nah, not bait. just angry. i've blacklisted almost 5000 games and they still keep coming.
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He thinks that any forum thread should include some kind of giveaway.
I personally see such comments as a type of begging...
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While I can't speak for proximus' intent directly, it's actually usually a standard forum response to a spam and/or troll thread (playing off the fact that satire/shitposting threads typically have a giveaway, and thus indicating that this is a thread which can't be taken seriously [in the manner of a satire or shitposting thread] ), and doesn't necessarily have any actual implications past that.
With that in consideration, I think you might need to reevaluate a fair number of comments you've encountered on the site- while there's certainly some users who have inappropriately begged for giveaways, they're [by my experience] few and far between. Joking comments on threads like these, on the other hand, are quite common.
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I know these type of comments are common, it is just how i personally feel about them and nothing more.
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I'd say they're most likely to be ironic remarks regarding the quality of the original post
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Why would you feel something about them that you know isn't in any way relevant to what is actually intended?
That's like someone giving out cakes, and you know everyone from their town freely gives out cakes as a tradition, but you get upset because you feel they're saying you're too poor to eat otherwise. Why pick a fight over something only in your head? You should eat cake instead. I mean, it's cake, after all.
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So if someone writes "Thanks for Skyrim", what is your interpretation of those comments?
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Well, when i first saw the "Thanks for Skyrim" it was in a key drop thread, so i guess some lucky sgeer got hooked up with a copy of Skyrim. 😮
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I doubt it ;) if someone had key for Skyrim they would rather make a GA not drop a key in forums ;)
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that's reasonable. but why don't they use this money to give ok games for that price? wizardry 8 costs shit, but it's a game that should be praised.
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Well generally cheap shitty games are cheaper than good cheap games or just good games, that's why giving away tons of them are much more effective for boosting SG profile
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you are not to decide for others what is and what is not good. simple
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It's kinda hard with these games usually being bundled.
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Well other ratios and Gifts sent are raising too. And most of bundle givers don't care about their games to be played, just to give some leftovers for someone.
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yeah, but for example: Quantum break costed 10 dollars in my country - i gave it away 5 times, and i got 50 dollars to my XP in SG. That was profitable and people liked it. Deponia Doomsday - same shit, costs nothing - a lot of XP.
P.S. I'm lying! That was 200 bucks from Quantum. In Russia games are cheap. Cause we are dying in poverty, lol.
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Not everyone has access to the Russian store's innate -60% prices. Additionally, in the general SG population it is not exactly looked upon well when people give away region-locked games, especially since it is a lot easier for some regions to gain CV with their Steam prices. This is why you see a lot of people not really giving a warm welcome when they see someone who has a higher percentage of region-restricted games sent than region-restricted games won. Especially if the won games are from public giveaways.
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я думаю одна из причин дешёвых ру/снг регионах влияет даже зарплата например.
сравни цены на тот же хлеб или любые другие продукты, а так же другое.
сомневаюсь что за рубежом минимальная зарлата составляет менее 200 долларов
вот для справки
Государство Минимальная зарплата, $ Минимальная зарплата, нац. валюта
Беларусь $125 2,3 млн BYN
Россия $122 7500 RUB
Украина $120 3200 UAH
Молдова $105 2100 MDL
поэтому и наверно и никто не будет даже если игра завышена в ру/снг покупать по большой цене. разрабам всё же приходиться придумывать более адекватную цену чтоб хоть купили их игры. ну например вышла какая то игра - поставили запредельную цену и никто не купил их продукт.
были случаи когда даже на криворукую визуальную новеллу стояла цена заоблачная и на сг стояла 100Р потом отменили вроде такую цену (название не помню. в принципе можно покопаться и найти). случай с десурой был 9.999.999,99€ игра другая стоила (слыхал вроде связано была цена такая т.к десуровцы откат разрабам не начисляли
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Хочу заметить, что минимальная зарплата в Украине составляет 3200 UAH начиная с 2017 года. С 2014 по 2016 год минимальная зарплата была 1200 UAH ($45 - по курсу 2015/16 гг.). При этом цены на игры в Стиме в 2 раза выше, чем для жителей РФ даже несмотря на одинаковый region lock.
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You also have shitty indie games in your library, almost as if different people have different taste in games.
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I do? I must have won them. sorry. i wished them to be ok. but no, they aren't ok.
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You are an odd one ranting about crappy indie games but entering giveaways for them. Are you using a bot to enter the giveaways or something? If not you can just choose to not enter giveaways for crappy games and all will be good
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Maybe because "indie shit" bought in bundles is region free.
You might want to be careful to promote free downloads that are more or less illegal in most countries.
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Because the majority of people have at least some morals and find the idea of being a thief repugnant.
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Why do people always think their opinion is the only one that matters?
