oh i was surprised about the fact the creator blacklisted me without any reason before sending key or something, was so weird
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Someone may just walking by in some discussions and than - boom! - "hey, why not blacklist that user for that comment that i actually have no concern with". It happens everyday, so do not bother that someone do it, mostly you don't even notice that (but can see in your stats). Still you have very uncommon turn of events.
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he has a week to send you the game, if he doesnt then make a ticket.
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Yup. Happens all the time.
Registered 8 years ago and that happens for you for the first time? Were you hiding under the rock?
But seriously - not much to do now. Wait one week and then see what happen :)
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oh very useful didnt know this way...! well weird because ga creator made some gas at same time that mine and send the key except for me xD thanks for the info!
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copy the GA link. then logout SG , then enter the GA link .
U can enter the GA link without login .
or https://www.steamgifts.com/archive , search gamename in closed
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did it and found it !! very useful thanks mate! :D
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yep, that was my first thought. can't believe nobody has said anything about it.
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i removed you from my blacklist.. even though i find it extremely hard to believe you didn't realize that picture is racist. your new avatar is infinitely better.
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of course i diidnt know... im the first who hate racism in every way... this is why i changed the pic...
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Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Might I ask why you consider leaving SG though? It's not like nastiness like this is common here.
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Dude, you're using a racist meme as your profile pic. But yeah, "without reason", sure.
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lol this pic is from a friend and never had any problem (mostly because im not racist) i dont have any problem with that but i dont care basically im here for 8 years and never had a problem...
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https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sheeeit
Sheeeit, also known as Tyrone, is a meme that is used in MS Paint templates, similar to Rage Comics, that often portrays a caricatured, stereotypical African-American male pronouncing the quote "Sheeeitttttt." The image primarily appears in various webcomics on 4chan and subreddits like /r/SheeeitComics where the character is depicted in various racist stereotypes.
If you claim that you are not racist, you should change that avatar to something else. Your choice tho.
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of course, i dont care about if someone is white black orange or whatever...this is why i dindt care about a simple pic...but if some of you consider its racist i have no proble to change a pic
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Personally, I don't care. I'm just pointing to the origin of that pic, it was created by racist people.
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didnt know about that history of the pic but i have no problem changing them if someone considers it racist but thanks for the info mate
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Late to this convo, but wow!
People get triggered for the stupidest things. I looked up the meme being talked about and as I said, it's stupid.
Does everything said in jest and suggesting a race, have to be racist?
As a white person I've heard people call me cracker, and say white people have no rhythm, but it's the level of hate involved that makes things racist, not some silly pic.
Like years ago when people were being killed for drawing the Muslim prophet in a cartoon, an getting killed for it, people seem to go out of their way to be offended.
As a white person the most racism I feel, is the belief that people can't be racist towards white people(so they can do and say what they want, and i am not allowed to be offended). Like somehow white people have a monopoly on hate and stupidity.
Sorry to see you got bullied into changing a silly profile pic. SJW's (social justice warriors) seem to be everywhere, and making things worse.
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As a white person
Listen, I understand where your reasoning comes from, but it's not up to us to decide for black people what is racist or not, you need to hear their voices first.
Getting called a cracker or getting told you have no rhythm isn't even as bad as what black people have gone through history. They were getting killed, enslaved, tortured, and so much more - all just for having black skin. You can't really compare those two.
Sure, that cartoon might seem inoffensive to you at simple glare, but you have to remember things such as blackface and cartoons âwith exaggerated racial stereotypes exist. That's when the context completely changes.
I'm not blaming you at all for your comment, in fact, I used to think inverse racism was an actual thing, but it isn't. Also this isn't a SJW thing, it's just common human decency.
I invite you to investigate and read up more to get informed about black history.
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Oh don't start this bullshit about history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery - here, white people have gone throught shit times as well.
No one is doubting that black history has been brutal and unfair, but things have changed for better. We still have problems and deep rooted racism in our society, but constantly blaming white people for slavery and living in past by only talking about very specific selective moments from history doesn't help us in modern times.
I strongly believe this constant blaming and bringing up history is actually making things worse. You seriously think that racist people suddenly wake up and think "oh no, there was slavery in past, I will stop being racist now"?. Racism is racism whether it comes from black perosn, from white person or from asian regardless of the past. So if black person calls white person cracker with intention of insulting, then that is racism plain and simple.
PS. so why are we ignoring topics such as these :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
Do these somehow don't matter ? Its history and it's bloody for everyone and Uyghur genocide is even going on now - but fuck that right ?
