rus invaiding hohland, bombing, raping since 1980ye - status^?
victims... red urk cross
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Вот за это вас и не любят... за то, что выпиваете в чате!
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Moderators, please block this Kremlin trollbot, whole topic in his worthless messages.
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Dude has been calling a moderator a baboon and Nazi and got no suspension at all. Yet another user in this topic has been suspended for far less. I want the luck this guy has.
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Who was suspended?
But, yeah, I can't understand how those characters aren't banned yet
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Starwhite, not 100% sure if it was due to this topic or if his messages whas deleted. But I was kinda confused why they got suspended while this dude can just throw insults and get scot free.
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Well, Starwhite is getting a little bit too far sometimes — probably, someone has reported him/her. But at least this suspension is for one day only.
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Nope, I get mine all on my own on other topic to take a short break because I was drinking with friends the whole weekend.
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I heard enough on the internet to not be offended by being called baboon or Nazi. For me it's just petty way of throwing stuff on someone when you don't have arguments. I will see how thread looks like tomorrow.
I would be more willing to suspend when another user is attacked. Unless someone would say my family should die or smth.
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He called whole county terrorists - doesn't it qualify as an attack on other users? Even in this comment, he is calling Ukrain "Hohland" (khohol or hohol is an ethnopholism, a derogatory and insulting nickname for Ukrainians) and the Ukrainian Red Cross an "urks" (Урка — slang thief, thug)
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I mean, breaking rules is breaking rules. A rando starting to sling slurs or insults towards me would not offend me, but they'd probably be banned too just for breaking the rule. So I don't see how this os any different. But at the end of the day its your (and other moderators) call.
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it's good to leave the writings for a moment so that users can identify who deserves a place on BL
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Threads like this should be multiplied. Disinformation is huge right know, we must inform all people who are unsure about whole situation.
I sent some money to Red Cross UA but it won't help much.
Stay safe to all people defending their country, love from PL
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To help out Ukraine, we all - based on my personal opinion - should do sthg. Each an everybody of us can do 1 step, to help out.
For me, this means that any future giveaway I will post - will be banned to be won in RU or BY. Like rest of the western World is doing - banning a trade relations with Russia completely.
Same I will also impose on trades on Barter. No trades to RU & BY users. Maybe then the people can vote down the government in those countries, for imposed sanctions.
This is what I am going to do. Anybody else, can follow me up. 👍
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Those are still "my games to give" & therefore I can "give them to whoever I feel like it". So it is just small thing, but we do it one step of the time.
& yes, not buying on Russian sites also. But all my games are on trusted western sites, anyhow.
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Yeah, sure, blunt nationalism is the way to go. Because, obviously, every Russian supports our government and this war. And results of our elections aren't drawn by hand at all. And any kind of public protest isn't punishable by law. But sure, do your worst, fight your righteous war if that makes you feel better. This will help Ukraine immensely.
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+1 Not from Russia or Ukraine, but I also don't think everyone in Russia is at fault for this, primarily they just have the wrong leadership.
The sanctions most countries have put in place is to prevent Putin and his rich entourage from enjoying their life outside of Russia, or at least in some of those countries in NATO. Putin's responses in general is to make sure none of his people or public from somewhere else have that freedom available either. He's acting like a baby.
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I'm from Russia and I don't think that this kind of "sanctions" would have any positive effect. You can do it, of course — it's your right. But it wouldn't change anyone's mind. Not to mention that there is no way to "vote down the government" in our country anyway.
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But so far I have got a 2 people (probably from Russia) to blacklist me. While I have not blacklisted anyone, based on politics.
Not so nice, from your comrades. Not nice at all. 👎
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They aren't my "comrades". In one day I've got more blacklists for my comments in this thread than in a few previous years — but I couldn't care less about it.
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Currently I am at +5 "Putin followers"...but also do not care!
& have put money, where my mouth is...made several giveaway of more than $100 worth of games (Steam price), which is not eligible for Russia & BY.
