Some of you, yes. Others, not so much...
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Wonder if this could be (easily) implemented after Steam Sync aswell?
e.g. when I redeem the next humble monthly some days after release and I (hopefully) remember i've already entered a game of it I have to manually remove my entries, even after successfull sync...
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Only issue is with fake giveaways, but I think it should be pretty minor.
Edit: Actually I guess people also might complain that they "lost" points if they go over the 300 cap :P
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I lost some "air" today, too.
Someone else breathed it.
I'm scarred for life.
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If that were the case, they'd be scarred for life. :X
I wanted that air for later.
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Just aggressively drag them over to a nearby tree and force them to recycle the air back to you. "That was MY air, clean it up and give it back to me this instant!"
edit: also sorry for the necro, but I just had an image in my head and I had to type it out.
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Yeah, they could've been banking those points.
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Yes, I want all my precious points back, even though more than 300 points 😜
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new request: upon winning reset point value to 0 for a cooldown ^^
go on, hate me peeps :P
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Alternate variant: reset to zero for a duration of 1 min * point value of GA won... so users that win "the good shit" wait longer. now i can be on the hate train too lol
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oh that's a good one ^^ i like. i had said 24hours myself when i got a bit more serious about it, but that's not bad at all. xD
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Not really concerned about the points but now I have to keep track of every single non-public giveaway I enter in case a public one does end up falling through for some reason. Triggering removals on received rather than won would have been much better for the user.
Additionally how does this work with different subs?
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Good thing the delivery rate seems to be pretty stabilised over 98% to avoid potentially incredibly disappointed winners with undelivered keys.
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Is the delivery rate really that high or is it because it is common now to allow the creator to delete the giveaway instead of leaving it marked as not received. I don't think deleted giveaways will count in that stat.
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Good question. Maybe support knows how many delete requests were issued after giveaways ended.
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It has nothing to do with this thread anyway. If a giveaway is deleted before it ends, this means you don't end up winning it so removing other entries shouldn't occur.
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they were'nt meaning before it ends. they mean the gifter got approval from the winner for deletion because of a mistake or bad key. which is true and happens, however if it's really that big of an issue for them.. don't approve the deletion.
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Why would they approve the deletion if the giveaway is fake?
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well if one believes it to be a genuine accident rather then a fake, they may approve a removal to keep a good gifters feedback nice and clean. but yeah, if it's an intentional fake then why on earth approve? or even if it is a mistake you do not have to give permission.
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because people are nice and not always it's intended for GA to be fake. People trade for key and genuinely intents to make a real GA, but when GA winner activates the key it says it's duplicate or invalid. If GA creator has no money to buy a new copy a lot of people will understand and agree for GA deletion, because they are simply nice folks.
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They are not fake giveaways. At least I don't see them as they are.
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i totally agree in my eyes too. but people here are just lumping it all together into the word "fake" not genuinely meaning each and everyone of them are actually fake.
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My only concern is if you win a game and the original gifter doesn't follow through. I'd guess that's probably less than 10% of cases maximum, but I still think this feature is "worth it". If I could make it magically work my way, I'd have it remove entries when marked as received and reroll additional wins automatically, though this has the matter of exposed keys, since malevolent or poorly informed people might snag multiple keys and make the later giveaways invalid due to abuse, which would be really unfortunate.
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Luckily, the delivery rate has been over 98% for over two years now.
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Gifts are received 99.5% of the time. Yes, there's a tiny chance you would have previously won two gifts for the same game, and then the first gift turned out to be not received, while the second gift was received.
However, that second gift doesn't vanish into thin air. Someone is still receiving that gift. That means you lose a small chance of the above occurring, but you also have a higher chance of winning a giveaway when another user's entries are automatically removed. In the end, it's equal, you're not going to win or lose more often with this update.
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There is no higher chance to win since the accidental multiple-win GA will be reroll anyway... then we just lose chance in the case of fake GA
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Think about it this way. There are two giveaways for Skyrim. You and I are the only two entries into each of these giveaways. They end at the same time, and we'll say the first giveaway is fake, and the second giveaway is a legitimate copy of the game.
Before this update...
- You win the first fake giveaway, and have a 50% chance of winning the second real giveaway.
- I win the first fake giveaway, and you have a 50% chance of winning the second real giveaway.
After this update...
- You win the first fake giveaway, and have a 0% chance of winning the second real giveaway.
- I win the first fake giveaway, and you have a 100% chance of winning the second real giveaway.