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You said it yourself, we still have problems and deep rooted racism in our society, that's why those racist cartoons/deceptions of black people still exist. I understand all of you guys' point of view, but you have to start questioning things more. We are comfortable with what's around us, but it's time to realize what's going on and be a little more empathetic of our surroundings.
I brought up black history because we as a society still haven't progressed much. You see how the movement BLM exists, because there is still a lot of violence towards black people, even in this day and age, just for being black. White people have been through things of course, but we aren't as marginalized as minorities at all. It's important to keep that in mind.
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we aren't as marginalized as minorities at all
But that shouldn't make it OK for black people to be racist themselves. I only commented because you said that getting insulted by black people is nothing just because they have gone through shit. No - they have to be empathetic as well, so do white people, so tdo every other race on this planet. Can that happen ? In my humble and pessmistic opinion - no. But we can sure try.
I don't want to start a whole new thing here but I feel I dont want to leave this unsaid, - BLM is the most racist and vile movement that has graced states after KKK .... If only it was beginning of 20 century they would be burning white people the same as KKK did with black people. It's movement that seeds hate and breeds violance. That's how far we have come. Whole circle back to the beginning where a movement we have is actually breeding racism.
As for all these little racism signs (e.g. that shiiiieeet picture) - by getting rid of them we don't abolish racism. That's why I find people getting offended by such pictures fascinating. You think the person behind the picture magically stopped being a racist ? No, and he will never change his mind in his lifetime. America btw has a lot more greater problems then racism. They just like to accredit everything to it, while at the core there are more rotted idiologies and attitudes.
and what makes it even more redicilous is how people just hate others for no reason at all. Blacks hate and kill other blacks, whites hate and kill other whites. Throw in other races and ehtnicities, everyone will hate everyone and insults will be exchanged. Thats a little utopia we have envisioned when we think that everyone will love everyone. If we start by fixing actual problems and not try to achieve some unrealistic bliss we might actually get somewhere.
Take for example the shooting that happened in states recently where several asian women where killed. We are back at it again - racism is horrible, how can we fix it. Maybe start by fixing gun, drug and education problems. By screaming in top of the laungs that is was racism that caused it makes no difference. It;s equivelent of sending thoughts and prayers. Useless.
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Getting called a cracker isn't on the same level as any of the anti-black slurs though? Here at the end of the article are a few reasons why and I can quote on this
Cracker may be a pejorative in some circles. It may even be used to insult a white person. But it clearly lacks the grievous, historical freight of the other.
As for the BLM movement, you can't really compare it to the KKK either. BLM asks for equality and rights of black people, that are getting killed for being black. The movement isn't asking for supremacy unlike KKK, it's asking to have their human rights respected too. To people that overlook the movement, it appears as if they "only" cared about black lives, but they're asking for their own rights. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that, but in any case, here's an image that could give a hint on how it works
Also, of course, I don't think anyone magically stops being racist for getting rid of a picture. Sadly I understand some of us come from families that have deep racist roots but it's never too late to question what has been passed onto us and learn to empathize with other people.
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I'll repeat myself - if the term is used as an insult it's racist. There are no layers of what is and what is not racist. (don't mix up what I said earlier - I said it's idiotic to get offended by such things, but I didn's say they are not racist)
And even if we start to catogarize names that are and are not racist, then n-word should be the first to go in not-racist column. The way and multitude the word is used in black community should then make the word Ok, if saying cracker isn't racist. I agree they are not the same degree (socially speaking) because obviously I can comment one but can't the other or else I might get shat on and banned. Doesn't change the fact that when used as an insult cracker is as racist as n-word. Those reasons given in the article are childish and of such poor quality that such an article shouldn't have a place on washington post.
How you described BLM is how it should be. It's not like that. At least I have not seen the moment like that though. https://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/04/05/black-lives-matter-co-founder-tweets-about-killing-men-and-white-folks/ - I mean this was good example how organisers of BLM events think. And you really think the masses who riot and loot think about having rights ? don't make me laugh.
and what I'm trying to say is - BLM having protests, removing stupid pictures on internet, getting offended and screaming at everyone doesn't make people reflect on their opinions. Racist people stay racist. end of the story.
You think a police officer will magically go "oh, I wont attack this black person" after years of being a racist ? That is a fantasy and if you want to fix something like that, try to fix the problem that created this - not racism but poor education and non-ecistant sceening for police officers.
PS. All in all what I want to say is - don't make one group of people "more equal" then other groups if you fight for equal rights between them. Don't turn fight for justice into a blind cult. Be objective and be decent.
