So a while back I started making giveaways. And the first batch I made were public giveaways with no level requirements. And certainly some of the games went to people who seemed nice. But I couldn't help but notice that some got regifted or simply vanished without trace. And I had to chase some people who didn't mark the games as received and it turned out they didn't want the games because they thought they were bad games or because it as a waste of time activating them because of their VAC ban and so on.

And for a while I maybe felt like a dick for going to the trouble of giving games away to people who didn't even want them. And I resolved to start experimenting with ways to maybe focus my gifting towards people who weren't such assholes. And I have experimented with various kinds of giveaways with varying degrees of success. And I have experimented with whitelists and group giveaways but I would feel a little guiltY about entering public giveaways if I made no public giveaways myself.

And I have experimented with blacklisting. Which I felt in theory was a great way of gradually focusing gifting towards the more lovable members of the community.

It's fair to say that that my first blacklistings were fairly haphazard and I'm not a perfect person and I'll even admit that I blacklisted a few people for quite petty reasons while druNk - but all of those have been reversed and I'm now quite consistent about why I blacklist people and keep a list of why I have done it.

I'm blacklist people for badly breaking the rules or abusing the system (like multiple regifters). I'm blacklisting people for having a bad ratio plus something else naughty, because I wouldn't want to discriminate against people who just can't afford stuff (like people who have a really bad ratio and moan about only winning crap games in discussions). And I'm blacklisting people who I felt were rude or abusive or entirely unreasonable (because it would stick in my throat to give a game to somebody who had told me to kill myself). This seems reasonable to me.

But to me things began to seem unreasonable when I made a giveaway for 3 copies of Skullgirls and woke up the next morning to find that despite a large number of entries more people were moaning about being blacklisted than had actually said 'thank you'. And I spent half the next day Being harassed by and arguing with various people despite also being really busy in real life.

If somebody asks why they are blacklisted I don't mind checking if I have made a mistake or looking if they have mended their ways - but when I commit to giving a game away I don't also want to commit to wasting a bunch of time arguing with people.

More recently somebody took the trouble of contacting me after noticing they were blacklisted to tell me what a good user they were, to express their surprise and upset and to issue some vague but malevolent threats. I checked my list and saw they were blackListed for several things ranging from having a terrible ratio to scamming people in trades. And I also noticed that this user had never made a giveaway that I had been able to enter.

I had been excluded from every private group giveaway this user had made and apparently now this user had discovered that I had made a giveaway that he was excluded from he found this entirely unreasonable. Is it wrong to be pissed off about that?

In conclusion I'm now about bored of this shit. I'm considering how to move forwards on the matter and thought it would be interesting to have a discussion and hear peoples opinions.

But before replying I would like people to consider that whenever I have previously posted a rambling wall of text in 'puzzles' there has been something far more important going on than the topic that appears to be the issue.

EDIT - I literally have several hundred new messages. I hadn't quite expected that response. Clearly blacklisting is CONTROVERSIAL or else folks are just really excited about the other thing. I'll reply to as much stuff as I can but it may take a while.

To clarify a few things at the risk of making a wall of text even bigger;

I'll always check why I blacklisted people as clearly I'm not infallible. Although in the past I have had several productive discussions with people I blacklisted I don't feel able to commit to that in the future due to a recent onslaught of bullshit. At this stage I'm reluctant to even get involved in discussions when so many of them end up wasting so much time.

I'm pretty sure I know what caused the onslaught of bullshit. Participating in the 'midsummer madness' event clearly brought me to the attention of some people who hadn't previously noticed my more subtle giveaways. And also I added 'really bad ratio + only making private group giveaways while raking it in from public giveaways' to the list of things I blacklist for which upset a number of especially argumentative and entitled individuals.

I'm not upset or else I wouldn't still be making giveaways. I have vented. I have put my point of view across. I will honestly consider the feedback. I will move forwards.

EDIT2 - 890 messages since I made this. I have read them all but it is unlikely that I will be able to reply to them all. The main lesson so far appears to be that the people who have contributed the least to this community are the ones most likely to get outraged about what other people are doing with their giveaways.

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Dude, how can I take your opinions seriously when your formatting is so erratic?

I jest. :) Thanks for your subtle generosity.

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I sent your gift by e-mail - if that is a problem just add me on Steam!

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Thanks for bad rats :3

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Whoa, it's a lot of text, I need to sleep before I can read and understand all of it. Yea, I think 8hrs will be enough...
I found a train, thank you for it)

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I'm too dumb (read: lazy) for most (including this one, apparently -_-) puzzles, but I agree with the sentiment. I blacklist quite a few people because of my reading comprehension giveaways where I ask people not to comment with a generic thanks or get blacklisted, and people seem to think that's unfair. I figure if you can't spend six seconds to read a giveaway description you shouldn't get my game that I spent money on, but, you know, that's unfair. I think that a blacklist is someone's legitimate individual preference, and you don't even need a reason to blacklist anyone. I mean, you could even blacklist me for this comment, and I'd think you were well within your rights to do so; it might be a bit arbitrary, but, well, it's your prerogative.

