Welcome to my blacklist. :)
Edit 03/07: I removed you from my blacklist. If you do want to add me, go ahead though! :)
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It doesn't work that way, people don't go away if you blacklist them.
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nah, look at the ratio of his gift won/sent is 83:1 and call people idiot I bet he is on many people blacklist.
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valve accepts bots for minigames
they didnt changed anything from last time when ppl where using bots/scripts to get infinity badge
and its impossible to get for example to level 25 even playing manualy 24/7
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So you basically want to show off the badge to show everyone that you botted your way to this "very rare" item? Sorry, not my way to earn things. It's not like you are forced to level that badge to lvl 6.
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You're taking it too seriously as if it were a real game that people grinded for fun.
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Starwhite, I understand that's your point of view. From my point of view it is completly worthloss to show off a "Hey I botted my way through this" badge. It's okay with me though, just not my way of doing things. I'd want achievements because I achieved them. Not a bot, not a script, not a mate.
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You're still mixing it up with an actual game that has achievements, which in cheating is just silly. Then you're cheating only yourself out of fun had playing the game. In this case there is no such fun to be found. What if scripting and cheating were an essential part of how Valve wanted people to play it?
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Well, to be fair, this cheating actually gives you something. Higher level badges = more XP = more account levels = more free stuff given to you by Valve. Higher level Salien = marketable item per level = money for your Steam account. Through that you can make more badges, which equals more cards and so on and so forth.
This actually has something more than just random Steam achievements. These are badges and badges actually alter something other than random numbers.
Keep doing it if you want. I personally don't have much against it. It's just that saying that Valve wants you to cheat is, in my eyes, quite disingenuous. But again, keep doing it if this is what fulfills you. It'd be silly of me to say that you should stop.
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200XP and couple 1 cent items are actually worth less than having achievements from a game you like. People seem to imagine they are something super valuable when they really are not. I need 5100XP per level to even go up and I can freely give the cosmetic items to everyone who wants them (1 item per user). I haven't even bothered to look at them when I can be selling cute catgirl emoticons worth couple euros instead. So all this crying is over couple pennies that aren't even real money, all the actual profit has long been in the coffers of Valve.
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"It's okay with me" but you immediately blacklist a person who asked about the existence of Salien bots on a forum. And then you felt you have to immediately announce to the world that you blacklisted him. Hmm.
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Dude you gave away one game in the last 4 years. Would you please hold on?
Look at his ratio, but wait yours is as crappy as his. :)
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That's really lame to use giveaways to belittle someone in a completely unrelated discussion, if you didn't have any actual argument you could have remained silent instead of falling so low
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Ah, the "I spent more money on gifts than you ergo you have no right to talk to me in a totally not gifts-ralated topic" argument. Classic. Guess that's the best "argument" you came up with. Now I see that my assumption that you're a hypocritic "I'm holier that thou" attention seeker is true.
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Not at all Neona, otherwise I wouldn't reply at all. I'm not at all holy and would never see me as flawless. Had a bad day yesterday and you just slipped in. Sorry for that!
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How do you know what i want to do and what i want to show ?
Are you a wizard ?
Could not be more wrong.
Always that judgemental ?
Always know everything ?
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And you actually think that you can reach that ammount of XP without a script?
Come on, that game is literally made for scripts, people wouldn't be able to do a single planet without them.
It takes DAYS straight to level.
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Where's the irony though?
How is it ironic when someone says "I want a bot for this game" and someone responds "You're blacklisted"?
It'd be ironic if Wieme used a bot himself or if he also went around the forums, asking for it. Currently there's no irony to be found.
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Mini game is designed to use with bots/scripts. When some1 blacklists for using bot it sounds ironic.
If you still dont see possible irony here then sry, cant help you. Its one of those few things that cannot be learned. Like sense of humor and the jokes you like and you dont. Different for everybody.
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I want to add him, but he was already on the list.
10/10 disappointed :(
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Sorry to hear that Nino. 10/10 would blacklist again. :D
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you have private or wl giveaways. he didnt miss anything. why u even telling him to got blacklisted. he never seen your gibs anyway. me neither.
so i dont understand this comment. you feel powerful now becasue you pushed a worthless button?
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You are right, because he's level 1 and he would never get a chance to win a game from me. I tell him that I blacklisted him because he wants to BOT for a chance at free games. The greed of mankind is infinite.
And you are right, my giveaways mostly are for WL + private, the private ones were all posted in the forums though. Have a great day Mike!
