Absolutely agree. I hate the leaders that have taken us to war. We must not hate the people.
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I agree too, we are just little people and all this is like a big machine that overtakes us whatever our country is. Stay safe all, the little people of Ukraine, of Russia, of everywhere.
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I agree with your message.
The issue is out of hand, that people assume ALL citizens agree with the decisions of their leader. No elected leader makes decisions that everyone agrees with. This war was not decided by a common vote.
One more thing that is worth mentioning.
If you see UKR tagged tiktoks or youtube streams, CHECK THE SOURCE. People are using this situation to scam others out of money that should be going to real organizations, like red cross. Don't be fooled.
Thank you for your kind reminder.
Speaking of peace, how about we make peace, together? Please let me know how to return to good standing with you. I want to come off your blacklist, it has been years, and I don't know what to do.
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I'm not even sure that Putin deserves to be called "elected leader". We haven't had fair elections for many years, and the opposition leader who wanted to be his competition was unjustly persecuted, sentenced to mere probation and banned from election (then followed a murder attempt and later incarceration - I'm sure that you're familiar with the story).
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typical brainwashed kremlin retard. who illegally occupied crimea? who dreamt novorossia? who lied about "no russian troops are there"? did anyone bomb russian kharkiv for 8 years?
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Well, if that so majority of said people should overthrow the government. If they cant do it they not really a majority. Most of said people cheered when Russia invaded Crimea, just because now Ukraine have good army and capable to resist and West now realise what a threat Russia is and tightening the sanctions - they all became anti-war all of the sudden. Nemtsov wasnt in power when he got murdered, in fact most of people in Russia not supported him and called him a traitor. Russia dont use some robots in this war, this are same people that have families, friends. I am sure most of them can pass as normal human beings but they got no problem to go in other country and kill people for the audacity of being independent.
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Guys, don't believe this wannabe hippie TS! Around 60-70% of russians I know personally are Putin's clones in mentality, probably even worse fascists still, they sincerely believe in their ethnic superiority in 'cleanness' over any different humans ('kosoglazy', 'chernozhopy' in the East..... 'pidors', 'negroes' in the West). Among soldiers & enforcers it's 95% straight.
We, the rest are mostly 'neutral' - have no opinion ever (nor any social significance).
Nemtsov was a marginal, despised by most russians, they laughed at his body, shot in the back. Navalny has like 20% support (in cities mostly).
They have to be treated like Japan and Germany in '45 - to try and rethink stuff.
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And the most important thing - all these people would starve to death and give their preciuos government everything just to knew that they live in "great country" that "gives them western assholes some dick to suck".They would let cops destroy the lives of their children if they don't think as they think, they would shoot in the head anyone who's against Putin. people in the west just don't even realize what kind of dark, pulsating mass of ignorance and spite exists in Russia. All that people who don't want the war reside in that part of internet where western people are, it's kind of echo chamber actually.
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О, представитель народа-убийцы с власовской тряпкой в профиле стима из под шконки вылез. Ты бы, вместо того чтобы защищать липовый референдум под контролям бурятских танкистов занялся чем-то более полезным. Например, изучением как приготовить пойманную крысу в условиях отсутствия электричества, или там на какие деревянные игрушки перейти когда стим выключат. Все эти навыки в скором времени тебе пригодятся.
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Well, if that so majority of said people should overthrow the government. If they cant do it they not really a majority.
That's not how it works at all. In an authoritarian regime as long as the ruler has the loyalty of the military and police forces (and other power players) common people can't overthrow the regime. For example Lukashenka lost the last Belorussian elections yet he is still in power.
Most of said people cheered when Russia invaded Crimea, just because now Ukraine have good army and capable to resist and West now realise what a threat Russia is and tightening the sanctions - they all became anti-war all of the sudden.
