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i have all but hib2 and there have been a total of something like 5 humble keys that gave you a single game so far. basically that only happens when there's just one game in a bonus like there is now with dustforce.
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Look harder. Two people being able to access a game that was paid for only once. Exploiting Humble Bundle's trust and doing exactly what they ask you not to do.
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nope, still dont see the problem.... I'm not as howly as the pope you know. Apparently alot of people on this site are lolz. Btw, they are also selling more then 100k BTW bundles atm, like if they care for those 20-100 making a steam giveaway for it. Not a big fuzz
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With this kind of a mind setup, do you consider pirating a commercially successful game (such as, say, Borderlands) as "not a problem"? Where do you draw the line? When you explicitly have to break some DRM? Is this kind of attitude the reason why publishers think DRM is necessary? And if you think piracy is not a problem, then why are you on this site in the first place, when you could be torrenting the games instead? That way, you would at least leave more chances to people who don't condone piracy. Am I asking too many questions?
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euhm!? I DONT see giving away a steam key you legally bought on the Hib sales = piracy. If they say you can't give away the key.... that's the same as telling people they can't lie. Cuz it's written in the law.... I have my own opinion and I dont agree with everything people say/tell me.
1) there is my line, no piracy involved here
2) read above
3) This kind of attitude has made publishers a good profit, cuz I'm buying a frakking lot of games, and not only indie bundles
4) you made the assumption piracy is not a problem, that's totally not my point
5) you dont ask too many questions, but some are silly cuz they are made of your own assumptions....
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If you're reasoning for the profit of the developers, then giving away the BTA game might not actually change anything. Not everyone who won the BTA game would have intended to buy the bundle before winning the BTA game. As far as I know, we can't estimate a potential profit loss from this situation.
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If you're reasoning for the profit of the developers
I'm not.
I'm reasoning "Two people being able to access a game that was paid for only once. Exploiting Humble Bundle's trust and doing exactly what they ask you not to do.", exactly as it says on the tin.
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no he is not saying that they download and play the game he is saying that the humble bundle deal involved offering access to several games to one person by various means (download, steam, earlier desura)
by giving away the steam key, now two people have access to the game which is in violation to the humble bundles terms.
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That's indeed a point you are right. but consider this:
1) Developers are making alot of money
2) Charity is making alot of money
3) SG is getting extra giveaways
I don't see any negative thing about "breaking" their TOS (which apparently is making me a huge pirate, since I'm always trading leftover keys).
Really, chill out abit. It's all positive here!
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Well same problem with IndieRoyale keys it seems...
I can see the problem with this though since Dustforce costs $10.00 on Steam, but they only bought the bundle for about $6.
But if you think about it... will someone really try to exploit the Humble Bundle by saving $4 and giving it away on this site? I don't think anyone's trying to exploit it.
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I dont see a problem. The user is paying for the key in the first place.. .. if he already had the game, he already paid the company. What is wrong with giving the key away? Specially here? There keys are not being sold for profit. THey are being given away. And (in theory) the only people that can get the keys DONT already have the game here, and are supposed to activate it right away. .. So theres no unused keys, and everyone is paid. I dont see a problem..
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I would say the problem is of a legal kind and not the ethical kind.
It does not really matter if you paid for them or not. It only matters what the terms of the agreement which allowed you to get the item were. (and typically this agreement includes payment)
And very very likely they forbid sharing of those keys.
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It's entirely a problem of the ethical kind. Those terms of service / agreements aren't legally binding.
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I didn't phrase that very well, and I'm also no lawyer so in hindsight could very well be wrong. However, in this case, I believe it becomes a matter of ownership and the user is entitled to trade/resell as he so wishes. Were a matter of this variety to go to court, I believe a precedent has been set that would see the court fall on the side of the user (the person trading/reselling).
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Almost, but not exactly. Right until they start a download of the DRM-free version, giving away the Steam key is only an ethical problem (transferring the "ownership" despite promising not to, i.e. "I agreed to the HIB terms and then betrayed their trust"). The moment they start downloading, it becomes a clear case of legal problem called piracy (duplicating the game).
With that said, nobody said that unethical people cannot get punished in some way. You can't be imprisoned or fined for breaking a non-legally-binding contract, but you can definitely be mocked, ridiculed or prevented from entering giveaways.
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I'm not convinced - I don't really see how this is any different to downloading the DRM-free version AND using the Steam key for yourself. Does it really matter which account the key gets activated on? This whole area seems a little... "fuzzy" to me, for want of a different word.
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Hmm, not entirely sure how to reply now. I feel like you're asking about something so simple and obvious that I don't know how I should support the "one user -- one purchase" view other than "it just makes sense, buying and using software works that way". Otherwise, what would prevent humanity from buying a single copy of all programs ever only once, and then letting everyone use it (at any time and from their own homes, no less)?
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I'd say it's only a problem if they download and play after giving away. They're free to play beforehand, then delete the game and give away the steam key. To me that's no different than me playing a game on a console then giving the disc away to a friend afterwards.
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You don't pay for the keys, you pay for the games and if you give the key here as giveaway away they make profit by earning contributor points. When you give the key away you still have the DRM-free version, so they have still the game. You pay for getting the games for yourself and not to give away (and make profit here). And I don't think most of the people are giving the game away because they already have it.
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contrib points are not money. Theres no financial gain.
Also, Since when is Steamgifts the enforcing powers to all contracts of games? If they ban this game for giveaway, thats their decision. But why should they care? .. If you are to report someone.. if that gets you off, shouldnt you report them to HB? And not SG Admins?
On top of that.. keeping a copy of DRM-Free .. although unetheical, shouldnt even be crossing anyones mind. We can pirate any of these games.. Any of them. So why go to the trouble of BUYING a game, ... twice.. only to give it away? ... WHen if it was about keeping a copy of themselves in teh first place.. just pirate the damn thing..
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I...wow....really? Why do you buy games anyway? You buy them to play and make sure that the hardwork of the many men and women who spent large amounts of time on designing a game for your enjoyment did not go to waste. Also the whole point of SG is to giveaway games, so buying it twice is....obvious?
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All those keys are not allowed by the Humble Tip. :c
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