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So you are basically saying that just because someone is from Russia, even those who are standing up against the Russian government and this war, should face trading and gifting restrictions?
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No. But you can protest & change government on next elections. Russia is supposed to be democracy.
When you change or revolt against war in Ukraine - I will be happy to gift you also. Till that time, I am with EU & NATO, imposing sanctions in giveaways & trades. 👍
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а как вас делить? у вас одинаковый паспорт и одинаковый президент. а испугавшиеся перебежчики потом будут скулить, что "мы никогда его не поддерживали". как-то так.
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Ukrainians are badasses.
They shall prevail without a doubt.
RIP 13 heroes of Snake Island.
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No one died on this island. All frontier guards surrendered.
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What anime you live in? Theres a video of a russian tank driving over a car with civilians insider and I'm supposed to believe some butterfly magic happened there where they just surrendered even though they have been confirmed dead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCBaH1Pjywc
I thought the Russians were coming in peace?
The #1 thing you should be doing right now, is turn off whatever media you listen to. Or if you're so content on listening to it, then make notes of it somewhere, so you know later they're all Putin's propaganda outreach and it's all lies. You know your presidents full of poo and you can't trust anything he says when literally Facebook has to ban all Russian state media across the world because they're pushing out information that isn't true in absurdly large volumes that even facebook said "it's not worth the money".
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Its not a russian tank. it's anti-aircraft missile comlex "Стрела-10" of the armed forces of Ukraine.
There is a videos of this moment of better quality and other angles.
Think logically. If this is a Russian anti-aircraft missile comlex what is it doing in the city? It is a Ukrainian AAM that is "defending" a Ukrainian city.
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Russia also use the Strela 10 ... they even got 450 of them.
And they are there to try to knock out Ukrainian air forces.
And finally Ukraine's own army would not change course to intentionally drive into a tiny little Ukrainian car.
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Engaging the logic. This happened in Kiev which is controlled by Ukraine. "Strela 10" is anti-aircraft missile complex(For air protection, not for the ground attack!).
How could he get that far? No one shoots at him.
What is he to do in the city if he is Russian? Defend the city from Ukrainian air attacks? But as I said before the city is still under Ukrainian control.
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Well whether it was Russian or Ukrainian Strela who knows.
Media outlets do reports that that tank was being driven by pro Russian saboteurs. Even Russian CIT confirms this.
As I have said before, Ukrainian army going after tiny little car does not make sense at all.
Arkham razor.
( Unless the driver looked exactly like Putin, in which case I would roll the dice as well and go for it.)
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Ok. This is a Russian saboteur inside a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile comlex.
Logic again.
Which is more profitable?
1) To crush the accumulation of Ukrainian troops
2) Shoot down Ukrainian helicopters
3) Drive over a single civilian vehicle
Next.
Why was he allowed into the city and not stopped? Are air defenses in the city(not on the outskirts) with the tall buildings the norm? What happens if he shoots something down over the city or the air target will hide behind the building?
If he was allowed into the city then hiding behind the civilian population is the norm. And it's scary!
(It's not Putin. Putin rides a bear)
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- I am sure that vehicle has been disabled by someone in the end, just shooting at it won't do much. It's not like my NISSAN car.
- Saboteurs likely don't have the necessary training to aim for helicopters.
- Definitely looked like a window of opportunity moment.
Next
Saboteurs are not going to tell that they are saboteurs...
Tall building sure but check 2.
Yes it is scary, Belgian journalists today got surrounded by a mob because local people believed that they were saboteurs too.
Putin rides a bear ... that one made me smile. :)
Kill all bears and immobilize Putin.
In the end logic still dictates that it wasn't Ukrainian army aiming for their own Ukrainian citizen.
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If the saboteur was targeting one civilian man in car then he have been easier to kill any other civilian with a brick. And he wouldn't have been found. Why the complication with Strela-10?
There are a lot of fakes now and they are hard to refute. But this one is a clear fake which is explained by simple logic.