I think from a Russian POV this sentiment is perfectly understandable. The takeover of the Crimea was relatively clean and many Russian nationalists believed it should have rightfully belonged to them. On the other hand bombing major Ukrainian cities to Grozny levels would probably be immensely unpopular. No wonder the Russian invasion plan was to bypass the bigger population centers and try to take out the Ukrainian military and leadership quickly and relatively cleanly. The plan was delusional and backfired big time that's why the Russian military looks so incompetent now. If they take the gloves off the war will become a lot more unpopular at home but Putin is backed into a corner so he has little choice but to go for it.
Russia dont use some robots in this war, this are same people that have families, friends. I am sure most of them can pass as normal human beings but they got no problem to go in other country and kill people for the audacity of being independent.
Probably lots of them actually do have a problem with it. Morale seems to be quite low among the Russian units.
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Lukashenko is still in power because Tihanovskaya only capable of making heart sign with her hands. With that kind of opposition my dead grandma can hold the power. If you not willing to escalate protest you already lost it, because Lukashenko not afraid to kill anyone. Army and police follow source of power, when power shifts they sense it. It was not relatively clean takeover, google how people who opposed it got tortured and killed and how many people got jailed because they did not recognize that fake referendum. Just because half of UA army forces were Russians that got bought by RU army officials to surrender their bases doesnt mean it was clean. People in Russia just didnt care about those casualties because they lost no one during takeover, it was Ukrainians that suffered. Now when they getting burned alive in their tanks and whole world ready to move RU to stone age, now they cry about their innocence. Its all about severity of retaliation not new found conscience. If their morale is low their only choice is to surrender as soon as they enter UA territory, act with your actions. They should do it as soon is possible because Ukrainians being kind people but their patience will be lower and lower. I doubt that any soldier from Kharkiv will be very forgivable to russian soldiers after todays bombardment of that city.
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Lukashenko is still in power because Tihanovskaya only capable of making heart sign with her hands. With that kind of opposition my dead grandma can hold the power. If you not willing to escalate protest you already lost it, because Lukashenko not afraid to kill anyone.
There was basically zero chance for the protests to succeed in Belarus. Military/police didn't really weaver. Maybe they would have if protests were more violent thus demanding more violent reaction. But Lukashenka always had the backup plan to give up his independence and turn to Putin for help.
It was not relatively clean takeover, google how people who opposed it got tortured and killed and how many people got jailed because they did not recognize that fake referendum. Just because half of UA army forces were Russians that got bought by RU army officials to surrender their bases doesnt mean it was clean.
I never said it was clean. I'm sure you understand what I mean with relatively clean. Strictly compared to how devastating similar landgrabs usually are. I didn't want to downplay the Ukrainian grievances with that just tried to point out how for some Russians that could be okay while the current war is not.
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Well written, but don't give up yet! The longer the war goes on, the more soldiers will notice whose interests they are really serving, the more companies will suffer by the sanctions, the more civilians will suffer by sanctions and supply gaps. There are plenty of historical examples of armies turning around against their own leader.
If you can't risk protesting, use at least your international connections to find evidence that he is wrong and show it to the people who still believe in the propaganda. Not everything has to happen in public.It won't get better by itself.
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A lot of people are ignorant. When the pandemic started the Chinese suffered a lot. Asians in general became victims of hate crime. Humanity is lost. You see it on social media everyday. All people do is spread hate. It's unfair to the Russians as well.
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That's always what happens, isn't it? People confuse everything.
Russians have been suffering under Putin for decades. But now they're butchers or cowards for somehow not having revolted against the Dictator in Chief.
It's important to remember in situations like these that even when elected democratically, the people in charge don't always represent the wishes and interests of their people, not a majority and not even a minority in most cases.
It's the same with Muslims. One guy blows a car and every Muslim is to blame. Funny how that never happens when it's a white kid picking up a gun and slaughtering his schoolmates.
Is it too much to hope for Putin to choke and die before he can do more damage?
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It does make you wonder when enough is enough.
It seems the Russian people have a very high pain threshold, many other countries have seen "springs" over the last 2 decades, but the Russian just keep suffering in (enforced) silence.
