the old "Steam is learning about..." yadda:

Steam is still learning about this downloadable content / game.

Until more customers have interacted with it, some features will be restricted:

  • Trading cards will not be available and the number of achievements is limited
  • Achievements won't contribute to global achievement count, and cannot be shown in a Steam Profile's Achievement
  • Items cannot be shown in a Steam Profile's Item Showcase or Items for Trade Showcase
  • The DLC/game itself won't contribute to an account's library count, and cannot be shown in a Steam Profile's Game Collector

is now:

Profile Features Limited

This game is not currently eligible to appear in certain showcases on your Steam Profile, and does not contribute to global Achievement or game collector counts.

does anybody knows if it's just a rephrasing for more clarity (as it seems to me, googled a bit and can't find any news) or something actually -and hopefully- changed?

thank you!

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If you hover over the question mark behind it, it still shows the old text. So it seems to be rephrasing/shortening.

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i see the new one... :D

changes are still going on, i guess

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German though, but:

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Seems like some of them have cards enabled now, so maybe it did changed.

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...and they're still "Profile Features Limited"?

found nothing new, here. ty!

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Seems all the same bar trading cards. But those were the very first exploits they made this stuff for in the first place! So I expect just an oversight in text, not a feature change.

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I've noticed "RaChart Enhancer" extension now can see those games and mark them accordingly in tables.

Maybe it is because of this change or perhaps RaChart has been updated?

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really hope is the first you've said: a change!

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I think it always worked if you have configured your API key and enabled "steam store method" in the RaChart settings.

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what do you mean... no change?
:(

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Thank you. It could be that - because I had to re-install it the other day. And I did check the "steam store method".

It only shows I've been missing out for so long ...

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Well, if the rewording is accurate that means Valve decided to let the trading card farming back in.
As well as part of the achievement spam, if they removed the limit on the number of achievements again.

Maybe it's their new strategy to make more money for no effort off of their store ?

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According to the Steamworks SDK it's still business as usual. I can't post stuff from the Steamworks official group, but there's a post stating this terminology is due to the profile feature change that happened June 2018.

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that's the page, thank you! (searched for it with no luck)

juicy imo bits:

  • "We will automatically check whether your game qualifies several times per day"
  • "Our confidence metric is based on sales and player engagement figures. We do not include data from user reviews, wishlists, total playtime, or any other judgment of the "quality" of the game. We're simply looking for a broad player base."
  • "In general this mainly affects games whose only value is in profile features (trading cards, emoticons, etc)"

(all italic is mine, except that "only")

really thought reviews, wishlists and playtime were taken into account...
is just a sensation, a feeling, i have no real data for this, but it seems to me that that "several times per day" is actually true. i often try "steam is learning" games and a few of them changed their status in just one day. others are still "limited" several months after release.

now we just have to know if this is just a simpler terminology ("steam is learning..." wasn't the best, imo :P looks, like, the *guy is little dumb, sorry!") or if something really, actually changed.

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Part of me wonders if flooding your forum with bots would trick the system, seeing as that probably falls under player engagement.
It'd be nice if Steam had less of this cryptic algorithm stuff. Makes in-client advertising so painful I'd never want to do it for a big project.

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advertising so painful

that's something Steam really should "care" more of ... like, a ton more.

a big, huge advantage that only Steam has, that maybe he's really "still learning" :D

that said, your dev point of view is really appreciated.

(that part of you: i have a very similar, curious part ... but wanted to try something here on SG, like a bunch of us activating and engaging with the xy "steam is learning" game... :D)

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"In general this mainly affects games whose only value is in profile features (trading cards, emoticons, etc)"

Such bs. With how much crap floods Steam plenty of actual games with legit value get caught up in it. If only Steam curated their store keeping assetflips and scams out from the get-go...

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So your game still have profile limited too till now?

