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Hey guys, first real discussion here as I haven't had much to say.
So I just wanted to say first off I never really got the big deal about achievements. Usually they're not that hard to complete and I don't get a lot of satisfaction for getting them. To me, they just waste time extending a game when I've already completed it.
That all changed with Spelunky...
I have never been brutalized in a video game like I have in this one. Holy hell. I mean I got straight raped, stabbed repeatedly with a poisoned claymore, mauled and butchered beyond recognition!
I died in this game 1844 TIMES before I could finally complete all those achievements. It was hell on earth but after I got that final one I felt exhilarated. I welled up in relief and emotion which was a feeling I have NEVER felt for a video game.
Spelunky is the kind of game where the character doesn't get good as you play. There is no real progession and only YOU, the player, level up after dying countless times and learning from every mistake. Its kind of remarkable and I finally got what the whole big deal about people playing Dark Souls was all about.
I'll admit I tend to avoid hard games. I mostly avoid games with a lack of story and I'm one of those guys that AVOID games with difficult tags on steam. I accidently got Spelunky thinking I could walk through it and uhh... yeah I didn't.
Anyway, so I'm very curious to know what were some of your worst experiences with achievements? What did it entail and how did you feel once you completed it (this will also be a good way for me learn about these games and to AVOID them)?
Lastly, why did I complete Spelunky even though I don't like overly difficult games? I have a sickness... I'm a completionist. We are all bound to the game until its done. I hate it...but I am it.
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"most ANNOYING achievement ever was from a visual novel, where you had to bake a cake, take a picture and send that to the devs." Oh my God hahahahahahaha That's ridiculous!
But isn't that interesting though? This is why I think achievements need to be well thought out or because I can't ever tell you the last time I felt good getting an achievement. Just relief that it's over. I felt good beating a game and getting the best ending possible cause it was a GOOD ENDING. Or as I mentioned earlier. I played through all six origins stories of dragon age origins and felt GREAT when it ended cause I felt like I developed 6 really unique characters and got the endings most suited to each of them. That felt great! Completing Spelunky? Fastest uninstall I ever did....and then they go and release Spelunky 2...great.
Then there are really annoying achievements like the ones that require you to have purchased and played the game in Early Access, so they are impossible if you get the game after full release.
that shouldn't be allowed, in my opinion
Spelunky took me 300+ hours to get 100%. The hardest for me was the no-gold, because of needing to avoid all of those flying specks of gold when stuff is accidentally blown up and all of the hidden nuggets in behind some visible barriers in the foreground. So I totally get it about that game. I am not a completionist though and so I don't go for many 100%, usually if I beat a game, then I move on, some exceptions, of course. (I am going to wait the 2 weeks for the PC release of Spelunky 2, even though I have toyed with buying it on PS4 for the last month, but finally decided against it.)
I'm still on the fence on buying it honestly. I know its gonna be great but I seriously don't want to go through that again. That's funny Speedlunky was the one that gave me the most trouble. I got it through sheer luck. Just had a good run that day. Low scorer was easier for me cause I'm generally a patient player.
Haha, I get it man, it's a heavy time/effort investment. I played Spelunky for a few hundred more hours after that, and still play it on and off now, so I know I am going to get my hours in the sequel. But yeah, I am sure there are going to be some really tough challenges ahead. Speedlunky I practiced a bunch and ultimately ran it through without too much difficulty, I ended up improving my score a few times after that too, just because I thought the speedrunning mentality completely changed the way you have to think about the game and so it felt like a totally new experience.
This is true. As a matter of fact most of the achievements in spelunky demand that you change the way you play. Which is another part of its genius I feel. As much as that game beat me down... I respect it.
I hate the achievements that require friends because yeah, my friends don't have the same games as I do most of the time.
Also, I don't like switching from Xbox to Steam and realize that I have to get all the achievements again :(
And about a hard achievement, maybe SteamWorld Dig 2's The Impossible Dream (0.6% completion rate). For that one you have to complete the game in less than 4 hours, get every secret, never die outside challenges and get a lot of gold (which requires some farming too), all in the same run. It's not hard because it's difficult (you can do it on the easiest difficulty setting), but because it requires lots of careful planning and dedication. The best route to get the achievement also involves some sequence breaking to get to a farming spot as quickly as possible. I still have to get that achievement on Steam cause I just recently got the game again :P.
Wow so that's what I have to look forward to. I plan on getting the steamworld dig series but I hope there's enough info online to get me through that achievement. I honestly hate those.