In most countries the more liberal people are mostly focussed in the cities, I'm assuming it's the same in Russia. And that is also where the seats of power are located. You'd think they'd be able to take control if this thing drags on a bit longer, it's a huge country, the conservatives from the East and rural areas won't be able to do much...
Or I'm just grossly uninformed and have too much imagination.
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True. They have been dragged through the streets, bloody and ragged, from the tsar to the far left and the far right.
Guess it's all part of the Russian experience for them now.
I really do hope they can overcome. Unfortunately Putin and his thugs are in the cities as well so it doesn't really matter where the majority is when democracy has left the building.
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Agreed and well said! People were threatening a local restaurant with Russian in the name even though the owner is Armenian and many of the servers are Ukrainian. People can be so stupid. But even if they were Russian, no reason to threaten! Putin is the problem.
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I am Russian. It's painful to see how a whole nation with a rich history and culture is demonised for the actions of our government and its warmonger supporters. Especially when you were speaking and acting against their politics for years and suffering the consequences.
But I don't blame the people who are angered and terrified by the recent events. Our country turned into Third Reich reincarnation in the eyes of the world in one day. And I don't think that civilians of Germany or Japan were getting any sympathy during WWII. There is a collective responsibility after all.
But speaking about collective responsibility, it's good to remember that such actions of our government became possible not only by the lack of resistance in Russian society.
A lot of Western politicians and companies, especially the ones from the EU and UK, were flirting with our bloody regime for all those years. Some of them were openly supportive. Trade, negotiations, the lack of response over its crimes and the lack of support to its victims. Now, most of them are hurrying to disassociate themselves from the war, to cut off all the connections. But some key political players, like China, still support this regime with silence and money.
So, when you are questioning "what Russians did to prevent this war?" — be fair and ask also what your representatives did to prevent it?
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Thank you and stay safe! I hope this madness ends soon. And maybe, just maybe, the end of the war will signify the beginning of a new era — the era of peace, unity and prosperity, at least in Europe. And the beginning of the fall for Putin and his corrupt friends.
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watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE
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most russians have nothing against ukrainians or any other nations, we want peace.
Lies. If most Russians wanted peace, then your protests would work, because your rallies would be massive and devastating. They don't work specifically because sane Russians are an extremely small minority. Get out of your bubble and see how many Russians actually support this war, you would be amazed.
And I'm very sorry for poor Russians being detained for protesting. It's so much worse than being killed in Ukraine by Russian missiles.
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Unless you'd like to call your own embassador a liar, they don't seem to be "Putin drivers" or even know what the hell is going on, you heartless bastard.
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Do I need to add #sarcasm to my post? I'm referring to a popular opinion that it's only Putin and his inner circle who wants war, but Russians don't. Which is a lie. It's not Putin and his clones who kill Ukrainians here, it's Russians. And the fact that they are brainwashed doesn't make their crimes less severe.
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No, you don't need to add "#sarcasm" to your post to mask your glaring xenophobia and ignorance.
Again, you seem to not understand what your own embassador said last Monday on this matter. These soldiers aren't brainwashed. They are being lied to, tricked. They are being sent to Crimea, Belarus and the mountainous border between Ukraine and Moldova under the guise of "training exercises". This is a siege that has been in the making since the coup the Russian govenment organised in Crimea and measures should have been taken right then, sanctions should have been applied, but certain European countries didn't want to lose their gas supplier and zipped it. Putin likes to hit with chaos, with suddenty, he takes advantage of the confusion and fear to get what he wants.
Kyslytsya read out the exchange in Russian, starting with the mother asking her son if he is "really in training exercises."
"Mama, I'm no longer in Crimea. I'm not in training sessions," the soldier replied, per Kyslytsya's speech.The mother then asks if she can send a parcel to her son and asks "what happened" — to which he replies that she cannot.
"Mama, I'm in Ukraine. There is a real war raging here. I'm afraid," wrote the Russian soldier, per Kyslytsya's speech. "We are bombing >all of the cities together, even targeting civilians. We were told that they would welcome us, and they are falling under our armored >vehicles, throwing themselves under the wheels and not allowing us to pass."