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My game released in 2017 and wasn't subject to these rules due to the grandfather clause
I'm not sure what the exact requirements are to remove the 'profile features limited' tag or even if they are exact (could be generated on a case-by-case basis)

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It's still definitely jacking things up in Steamgifts, so that's business as usual. :D

If there's one thing that I wish would change information-wise sooner than later, it's to stop basing the feedback count and ratios only on licenses of the game bought through the Steam store. You see crap games go positive because the author uses their fake accounts and buys a couple copies of their own game on the Steam store and leaves positive feedback while there are 50 negative feedbacks that all came from bundles, so it's inaccurate. You see games marked as negative because the three people who bought it on the store hated it, but there may be a ton of people who got the thing in a bundle who liked it. The inaccuracy makes me crazy. Feedback is feedback is feedback. I don't much care about the source of the license key. People can create fake reviews from any perspective...source of the key doesn't make any difference.
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tangent

we <3 you, grez. so. much.

i always thought that, if my review "comes" from a "bundled/very cheap key" (positive or not), it should weight less than your Steam-purchased one. but never really thought about "the source of the key"... that's interesting (and you look, like, the very right person to talk about it :P)

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Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with it being worth, say, half, or being marked as purchased from outside Steam (I mean, they do that on Amazon, but still allow you to provide a review...information is valuable and helps them place products with people, regardless of whether or not the reviewer bought it from Amazon)...but the fact that reviews for keys sourced elsewhere literally do not count at all is kind of ridiculous. It doesn't reflect the actual community perspective of a game and allows for skewing whenever a game is new or has a low number of reviews.

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"World of Reviews" is a pretty long story... in general, also. not only on Steam, i mean.

tho, i usually repeat what Spazfrag once told me, to look first at negative reviews. i think is valid, as tip!

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You see crap games go positive because the author uses their fake accounts and buys a couple copies of their own game on the Steam store and leaves positive feedback while there are 50 negative feedbacks that all came from bundles, so it's inaccurate.

Still better system compared to one where author uses keygenerator and gives a couple hundred copies of their own game and leaves positive feedback :)

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They do this anyway. They set up fake accounts (same scenario as keygen, because you can only have 1 review per account), then buy the game on the Steam store, and then most of the money they spent goes back to them anyway. Small investment to skew the review numbers. The current system doesn't prevent this from happening at all.

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Small Investment that Valve can follow a little bit (by seeing IP numbers and who is buying games) vs free system with completely no way to check if the key way bought on humble or "gifted" by developer...

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Oh, I agree that the current system most definitely benefits Valve in some way...it just doesn't benefit Valve's customers. 😉😎😁

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I wouldn't say it doesn't benefit customers - with "cd keys count as proper reviews", developer could create thousands of fake reviews for free.
With current system, they have to provide dozen different ways to pay for product (otherwise it's an obvious review-scam) and that's still just a dozen reviews.

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Profile Features Limited >>> Steam is still learning about this downloadable content / game
Good way to shorten it, imo.

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Interesting topic. BUMPED!

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I contacted Steam support and aswer is:
"We've recently changed the message that appears on store pages but it doesn't mean there was any change in your app's status. Just so you're clear, your game is still able to reach this confidence metric. We don't publicly share the eligibility requirements for unlocking these features, but generally, the confidence metric is based around having a significant amount of real customers buying or playing the game."

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So how about today for your game now?

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"Good gifter"... really?

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Same, still can't create cards nor backgrounds.
I still have to wait to get more customers I think.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/881130

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How about sale per day? You should contact any media outlet or influencers for your game

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Depends on the period of the year

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i'd try giving away few copies at Playing Appreciated, if i were you...

winners, there, will have a month to give your game a good try. and it's not that rare that they also write a review.

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thanks a lot, that's a really nice advice, I didn't even know about this group

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"Profile limited" is there since ages.

Based on my experience it starts with "steam is learning about" and after a few months if the game did not have enough purchase+traffic it changes to profile limited. The effect of these TAGs are actually the same.

I am not 100% sure but while the game is steam is learning about then the system checking the game if it meets the requirements for passing that stage daily 4* while on profile limited status the system now checking about it just occasionally.

A game which not released yet has steam is learning about:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1103310/Sea_Bubble/

A game was released about ~1month ago still steam is learning about:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1139140/Kimono_Girls/

A game was released 2months + a few days ago now profile limited game:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1117900/Fantasy_Maid/

So I believe it changes after 2 months of the release datum.

Not all game start with steam is learning about status anymore, if a studio/publisher had enormous revenues through steam with previous titles then their new games start without it. Because of this even some niche or smaller publisher can avoid that TAG with their new games.

EDIT: and now i realized the topic was more about the tooltip which visible while moving the cursor to the question mark icon.

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""Profile limited" is there since ages"

Yep since January apparently since the topic was created then ;)

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oh, my bad, not seen the topic creation, someone necroed and thought it is a new topic:-)

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