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Have you heard of Bolivia? Yes! the country with no access to the sea.
Well, if you are unaware of what's happening, Evo Morales "won" the elections.
Thing is, for starters, he's been president for thirteen years, which is unconstituional. This year, however, it is worse because some years ago there was a referendum to decide if he was allowed to run for president once again and the results were no. He didn't care and still ran for it.
Now, back to the past Sunday (the 20th), when the counting of votes was at 83% the results showed that there was going to be a ballotage, but the counting was stopped with no explanation to resume the day after to show an unusual increase in the votes for Evo and declare him winner with no need for a second round.
Of course, people are mad, we don't want him as president any longer, no one should have the power for so long so some cities engaged a civic strike. We are protesting peacefully for democracy and what was his answer? He sent his people with dinamite to block the roads to prevent us from getting food.
And I feel like this is just the beginning…
So, yeah, have some stuff.
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Will things solve peacefully
tranqui choco se han sobrevivido peores, ahora se viene dias mejores para Bolivia, como siempre
I can understand you man.
My country is in war with one of the biggest countries in the world (but they says that they are not there). We are fighting for freedom and democracy. But in the same time 76% of our people tricked with stupid TV show has voted for idiot jester.. And now he is trying to ruin everything what we are fighting for.
Fight for your rights bro!
Wow, I remember when Evo Morales arrived to the power, it looked like it was a good change for the country.
Or this was the feeling I got from Europe.
I hate to see how things often turn bad in southern american countries.
Populist leaders usually turn bad around here, mostly because people start to create a cult around a politician and said politician gets corrupted with power.
At least you're open-minded and centered enough to see the "turning bad". And that's a primordial point: the "fanbase" or politican "cultists" do not see this, no matter how many proofs are gathered or convictions happen.
I live ~3.800 km away from Venezuela, but even here we have received dozens of refugees from the dictatorship that has been going on there. All the ones I met are decent people looking for job or at least an opportunity to grow and live, because it was an everyday massacre there. Yet politician minions that remain in Venezuela will tell you poverty has diminished, that all the problems that exist there is USA's fault or that it's "just a period of construction towards a more equalitarian country", etc.
100% wilful blindness.
Lots of people jumping on band wagons in this thread without really having a clue.
For some perspective this is from Pink Floyd's Roger Waters. I agree with him.
I'd honestly prefer Morales over the senator that proclaimed herself the new President without any voting or even without consulting the Senate. She's also an Evangelical - that means she is a member of a cult that is actively trying to bring forth the Apocalypse.
Sure, a change for the better /s
Morales is/was a narcotrafic king. He ignored the results of the referendum asking for a reelection (he lost). He also made fraud on the last presidential elections to perpetuate himself in power (he had been president for 13 years).
The senator doesn't proclaimed herself, she was the next in command in the country (all other leaders resigned before). And that was in the Constitution, so it's not illegal.
The beliefs of somebody doesn't represent how she will be in charge of the nation. And finally, this is a transition government, there will be presidential elections soon.
Sure, sure. Whatever you say.
Isn't my opinion. Those are facts.
What I've said are also facts. So? Didn't stop you from immediately dismissing them.
She's a part of a cult that aims to hasten the Apocalypse, and she considers all indigenous people to be the Satanists.
I need facts to believe you, so show me where did she say all that what you say. If you can't prove it, then is a lie
15 seconds in Google https://www.truthorfiction.com/jeanine-anez-bolivia-libre-de-ritos-satanicos-indigenas/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-bolivias-interim-leader-says-evo-morales-cant-run-in-new-election/ - that's against the country's Constitution.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1794259/stand-in-president-brings-back-bible-to-bolivian-politics - Bible nutcase
The freedom of though, conscience and religion is a human right. Are you against that?
Morales modified the Constitution only to be able to run again as a candidate for the fifth time (lol) https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-america-latina-49926169
The Presidents of the United States of America also swears by the Bible, that makes them Bible nutcase? https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-internacional-38672574
Stop hating someone for their religion. That's a hate crime.
Nice deflection. Way to dodge the hate crimes of the self-appointed president. I won't let you walk away from the issue at hand, though. Sorry.
Well boy, the only thing that matters is this: Evo no more. Bye dictator, the communist are crying, just like you.
Oh sure, the right-winger racist who declared herself president is not a dictator, but a guy who won an election, and offered to have another election when concerns about the first one arose is a dictator.
Won an election by fraud. Nice way to win.
No proof of any fraud has ever been presented by anyone.
Ah, but a religious person can shit on indigenous believes and try to ban them? The fuck?