"They call us fascists. Mama, this is so hard," the soldier wrote.
Open your damn eyes and read. And listen to your own president that has more balls than a lot of these bullshit world leaders shaking their head at Russia but doing nothing to help. Or some even worse, that like playing war in other countrie's backyards while their country is safe and sound and those, those are the ones that are trully brainwashed, because they don't have to see it.
Why do you think that your own president wants combat to cease before there are negotiations? Because he knows there are freaking downright kids in there being tricked. Military service is compulsory in Russia for males 18 to 27 years of age for two years. These are the so called brainwashed insane people you are talking about! He doesn't want anyone to die because he is a good man! I'm guessing you think the people that were sent to clean up the mess after Chernobyl were also brainwashed and not being outright lied to. I guess they must have been crazy too. The miners, the cleanup crews, the military, the medical staff. All crazy. Mind you, this was durring the USSR so it wasn't only Russians being tricked into that hell hole. If anything a lot of Polish blood was spilled in Pripyat then, and long before the nuclear disaster. Ask them.
You know what, I don't even need to go very far. Ask any Israeli parent what they would do if their child was drafted to the Gaza Strip and they will tell you with a straight face that they will break their arm or their leg. Of their own child. To keep them from walking into their own death and that they will keep doing it. The situation is almost the same there with a vast majority of teens and young adults forced into military service. The difference is that the Israeli government can't pull the same crap the Russian government did and trick them into going into the damn frey for "training exercises".
You think protests would work? Did they work for Hong Kong? Did they? As soon as covid hit HK was left to its fate. Anyone that thinks that that was a coincidence is naïve. China is slowly anexing previous territories but no one wants to shut down the world's cheapest manufacter, that's bad for business. Do you want to blame the people of China for not protesting back when HK was being invaded? You musn't have heard of what happened to the whistle blowing doctors. You musn't know that there are Chinese people all over the world that left China for very good reasons, very terrifying reasons. You musn't have any relatives to tell you about the time of the KGB. If you did you'd know why the people protesting are a minority. It doesn't mean that others aren't against it, it means that people are afraid that their loved ones will pay for their actions like back in those days. Maybe it seems far away to you, but you can ask some older Portuguese people, they only came out of their own hell of a dictatorship with a similar force as the KGB that was called PIDE 47 years ago so they remember better. Ask them what happened to people that would so much as dare speak against the regime.
And lastly, just because it got under my skin:
How about you take YOUR peaceful Russian tanks with Putin drivers the f*** out of my country?
I may have Russian and Chinese (HK) blood, but I was raised in Portugal. They are my people and my people are fighting on the Romanian border as you spout your hateful nonsense. They weren't tricked. They went because we want to help. For the same reason that we have boats in the mediterranean sea with our coast guard looking for dingy rafts filled to the brim with refugees who are being treated by certain European countries like plague ridden rats while we pull them out of the water. You were better off keeping your mouth shut than bringing up who my people are and aren't. My blood doesn't define my morals, I do.
Maybe it's because I see humans and not countries. I see scared people and I have heard the war stories from family members. From friends. From those left broken and torn after years of cleaning up messes and they made sure that I knew that there is only one absolute truth in this type of situation that has been quoted and said and shouted a million times through this whole world since it was said first in1918 by Winston Churchill: That war doesn't determine who is right. Only who is left.
Continue to think that you are fighting brainwashed men. Live in your blissful ignorance that there are good and bad guys out in your streets and let that help you sleep better at night. Don't think about the superiors that have them under their thumb ready to shoot them at the slightest sign of insubordination. Pray. Pray that you are never holding a gun to the face of some scared 18 year old that can barely speak back to you, get up or avoid pissing his pants because that will be a look that will haunt you for the rest of your life. Pray that you never become a murderer because you think that people under these types of regimes know what's going on when they are sent in as cannon fodder.