P.S. The incident itself is true but it is Ukrainian troops, not Russian
P.P.S. The man in the car survived
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I think we can agree that it was a very shitty thing to do.
Maybe one day we will know for certain however unlikely.
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Ukrainian Border Service seem to believe magic is real too,given how they've also confirmed the survival of the so-called "dead" troops (through gritted teeth,of course) after RusFed abracadabra'd them to Sevastopol.
Theres a video of a russian tank
First off,I don't know if you know this,but pretty much all the tech there is russian.You need to be a biiiiiit more specific when mentioning it.
Second,this particular "russian tank" is clearly seen here at the end-an ukrainian Strela-10 without the armament prowling in the center of Kiev (an important details for a key reason that I truly hope you'll figure out without my help) without the rockets for...who knows why.
Whats also interesting is that a now-missing 3-minute vid revealed that there was some weird firefight going on right next to where the AA thingy was driving around (you can see an armed trooper & the rear-end of a truck involved in the mess in the right corner of the previous vid after the 1:40 mark).It would seem that the driver lost his shit due to the gunfire & barrelled into the poor civie.
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One said: "They killed them!" - "F*cking russian!!11"
Russian said: "No, they surrender!" - What's your source for that?
There is a video on RT telegram that shows 82 frontier guards surrendered from this island. You can say it's Russian propaganda. But "RIP 13 heroes of Snake Island." has only a verbal statement. No video, no photo. There was no point in killing them. This island is not dangerous.
There are a lot of fakes on both sides now (such is the war). Every video and statement should be thought carefully before you believe it.
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rt message does not contradict the original message, it could be 82+13 easily.
on the other hand we do know that rt is sraight putin's propaganda that also denies it's a war and calls it a peaceful military operation instead.
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There are other videos with interviews of captives (TV channel "Звезда").
Anyway, the war is death on both sides and we will never know the whole truth.
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звезда is putin's garbage military propaganda channel.
more fake news please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL2Vog6N1EU 0:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIsh0vVgI64 0:58
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rt message does not contradict the original message
So all the troopers from the island surviving "doesn't contradict" the original story about them "all being killed".
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Enough audio recording videos circulating on YouTube at the moment of the interaction between the Russian Warship
Can't trust the Russian media propaganda machine anyway...
Just war games, don't throw a hissy fit ... they said ... a few days later ...
Genocide going on in the Ukraine... they said
Special little mission ... he said
No civilians structures are targeted... they said as they bomb Kyiv
82 guards captured they say, yet no video of them circulating... would be easy I would say to show that the 13 didn't die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wnKi3r0ch0
Russia = Lies.
( Not that the other side doesn't lie but I rather stand with Ukraine on this one, after all Ukraine are the good guys here.)
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Yes, everything Moscow says is a lie. Everything the others say is true. I don't see any point in arguing further.
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You see no point because you haven't got any point to argue you are a victim of RT propaganda war machine.
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You should preface your statements by saying you're against the war if you are. Otherwise your statements will be dismissed outright. You were right to say this though, it looks like you were correct.
One thing to remember is there is literally zero reason for Ukraine to lie, or use propaganda. The overwhelming majority stand with Ukraine. From footballers in the Premier League, to Elon Musk, to Revolut, the only people in favour of this Russian aggression are the idiot Americans who still love Trump and brainwashed Russians. And the worst thing is, regardless of the outcome, Russian people will pay the consequences for decades. Public opinion has been sent back to the Cold War.
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Well, you can more or less believe to such Russian media as Дождь | Rain, Новая газета | Novaya Gazeta, Медиазона | Mediazone and Медуза | Meduza. The rest are mostly owned or controlled by the government. And there is no point to believe in kremlin ones since they were lying and spreading hatred for years (even when there is no point to do it).