In the first situation, you have a 50% chance of receiving Skyrim. In the second situation, you have a 50% chance of receiving Skyrim.
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And now with this situation :
if we both enter a public GA with 2 entry and you enter a private GA with only 1 entry
Before this update...
You win the first fake giveaway, and have a 100% chance of winning the second real giveaway.
I win the first fake giveaway, and you have a 100% chance of winning the second real giveaway.After this update...
You win the first fake giveaway, and have a 0% chance of winning the second real giveaway.
I win the first fake giveaway, and you have a 100% chance of winning the second real giveaway.You lose 50% of chance after this update.
Your logic work only if everybody enter both GA and it's never the case.
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No, the only reason that works is because your second giveaway now has literally 0 entries. That almost never happens and if it did, the creator could just create a new giveaway for the same game.
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You can think of it with 3 entry in the first GA and 2 in the second if you want.... you lose 16% if you're the only one to enter both, 8% if 2 enter both... you still lose chance.
Even with more entry, if there isn't all the same people in both you lose chance.
Edit: Edit 2: Need more time to think about it but anyway i think about it you still lose chance
Edit 3: Ok, i think that you lose the chance if all the people of the second GA didn't enter the first GA
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What about reentering still open giveaways after realizing the first one was a fake? That would be trivial for public giveaways, but will be troublesome for private giveaways.
As mentioned elsewhere, greying out the giveaways on your list which will be completely removed when you click "gift received" seems like a good solution. Then this new feature will work perfectly.
Or an option to opt-out of this if you know what you are doing. While most users would have this on by default.
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But how are the odds for bigger games? As I imagine most of the fake giveaways are from those, very little reason to create a fake giveaway from a game that is available for cheap. Although I imagine it's still not that high.
The biggest issue would be winning a fake giveaway while there where other private or group giveaways with very good odds, while it's true that you didn't have a guaranteed win missing that chance and ending with a fake giveaway would suck.
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Huh, for some reason I thought the not received rate was higher. It would still suck to win and then have the winner delete the giveaway, but if the odds are that good, it's probably only going to come up a couple times a month at that rate, perhaps even less.
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That's the situation that always aggravates me.
"Yay! I won!"
"Oh,... Sorry... Wrong game. I'll have to delete."
Big problem solved, small problem added. I suppose it's a positive, overall, though.
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Agreed; overall I think this is better than having support always drowning in tickets.
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Now I want to make a giveaway without a description for a highly wanted/somewhat more expensive game with my alt account (which, for the record, is not currently registered on this site as that goes against the ToS) just to see the comments and the reaction of the winner. :P
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I know this is a possibility that could happen, but it's better like this, looking at the number of the tickets sent because people win two times the same game in a short span of time.
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that's only including the ones that reported themselves tho for re-roll too, not even taking into consideration all the people that either regifted or traded off their 2nd win.
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how does this work with fake giveaways?
well, bots will be happy now, they can enter everything and get points back <3
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Fake giveaways? What fake giveaways?
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it adds insult to injury. you win a fake ga, and also get all your entries removed from other giveaways.
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"In the end, it's equal, you're not going to win or lose more often with this update"
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If it's a fake GA you just lose chance to win other and you win nothing at all since the accidentally multiple-win GA will be reroll anyway...
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I suggest you read cg's post above (from which this quote is from) to understand the logic.
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I read it and I think I understand, but it's false.
You win nothing with this system, you just lose almost nothing but almost nothing it's not nothing ;)
(i don't really care but....)
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so just cause some entries get removed, the number of giveaways are still even and the number of sent games wont change just cause some winners get removed...
you are complaining you would loose chances to win games? whats with the others? do they have less chances now as well? if everybody wins less (cause the chances get down), who will win the rest of the giveaways?
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Seriously ?
I'm just studying how the new system works that makes you lose a chance to win in case of fake. If there is no fake no one has more or less luck. On the other hand if there is a fake, you lose a chance to win while the others get a part of the luck you lost. This system penalizes those who have the misfortune to fall on fakes.
I do not complain (I do not care) but I do not want to read that there is no loss of chance (in case you win a fake...) when there are.
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if you are entering an obvious fake wich others wont enter, you are right. if a normal giveaway gets problems, you are wrong
even in the fist case, its not a big deal^^
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What is the difference between a "obvious" fake GA and a "normal" GA who gets problems ? in both case you don't have the game and your entry in other are removed.