I'm done with you. You spew hate against Russian civillians when that is not the goal. The goal is to stop the fighting, to save lives, to keep your country free to make the Russian government pull out their troops, bring them home. That is what "sane" people want, for this insanity to end. The sane people want peace. If you think you get peace by pointing fingers at chunks of land and blaming the entire population that resides on it you are an ignorant bafoon. You don't live in a bubble, you live in a cement crate.
And I'd still defend your life. You can rest assured of that. If I get called into service it's your side I'll be on. My blood is not my morals. Never was. Never will be.
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No, you don't need to add "#sarcasm" to your post to mask your glaring xenophobia and ignorance.
Funny you bring out "xenophobia" when your xeno soldiers are literally destroying my country and killing my people. Oh, I'm sorry your self-respect was hurt, cry me a river. Respect must be earned, what did you do to avoid this? Did you donate to Ukrainian army? Did you apologize to Ukrainian people? Do you wear a t-shirt with a Ukrainian flag? Did you try to open the eyes of your countrymen? No, you're only fighting to clear your own name, this is your biggest fight.
These soldiers aren't brainwashed. They are being lied to, tricked.
Whatever you call their delirious actions, whatever the reasoning, their crimes are still crimes, and they are still criminals. This is how the law works. A mass murderer who says he didn't know what he was doing is still going to jail. And even despite all that, we're talking only of those Russian soldiers who surrendered. Those who did are also an extremely small minority compared to the dead ones. There are photos of another phone of other Russian dead soldier talking to his loved one, who wishes her boyfriend to not to give Ukrainians mercy and he replies it won't last long. There were prank calls by the Russian soldiers calling Ukrainian hotel before the invasion trying to book a hotel for the entire division of 1000 people, because they will be there by the 24th. There was a chat in Instragram where a Russian soldier was telling to a Ukrainian girl that she must shift her preferences towards Russian men because women of losers belong to the winners. Etc. etc. Most of those soldiers are monsters, whether you believe it or not. Just as the majority of the Russian population.
He doesn't want anyone to die because he is a good man!
Of course our president doesn't want anyone to die, no Ukrainians ever wanted to kill anyone or be killed. And it wouldn't have happened if not for Russians who wanted Ukrainians to die.
Do you want to blame the people of China for not protesting back when HK was being invaded?
Yes I do, it's the same thing, I'm blaming Chinese people as a nation, the majority of which supports HK invasion and who wouldn't protest anyway. I only don't blame those who did something. Who moved out, who made their voices heard by any other means. If you're silent you're an accomplice. You can't be a silent passenger in a bus when the driver is hitting pedestrians and pretend you're innocent. Stop the bus, stop the driver or get out.
Pray that you are never holding a gun
When your people are destroying my country right now, you even DARE to tell ME that I should pray that I never hold a gun to someone's face? I may be forced to because of YOUR PEOPLE. Your people brought death here. And your people's sins fall on you also.
The sane people want peace.
That is correct. My point was that sane Russians are a small minority. See the latest polls, see the latest protest results. That's all you need to know.
And I'd still defend your life. You can rest assured of that. If I get called into service it's your side I'll be on.
You would, but you don't.
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Thanks for bringing some words of sanity in this nightmarish situation.
Corrupt governments, being bloodthirsty dictators like Putin or Kim Jong-un, or being "simple" lie professionals, are the real ennemy. Most people from everywhere on Earth just want to live their lives in peace, and can't because of scums who would do anything to be in power position, looking down to the peasants we are in their eyes.
Warm sympathy to all victims of this situation, Ukrainian civilians and military, and also Russian civilians who try to stand for peace and get the consequences you mentionned.
Even if I'm not from Ukraine, Putin is my ennemy, but Russian people are not, at all.
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Also heard Onlyfans suspended accounts in Russia. All their earnings were frozen. I don't understand why would they be included in the sanctions since they are literally promoting "make love not war". Some of them depend on that for their daily living and the corporations are just taking advantage of the situation to steal money from the citizens.
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I think their official slogan is "Simps give us money"
Governments punish governments, private companies punish companies and citizens.