And its funny how religion gets away everytime, when the Catholic Church has the record on hate against other religions or people thinking different. You heard about Inquisition? THAT is hate crime
Also you defend a coup d'etat, thats directly a crime.
(Sorry for momentarily derail the topic at hand, Petersaber)
No hay golpe de estado cuando el dictador, al verse descubierto, prefiere renunciar.
Pero bueno, sigan defendiendo a su doctrina asesina. Besos.
There's no talking to these people. He probably doesn't even live in Bolivia - on Reddit, dozens of anti-Morales and pro-coup posters were found out to be posting from... Virginia, USA.
By a guy living in Poland. Oh, the irony
Kinda sad how I really know nothing about countries from South America. I hope things will turn out good for you!
Just read any history book from the past 70 years from any South America country, same shit different colour.
You had questionable Morales who won a questionable election. Now you have a racist right-wing nutcase that proclaimed herself the president without consulting the people or the government. She's also an Evangelical - that means she is a member of a cult that is actively trying to bring forth the Apocalypse. You were burned by a match, so you jumped into an incinerator.
If I were you, I'd hope Morales' exile ends very soon.
So much ignorance in your post.
Having a different political point of view ain't ignorance.
It's ignorance when your point of view is biased without any fact
He rejected reality and substituted it with his own.
I agree. Some people just think what TV tells them.
There literally are leaked audio tapes of Bolivian military and right-wing party planning a coup with Mark Rubio and some other Americans, and these people still claim that Morales was an evil dictator and they're defending democracy...
It's all because of lithium. Bolivia has shitloads of it, and Morales was going to sign a trade deal with China, simultaneously refusing a much worse deal with USA.
Having everyone before her resigned, she was the right one to be president according to the Constitution. Also, she's temporal, her role is to call for elections and conclude the present government period.
I do hope his exile ends very soon so he can go to jail here as he deserves. cheers
"Having everyone before her resigned" - or murdered.
do you even know what you're talking about?
Yes. A US-backed coup. https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/dwf10c/we_dont_want_any_dictators_bolivians_flood/f7kar7w/
Nice, I will believe everything I'll read in the internet.
Audios without any identification and the source is an unknown Costa Rican little newspaper. Very reliable
Sure, because some dude on SG forum is more trustworthy.
I'm not telling my opinion, I give you facts. But it's ok, a communist can't think of himself.
Petersaber, you are a communist too? For pripkun half the forum is communist xDDDDDDD
If you felt identified with "a communist can't think of himself", well...
You know the wall fell like 30 years ago, right? There is no comunisim no more, you don't need to be afraid.
ok cute, but who was murdered? none of the persons who should take the president's place was murdered, you're just making up stuff
My mistake. Noone was murdered, but left-wing people were forced out of their homes and assaulted, like Patricia Arce
Man, you are so wrong. She is the vicepresident of the senate. According to the Constitution before her is the president of the senate, Adriana Salvatierra. She resigned? No, watch the video below about how the police is reducing her and not letting her access the ALP.
Are you supporting this attack to your democracy? A nice way to use the police, get rid of any political adversary and easily reach the power
She resigned publicly
then she came back saying she didn't, of course they won't let her pass
A resignation is not legally binding if its made orally, you have to make it formally embodied in a written letter. Her resignation didn't reach the parliament, they didn't let her pass, so legally she is the president still.
Also, she resigned from being the president, not the president of the senate.
Oye, le estás contando a un boliviano lo que pasa en Bolivia. Desde España. Cuánta todología!
Un boliviano ve los mismos medios que puedo ver yo. Tenemos una cosa que se llama Internet, por si no lo conocias. Dudo bastante que vosotros hayais visto esto estando fisicamente presente en el lugar no?
Y vamos, la ley es la ley, y lo que he dicho lo puedes ver tu mismo
Nah, tu puedes ver lo que los medios te quieran mostrar, y lo interpretas según tú ideología. No he visto ningún comentario tuyo al respecto de:
1.- El cambio que hizo Evo a la Constitución para poder postularse por quinta vez al poder. QUINTA VEZ.
2.- El desconocer los resultados del referendum para este cambio, en el cuál la opción NO ganó con un 51% de los votos.
3.- El fraude electoral denunciado por los auditores de la OEA, donde se da cuenta de falsificación de firmas y alteraciones de actas, entre otras irregularidades.
Pero bueno, esto fue un golpe de estado de USA, annunakis, masones y los marcianos. El santo comunismo, Rusia, Cuba y Venezuela no tuvieron nada que ver.