There is a big map of the entire game on steam that helps a lot with the secrets, and getting the other achievements works as a training for that one. If you liked Spelunky I'm sure that you'll enjoy both SteamWorld Dig games
Good tip. That gives me relief. As long as the community supports said game I think its okay to take the dive.
Hollow Knight and Celeste are pretty hard regarding 100% achievements completion.
Hollow Knight especially. Its doomsday.
I loved it so much! Achieved 100% naturally by playing it to the very end. There are grindy achievements but they were fun to achieve.
Wow dude grats. That is an awesome feat! Super awesome. I'm curious since you have completed such a hard achievement what is the hardest one you've ever had to do in a game?
Steel Heart and Embrace the Void in Hollow Knight were super hard but I enjoyed the challenge. Some of the XCOM 2’s were brutal - Valhalla, Immortal Commander, The Few and The Proud (I played XCOM: Enemy Unknown/Enemy Within and XCOM 2 on different platforms for thousand hours, probably). Most achievements in Crypt of the NecroDancer and Space Rangers HD: A War Apart are pretty hard to get but I managed to get all that I cared for except for those I just can’t get no matter what. Oh, and the one in Ruiner where you have to speedrun the whole game in under one hour (Dressed to Kill)! I tried it many, many times before I finally got it (and was in top 100 for glitchless speedruns at that moment some two years ago). I have also 100% in Invisible, Inc and Into the Breach, pretty hard turn-based games. I like a good challenge in games that I consider masterpieces and I tend to complete them if it’s possible.
All of the above were hard and challenging in their own way, can’t really choose one. However, I can tell which one of the hardest was also the strangest - it’s Meta-Hacking in Invisible, Inc. It blew my mind. Don’t want to spoil anything for those who might read it but the title is pretty self-explanatory. Just don’t read any guides if you’re into riddles and coding.
Oh God I have all the game you mentioned EXCEPT Space Rangers. I'm so screwed.
It's the game of my childhood. I dumped countless hours in it as well as Heroes III when I was a kid. It is one of the most innovative, fun and imaginative games of early 2000s, very dear to many Russian-speaking gamers, especially if you consider the fact that the majority of games had poor or none Russian translation back in the day and many kids in CIS countries had been playing games without fully understanding them. Too bad the game has little recognition beyond Russian-speaking gamers because you really have to speak Russian and understand Russian culture to fully appreciate it. And, well, its depiction of some sensitive social subjects is a little bit out of date which can cause some rejection nowadays.
Oh that is really interesting. So are strategy/rts games like the top genre in CIS regions or is it FPS like in the U.S? And what would you say is like the top games in the CIS Region?
Space Rangers is a mind-blowing mix of turn-based tactics / arcade space sim with trading micromanagement and heavy addition of text quests and RTS missions. It's one of a kind, really. As of the top genre...hm, can't say there is one. Well, everyone knows S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and Metro series, so maybe FPS it is...but there are games in almost every genre, although I am not fond of anything else than Space Rangers.
Cool! I have S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and metro. I'll be playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R. first so this should be interesting. Won't lie took a look at Space Rangers HD..dude it looks hard as shit.
It is hard for achievements, You can play it casually for the story without any real challenge - it has a sophisticated difficulty setting where you can disable anything you may find hard or just set it to 50% (hardest setting is 200%, and yes, it’s nightmarishly hard).
I know I saw a top 10 hardest achievements list and Space Rangers HD make the cut. So its definitely a hell of a feat you pulled off. Grats!
Thanks. xD I'm curious what list did you see exactly. My rarest achievements are predominantly Crypt of the NecroDancer's if I look through Steam's profile showcase.
It was a countdown list on youtube showcasing some of the hardest achievements. If I find it again I'll send it over. There was a bad achievement where you had to earn like 50,000 points. Doesn't sound too bad just saying it but I hear its way easier said than done.
Oh, it's the one I miss (I've told about it, I don't even understand how it could be done.) Now I have to find this video! I know only one method of completing this achievement by exploiting a glitch...I don't usually use glitches but this one I was ready to use just to find out that it was no longer possible because the glitch was patched - a rare feature for a 15 y.o. game (yeah, there is a small team patching and refreshing the gameplay to this day, can you believe it?)
Yeah I gotta see if I can find it. Wonder if it was a youtube video or an article I read. Whichever the case yeah Space Rangers was on there. That's why I immediately traded that game. I wanted no part of that. This is why I don't care that people use S.A.M. These devs are ridiculous. I have a simpler method of dealing with impossible achievements though. I just hide the games from my library so I never see how much of a failure I am.