They are hoping the population will revolt, it's the only way out of this, any other solution will escalate things.
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Aren't we used to it by now?
Even the media depicts Russians as the bad guys all the time. It's amusing to everyone, even after the Cold War, even after the fall of the Berlim wall, Even after the dissolving of the USSR. We're the bad guys. You need a bad guy for your story? Make it a Russian.
I'm only half Russian. I was adopted at an early age and brought to a more peaceful country. I take advantage of the fact that I'm also half Chinese (Hong Kong) lots of times and keep quiet and my head down until I have to use my full name and the irony...
"Your name's Mikhail? What are you, Russian?"
"Half..."
"Oh..."
(Archangel Michael [Ukranian: Arkhanhel Mykhail] is the patron saint of hunters and the city of Kyiv. Yes I was named Mikhail on purpose because of that due to extended family and yes it is with an i in Russian, no it could not have been with a y.)
The moment people go from thinking Mishki that I usually type in kana (ミシュキ) is some weeb name and that Mik isn't the same as Mick I'm profiled as a certified, bonefied asshole because Russian. Because Michael in Russian is Mikhail. That's all it takes.
People are just going to hate more... It's the usual... It doesn't matter if we mind our business and try our best to be kind and polite. You have to start growing extra thick skin to take all the hits...
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I'm sorry you feel like that man. Although I agree with what you say, there's still people who don't mind where you are from and what's your background. I'm one of them.
I hate when people hate people for their nationality or race and don't understand that generalizing people based on that is stupid.
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what is happening in Ukraine is sad but hatred towards normal people is not acceptable because NATO and America invaded Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Vietnam, Syria, Jordan, Bosnia, Bolivia and every one was silent at that time when people were getting killed. Again I never tolerate war and killing of people but every one was silent at that time. After all this I don't hate Americans or Europeans because it was there stupid leaders. It saddens me how USA and NATO pushed Ukrainians in this fight and dumped them in the middle of war. Sad thing is Ukraine got caught between Russia, NATO, USA war Its not Ukrainians war but Ukrainians are paying the price.
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First of all some of the countries you list weren't invaded by NATO/USA and some others were unpopular with mass protests against them. People weren't silent at all then.
It saddens me how USA and NATO pushed Ukrainians in this fight and dumped them in the middle of war.
What? Nobody in the West wanted this war.
Sad thing is Ukraine got caught between Russia, NATO, USA war Its not Ukrainians war but Ukrainians are paying the price.
Russia has been occupying parts of Ukraine since 2014. They didn't feel safe next to a nuclear superpower that was chipping away at their territory. They wanted to join NATO out of their own volition. And it's not like the joining process was going smoothly or anywhere really.
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U need to google NATO expansion map and you will understand what i am saying. In that map you will understand how NATO and America threatening Russia by including former soviet states in NATO.
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And your women are threating your people when they don't wear black rags on them?
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and your women is being auctioned on street corners go away kiddo. Come to the point and don't try to deviate from the main topic.
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No no, there's a direct link between it - animals always will support other animals, humans will support other humans - that's why you muslims love Putin and other dictators
https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-outpouring-of-anger-after-woman-assaulted-by-over-400-men/a-58893578
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Now i get it you are the animal supporting another animal right kid?? only Ukrainians are humans? no sanctions were imposed when USA/NATO killed many innocents as a collateral damage in war on terror? Russia invades Ukraine everyone losses their mind. Again i am against this war but the way i see it. USA/NATO are hypocrites because if they got balls they should support their alley Ukraine not only by words or by some stupid machines which Ukrainians cant operate properly.
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Officially, formally and by all rights Ukraine isn't someone's ally so get your IQ higher, I know you used to just hating USA, Israel and the western world historically, but that's too primitive
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Listen kid i don't hate anyone its about the fact that western countries are hypocrites. If western countries are in pain because of Ukraine than stop taking gas and oil from Russia but they won't it will destroy them. They want our oil and gas but hates us. NOW kid go play your video games and watch stupid fake news.