I'd be sad if you did that though.

If I want people I like to get a game, I do a whitelist giveaway though, since mine is already in the triple digits and growing.

Edit: I figured out what I was doing wrong! Also, change that lazy to dumb. In this case I was just too dumb. -_-

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I think you have legitimate reasons to blacklist.
My problem with blacklisting in this community is with the people that abuse it and blacklist for silly reasons.
I feel like I'm personally afraid a lot of times to comment and express my opinion because someone might not like what I said and blacklist me.
that's why I'm not very active at the forum, and when I do comment I get nervous afterwards.
simply because it hurts to see you're blacklisted by someone, especially when you never broke any rules. .
Oh god here I go, please tell me I'm not the only one.

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Your not the only one :)

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You're doing it right. I say screw people that complain like that. I also blacklist people that are needlessly offensive, rule breakers, and such. Even if I don't do a lot of giveaways. If they complained, they're way likely to know why they were blacklisted, at least have an idea that they were being assholes or breaking rules. Same applies to helpful, nice, etc people I see, and I whitelist them. Even if it takes me a long time to get something good enough for a whitelist giveaway.

So yeah, I'd ignore em. In the end what you do is up to you, but I think you're doing things the right way. Assholes like that shouldn't get the chance to waste others' kindness.

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So far I pretty much only blacklist for blatant rule breaking but there have been a couple of occasions where people are such arseholes that I've felt like I had no choice but to blacklist them. At the end of the day though I don't worry about it, some people just deserve to be blacklisted, not much any of us can do about it to change them I doubt.

Thanks for the train.

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All I gotta say is that, this was all fair in end I would say no matter what one thinks.

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I'd like to add a question: you're a guy that blacklists people with poor given/won ratio. If you happen to see a user who has a enourmously poor given/won rate, BUT you've come across this user's profile through him posting a friendly bump, or helping a user out, do you think it's fair that he gets blacklisted?

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He said he blacklists for low ratio only if they've done something else wrong.

I'm blacklisting people for having a bad ratio plus something else naughty, because I wouldn't want to discriminate against people who just can't afford stuff (like people who have a really bad ratio and moan about only winning crap games in discussions)

Blacklisting for poor reading comprehension. j/k

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Oh sorry, what i meant to say is "imagine you're a guy that...". The way the comment has been put really seems to say that OP blacklists for that reason :x

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Oh ok, so it's me with the poor reading comprehension. I'm blacklisting myself :D

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Haha, you're awesome. It's my poor B to blow writing skillz that needs blacklisting xD

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I know of someone that got in there because of ratio alone AFAIK, so I don't know about that.

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If you mean yourself I can assure you that isn't the case. If you are concerned about somebody else and want me to check then let me know.

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I wouldn't think it was fair personally. I even have a few people with poor ratios on my whitelist because they seem really nice and helpful and just not in a position to gift a lot of stuff. If other people did that I would think it a little sad but that would be up to them.

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One thing i don't get
do people realy add people to the blacklist and have also a list with the reasons?
i have 2 people on my blacklist because i saw that they have a very bad feedback in the tradearea

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noone can stop the blacklist inquisition!

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Bumping the thread.

Your reasons to blacklist are your reasons. I have mine.

While having a terrible ratio isn't one of my criterias for BL, a scammer could be one =)

That's why I'm using the whitelist to give away some games I feel good or weird enough for most of the time. If I have to do a CoD giveaway, it would be first aimed at my WL :p

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I try not to pay too much attention to this part of SG. What's pretty sad is to look up your past winners and to see that almost none of them have touched your gift... I'm personnally around 60% completion of the games I won, and it's honestly in my opinion not nearly enough. :)

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Blacklist, ignore, block, report. No discussions, it's a loss of gaming time :)

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virtual hug inbound. :(

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Bump because I have to go to the bathroom.

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nice, thank you.

you are a great painter.

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So far the only thing I blacklist for so far is the re-gifts. I mean seriously fuck those guys.

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I see trees of green, red roses too and I say to myself, what a wonderful BLACKLIST-ed

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Hell of a trip, thanks. I only blacklist people who are regifters or just don't add their wins to their library. Usually I don't blacklist those who are rude in the forums only those who are complete dicks.
Started my own whitelist today and I'm happy to say that you are on it.

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Regifting annoys me - mostly just because I don't get tetchy about people entering giveaways for games they don't even want.

I think I have expended my stockpile of games for a while - but you can be on mine also for what it is worth!

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