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i can tell you at least 10 names from lv9-10 users that use a bot for this steam event, but i doubt you will blacklist them...
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they are smart enough to use google, or private messages. thats the only diference yea :/
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I've been cheating almost the whole time and sadly no blacklists for that yet :(
[09:51:38] ++ Your Score: 26,305,154 (+600) - Current Level: 24 (96.05%)
[09:51:38] >> Next Level: 26,400,000 - Remaining: 94,846
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I believe you're misunderstanding how the Steam giveaway operates.
Botting the Steam game doesn't increase your chances of winning.
How long you spend on a particular planet is what increases your chances at winning a game from that planet.
(edit: and honestly, anyone's chances are incredibly low anyway)
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We use it to get the level 6 badge for the Saliens minigame. Using any of the bots is actually decreasing the chance of winning a free game (which I am happy with, since I do not want any freebies I am not picking myself). If someone ants to get a better chance at winning a freebie, they just have to leave the browser open on the planetary view until it is conquered, which is the flat opposite of what the scripts do (they jump between planets to look for high-challenge squares).
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Okay, guess I misunderstood the intention a little bit. But botting for badges that you wouldn't reach manually doesn't seem to nice to me either.
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Your mouse will break before you get that badge without botting.
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Your problem is that you're clicking the mouse ;)
In all seriousness though, the real way to play it is by solely using the abilities. The left-click gun is useless. Just use number 1 for main damage and other abilities as support.
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I think it was calculated on reddit somewhere that it is biologically impossible to get the level 6 version of the badge by a human without scripts. It requires 16.8M XP and the highest-tier squares give 2400 XP maximum after two minutes of constant clicking, with bosses sometimes earning around 100k, but there is only one boss per planet. Same as the level 100 million badge was in the 2015 minigame, no human could have done it, yet the badge was still there.
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Wow. And a lot. Interestingly, the script only found one every few hours, which was about the speed of planet clearing, this is why I assumed it is one.
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Wow, I only saw one once and every time I tried to join it said no players found or something.
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Right, got the purpose, thanks for clearing up.
I wonder why anyone would like to achieve a badge, that is impossible to do manually and tells the story about botting, but well.
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For the additional experience. Because it bugs you that it is not the maximum level, even though there was a way to do it. Bragging rights. To be part of a large-scale community operation (SteamDB is marked as the main group for the most common script, and it managed to beat Steam Universe, a magnitudes bigger group, in many cells).
Just like the level 100,000,000 badge in 2015. The only way to get it was to have at least half of a game room be nothing but scripters who already reached ridiculous levels, so they could massively spam the wormhole powerup to breach the minigame's intended level cap and get to the program defined maximum of 100 million. (It even went beyond and glitched the minigame, but 100 million was saved in the profile). It actually needed time and luck to do it, so that badge is rare, despite the tools being available for anyone.
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When does botting become a negative form of botting? If valve makes a game that is impossible to 'beat' without a bot, are you still really 'botting', or actually playing the game the way it's meant to be played if you bot?
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Holy shit, that's ridiculous. That just messes with people to no end. Those that genuinely play it, I mean. They will work towards the top because of their addictive personalities and the need to genuinely earn their badge. And to know that it's impossible... what horrible mismanagement from Valve.
With the botting... I mean, you do you and so on. Personally I'll still find it a bit scummy, but that's because there are real rewards for it. The XP increase, the free items to sell/make badges with from account level increases and the Salien level increase. But since it's Valve, cheating the system just benefits them and through that they'll make even more money... so in the end, they have no incentive to stop it and neither do you guys.
Personally I can't enjoy something that I didn't earn, but that's probably not really the winning mentality when it comes to things like this. Be like me and you won't ever get the best, shiniest badges and so on.
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Eh, the cosmetic items are 3 cent each (so 1 cent to the seller) and turn into 10 gems. They are literally the cheapest community items possible. You also stop getting them after level 12-ish or so, which is around the maximum level a human could get without injury in two weeks.
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Valve scammed you!
You get an item per level, and three I think per special level(rank changing level)
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As far as I'm aware, you get more items during some of the levels, like Pinacho said already.
But still, you get 120 gems at the very least that's already half way to getting a booster pack. Plus, you still level your Steam account, which also gives you cards.
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Cheapest booster pack I ever saw was around 400 gems, but the average is around 1000. Very few games have badges with more than 8 cards in a set. I have seen so far maybe four or five games with over 10 cards/set (which is still 600 gems/booster).
