 115 games to go through by the end of 2021. I guess 117 now as these two AC games were suspect for controller.
Final Edit before closing the thread. I guess the info in the last edit is still true. Just an update on the backlog. I have actually cleared out 4 games and am already working on another 4-5 at the same time. GOOD TIMES :)
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