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Во-первых, это сайт раздачи игр. Вы уже задрали со всех утюгов орать про политику. Во-вторых, автор и его поддержавшие или тупые откровенно, или усиленно притворяются дурачками, что более вероятно. Только полный идиот или клоун может орать, что не понимает, что происходит, зачем это все и т.д. Вчерашние нацики и гарные хлопцы, ненавидящие все русское и русский язык вдруг превратились в русскоговоорящих украинцев. Смешно
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Доброе утро. Я тебя не исправлял и не собираюсь. Да, война. И что? За что боролись, на то и напоролись. Если ты реально туп и не понимаешь, что происходит в действительности и почему, то могу только посочувствовать.
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чушь полная. это раз. я оскорбил лишь тебя в том контексте, что ты не видишь в упор что к чему вообще. мне лично всех жалко - людей по обе стороны, обычных людей. странно как ты заговорил, что страдает бедная бабушка твоя... а бабушки Донбаса 8 лет страдают и тебе, о чудо, было плевать, я уверен в этом. Моя Россия? чел, а ты уверен, что я проживаю в России? или тебе настолько засрали мозги, что мнение отличное от официальной доктрины Зеленского, может быть только у граждан РФ? забавно. Здоровья бабушке
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интересно, по каким признакам ты определяешь, что я не украинец? а ты не думал, что не все украинцы придерживаются "прогрессивной политики запада"? ах да, я посмел усомниться в том, что чморить 8 лет русское население - это гуд, оказывается. нет, не покажу. тебе достаточно лишь осознать, что русские (вот это да!!!) живут не только в России или Украине. Достаточно лишь понять, что если бы вас хотели действительно бомбить, то уже давно бы сровняли с землей всю страну. однако, о чудо, этого не происходит. потому что ваша же собственная власть, используя современные средства и технологии, с удовольствием засирает всем мозги. нет. я не говорю, что в той же России все идеально. У соседа трава всегда зеленее, как говорится. Однако данную ситуацию только полный дурак будет воспринимать лишь в одной, удобной для него/нее, плоскости.
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Да, пожалуйста. Раз тебе нравится, то на здоровье. Тогда искренне не понимаю, почему ты недоволен тем, что в уютном подавле приходится прятаться. Уж прости за этот цинизм, Устал уже просто слышать как одни бедные украинцы страдают, а русские на Донбасе нелюди и недостойны жизни. Поблагодари тогда свою власть, которая на протяжении 8 лет отказывалась РАЗГОВАРИВАТЬ и только нагнетала русофобию и служила подстилкой США. Думаешь я всецело поддерживаю правительство РФ? Нет, я не во всех вещах солидарен. Только одно дело не соглашаться так сказать с "политикой партии", а другое дело откровенно делать вид, что не понимаешь причин сложившейся ситуации. Что ж, большинством голосов вы себе выбрали тех, кто вашу страну привел к такому результату
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извращаешь слова про нациков и пишешь на английском, что я якобы всех украинцев нациками назвал? я сказал что "вчерашние нацики стали вдруг русскоговорящими украинцами". и я не говоорил про ВСЕХ. ну ты и урод. настоящий долбоеб. желаю тебе подольше в подвале посидеть и не вылезать оттуда 8 лет. может тогда поймешь на своей шкуре, что такое, когда тебя обстреливают постоянно. справиться они могут - справляйтесь! че не справились то до сих пор?! разговаривать нужно - с вами пытались говорить. воощем иди лесом. лично тебя и твою семью вообще не жалко после того как ты, как и любой другой лижущий западу жопу, мудак, извращает все и переворачивает с ног на голову. можешь не кудахтать больше. не вижу смысла вести разговор с таким идиотом.
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ой. у кого-то попа воспламенилась да? пиши адрес. пришлю огнетушитель
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Раздач игр будет теперь намного меньше, особенно для тебя лично. Не беспокойся.
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Для меня лично? Серьезно? Лол. В ООН пожалуешься, чтобы я не участвовал в розыгрышах? Детский лепет какой-то
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Ну давай, говори по существу. Или ты кудахтать только можешь с дивана. Веди себя как мужик, а не как тряпка. Знаешь сколько я таких как ты уже видел за свою жизнь? Тех, кто любит кичиться, что будет якобы плохо кому-то там, а по факту лишь воздух портят .