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Ur such a low educated schoolboy with low IQ, it's a shame to be like this
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Low educated kid who have travelled 19 countries including USA, Norway and Canada. I know about your type of mind set kid. Travel around the world kid than talk to me about IQ.
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I disagree with your views on Russia/Nato and this war, but with that being said: No need to react to him since he just seems to throw insults now instead of keeping himself to the discussion, just report/ignore and move on instead of flaming back.
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We all have our own views and perspectives you don't have to agree with me.
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Keyword: former.
Meaning not any more, they broke off so they could have their own independent country for a reason. If they wanted to become part of Russia again they would've done so willingly. Not to mention NATO wouldn't be able to expand so successfully if Russia wasn't threatening their neighbours so much, since they wouldn't feel the need to join a defensive alliance.
Look at what's happening now. Due Russia attacking Ukraine plus threatening Sweden and Finland by telling them not to join NATO (while this invasion happens) the opinion among the population to join NATO is in an all time high because people feel threatened by Russia. Hell, even Moldova and Georgia want to join the EU because of this invasion.
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It's not a security threat to Russia at all really. They are a nuclear superpower (though not really a superpower any more in other aspects) perfectly safe because of MAD. Also there are (or were) quite minimal NATO forces on the territory of the new member states. No nuclear missiles or large NATO bases in any of them as far as I know. And all those nations joined NATO out of their own free will and especially to shield themselves against potential Russian threats.
The main problem is that Russia still sees itself as a superpower that deserves to have a buffer zone / sphere of influence no matter what those nations might want. And what can Russia promise to these nations? Of course they can prop up the local leadership and keep them in power. But what can they offer to the citizenry of these countries when they'd be far better off by copying/adapting the European institutions and economic systems and integrating into the European markets?
Yes, NATO didn't respect Russia's self-claimed sphere. On the other hand the main aspect of European foreign policy towards Russia was to try to integrate their economy, buy their gas/oil, in general do as much as possible to keep them incentivized to accept the current status quo. Russia could have chosen to be a very strong regional power in the current setup and it would have benefitted them economically. Instead of focusing on the prosperity of their nation Russian leadership has chosen to chase superpower status. We will see how it goes but with the demographics and economy they have it's not looking like a smart choice.
China's long term strategy seems to be a lot smarter, at least to me.
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China's long term strategy seems to be a lot smarter, at least to me. really?? after Ukraine its Taiwan's turn and everybody knows this 'thing. Main thing is NATO/USA they just want war one way or the other way NATO was created under the influence of USA to tackle Russia and China. All those former soviet states willing joining NATO because they think NATO can protect them. If those states stays neutral things could have been a lot cooler.
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after Ukraine its Taiwan's turn and everybody knows this 'thing.
Doubtful. Time is on China's side, I don't think they will force the issue soonish. Especially not as long as Taiwan doesn't try to declare independence.
Main thing is NATO/USA they just want war one way or the other way NATO was created under the influence of USA to tackle Russia and China.
NATO was created to oppose the USSR and its satellites. China had absolutely nothing to do with it. Also why would they 'just want war'? I'm sorry but that's a really simplistic and rather ignorant take. The current world order is USA centric. The West's relative economy and military power is slowly shrinking, we are most likely in the twilight of USA world hegemony. If anything USA / NATO wants to avoid wars that endanger the status quo, like this invasion of Ukraine has a chance to do.
If those states stays neutral things could have been a lot cooler.
Sure thing. And what would they do if Putin one morning woke up to really wanting the Baltics back for example?
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Again damn NATO and America forced some shit-country dictator to invade peaceful country! Smart pakistanians need to watch more TV to liquefy their brains even more
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Listen kid around 95000 civilians and military people died in my country in America's so-called war on terror so don't tell me to watch T.V shows You go and watch your stupid Channels full of propaganda.
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95000 infants and babies were bloodsucked by bloody americans
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Not Americans some shit head power hungry ignorant ***** policy maker like you.