I'm sorry to hear this. It's a unique game which was made long before this whole achievements thing. As I said earlier, you shouldn't think about it as your failure. It's developer's failure. Perfectionism can be healthy - it's all a matter of perspective and self-awareness. I'm sure you can overcome it eventually in such non-important matters if you'll try not riding along it but fighting it. Find joy in playing games without looking at statistics, they were meant to be fun! Achievements add to the challenge, nothing more. You're not obligated doing them if you don't like it. View it as a bonus, like a an additional material. You're not making every badge of every game you play, do you? I know you might not want hear advices but I was there and I know how you feel. Just remember it's not permanent, you may and you should fight it if it disturbs you.
Yeah I know that's impossible. There's a couple of games I dropped actually that I couldn't get achievements for but not on steam so far. For example Gears of War series on XBox. I gave up even trying to get most of those and settled for what I could handle. If its too ridiculous and not enough info online to help me obtain it I typically move on. Yeah its all about having fun. I shouldn't forget that.
someday i'll go back and beat godmaster...
The "Seriously" achievements in every. single.gears.of.war.game.ever... and whatever the ones are for insane campaign (is a bitch doing it solo with their idiotic companion ai's). i think one of the "seriously" cheevos from the 360 era required something like 3 mil kills or some other ridiculously large number... which they lost / reset my progress on at somewhere north of 75%... was so pissed.
been playing a lot of gears 5 the last week or two and there are parts of the campaign (on insane) where you just die repeated sometimes 20+ times just to progress one small checkpoint. or maybe i just suck at these kind of games a lot more than i used to?
I feel like they make those achievements to make fun of hardcore gamers. I don't know just the way its named and what it requires you to do.
don't really disagree. at the same time, they are still a huge pain in the ass if you are trying to 100%
I'm still trying to get a hell run on Spelunky, I'm not even gonna try to get all of the achievements
haha. honestly yeah getting to hell and completing the book should be enough for most. So its a good goal.
If I like the game enough, I'll give my best to get all the achievements; since I'm enjoying my time with it why not check out all that it has to offer? That has been long my attitude towards completionist style. But with getting closer to my 30s and with diminishing patience, time and energy, I started to struggle a lot with achieving %100s and getting platinums.
Recently for months upon months I've been trying to get all the achievements in MGS V but have been failing to do so miserably. Going from point A to B to C to D between the empty lands of Afghanistan and Africa, hitting the same enemy camp for the 500 time, killing the same enemy tank unit for the 100th and collecting animals and blueprints here and there just to tick artifical boxes in the never ending objective list has gotten to me. I was frustrated and uninstalled the game twice and reinstalled it subsequently because I didn't want to give up but last week I just couldn't take it anymore and decided to call it quits. And I don't think I'll be coming back to it this time, it's just way too tedious.
So, for me achievements that are tied to massive challanges are alright and I don't mind grinding that much. But when achievements require you to do the repetitive tasks for about 100 hours, I just can't handle it anymore. The tedium of it all is truly unsurpassed. And also achievements that have you grind online for hours, especially when said online has been dead for quite some time. AC Black Flag wanted you to reach Level 55 on multiplayer which took about 40-50 hours like 7 years ago. Good luck doing that nowadays.
You are right man some achievements are ridiculous. I'll be honest I've never actually done grindy achievements since I haven't played most of those games that had them. The only one I can think of is borderlands and torchlight 2 but both got dropped for multiplayer reasons. I'm really not looking forward to getting to that point especially with a game I really love. Cuz I hate grindy stuff.
So I love achievements, but I don't bother achievement hunting on some games because they have such ridiculous ones. You know, the grind-intensive ones (kill 1 million enemies!) or ones that just require some very specific circumstances.
The experience that stands out for me, however, was from D:OS 2. I'd played the first Divinity Original Sin and 100% completed it which I was proud of because it was a long RPG with quite a few achievements to unlock. Got to D:OS 2 and although I have put in 230 hours into playing it, I still don't have 100% completion. Why? Because it requires you to play complete playthroughs of all 6 of the pregen characters. Yep, 6 different playthroughs of a 100+ hour RPG. I love the game, but no way am I doing that.