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ясно. школота. типичное поведение. сначала ляпнуть что-то и угрожать, а потом усиленно делать из себя оскорбленного.
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ну так я жду. где твои репресии по поводу того, что для меня будет меньше раздач. Особенно для меня, как ты выразился. Ой... сказать то нечего, да?... какая жалость...
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Все обратили внимание? Что ни бессовестная русская сволочь - так обязательно профессиональный халявщик!
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боже мой. вот это прикол. молодец, молодец. быстро нашел как выкрутиться :) так получается тут все халявщики, кто участвует в розыгрышах? ой. кто-то тут орал, что я всех украинцев ЯКОБЫ оскорбил (не ты, не ты, а то лопнешь снова). но зато всех русских обсирать - это пожалуйста. ой, ой, ой. может быть это у кого-то другого биполярочка? ммм :) да, я бессовестная сволочь - я говорю в лицо тебе и таким как ты факты. но правду признавать тяжело, понимаю. да, я люблю халявку, как и любой другой на этом сайте. ты же не станешь этого отрицать? и ты халявщик. ты же тут зареган. к твоему сведению у меня куплены игры не только в стиме. но ты, разумеется, придумаешь еще кучу якобы "доводов", что я такой плохой. хехе. ладно. не бомби, пупся. выпей чайку с ромашкой и марш в окопы
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ну ладно... все, значит, такие!
(В Америке-то, вообще, негров линчуют!)
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вот жопу-то разворотило ебанату... дай угадаю, у тебя батя на фронте сейчас? украинских хуев выгребает? сочувствую.
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ты свои высеры с самого начала перечитай, деточка. о. про родителей дело пошло. последний довод дегенератов? :) ммм, мой любимый момент воспламенения таких вот дурачков. наверное, следующий твой пост будет про маму? а потом что? ну так что там про запрет участвовать в розыгрышах то? особенно для меня? отвечай за свои слова.
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это не только сайт раздачи игр. странно это читать, когда ты сам зашел в ОФФ-ТОП
путин официально объявил о нападении на украину, тут даже боты не спасут. такое просто невозможно оправдать. но плохие для тебя почему-то именно украинцы, да
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А что это еще? Сайт поныть? Зашел, потому что увидел очередные вопли на основе искаженной реальности. Для меня украинцы плохие? Ага, ага. Ты, как и многие другие, очень любишь видеть только то, что тебе хочется видеть. Я думаю бесполезно такому твердолобому доказывать, что ни единым словом нигде в моей комменте нет неприязни к украинцам, россиянам или кому бы то ни было.
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Сначала называешь всех украинцев нациками и идиотами, потом говоришь, что ни единым словом неприязни ни к кому не высказал. Биполярочка?
First you call all Ukrainians nazis and idiots, then you say that you haven't expressed a single word of dislike toward anyone. Bipolar disorder?
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Ты ебанутый? где я назвал всех украинцев нациками и идиотами? очередной шизофреник, который видит везде оскорбления
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I'm very happy for you that you've decided to write your paranoic delusions in English. You are a total asshole. I've never called all Ukranians nazis and iditots. Please, go visit a doctor, but I doubt he would help you
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Только что зарегился и давай учить людей, которые тут десятки лет тусят правилам сайта - типичный рузке мир!
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Ok. With some help of google I've done translation of my previous post to english. Sorry that it's not a grammatically good text - it was russian text originally (see page 5 of this topic) and I am not very good with english. But I painfully want to share it.
I really don't like write about politics. React to other people's posts - yes, but I don’t like to write myself .... let me write about it, since we are all shaken by stress here.
What's wrong with posts about politics? 90% of posts on political topics are discussions about who and why we should hate. Moreover, this is not a trend of recent days, this is a basic idea. It can be hate to "enemies of freedom" or "murderers" or "capitalists" or "barbarians". But almost always it is a conversation about hate, not personal, but mass hate, hate to a significant social groups.