Levels don't give you cards. Levels have an almost negligible increase in chances to get a booster. My level 32 alt account with 1000 games gets more than twice as many boosters in the same time frame as my level 186 main. The only actual use of levels is increased friend slots. (Not that I use it, nor ever will.)
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I agree, we're dealing with singular penny stocks here. But still, it has an impact and for Steam, it's not a small impact either.
But in the end, it's just dumb bickering. As I've now said around 7 times: who am I to judge you, if you're having fun with it.
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Yeah, it is strangely fun in a weird way. After level 21 (max badge level), the script switched to trying to finish planets superfast, so now it is regularly entering low-yield zones so planets can appear faster for those who are still farming for the badge, instead of actively pursuing high-yield zones. Kinda neat method to help a community in a way that pursues individual goals. This could even work as a basis of a social experiment/thesis.
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From my point of view your winning mentality is right by such a "browser clicker game" too :o)
I don't change mine too :o). I have badge level 2 and i am sure i not reach lvl 3 :-D
When other want invest there time/energy/PC power/connection speed and so on for that to have then a RARE Badge level -that can only reached by botting...- ... hm they should do it.
I think my part over that and life my life in a other/different way :-D and would be happy that nobody can find any cheated/botted/scripted badge and archivement in my Account. All made stuff are made from myself and not my comp... And i have without cheating/botting enough Archievements and badgs to show my e-penis :-D *lol*
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Yeah, I'd just feel weird if someone looked at my account and saw "Oh, you have this badge, how'd you manage to get that?" and you just respond "Oh, I couldn't actually get it, so instead I decided to just cheat it".
Different mentalities and so on. If people get joy from it then who are we to judge, am I right? :D
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Define 'cheating'.
If I ask you, what's 2362355/875682563*23424-5/4+1.6*8976, are you also gonna actually try and calculate that, or are you gonna use a calculator (bot)?
Not that I am judging either point, just trying to get you to understand it's actually probably not that far fetched from your own point of view.
And the main difference with 'bad' botting is that it is at least expected to be used. Whereas let's say on SG, no one really wants you to use a bot apart from fellow botters maybe, and you will actively get banned/blacklisted if you do use it and get caught in the act.
Intended vs unintended kinda.
In all honesty, it's actually not a bad way to get people into some basic scripting maybe. :D
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I'll define cheating, sure.
cheat, verb, act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, example "she always cheats at cards"
If I ask you, what's 2362355/87568256323424-5/4+1.68976, are you also gonna actually try and calculate that, or are you gonna use a calculator (bot)?
Well, depends on the given parameters. Like, for example, in a math class, you'd be given options by the exercise itself. Can I use a calculator? For such a problem, it can be either or. You can do this without a calculator very easily. There are techniques that you learn in the second/third grade (age 8-10) with which you can do it easily. If the exercise allows me to use a calculator, then of course I'll use the calculator to save some time.
Did the game explicitly say that you can use cheats? Did it provide you with cheats? If it did, then I'll stand corrected. But as far as I'm aware, the Salien game didn't explicitly say that you should use bots and cheats or even that you just can use cheats.
And the main difference with 'bad' botting is that it is at least expected to be used. Whereas let's say on SG, no one really wants you to use a bot apart from fellow botters maybe, and you will actively get banned/blacklisted if you do use it and get caught in the act.
So SG doesn't want you to use bots, yet Valve wants it? Again, I don't think they've mentioned that anywhere.
Just because you didn't get banned from a game, doesn't mean that it's suddenly fine. Otherwise PUBG allows cheating now. Otherwise, CS:GO would be down with cheaters, since a huge portion doesn't get caught. Almost any single-player game now wants cheaters.
Intended vs unintended kinda.
No it really isn't though. Valve most definitely didn't intend to make this game with the idea that people will make bots and use them there. They knew it's an inevitability, but they never have shown to have made this game for cheaters and to be cheated on.
In all honesty, it's actually not a bad way to get people into some basic scripting maybe. :D
Just like illegal organ harvesting is not a bad way to get people into some basic surgery. It's a hyperbole, of course, but the point is just as relevant.
Look, do what you want, as I've always said. Who am I to judge people that feel more fulfilled if they use cheats. That's why they exist, after all. But don't pretend that it isn't cheating just because the objective is impossible. Loads of things are impossible. That doesn't mean you should fake your way to the top regardless. If you want to do it, fine, go ahead. But that's no justification. Own up to what you're doing and stop deflecting it.