Don't just say i'm wrong, prove it please (i can say i'm always right without argument/proof if i want ^^ )
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´the difference is: if people wont know, its random and equal for everybody so chances wont change
but if the creator writes something like "the giveaway is for other (free) game", its obvious and most people will stay away - if you enter, your chances drops slightly...
but if you wont enter theese fake giveaways, your chances will even grow slightly cause maybe the winner has entered other giveaways of the same game as well^^
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If people dont know, its random but not equal for everybody.
Many can't enter all GA (lvl restriction, sgtool, ...etc)
You can see my example here: https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/MdggEOQ
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Many can't enter all GA (lvl restriction, sgtool, ...etc)
Yes, but in these cases, it's intentional.
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And ? you don't read ?
If someone who don't enter the 2nd GA win a "normal GA who gets problems" (a fake) GA, you win no chance but if you win the fake GA you lose chance.
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But if someone else wins the first one, your chances to win the remaining 9 just increased a tiny bit. It all evens out, even if it's at the cost of the initial person that didn't get his win.
Percentage-wise nothing really change, but it does add insult to injury to the people getting caught in it. Overall though, for the site, it's a very nice improvement. Since 99.5% of all giveaways are real, it's going to be a very small vocal minority we'll hear from soon. But that's a cost I'm willing to pay for a smoother support workload.
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It's pretty easy to figure out which giveaways your going to get removed from, it's the giveaways for games that you already won a giveaway for.
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Ah yeah, I guess that's true. I don't really have this problem and I lack imagination. I guess you could start bookmarking giveaways for high profile games where this would become a problem for you
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a) If they are already over, you wouldn't be thrown out of them. :P
b) Only the winner matters, not all people. If the winner didn't enter any other giveaways, no change will be made to those other giveaways, not for him, not for anyone else. The situation will be the same as it is today.
I agree, a personal list of auto-removed GA entries would be ideal.
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But in return, the other people will have an increased chance, just like you would have if someone else won that fake GA. So percentage wise, it doesn't matter. If anything, it increases your chances overall, because now noone will win twice. So if the first one was real, there's an increased chance of winning the second (for all remaining participants). It's better to have two people win a gift each than one person winning twice, right? Less work for support, meaning they have more time to spend on doing other tickets and less chance of scumbags regifting a second won copy.
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i didn't mean you yourself were selfish at all, just that the way to consider things is best from an outside viewpoint with no self interest in the matter.
point of view speaking was all i meant with the greater than.
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it's np at all, i should of elaborated more then just a silly 1 > 2 thing, lol. and drunk or not, you're still correct too. ^^ it does have some relevance, but those issues were clearly weighed in when CG did it since he mentioned all but the points issue in the op. (afaik)
i still hope that some of the suggestions created thruout this thread get taken into consideration to improve the system though. nothing wrong with trying to make it even better. xD
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But less than 1% of all GAs are fake. So you not only have to beat the odds of winning said fake GA, but you also have to beat the odds of it actually being fake. :) On top of that, you also have to consider that you may not even have won the other GAs anyhow (SG is a scam and you never win anything, am I right? ;) ).
So the odds of it actually affecting you is so small that it probably will never ever matter anyhow.
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Honestly though, the vast majority of "Fake" GAs seem to be GTA5
Exactly how many legit ones are usually running at a time? MAYYYYBE 1? If you're really worried there's a for sure legit one as well as one you aren't very confident in, if the legit one ends later, just don't join the questionable one... plus most times they have 7-12k entries anyway.
I see this happening as pretty long odds
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So if you win and the creator doesn't deliver you lost all your entries?
Edit: Already mentioned above.
Mully's right, bots will be laughing.
Anyway, we'll just see how it goes.
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Everytime I won something I check for posible repeatead entries on my side. If you don't check you are a prick. and now the site allows you to be a prick :(
Very bad >:(
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did u read the op fully thru?? some people occasionally sleep, idk about you.
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yeah apparently we are all supposed to be on SG 37 hours a day - wait what .... :P
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That's what clones are for, no?
What do you mean, you don't have any clones?
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let me say stupid things :/ forums are for fun. OP sent the message, the useful info is there, now is our turn to be silly, although I'm getting blacklisted a lot, welp, is the risk
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This is true from your point of view as a user of the site. It also means you can sleep at night and don't have to check the site 24/7. But cg probably implemented this mainly to reduce the amounts of rerolls anyway.
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Well, the only problem I would have with it is if a giveaway isn't legit, but that seems to happen so rarely as to be negligible compared to the obvious benefits of this new system.
