Yes, this is precisely why. People don't check.
.. and here was what I typed up.
People in trading threads already list their well-impersonated scammers, though!!! They even link to their profile and everything. If people who wanted to trade added them instead of accepting random invites, chances are they would never be scammed by an impersonator.
A pinned thread would barely help people because they don't even check who they are dealing with which is probably why they are being scammed by impersonators in the first place.
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Indeed, I did read it. In point 1 I was referring to other type of scams. With impersonators you barely need any proof at all, but what about the other scammers?
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really? so... you're not allowed to take screenshots in order to prove you're scammed? that's not stalking, that is called self perseverance! There is nothing protecting key traders, we have to watch each other backs. Any one that is scammed deserves the right to see the other party punished! I'm not talking about trades going wrong nor about the guy that traded an already used key ONCE. I'm talking about that disgusting asshole that "goes offline" after getting the items.
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It's not so simple. Who would do it? Professionals? Are you sure they will be able to distinguish photoshopped images from real ones? What if somebody uses an impersonating account to fake a scam? Would the detectives be able to find proof it wasn't the real person?
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No. I haven't actually tried to test it, so don't know if it would work. Let's say for some reason I hate X. I decide I want to waste half an hour to ruin his life a bit. I create a new account and set it to impersonate him. I chat with myself and pretend to scam myself, for example using an expensive key I purchased and used before. I make screenshots of the chat, screenshots of the real profile, delete the impersonating account, post all the pictures in the forum and scream I have been scammed and yes, i'm sure it was not an impersonator, I checked. Maybe photoshop something if needed. Small accurate photoshop edits will be very hard to find (if even possible). Will somebody be able to figure out it's fake? Will somebody even bother?
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You're seeing this all wrong! This is not meant for someone to recover their loss, it's meant to prevent others to suffer the same fate! I couldn't care less about the things I already lost in trade scams, what I do care about is prevent it to happen again, to me and all the legit users/traders in this community! It would be nice to when you got scammed to tell people about it and make them know that THAT USER is not someone you should trade with! And I would go further, white and blacklist users to prevent them to see your threads (I know this isn't exactly easy to do, but it's a nice thought)
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I am not sure how this invalidates my point. This is not about recovering the lost items, it's about the possibility to easily ruin a reputation of a fair but new trader. One fake report and the user without much rep will find it much harder to trade and will be more vulnerable to real scammers, since nobody will ever go first in a trade with them. In addition, there will be people who blacklist the people reported as scammers, kick them out of groups, etc. but, without a proper investigation (or possibly even with it) you can't tell if they are indeed scammers or just victims of somebody's creative anger. Multiple reports from unrelated people might be more credible, but people will rarely wait for confirmation before passing personal judgment.
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That's why the pinned thread should be moderated and only KNOWN and PROVED to be scammers and impersonators would be on it. I really don't know what is the point of telling me I'm wrong. You know I'm not! If we want a community "clean" there must be an effort to do it. And as I said, if you start by punishing impersonators that are easy to track, everything else will become easier.
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Then, what you are talking about is (or at least was) SteamRep. There is a problem for creating this on SG: it is already short on support.
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Well, that's right just in the long run. I had problem with few impersonators and most scammed people by the impersonator just didn't believe me and they wanted whatever the scammer (impersonator) promised them in trade. I always had to contact support with screenshots of chat history and the removal of negative rep took few months... but still, in the end, I spend few hours talking to scammed people, trying to explain their stupidity to them, instead of actually having fun in my free time.
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I know that, been there too! Stupidity isn't a nice word! Sometimes we only learn the hard way! Naive, maybe! But the point here is prevention, if something like that happens to you, let the "world" know who did it and maybe you can help someone else in the same situation!
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You are clearly on the wrong page in the wrong forum. I am quite sure this is against the rules (no calling out). What you are searching for already exists and it is called SteamRep. They have a huge collection of scammers with proofs. You can report scammers there and sent proofs to them. But as already other users mentioned, problem is not that it doesn't exist, problem is, that people aren't checking.
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In this specific case:
Use the appropriate avenues for support. If you have an issue with another user, submit a ticket with a user report, rather than calling them out within the community or on the forum.
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Soooooo basically you assume by reading that, that anyone could acuse someone else of being a scammer. Nop! That would be ridiculous! if anything like my suggestion could happen, it would be like reporting someone on steam, then, a team of moderators would judge if the user should be or not "pinned"!
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No worries ;) I didn't accuse you of calling out I just explained why we can't have a thread like that.
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