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Valve most definitely didn't intend to make this game with the idea that people will make bots and use them there.
All while Valve is actively encouraging people to bot the living hell out of this game? I can't see how.
Valve is pretty upfront about bots being allowed and pokes fun at people for it. The level 100M badge for MSG2015 was made specifically because of the wormhole scheme, which only became possible long after Valve knew people were botting away. Valve employees have participated and even collaborated with the scripters both in MSG2015 and now. To date, no semblance of punishment has been issued; in fact, at least one MSG2015 room had a badge glitch and Valve fixed that following user badgering request. All in all, Valve is completely okay with it.
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That's a joke, for crying out loud... "Update your cheats". An easter egg.
So when a friend asks how I've lost my weight and I say "Mainly meth and blow", would you decipher it as me actually using drugs and encouraging the use of drugs as well? Since that's not a joke, then this isn't either, right? Or perhaps all these "Removed Herobrine" jokes in Minecraft's update logs are suddenly just serious pieces of text that should be taken literally?
Valve's employees are independent human beings, who have little to do with Valve's direction as a company. To claim that they do is utterly ridiculous.
To date, no semblance of punishment has been issued; in fact, at least one MSG2015 room had a badge glitch and Valve fixed that following user
badgeringrequest.
Yes, they might not issue punishment. Do you know what other games don't issue punishment? Half-Life, Half-Life 2, The Witcher 3, EDF: Insect Armageddon, Stories Untold, Telltale Games (all of them), XCOM 1&2, Original XCOM games, The Technomancer, Mars: War Logs. Look, I can list around 10,000 games here. All are games where you can cheat and get away with it. Why? Because it's not a priority and they let you have their fun. Now, do you think that CDPR was also "actively encouraging" people to use cheats in their game just because they didn't stop it? Just because there isn't an explicit no, doesn't mean that they're cool with it.
Also, I love how you yourself cross out badgering to make a more neutral term. You obviously don't give a shit about what is actually the case. Only what suits your own agenda.
Seriously, what's with this topic and people saying "Oh, they're asking for it. Yeah, VAlve, the dirty whores that they are are always just saying "FUCKING CHEAT WITH MY GAME, YOU WHORES! I WANT IT"".
Fucking cheat if you want to. Like I've said for the 8th time now on this thread. Do it. But don't be a little bitch, trying to excuse what you're doing by saying "Oh, they secretly want it. They're really just secretly trying to get some cheats going, so they can fuck up their own market to earn less money and devalue their own badges". Like, seriously. How do you read that and think "yeah, this makes more sense than the idea that someone's just cheating and that's it". Why does it have to be this grand conspiracy when you do it?
I can't do this anymore. I give you guys my blessing. All I want is for you to be honest with yourselves while you use those cheats. But nah, let's push the envelope by now making up conspiracy theories because god forbid, you just cheat to get the badge that's unobtainable otherwise. Nooooo, that can't be it.
I'm so sick and tired of this circus act.
You won. Valve wants you to fuck their economy without lube and devalue all the items received. Valve wants you to just cheat the night away. It's a conspiracy!
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You start that wall of text with "that's a joke", yet you don't detect that I wrote "badgering" as a pun with "badge"? Rather than arguing on the internet, I suspect it would help everyone if we all went out for some fresh air, and we can discuss this later instead. :)
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Just to clarify, there's a massive difference here.
One is a joke that's devoid of any context. It's standalone.
The other is a joke at the expense of someone you already fundamentally disagree with and who you obviously don't like. The statement blends your own opinions and views with the joke part itself, causing the line between humor and genuine frustration in there to be hazy at best.
As to the pun element itself... I mean, it's just a stretch for me. Maybe I'm not good enough at English, but for me it didn't mesh because it wasn't really emphasised in a way that would make me look at the word itself, not the meaning behind it.
But fair enough. We're basically wasting time here since we disagree on a more fundamental level. It was fun discussing with you.
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Okay, I see that the pun can have been a little hard to spot. I like to write things I don't actually mean and cross them out as a joke, but sometimes it doesn't work. My apologies about that. I can also agree with ending the discussion here, since it does seem that we won't get much further.
Just one thing, though: I'd like you to reconsider the part where you say I "obviously don't like" you (assuming I understood you correctly). The next paragraph explains this.