10/10. I like it. Thanks, CG :)
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I'd have no issue if it was "when you mark received", but with current solution you typically can't join >that< GTA V from L0 user, or you might accidentally win fake giveaway that would void all your entries in all other giveaways.
Also since people can still enter those giveaways AFTER having their entries voided, this doesn't make any sense whatsoever, since people that are too lazy to quit will be also too lazy to hide the game before they receive it, so they'll do the same mistake regardless.
This is a bad change with many issues. Changing it to received mark would solve all of them - in current form I actually hate this change more than I like it. It has good intentions but works awfully in practice.
Edit: After second thought this issue would be solved almost entirely if we simply did that only for giveaway creators that have > 90% of received marks.
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i could say the same thing about those who are too lazy to rejoin stuff after they realize they won a fake giveaway.
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I wouldn't quit those giveaways intentionally if I won "not 100% sure" giveaway. Now I have to rejoin all those giveaways, and I'm pretty sure that I don't have to explain why it's easier to quit already-entered giveaways, rather than keeping track on giveaways you want to enter.
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well like talgably said, we've been at 98% receive rate for 2 years now.. just bookmark gta5 GAs you want to re-enter since those tend to be 50% of those not received marks and problem is practically solved.
or better yet, buy games you want that badly.
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You automatically assumed that it's an issue for me since I'm mentioning it - no, I'm actually least considered by this change and regarding my own person it's 100% positive - I don't need to do what I've been doing since ever, which is time saved.
But based on the same stats you're refering to, this means at least 2k unhappy users getting their entries voided due to winning fake giveaway each month. 25% of tickets each month is around ~2.5k, which is comparable - and there will be more now regarding "where my entries go".
Actually, how about enabling this feature if giveaway creator has > 90% delivery ratio?
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well "I wouldn't quit" kinda led me to assume something that follows it was talking about yourself, but i see what you mean now by speaking in the hypothetical "I".
that sounds to me like a beautiful trade-off, a couple people lose out on a digital roll-die at a chance at a valid copy so that several hundred people do not have to submit a ticket per month.
edit to your edit: i didn't say each and every individual on this site had a 98% sent rate, i said the site itself has a 98% receiveal rate as seen here (bottom graph)
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oh i thought u were misunderstood my comment. lol. yeah that's not a bad idea really (your 90%+ rate suggestion). people kept saying your comment i couldn't even find it and it was here the whole time. =)
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My only concern about this would be a hidden giveaway that I can't find again. (And for which I would have a better chance of winning since it's not easily found.)
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yeah, but after reading CGs comment and seeing the rate of not receiving is only 0.05% the odds of that happening as well as you winning the hidden game, are astronomically low. not gonna say it can't happen cause this site is based on chance and it certainly happens. however the advantages far outweighing that situation imo, and that's clearly how the admin saw it.
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But there are already a few suggestions here to fix the additional problem. Hopefully CG thinks a bit more additional work will be worth it too.
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there are. i like a few of them. there's no harm in trying to improve it even further. certainly agree there. ^^
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Do you join those obvious l0 gta gibs though? Not like anybody wins often a 15k entries one either-way.
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I don't, like I said this doesn't consider my person at all. But like you noticed there are those 15k entries that do.
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How many of those though also are entered in a say 10 entries gta gib where it might matter though? Well, at most 10, so it's not an issue for literally 99,9% then and the unlucky guy can still re-enter later.
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love it how gta is the benchmark game when talking about this :) darn they did a good job :)
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Can we please toggle this feature? I want to win all the copies of bad rats thats being given out :-/
serious: Toggle would be nice to have control over points. This is in weeks with alot of high point GAs (looking at you one piece) useful ^^
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"control over points" aka "storage to avoid the cap" is something I'd like to be restricted, not simplified
[personal opinion]
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Kudos for this new feature. I've always wondered if the site has that kind of functionality.
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That sounds cool good job cg! Is there are a possibility if a member gets suspended for what he/she did in the past but his/her account still counted as a rule breaker? I mean it was like 4 years something ago and I did get a suspension back in the days but there seems to be no way to deal with that:S I tried to contact the old creator of the giveaway even (one of the account of multiple win is perma banned) but seems to be no luck...
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IIRC there's no statute of limitations, but you can only be suspended for the offence once.
If you're talking about account being counted as a rule breaker for SGTools, that's a different website that cg doesn't influence.