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Because they don't want to burn money raising their CV. Giving away a non-bundled-games is pointless as they also get bundled sooner or later ... maybe excluding Rockstar and COD games ... but you wont never understand that as games from your region cost nearly nothing ...
Edit: Forget what's written above
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no it is not, if the ga is created before the date it gets bundled, you get full cv instead of 15%
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But ... how ... from the FAQ:
Giveaways for bundle games created after the bundle date will always receive 15% of their value. For example, if you gift 2 copies of a $20 bundle game, you would receive $6 (3 + 3) in value towards your level. Keep in mind that changes to the list of bundle games will apply retroactively, so if a bundle begins today, attempting to gift the game before it's added to the list will offer no advantage. Games may also be added to the bundle list if they're available for free during a promotion, or if they're highly discounted in a sale.
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The relevant section from the part you quoted is "created after the bundle date" ;)
You can check my profile for example.... Mashed has been on the Bundle list for a while but if you check my profile with SGTools you'll see that my GAs which happened before that are still awarded full CV.
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It was added there because one person updates the list and users thought that if they didn't see a freshly-bundled game appear in 3 nanoseconds after the bundle went live on the list, then they will get full CV. In extreme cases, a game may end up on the list with a date one year before the current one, although such extreme backdating is usually rare.
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Hoffe dir ist eine Antwort auf deutsch recht.
Das soll heissen, wenn du Spiel A von einem aktuellen Bundle verlost, dieses Spiel aber noch nicht auf der Bundleliste ist, bekommst du erstmal den vollen CV. Sobald das Spiel auf der Bundleliste landet, wird der Bundlezeitpunkt auf das Releasedatum des Bundles gesetzt. Dein CV für Spiel A wird auf 15% reduziert.
Für GAs die vor dem Erscheinen des Bundles erstellt wurden bleibt der CV bei 100%.
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Danke, schön, dass ich mich doch jetzt schon mal genauer mit dem Wortlaut der FAQ beschäftige ... ich habe das immer falsch interpretiert bzw. für eine ungenaue Formulierung gehalten. Habe jetzt mal mit SGTools gegengecheckt und es ist tatsächlich so, wie Du und alle anderen sagen. Großer Aha-Effekt heute :)
@all: You are right, I was wrong. Thx a lot for the hint :)
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More clearly put:
Keep in mind that changes to the list of bundle games will apply retroactive to the bundle date, so if a bundle begins today, attempting to gift the game before it's added to the list will offer no advantage.
The phrasing could be clearer at that one spot, though 'created after the bundle date' and 'today' generally help give the correct impression. At the very least, however, you're not the first person who has been confused by it.
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At least. But now everything is clear, a big win for me. I can see clearly now.
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Quite good so far! But although I doubt you know these guys in the US, I more meant this way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilzAPy3nhrc
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Asterix! I haven't read those books since I was a kid. )
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Second learning today :) You know these in the US^^
I never read a comic of them, only looked these films. This is this kind of film that u can watch always, with no exception.
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Same here. I used to love those. Now I want to read them again...
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How you can know that a game it's piece of shit or a great game without play it? Even the shitty games can be collected mostly to get cards to trade or up some levels.
Not every indie game it's a piece of shit and not every AAA are good games.
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Wow... Support actually enforcing the rule about promoting piracy... I'm impressed :)
Edit: Apparently that was not the reason for OPs suspension.
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Interestingly, there's no rule against promoting piracy in either the help pages, or the suspension list.
It looks like the OP was most likely suspended for Inappropriate Behavior + Spam, however, so apparently that's what it falls under- assuming it was the piracy element that actually earned the suspension, and not overall counter-site sentiments.
Given how often piracy is discussed on this site without issue, it seems unlikely that was the deciding factor in itself (but rather due to the context by which it was presented).
Edit: In reference to Brian's comment, below:
That in no way indicates a relation to the discussion or promoting of piracy, but rather, references the posting of pirated contents or links to such. Likewise, you can discuss pornography without issue (else even quoting that rule'd be of concern..), and there are plenty of users on the site that openly speak well of it on a regular basis, but you can't post actual pornography or links to pornography to the site. Well, unless it's softcore porn- apparently that's okay, judging by how regularly that appears on the site.
There are also several similar rules- such as how a user may be suspended if they post copyrighted materials onto the site [if the copyright holder protests]. Again, same effect as the quoted rule, it works against open piracy, not the discussion of copyrighted materials or promotion of their illicit obtainment.
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No, I was just guessing because OP doesn't have any obvious infractions.
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When they want to suspend you they will take anything you say and turn it against the rules (users/reportaholics, not the staff). I don't see his post saying "go do" anything with piracy. Nor offering any advice how, where, etc. All I see is hmm let's suspend this guy, he said "is it so tough to use torrents". Let's keep in mind that " torrents" ARNT illegal and many games/movies/books etc etc are actually freely distributed among torrents LEGALLY. That's not to say Doom/GTA5 is legal, those are copywrited works.