Y vamos, la ley es la ley, y lo que he dicho lo puedes ver tu mismo
Depende de quien tuerza la ley a su favor se decide si esta bien o mal, ¿no?
lol, que manera de desinformar los comunistas. De libro.
Si leyeras algo tío. Sé un poco crítico anda
Videogames taught me you can always win with VIOLENCE
no respawn here tho
This thread was a mistake
Así parece xD
Bueno y donde esta los jueguito que vas a sortear o venis a dar pena aca también ?
ya terminaron, viniste tarde
Alto leecher papá
my country is also going to hell so you're not alone ;D
A list, for those that don't know.
Nothing personal, just foreign policy.
You think, your country is going to hell? Try to live in Russia.
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Bolivian security forces just opened fire on the indigenous protesters. With live ammo. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/15/what-dictatorship-looks-bolivian-security-forces-open-fire-indigenous-protesters
Multiple wounded, some confirmed dead.
Jeanine Anez , the self-appointed president, called for an ethnic cleansing of indigenous citizens. https://twitter.com/204cRuiz/status/1194564823897407488
THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MORALES, GUYS! <sarcasm> This is clearly a successfully defended democracy.
Unhappily, all reasoning is useless. The far right Nazi-fascists believe only what their leader commands, they live in a group and are without a brain, scientifically they are called a "colonial organism" like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_man_o'_war. They are dangerous and highly specialized in spreading bullshit on the internet. You can't make them think, they don't have the equipment to do it. This post is full of bullshit propagators, they are worse than viruses. You can only identify them and try to help others not fall into their traps: watch out for bullshitters.
I don't post for them - I post for people who are on the fence and are uninformed - I'm counter-trolling, so people who are susceptible to trolls have an opposing view available, and thus can make up their own mind, rather than only get fed trolls' bull@#$%.
they weren't protesting peacefully. they were throwing dynamite to anything, police, reporters, civilians. is the police supposed to let them just threaten people's lives?
Oh yes, dynamite! Of course they were throwing dynamite. Several even fired their RPG-7s! And that one who did a strafing run in a in MIG-29?! Totally dangerous.
What else are you going to tell me, that they were killing puppies and children?
there you go. plus, police has captured cuban people with tons of money to pay to protesters, there's also guerrilla people among them. morales is sending innocent people to cause violence and die while he hides in mexico like the little bitch he is. truly honorable.
It's a firecracker...
Browsing that FB profile. It's far, far from objective reporting... for example this profile says that lethal force isn't used against the protesters, while we know for a fact that no fewer than 5 were shot do death.
And of course, all protesters are paid for. They always are... when they are protesting the dictator you support.
it is still dangerous, it can hurt people. and it did.
what about the cubans? and the guerilla? yo have no idea what's going on here mate. go believe what foreign media wants you to believe if your happy with it
"what about the cubans? and the guerilla?" - zero proof of these.
Meanwhile, protesters are being killed with live ammo.
idk if you can read spanish but there yo have.
one guerrilla guy among some protests was Facundo Molares, you can search about that, he's in a coma right here and of course we don't believe he's the only one.
as I said, I live here, I know what's going on.
Spreading lies from Polland, lol. Telling a bolivian guy how is his reality from the other side of the world.
There is a lot of info about cuban and venezuelan infiltrators. But you're in denial, living in a parallel reality.
So much fun
How the hell would I know if you're Bolivian? On Reddit, dozens of anti-Morales users claiming to be from Bolivia were actually posting from.... Virginia, USA. You're probably the same.
And there is no such country as "Polland".
I'm chilean. I'm literally next to Bolivia. My mistake: is Poland. Other than that, you have nothing to support your claims.
Morales authorized the use of dynamite in protests since 2016. Is a very common practice in Bolivia
You know nothing, Petersaber Snow
Protestors using dynamite: https://twitter.com/rodrygo_m3/status/1195514178146058240
Protestors and their weapons: https://twitter.com/SpaccesiAgustin/status/1195713493716144129
Venezuelans detained for promoting violence: https://twitter.com/Milleralvinom/status/1195406912801652744
Protesters being paid to march in favor of Evo: https://twitter.com/Gatitadelsur/status/1195456679858573313
Cuban detained for paying protesters: https://twitter.com/Mmorin_informa/status/1194791968968192001
What lies are you gonna say now?
they replace the reality for their own cotton candy world often, why care?
Why don't you update your thread? To be at least some kind of objective with the reality and the people watching. Now, there is TRULY a hell in your country, with civil protest and people being shot by the army, and at least 9 deaths and a hundred injured. But looks like that is not worthy of comment to you?