Close the window, draw the curtains, turn off the computer. Forget everything you've heard about people, think about yourself and your loved ones. And in silence, say: hey, do you really think that we SHOULD hate people (no matter which)? I'm not even talking about the "violence is not an option" thought that has faded over the years, and not about the "love your neighbor" that has faded over the centuries. I'm talking about the fact that dividing people into "ours" and "strangers" (normal / abnormal) on the basis of hate ещ others is something not right .... This is a shot in the head of our own humanity, which we are asked, and sometimes demanded to be done.
I refuse to shoot myself in the head.
This is not a call for non-violence or all-forgiveness. In our complex world, there is a place for punishment and, at times, coercion. But it is not hate of other people that should feed them. And if you read this text as a condemnation of people who hate... read it again. And then close your eyes and think about what to do with your hate.
Of course, I can easily imagine how in response, from any side of each barricade, it can be thrown to me: "How dare you call to calm down when the damned capitalists / communists / terrorists / barbarians are doing SUCH THING!". That's why I dare. Because the other side will say the same thing.
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There are nazis in Ukraine, and thst is worrying, true. There is even a neonazi militia
BUT
The total vote count of the naonazis parties is less than 2%, they have only 1 seat in a 450 seat parliament
Moreover, the current elected president is a jew
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There are nazis in literally every country, including russia
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Agreed. But not that many with seats in the parliament
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if Putin haddn't invaded eastern europe in 2014 and haddn't made the Crimea annexation this froup would have not existed
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I mean, you are not wrong, to be fair. I agree with you that Putin is the one mostly responsible. But there could have been a self-defense batallion that wasn't neonazi.
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I guess the people living in those contact areas didn't give a shit about who defends their borders, and can you blame them for wanting to defend their country? This would have probably happened in every country that gets invaded by a occupier that has more militarily power than the local military. Neo nazis are everywhere.
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You read my text in Russian so I hope it's clear that I mean that even "Band of drug addicts and neo-Nazis" are people I refuse to hate.
I think it's very complicated construct why this hate is bad. So I focus on humanity and repeating more and more and more....
I refuse to hate Nazis.
I refuse to hate Fascist.
I refuse to hate Communists.
I refuse to hate Capitalists.
I refuse to hate Jews.
I refuse to hate Russian.
I refuse to hate Ukrainians.
I refuse to hate government.
I refuse to hate opposition.
I refuse to shoot myself in the head.
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It is worth recalling that the war crimes of the Nazis (fascists) were proven and condemned by the International Military Tribunal at the Nuremberg Trials.
Don't lump everything together.
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And these crimes were punished.
But it's just crimes and punishment. Justice. No hate.
Just fact of name "Nazi" should not be reason for punishment (or even declaring eternal damnation) without crimes.
After all Schacht was acquitted...
I'm not defending Nazis as innocent. I just call for difference between crimes and 'being part of them'. For the sake of humanity, our ability to see human in every human being. I believe many Communists, Capitalists, members of government etc. committed crimes. But we should judge them fo their crimes, not for being part of community (nor for crimes of other members of community)
Also name could be placed on the community by someone else. Maybe some crazy man call me (or you) "Nazi"... I believe we should not be punished just for that (as it's not even my or yours action).
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The Nazis have done so much that they will never become kind and fluffy - this term has become a household word. All those who identify themselves as Nazis accept their ideology of Nazi racial politics - are you sure that you belong to a superior race and should not be destroyed as part of their "racial hygiene"?
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Well, I definitely sure that no ultra-detailed description of ideas of each Nazi could be done just based on name "Nazi".
Idea of superior race could be implemented in many ways. Even calm waiting of fading out other races. Or work for their "superior race". So you can't be sure that when someone call himself Nazi - he definitely want to eliminate other races by killing people.