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They will never dare to invade us but we suffered as their alley just like Ukrainians only the difference is TTP tried their best to destroy us because we were American ally.
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For all those blacklisting me for speaking the truth. Do i care? i won nothing in 5 years and i have given away more games than i won so do as you like.
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Моя бабушка была русской, и я изучал русский язык в университете. Я люблю Россию и русский народ.
I feel a great deal of sadness when I think about, for centuries, how greatly and for how long the people of Russia have suffered under and been deceived by one tyrannical government after another, each one promising salvation from the deposed government that preceded it.
I'm not sure what to think about Putin's motivations. Does he want control over the essential ingredients for the manufacturing of superconductors that Ukraine provides more than any other nation, which pairs nicely with China's ambitions involving Taiwan? Or are his goals more spiritual than material? Is this about Putin's Orthodox Christian beliefs or his anti-semitism? (This article is an excellent read that suggests that as his goal .--- https://unherd.com/2022/02/putins-spiritual-destiny/)
Regardless, the end result is suffering on both sides. Change in the Russian government needs to come from the Russian people no matter what the consequences. But while I believe Putin is becoming mentally unstable and I pray that people within the current government will step up and defy Putin's orders should he become too irrational and too dangerous, it's hard to hold out hope for a better, less corrupt government when it seems as if for the Russian people, there are no lesser evils, just one evil usurping another, ad infinitum.
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Drunken Putin's vatnik wake up - you pooped yourself again
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Luckily upstanding Russians like this nice fellow are on scene to weed out the neo-nazi Ukrainian scum.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Utkinportrait.jpg
This neo-nazi justification for the war is simply laughable. You have to be a moron to buy it. Yes, of course Ukraine has a neo-nazi problem. But so does Russia and many other Eastern European countries. Also Russia is financing anti-EU far right parties and even fringe neo-nazi groups all over Europe.
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What's your point? It's a song by Mayhem I happen to like. Liking black metal doesn't mean one has to be a right wing extremist. Same goes for being pagan (which I'm not).
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I think this is really about Neon and Xenon gas and semiconductors but...
Do you believe that there really is a strong neo-nazi presence in Ukraine? How big is Azov for real?
Here's a scary thought, they help take back the country and then take over in Ukraine themselves through a coup. Then we have a new nazi party ruling a country and Putin made it possible. They have already joined up with the military.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
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from the conflict in 2014---
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis
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The same happened with Chinese when Covid was starting, and now, it's happening with Russians, it'll probably happen again, but the least we can do is not do it ourselves, try that our family and kids don't either. If we all put a little effort in that way, maybe there'll be a time when this no longer happens.
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towards regular Russian people is insane! It really should stop now. I want you guys to understand, that the absolute majority of russians eager for peace. Same as you are! Same as everyone else. No one needs a war, except some politicians, that don't care about human lives and pursue their own interests. Regular russians have have nothing to do with it.
I have an answer for that too.
There have been numerous protest acts, mass meetings and even riots since 2010. Not only against the government, but against Putin himself. Thousands of people have ruined their lives by getting real prison sentences, some even were killed, and basically, nothing has changed during all these years as none of the populace demands were reached. In fact, the resistance became much weaker after every year.
Not only regular people, but even opposition key figures had no success. Boris Nemtsov was so far the only real threat to Putin and his power, as he had a lot of power and connections himself. There was no success in this confrontation for him either. After the Russia's takeover of Crimea, he was heavily against such policy and was looking to save Donetsk and Lugansk from war. However, just in a couple of months after claiming this position and starting to look forward on possible resolution, he was brutally murdered right in front of the Moscow's Kremlin...
So even the people of power can't do much.
All I'm saying, that most russians have nothing against ukrainians or any other nations, we want peace. No need to judge us by the acts of our government, please be better than that. Just remember, we all are HUMANS, and not a single crazy politician or news media should set us against each other. Wish you love and patience, I hope both ukrainians and russians will overcome any kind of difficulties and stay strong!
❤
Please refrain from discussing here the conflict itself, as there is the special thread for it
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