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Again, reverse racism isn't real. Getting called a cracker isn't racism, it might come off as offensive, but it isn't racist. Also nowhere near the n-word at all. This 2 minute short read is pretty informative on the matter of reverse racism. Something very interesting from there:
The effect of racism on marginalized groups includes police brutality, racial wealth gaps, redlining, microaggressions, slavery, and colonialism.
Have any of these examples of racial oppression affected the rights of White people? No. We must understand that Black prejudice does not affect the rights of White people.
If reverse racism were an issue, it would mean that we live in a world where all racial groups have equal, institutional, social, and systemic power. We donât.
Now, I get what you're trying to say. I agree that white lives matter, any lives matter, of course. But, right now the lives that are more in danger are of black folks. You can see it by yourself how horrible police brutality is. That's why the movement started. To get justice and equality, just as much white people have.
And you really think the masses who riot and loot think about having rights ?
Sadly people have had no other option than to riot to get the government's attention. They have protested peacefully and no one turned a head in. They had to take it to a more last-resort kind of thing. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying the loots, but it makes you think, material things can come back any time. The life of someone that was killed on a racist whim, will never come back.
Racist people stay racist.
Yes. They will, if they don't want to change. Most people have internalized racism, because they were raised with it, but anyone can learn from their mistakes. Unless they want to stay racist, then I completely agree with you.
That is a fantasy and if you want to fix something like that, try to fix the problem that created this - not racism but poor education and non-ecistant sceening for police officers.
Definitely. The problem needs to be taken from the root out, starting with education, and with education it comes teaching folks how normalized racists things were that you didn't even know they were racist (for example blackface).
However to make things better in the present, all the people want is justice for those people that don't have a voice anymore...
don't make one group of people "more equal" then other groups if you fight for equal rights between them
The thing is, you see my friend, is that there is no full equality, at least not yet. We still haven't reached a step where everyone from all races are equal, sadly. That's why black people are fighting for their rights in the BLM movement, because there is still a huge gap and no real punishment for people that have done harm.
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Yes - reverse racism doesn't exist, because it's simply called racism. If black person says "kill all white people", that's not racism ? How does that work ?
Sorry but that "informative read" is full of shit. Absolutely and completely full of shit and it's racist (not to mention written horribly). It's basically saying that black people can be racist towards other races just because they are oppressed.
That's not how it works. Two groups of people don't have to be socially equal to have them hate each other. Racism, simply put, is hatred of another race. Anyone is capable of that. That article is one of those things I mentioned previously - it's trying to make one group "more equal" then other group. It tries to segregate races even more by trying to invent new terms and concepts on how to make white people sound even more evil, to rile up more black people and make white people feel guilty for some kind of "system of power".
I'm just baffled by the logic - there is absolutely NO excuse for a black person to hate white person due to the color of skin so that it wouldn't be racism (and same goes the other way of course). As far as the usage of specific words goes - that is more or less phylosophy of how we interpret them, but racism is and will be real on both fronts. Racism isn't oppression. Oppression is part of it and something that can evolve from it, but racism exists without oppression and it's not specific to white people.
but anyone can learn from their mistakes
You seem to forget that they DONT think that it's wrong. They don't consider them being racist is a mistake. They think that everything about other races is a mistake. That's a point a lot of people tend to forget when talking about such subjects... someone doing wrong most likely doesn't think he is doing something wrong. So protests and different activist groups only create more problems and roots the problem deeper. Racists seeing black people going out in the streets just will hate them more. And they will start hating white people who side with them. I'd say it's a miracle if ANY of them actually goes like "Oh damn, I was wrong"... And such articles as you posted make black people think it's okay to hate white people. And they don't even consider that it may be wrong.
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We are back to square one:
It is quite common for people to confuse racism with racial prejudice, but these ideologies are greatly different in meaning and their effect on society. Yes, these opinions can hurt feelings, but are they racist? No, because the oppressed cannot oppress the oppressor.
At this point I'm too exhausted to try to inform you about how things truly are, but I deeply hope one day you can realize that there is no racism towards white people.
You seem to forget that they DONT think that it's wrong.
And I'll apply your own text for yourself, I hope you don't take it the wrong way, I'm not saying you're racist. I just hope you try to be more open minded and understanding of things from the other side of the table.
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there is no racism towards whites
wow just wow...................
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People need to read more History. Black people are not the only ones used as slaves.
My ancestors in Scotland and Ireland were subdued ad enslaved by the british long before africans. Tons of shitty memes about scottish and irish, but we just take it and laugh.
Most of my family comes from northern europe, and we didnt own any slaves there, or over here.