Stupid topic, yes, promoting piracy? I don't think so. Stupid to me because " a shitty game" is relative to the person playing. My friend always gives me shit for the games I play but he'll I find them fun. He's one of those why play non AAA titles type of people.
If the word "torrent" means illegal/piracy to you then you need to educate yourself. Piracy is piracy. Torrenting is not piracy.
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I think you meant to reply to Sundance?
Sundance was the one promoting the piracy angle, I was indicating that I didn't think it was the foundation of the suspension- staff is reasonably consistent in suspending users who make hostile remarks toward the giveaways others give away on this site. The piracy element likely helped angle the 'inappropriate behavior' sentiment, and may have been the cause of them stacking both spam and inappropriate behavior- however, given a lack of any indication of rules against discussion of piracy, and a lack of evidence in the past of opposition toward such, it's dubious to expect it to be the primary basis of the suspension.
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It was a long winded +1 to your comment Not directed at you but beside your comment. But not directed at Sundance either. Just in general.
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When they want to suspend you they will take anything you say and turn it against the rules.
Our Support staff do not operate that way.
As for the torrent comment, while ill-advised, it was not grounds for suspension.
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That was not directed at support staff. The users all ranting about his "promoting of piracy" (see, its fairly easy to misinterpret the meaning behind what is said, we all think we know but were just putting our own spin on what we read)
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As for the torrent comment, while ill-advised, it was not grounds for suspension.
Thanks for clarifying this. I'm glad to hear that's not the case--the very idea seemed ridiculously over the top and extremely damaging to all kinds of legitimate discussions and viewpoints without even any practical benefit at all
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there's no rule about avoiding piracy talk, that's from steam forums.
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There's that bit from the General Section of the Guidelines BrianFarnet quoted above. However, it is up for debate if that is considered a rule or a suggestion since it isn't listed seperately on the Suspensions page.
Going by observation I would probably say that discussing piracy is ok (Denuvu thread) as long as it's not explicitely encouraged but there seems to be no real rule about it.
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support doesn't suspend for talking about porn (they don't even suspend for posting nude pictures) and it's mentioned in the same faq/guidelines as piracy.
besides, his suspension length doesn't match anything remotely similar to piracy.
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(they don't even suspend for posting nude pictures)
They've done that in the past. I guess context maters, and how the nudity is portrayed.
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(they don't even suspend for posting nude pictures)
I'd like to see that being put to the test. Someone please start a nude selfie thread. (I can't do it myself, I'll be suspended for causing undue distress to others.)
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There's that bit from the General Section of the Guidelines BrianFarnet quoted above.
That's meaningless to the topic.
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So you're basically saying the Promoting Piracy angle does not apply because (just like Gleam GAs) you can't promote piracy without providing a link ? I never thought about it like that but that would make it easier to tell if something promotes piracy.
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I'm not so sure about that. My first suspendion on SG was for promoting proxy/VPN usage. How did I "promote" it? There was a price glitch in Ubi Shop in few countries, I commented that using proxy/VPN is meaningless, I tried it, but they were cross checking adress associated with PayPal or couuntry of your CC and if it didn't match IP not processing payment. I did not name any VPN I was using, didn't provide any links to proxy gate or actually any links at all. I still got suspended just for mentioning proxy usage, because it could "encourage others to use it".
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Interesting. I assume for some rules there just isn't enough clarification how they are ment to be handled so every support member interpretes them slightly different.
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All i need to know is Country check...
State of mind :)
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Why do people think, that downloading games, you have no right to download, is totally ok?
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Because they're entitled little brats. They want a game - they are entitlred to have it. They don't have money for it? Doesn't matter, they want it so it's totally fine to steal it from greedy developers ;p
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Because majority of games in russian Steam-store are region locked. We do not have an option to buy region free versions in Steam, you know. Unless you use some side party stores of course.
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There are hundreds of official key stores (not to mention grey market ones, trading etc) that do sell ROW keys to russians. But plottwist - russians would have to pay the same amount of money all rest of us has to pay to buy these keys for GAs, how3 unfair! :D:
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And plenty of such stores sell region-locked keys now (((
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so? loads more sell non-region-locked. Saying I cannot buy in these stoires because some minority of them sell region locked keys is just an excuse, anyone living in locked country can still easilly give non-locked games if he/she wishes to. I know many russians, south americans, india people and so on and on who are able to freely make GAs in ROW groups and events, there are terns of key stores that sell ROW keys, there are thousands of traders around, there are places like tremor where you can exchange your time for ROW keys and so on and on.