We disagree, okay, that's natural and some disagreement is even good (I think the world would be a very boring place if we all agreed on everything), but disagreements aren't always heated and personal. From what I'm seeing, you're the minority in this thread and it might look to you like everyone and their dogs is here to kick you while you're down as punishment for disagreeing with the hivemind. I've been in that same position and I know just how miserable that experience can be, especially when you're completely certain of your views and none of the opposing arguments seem to even make sense to you. I understand that you might make you feel emotional about it. But please know this: this is not about likes or dislikes or about winning a fight. I was just trying to point out something that I thought might help you understand the opposite view a little better and perhaps even change your mind about it. I thought it could help calm things down. If that failed, too bad; it was worth a shot. But it's nothing personal one way or the other, especially because the very last thing I wanted was for this to escalate even further the way it did. Alright? :)
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Oh no, there wasn't anything heated with our argument, I think :D
I love these types of things. I didn't really think that I'm a minority, but maybe you are correct. I think that opposing views challenge people to answer them. That's why there weren't people just coming to pat anyone on the back, saying "Oh, good job, buddy" on this comment chain.
I haven't taken a discussion like this personally for years. The last time I got heated during a conversation was a few months ago now in private with another SG member. After that I've tried to look at myself more and pick my battles. Thanks to that I've not had any issues yet.
Maybe it looked like me getting angry, but I promise you, I didn't.
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Oh, okay then. :D Thanks for being reasonable about it. :)
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Even this click bait thread gives small picture about it
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/5eJN4/saliens-mini-game-is-potentially-dangerous-to-play-manually-if-you-want-to-reach-rank-3-badge
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I just got 1M XP from a boss. Pretty much only fight them, then go back to the planet I want and enter one battle there to be SURE Steam logs my time on that planet now.
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they just have to leave the browser open on the planetary view until it is conquered
I don't even think you need to leave it open. I believe you can just "land" on the planet and exit the game, and your time still registers (until you change planets).
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You just have to land on a planet like you said that it counts.
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Yup, that is correct. I always just play one game per day and just relogging has shown me that I've still clocked in 19 hours.
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You can get 3 cards, so maybe start 3 games when the cards are from interest for you. 3 are done fast too :)
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Oh dayum! I've missed out on some cards then! >:(
I've already been on a tight budget for this sale, so I've tried getting cards from the sale quite a bit.
Thanks for letting me know! :D
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You don't need to leave anything open. Aslong as you don't click "leave planet" time racks up.
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tbh i don't have an urge to up my Salien to lvl 9 or keep it playin in an effort to increase my chances in steam GAs. I play it 3 times a day for trading cards.And the amount of clicking makes me fear of carpal tunnel. I'd get the bot just to play those 3 games a day.
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Noone needs a bot to get a chance to get a game. The only thing you need is to spend time on a planet, which takes two clicks.
Do some research, then be smart.
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@wieme Do you wake up and think "Holy shit, I'm gonna be a tumor today" ?
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Everyone who has been reading these forums since the sale began.
https://github.com/SteamDatabase/SalienCheat
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What's the point in using bots? Beating up bosses is the fastest way to level up. Anything else is just wasted time.
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The bot beats all the bosses while you sleep or make giveaways here saving you precious time and money because you don't break your mice clicking.
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I don't really care if I'm missing any bosses. Those I defeat are enough to level up. Besides, fighting bosses is actually fun as opposed to the normal game that became quite boring after a while. So, once in a while, I don't mind manually fighting against bosses. Also, once you level up and unlock your upgrades you don't have to click anymore so there's no mouse breaking.
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Yay ... +25 (?) XP for each level from the badge and for each salien level a equipment for the salien that can be sold for 1 cent. WOOHOOO.
Not worth my time and i don't use a bot. I have level 2 and that was reachable without a bot, without a script, without a macro. Only MANPOWER :-D i am known for my experienced/trained fingers giggling
Each one that use a bot work on the fact that this numbers will be taken as "core datas" for future events..... So in my eyes is this a shoot in the own leg...
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When you must question that, is a discussion a complete waste of time.Your statistics fits to the "thoughts and acting by the game...
Do your way with showing botted/scripted/cheated Badges and stuff and i do it my way with self earned stuff :o)
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i was using this one, pretty cool- https://github.com/coryshaw1/saliens-hack/raw/master/saliensHack.user.js
u need tampermonkey to use it
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I'm running https://github.com/SteamDatabase/SalienCheat as a docker container
If there is a new version > git pull > rebuild container
After the event > Remove the container and everything is gone without the need to deinstall anything
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anyone have some information about?
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