I have my own personal beliefs, and there are plenty of times where I feel painfully uncomfortable, but just deal with it.
I've had a black guy try and rape me, but held no grudge about it, and always thought of him as a shitty person. I've had a police officer pull me over and pull a gun on me for no reason other than i was clearing out a storage unit and looked to him like i was one of the many methed out thieves in the area.
As far as I know, no one alive today grew up as a slave, so when to we stop this butt hurt BS of what happened to our forefathers?
I remember being a kid and learning about racism. Spent my life looking forward to growing up and seeing most all of the racists had died off.
Instead we move the goal posts on what is to be deemed offensive, and the angst against supposed racism never stops.
Star Trek seems one of the few bits of media to get it right. They converted all races and creeds, into the emotional makeup of lien races, then they introduced the same topics without race being the isue.
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X2. I had blacklisted this user since a while ago because of the same reason
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Is that silly meme, so offensive? I'm still struggling to find it racist? Or should I perceive every cartoon showing a white person in a silly perspective to be racist as well?
Truly curious, because i'm not seeing what the rest of people in this thread are.
Looking up the meme, i see the tendency to make stupid racist's comics ending in the sheeeit panel, but that doesnt really make the panel itself racist. I've heard nearly every stand up comic use the phrase when simulating a black person. Is that racist too? Should I be offended?
Or how about when the do the exact same thing in toons with white people, and overexaggerate our failings? Like we cant dance, jump, etc...
Was it racist that I watched my brother and many of my age group in the 90s appropriate and emulate black culture? I cant count the many white people i've heard say sheeit, while trying to sound and act like a black person.
To me the line of racism is based off hate, not comedy and goofiness.
Maybe people need to take a look at the Sunday comics, and imagine every white person as black, and ask if they now find that comic to be racist.
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Butting into this debate on either side is probably a good way to earn some blacklists but whatever.
So I'm not from the US and not the most knowledgeable on this issue but even to me the picture seemed racist even before somebody posted the origin of it here. If you ever read an article with examples on 19th century to early 20th century racist caricatures, blackface on stage, early films and cartoons and about the typical 'darky' character then it's quite clear where that cartoon was coming from. I couldn't be less surprised when the actual source was linked. Knowingly using this type of picture signals that you either consider black people subhuman or are an idiot edgelord at best. It's extremely hard to argue that it's harmless with all the 'rich' history behind this stuff.
Ofc if you don't know anything about the context that's another thing but even then why would you use a clearly unflattering caricature of a black man as your avatar?
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I couldn't be less surprised when the actual source was linked.
Did you look at the actual numbers ? This stupid panel hardly qualifies as a meme; not everybody spends their lifes on reddit/4chan ..
Also, as Geosol already pointed out not all of those cartoons are inherently racist - part of them are just abusing the theme in a disgusting manner. Some of them are just silly jokes.
.. why would you use a clearly unflattering caricature ...
Idk, ask andreeeeeww - is his avatar racist too, is he be making fun of the mentally challenged ? I have no idea, probably not. The picture just looks like a screengrab of some movie or tv-show - if I had to guess, I´d say it´s a much more popular meme than Tyrone but I still don´t know it.
What I do know about andreeeeeww is that he´s open for discussions, doesn´t stick to an imaginary rule-set and is willing to change his ways, even! if it goes against his initial beliefs. His posts show that. Praise that man (pardon me for pulling you into this andreeeeewwđ)
Following your logic it´d be racist to depict Scandinavian people as blonde and almost impossible to depict any black person in a satirical/stereotypical manner. Satire is not racism; sillyness is not racism. More than often humor walks a fine line, but if we all cry wolf at every occasion, we won´t be able hear each other when the real thing hits us. Talking helps.
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Well said.
When thinking about this convo, my brain keeps flashing to all the comics and cartoons i've watched for decades.
I dont think there is any race that hasnt been heavily, and ridiculously caricatured.
Intent has most to do anything. Great is example is how the word Bitch is used, or shit.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igh9iO5BxBo
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Yes, I looked at the numbers. It's a fringe meme that nobody knows about. It's clearly very marginal stuff only used in a small racist (or edgelord) circle. It's not like Pepe that some SJWs try to claim as racist, too. The jokes themselves vary from clearly racist to low effort ugly stereotypes. And it's not like this Tyrone caricature is used in any other context, it being very marginal and clearly linked to this one thing I think makes my point stronger, not weaker.
But even if you just look at the caricature itself it clearly invokes earlier racist depictions of black people. And taking into account the origin of the picture there's zero chance it's an unfortunate coincidence.