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So, why do I need to look up for this hundreds of key stores when I can simply buy gift in Steam? That is some extra effort. And, well, paying the same money as some USA citizen is fair indeed, but not gonna happen unfortunatly. You see, today's average wage in Russia is around $700 per month (in case you need my comment on that number, in my area even half of it will be considered as decent payment). You can not really buy games at normal prices with this kind of money. I think you should know this problem well, my slavic brother. Since average income in Poland not that much higher than ours, and you being charged in euro on Steam.
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Noone is forcing you to buy ROW keys, I simply stated you can buy Region free copies. And obviously you bring up US, yet guess what - most of the world do not earn as much as US, avg wage in my country is 600$ and we do not get 60% off Steam prices yet I'm not crying over it. And most of ppl will not earn these 600$ as well here. In many european countries (Central Europe and Balkan countries) average wage is comparable to russian or evel lower (even down to 350$ in Albania), so you say you poor thing in your region earn half of russia avg wage? In whole Albania avg wage is this of your poor regions.
All I stated is that even for russian buying ROW games and making ROW GAs is possible (and a lot of russians do so in ROW groups and events), sticking to just region locked GAs is a choice, not neccessity. Ofc everyone is free to make their own choices, but these what these are - choices, something you choose, not something you are forced to.
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Alright, I heard you.
But one more thing: I bring up US because prices balanced around it. I am aware that Russia isn't poorest country around. It is shame publishers are not willing to lower prices to affordable level. I saw what positive impact it can make at piracy situation. A decade ago every one would say youre lunatic if you buy a licensed game. Now it's almost opposite: piracy no more considered as totally acceptable among people.
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$700? In Ukraine, the average salary is $150-200 if you aren't lucky enough to work in a foreign company like Samsung. And yet our prices are twice as high as for Russia (although games have the same region lock for some reason).
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Average salary in Russia is about 200-250$ atm (minimum wage is 136$). 1 AAA game costs 35$. Many games have much higher price compared to other countries. Buying row keys on various market places is more profitable than in russian steam store. Dunno what u r talking about
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Why do you feel the need to enter for indie shit games then? Don't worry, you won't be seeing any of mine in your feed anymore with that kind of attitude.
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you mostly do invite only and group giveaways you dont need to blacklist people to make them not see your giveaways. we cant see them anyways. lol
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Actually, he has about 86% public, never judge on the last pages. (Sgtools can be used for this info)
It's also about sending a message.
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You must look beyond the first few pages young padawan. I do most of my GA's in large groups of 50+, so pages at a time. I have 1857 public GA's completed, 131 group/whitelist, and 161 private GA's, all of which were posted openly on the forum. 44% of my real CV is public, 25% is private once again, these are posted on the forum only and 30% groups, most of which are fairly large.
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I don't really torrent anymore, I used to a long time ago since I didn't have a way to get games legitimately. Now thanks to Steam and other gaming platforms I don't have to worry about that anymore, and indie games need even more help against piracy.
Also, I do enjoy some indie games from time to time, sadly some not so great indie games managed to flood the steam marketplace, but don't let that think every indie game is trash, there are some good stuff out there! :D
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There might be a point to your thread, but the way you worded it makes you sound like a complete asshole. Suggesting piracy is a big no-no. Like others mentioned, stick to wishlist if you are tired of hiding games.
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There is no point what so ever, calling every indie just shit, while there are so many good games. And a majority actually likes the "shit". Just because it's fills his list and too lazy to filter and can't be bothered to ignore it, his problem.
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I obviously didn't meant the calling every indie game shit part. More like collecting shovelware that they'll never play, and let's admit it, there is plenty of that on steam.
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There are lots of great indies ofc! Heck, majority of games I did play over the last few years and enjoyed are indies, AAAs are maybe like 25-30%. BUT - sadly majority of indies on Steam nowadays are shit indeed, shovelware, asset flips, games developed purely to make cards and profit from market. 4000 games got released on Steam last year, 95% of them if not more were indies. And how many of these were good indies? Maybe few hundreds. I tend to scroll through all new Steam releases once a month to add intresting stuff to my WL. And usually I will find max 1-2 worthy games per page, rest being pure garbage. On the other hand winning even such garbage may have a point - collecting bigger library, farming cards to buy good stuff, or just playing bad games for lulz ;p
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Why not, leftovers for us and someone would like to have it or really want play it, soooooooooo why not? (or only want +1 to library? their choice)
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Why though? It's not like ranting is against the rules.
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Promoting piracy.
[Edit: I was wrong, as several people were kind enough to point out.]
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Actually, Khalaq said that was not the reason. My guess is inappropriate behaviour.
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Nope.
It was easy to find why he was suspended though.
It's a basic site rule.
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Probably inapropriate behaviour. He's not really nice about it...
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What? Boo is outraged! See his fury! It's small, so look close. Trust me, it's there.
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