The absolute most annoying games, however, are the ones that include an achievement for being a Kickstarter backer. There's absolutely no way to get those achievements unless you backed the game originally. I've spent too much time growling at a 95% completion score, knowing I will never get up to 100% =)
I heard about those kickstarter achievements. That is ridiculous. I'd love to know what they are if you know any of them so I can AVOID them. Divinity is awesome. Actually that beat game with 6 pregen characters thing is something I'd see myself doing even if that achievement existed or not. I did it in Dragon Age Origins and there was no achievement for that. Its a huge time waster though when they are so many games to play out there. Sometimes though some games just hit your sweet spot real good and you wanna experience it over and over so I'm KINDA looking forward to that one. Divinity is a stellar series.
Oh yeah, I love Divinity and I really appreciate Larian as a developer; they are really generous to their customers and don't try to nickle and dime us. I'm really looking forward to their Baldur's Gate 3. I've played DA:O quite a few times too, although that is a considerably shorter game than D:OS 2 =)
As for the kickstarter achievement, I know Pillars of Eternity has one. That's why I never went back to mop up the final difficulty achievements for that game. Iirc, its sequel POE: Deadfire doesn't have such an achievement. However, I played that on GOG where uncompleted achievements aren't as easy to see. FWIW, POE is a fun series if you like isometric RPGs, well worth playing even if you can't 100% them.
Is Divinity really long? I have the first but not the second. What would you say is the average playtime for a single playthrough? I have pillars of eternity. I actually bought it and all the DLC. I was hoping to play baldur's gate before going into pillars but I am not happy about that achievement thing. At all. I wish there was a way to disable achievements. I'm gonna look on the forum to see if there's a way to obtain it.
D:OS 2 is not quite twice the length of the first Divinity I would say. The first Divinity took me around 60 hours to do a complete playthrough (Main + all side quests) and another hour or two to do a speedrun on the hardest difficulty for the final achievements (my total time played in 67 hours). To do a complete run of the sequel will take you 100+ hours; getting all the achievements will take several playthroughs, although if you speedrun those subsequent playthroughs it won't add too substantially to your time (my total time is 230 hours but that is with one complete run, and several partial runs).
If you look at HLTB's average times, they say this:
Interesting. Think I'll hold off on this series for a while. I have some older games I wanna get through. Thanks for the info!
I'm a completionist so I know the frustration of getting those hard achievements. Funny but there were a lot of achievements that I found really difficult and felt kinda proud after I've done them but I can't really think of anything that was that bad. Like others, I hate achievements that are unreasonably grindy (like getting 1 million kills), I hate speedrunning and hate the ones that require RNG. Some games and achievements that come to mind:
Also, I haven't tried it but heard Greece Lightning in Titan Quest is also really bad.
Just shaking my head at those killing floor achievements. Greece Lightning seems more annoying than hard. I don't know. I'm starting to really appreciate Spelunky's achievements after seeing this list.
The problem with Greece Lightning is that you have to complete the game 3 times and if you have the Ragnarök DLC you have to do that too. (Well, of course you can disable the DLC in you library.) Since you won't have time to farm XP or equipment you'll have to find the gear you want to use with other characters first (which you can share in a special chest) and choose a class / build that you're good enough with to beat the game on legendary even if you're underleveled. I guess if you are done with the preparation the 20 hour run itself is not that hard.
Sigh.... and you know I was so pumped for diablo 4... i cant imagine what the nonsense blizzard has there players doing. I still want it though but ARPGs are so nighmarish!
Finishing Heroic mode in the original Hard Reset (where you couldn't dash) was extremely difficult and enduring, all the checkpoints are removed except the ones at the beginning of the level and it is on the highest difficulty, honestly it took me 25-30 hours to get.
Also completing New York minute Hardcore in Max Payne 3 where you have to do the whole game in one sitting without dying took me many, many tries, and a lot of practice of certain sections as you have to be mentally prepared for every single combat encounter in the game. Not to mention how long it took to find enough people to boost the multiplayer achievements.
Dunwall City trials achievements in Dishonored 1 and the tactical Challenges in Vanquish are also burned in my memory.
I haven't played Spelunky but it sounds like you went through one of those experiences where you're just so desperate to prove to yourself you can do it. Congratulations, it's a personal sense of satisfaction you will carry with you :)
Spelunky was extremely tough (unless you're EXCELLENT at platformers) but damn from most of the posts I've read on here there are so much more difficult challenges. I was only scratching the surface.
I DID see the Max Payne 3 achievement you're talking about and I remember saying to myself "yep...I'm gonna get that game" haha. Congrats on that man. Getting certain achievements should definitely put people on some kind of list, a personal shoutout from the devs or some in-game item you should show off. Seriously. Just the satisfaction of doing it isn't enough any more. Shit is too damn hard!