Why would andreeeeeww's avatar be racist? It's just a silly face by a well-known actor. Didn't know that having lazy eyes is somehow connected to being mentally challenged. Also care to show where andreeeeeww changed his mind about the picture? In his last message he just gives the benefit of the doubt to OP that he didn't know the picture is racist.
Following your logic it´d be racist to depict Scandinavian people as blonde
I don't see how this follows from my logic at all. I think it's usually rather easy to distinguish a funny/satirical caricature of a black person from an intentionally racist one. And this is not even an edge case.
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Yeah, I get that, and have heard about the choice to not reprint Dr Seuss books with that imagery.
But I still find it ridiculous. Where do we draw the line? There are tons of caricatures of other races including white people too. Rednecks, texans, hippy californians, gay san franciscoans, liberal seattleites, crazy floridians, stupid people that live in the middlewest, rude New Yorker, dirty frenchman. There are truths that these things are based on, but their very vague generalities, and as such, should never be taken with any seriousness beyond what the intent behind it is.
I see consistent refences to these, but I see them as funny hyperbole, and not directed hate.
If we're gonna do away with the fat lipped african character, then I see a massive slew of caricatures that will soon be banned as well.
Sadly this is one of those topics you cant really have a decent convo about, because eventually some sjw will try and shut down the convo with their own brand of hate, and a slew of sound bites to prove they're morally superior, in order to feel better about themselves.
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This should prove to you that EVERYTHING can be found offensive or racist by some nutjobs - imagine - evil white men sitting, how dares he. And when there's actually something racist you can be sure te get freakouts (as for that caricature, I don't doubt it's racist, but if that offends someone, then I don't understand how can they even survive in this world because thats nothing... have they not been on the internet and this is the only site they use ?)
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OMG! I remember being apalled at the overreach of BS on this topic.
Old man where's a coat and mittens on a winter day, while sitting outside for hours. WTF!?!?
What was he supposed to wear? And since he didnt support the new administration, what was he supposed to do after being kicked around my the DNC for 2 presidential elections in a row.
People being upset at this are one of my guides to people I dont need to bother speaking with. Especially as our new president continues to bomb and kill people.
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You are not helping the conversation by labelling people SJWs. I'm not an SJW at all and I found the picture distasteful for example. It's not simply a 'fat lipped african character'.
Also OP claims that after learning about the racist meme that is the source of the picture he doesn't want to associate with it so why be offended on his behalf? Let's take his words at face value and move on.
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I didnt call anyone out as being a sjw, but stated the common eventuality of every online conversation on this topic.
If a fat lipped african character is so offensive, where do we stop?
I imagine that any character where a chinese rice patty hat and having slant eyes is next, but that's hardly the end of the ridiculous characters we have out there that can be perceived by some to be just as racist.
This is the definition of a slippery slope.
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You said OP was bullied into changing his profile pic. SJWs are everywhere. If SJW = nutjob who gets offended at anything then calling a racist picture racist is very far from that.
And again, it's not just a fat lipped African character, goes well beyond that. If you don't see it then I don't know what to say. We could go over the details point by point but it's most likely pointless because you simply don't want to see it as it would weaken your slippery slope argument.
I imagine that any character where a chinese rice patty hat and having slant eyes is next
Why? You can draw such a character as a racist stereotype or not. People can usually judge quite well where the result falls.
This is the definition of a slippery slope.
I don't think your fears are warranted. We still have Jewish jokes and caricatures about Jews for example and they aren't all automatically considered antisemitic. Same goes for Asians, black people, whatever.
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It actually does not make much sense. If somebody blacklisted you - they already can't enter your giveaways because of this.
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That's why I said "does not make much sense", not "does not make any sense"
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When the White Frost comes, don't eat the yellow snow.
At that point I consider changing my avatar to something racist xD Snowflakes will add me to their blacklists and I won't have to deal with them in the future!!
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a flaming bag of dog shit solves all problems. add some copper shaving for a nice green effect.
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Have a real meme ; p - wait a minute, wasn´t that racist..?
Nope, apparrently Spike Lee approvedâ
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Spike Lee is what you get when you mix racism with arrogance. Recently he got mad that his Netflix movie wasn't nominated for Oscar (I watched it, it was ok but far from anything Oscar-worthy) that he launched a sale of prints and posters from the movie called -get this- WE WUZ ROBBED. Yup, that's the name he went with.....
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Interesting, so he goes full Trump at the Academy in a sporty way. All for Delroy Lindo seemingly, can´t say I´m surprised these days. He always was a memester after all ; )
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