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Yeah I know but since many people say 'I will check the winner with sgtools and will not give anything if its a rule breaker support approved etc.' it bothers me the fact that people would simply call this as a rule breaking account without knowing anything about. I dont care that much about the sgtools filters anyways but still...
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'I will check the winner with sgtools and will not give anything if its a rule breaker support approved etc.'
That's not allowed since that's a special rule and support doesn't accept special rules for giveaways.
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Yeah I know that aswell but there seems to be a wide usage of sgtools so maybe some other people maybe having the same situation as me (Its highly likely they do) can rely on that. Just pointing out the situation I wont expect much anyways:)
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Without much sugarcoating, if they didn't keep the rules then it *is* a rulebreaking account... anyways, not sending the gifts is just as much of a rulebreaking as they fight so hard, which turns into a nice pretentious rant most of the time where they confuse their morals and site's rules :)
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Yep that's quite a grave contradiction, in most of the cases they give you the gift but not even leaving you a chance to say 'Thank you' (which I normally always do) they will blacklist you:)
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Although the issue of fake giveaways is a valid concern, the positives from this change are far more significant to the well-being of this community. Great job!
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+1, fake gib problems are minuscule, being blown way out of proportion here
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cause you'll never win that game TWICE, suckas!
and I imagine those "fake" giveaways are games that are only given away once in a while and have one OR two copies going simultaneously.
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To be fair, last month there was about 550 fake giveaways compared to the stated 2012 tickets for people who already had the game. At 25% of the original problem I would not say that is minuscule without saying the original problem was also minuscule. Plus some of those tickets would have included people who purchased the game, which this did not address, nor does it completely prevent the issue of multiple wins as people can still re-enter.
That being said, I am in favor of the change.
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I was a bit unprecise: fake gib problems are minuscule related to the potential issue raised here of winning one and losing a 'winning spot' in another one for the same game due to being forcefully removed.
I'd even doubt it to have happened more than a few times over all.
Additionally people can manually re-enter gibs afterwards too, reducing potential loss chances even further.
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Ah, true. In most cases its unlikely they would have won the 2nd giveaway as well as the first, unless they are in small group or private giveaways. While re-entering can help, timing can be an issue. But from the fake winners point of view, it will always be a case of what if.
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Yes, but both are relatively rare relative to the overall number of giveaways Steamgifts hosts, so the chance that both will happen to you at the same time is extremely remote.
Additionally, fake giveaways tend to be for rarely-gifted, high-value games that attract a lot of entries (making it unlikely you'll win two at once), whereas double wins are usually for bundled games or the like which are currently being given away in large numbers (so if you want the game, you probably entered a lot of giveaways for it, and those giveaways probably don't have as many entries as eg. a GTA V giveaway, increasing the chance you'll win more than one at the same time.)
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Hey SG, I mentioned in a discussion yesterday that I was working on this feature, and I just wanted to write an announcement since it's complete. In short, when you win a game, the site will now check your other giveaway entries that are open, and remove those for the game you just won. It also works for giveaways ending at the same time. This helps to prevent you from accidentally winning a game more than once while you're sleeping, or away from the site.
FAQ
Does this happen when I win, or when I mark a gift as received?
It happens the moment you win. When users win a game more than once, it typically occurs before they even have time to visit the site. If we waited until a gift was marked as received, it would be too late in the majority of cases.
Do I get points refunded?
Yes, if any of your giveaway entries are automatically removed, we will refund the correct number of points, assuming you have less than the current maximum of 300.
Does this prevent all possibilities of winning a game more than once?
No, a user could still end up the winner of a giveaway, and then a different giveaway they entered in the past could be rerolled, causing them to have two wins for the same game. Or, a user could win a giveaway, believe they are not going to receive the gift from the giveaway creator, and start entering more giveaways for the same game, only to win again. We'll look at options to reduce these possibilities, but for now, this update covers most instances of multiple wins that we are seeing. Remember, if you ever win a game more than once, you should only redeem one copy, mark additional copies as not received, and ask those giveaway creators to request a new winner.
The main benefit of this update is the time and headaches it saves for everyone on the site. Last month we had 2,012 tickets requesting new winners because the current winners already won or purchased the game. That's nearly half of our Request New Winner tickets, or 25% of our total tickets. Overall, this is going to result in less explanations from giveaway winners, less tickets required from giveaway creators, and more sleep for the support team. It's a win-win-win.
Edit
This is now setup for rerolls as well. If a giveaway is rerolled and you're selected as the new winner, the site will remove your other giveaway entries that are currently open for the same game.
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