From your initial post in the thread you said "Of course, people are mad, we don't want him as president any longer, no one should have the power for so long so some cities engaged a civic strike. We are protesting peacefully for democracy and what was his answer? He sent his people with dinamite to block the roads to prevent us from getting food."
Now you can change it to suit whats happening "Of course, people are mad, we don't want a coup, no one should have the power without being voted, so some cities are engaged in protests. They are protesting peacefully for democracy and what was their answer? They sent the army to shot and kill protestors." Are you now against these protests as you were defending earlier the right to protest? You said Evo used dinamite to block roads, and now the people you are supporting are plain out killing innocents.
I can agree, as the OEA said, there were irregularities (and Evo should not have perpetuated himself on the power). But even OEA itself admitted Evo had majority on the elections still and they reccomended to repeat the elections. Evo agreed to repeat them, but no, the army made a coup to put whoever benefeats them or a elite.
You defended a civil war may be necessary in this thread. Now you might have it.
Nada bueno puede salir del comunismo. Demostrado.
I always try to throw in a random subject to make random GAs. At the time I was really concerned about the situation but I didn't think it would end up on this much people arguing because, well, I'm stupid I guess. I avoid politics on social media so I never really saw how it usually ends up. But now I'm sick of people like you and another bunch of foreigners here and on twitter trying to tell me what's going on in my country based on what they read on altered international media.
Añez was the one next to take de power. Do I like her? no, she's an ignorant and a fanatical. But she got there as the Constitution says she should. She didn't change laws to get there like your beloved Morales. Also her role is to call for elections and to conclude previous president period. We well have a legit president with elections.
About the deaths, well, they are protesting violently. we can't let them threaten peoples lives so it's only right that the police answers the way they did. I just hope there weren't deaths but they were calling for it. Morales is sending his own people to cause violence and die while he hides in Mexico. we have guerrilla people among them and cubans with a lot of money paying them to go there. sure man, we are the monsters here. believe that if it works for you.
I won't update the thread because I'm just tired of it. But hey, I learned my lesson.
Por decreto permite que el ejército mate sin consecuencias, y puso además al estado a su disposición.
(Twit de la CIDH)
Mejor que los terroristas actúen a sus anchas y destruyan Bolivia para traer al dictador Evo de vuelta.
Las organizaciones de DDHH se transformaron en el refugio de los criminales de izquierda.
Está claro que estás cegado por la ideología, militando desde lo antidemocrático, justificando la represión, acusando sin pruebas y creyendo sin pruebas lo que querés creer. Si te parece buena idea darle al ejército via libre para matar sin consecuencias revisá tus ideales.
Triste destino el de Bolivia, aún más triste con una latinoamérica ciega.
Represión le llaman ahora a reestablecer el orden. Te di todas las pruebas, el único que no fue capaz de presentar ninguna prueba fiable fuiste tu.
Tu súper prueba fue una simulación de resultados electorales. Una simulación y estadística. Datos ficticios sacados desde un computador.
No te preocupes, Argentina próximamente estará en la misma situación. La gente se aburrirá de la pobreza que su Presidente y su Vicepresidenta delincuente le traiga al país.
Fuerza Bolivia! Abajo el terrorismo!
Man, you were defending the right to protest when you were there, and now you are saying "I just hope there weren't deaths but they were calling for it" or "It's only right that the police answers the way they did" A nice way to justify death to people protesting (who are not your people of course) and be contrary to your believes.
Do you realize that by your mindset Evo could have done the same with you when you were protesting? Would you be ok with them killing people and legally allowing soldiers to kill civils without consequences? And that tale of them being all guerrilla people and being bought, you are delusional if you think that's the reality. They majority of people protesting are civil people like you or I. And Evo could have said the same and justify civil deaths as you are, spreading hate.
Really, no death is justified. Noone of the people who died was armed, as much as you want to believe. And making a blatant subjective thread is just desinforming people and only showing them one side of the argument, justifying oppression against the "others, because only your people matter it seems.
As I said, their protest wasn't peaceful. They were armed, as much as you want to believe the opposite.
Just 9 with 100, huh? Slow day at the office. I overestimated Evo.
Bernie Sanders gets it:
and EVO came to Mexico LOL, another country becoming socialist and getting destroyed soon, so sad
Lo lamento por México. Al parecer tienen un narcoestado por allá.
Sweet. I like his style. So maybe some killings will hopefully occur. I always said we needed a new plague, but a few murders will do just as well since the population of the Earth is out of control. Anyway, "buena suerte"! Oh sorry, I meant to say "estas jodido".