And even if you can... I can't remember laws to judge people just for their intentions. While these intention kept under control and don't cause any actual crime, I believe they should not be punished, no matter how cruel they are. There is some difficult case with propaganda, but while people just say "I am Nazi" it is not propaganda... So you can declare what kind of propaganda is crime and judge for that. But not for just self-name. And of course not for being named by other (or otherwise what you should do if someone call you Nazi?)
I believe most historical Nazi committed crimes and was punished for that. I believe you can blame them for their crimes.
I believe no one should be punished without crimes. Or even blamed for their connection with people who committed crimes.
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You say strange things - if you call yourself a Christian, then you cannot say that your god Allah or Buddha is from other religions. Also here - if you are a Nazi, you cannot say - all races are equal and valuable, this is a contradiction in their ideology. If you are a Nazi, then there is a higher Aryan race (your) and there are other lower ones that should serve the higher one or they should be wasted.
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Yes. If you are a Nazi then you believe there is superior race (may be not Aryan if you modify Nazi ideology for your needs in other countries). But that does not mean that you want to kill every man of other race who refuse to serve. You may just believe that if they are refuse to serve - they degrade and disappear as domestic pet will die in wild. As far as I know that was a popular way to be racist in 19 century...
I don't think this is good idea or even a normal idea. But I believe any people who believe is such wrong and stupid things should not suffer from other sources than their own stupidity. Unless they committed real crime like killing people (or call to kill)...
I think it's a real difference between me and Nazi. When I wrote "the other side will say the same thing" it was about such things: one say Nazis should be hated, Nazis say other races should be hated (hey, most Nazis also say non-Nazis should be hated)... I feel this like same thing. And that's why I think no one group should be hated.
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And Donbass (DPR and LPR) and Crimea - is it Ukraine or not? 👀
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It depends now on how much of a blow russia will get, might so happen that Kuban and Rostov are also Ukraine ;)
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lol, good luck with assaulting Putin's Moscow soon
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Moscow interests no one. It only has it's role as a center of UNITED russia, which won't be no more.
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fantasies such fantasies, keep dreaming - it develops the imagination well 😜
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You must know, you dreamer of Eternal Ruzki Empire)
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If someone wanted to recreate an empire based on the countries of the USSR, then why didn’t they start with Georgia in 2008 after it attacked the peacekeepers and its army was destroyed in response?
The empire is still only in the minds of the mentally ill. Here's another example: Belarus has not yet been absorbed and has not become part of Russia - does this not bother you either? 😐
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You try to tell me my own point in other words? Thank you, I am fully aware that the artificial CCCP was doomed from the start, as well as RF nowadays.
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Do I understand correctly that the artificial USA, by analogy with the Russian Federation, is doomed?
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Why? Or is it from the category of religion and "you do not understand - this is different"? 😆
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Did US statemanship collapsed twice in the last century, desorienting society, losing millions to famine and unborn babies every time?
Im not your history teacher btw.
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You taught history very poorly if you are not aware of the "great depression" in the United States, and also not aware of what is happening there now - election fraud, discrimination based on skin color, etc. Right now it's not as good as many people think.
And yes, the Taliban and Iranians will not let you lie - America is no longer the same as it was 30 years ago.
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I just leave it here: https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1485597185492328449
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You're funny, though I didn't know there was internet in mental hospitals. 😆
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I am sincerely sorry that your illness is incurable 😭
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Just don’t be offended, but the logic of a person who claims that these white guys can do anything and they will still be good and correct, but these black guys can’t do the same because they are not white is flawed and cannot be the logic of a healthy person. Black and white guys are not a reference to skin color, but just an example to make the difference clear.
Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen - who invaded and destroyed normal life in these countries? And what sanctions and punishments were these intervention countries subjected to?
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Yeah, "Taliban and Iranians will not let you lie.."... that soon moscovites join them in the line of totally uninteresting poor places of this planet.
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Election fraud in the US!? Says someone who's been led by a manipulative dicktator in the past 20+ years. You're free to believe in his propaganda as much as you're free to believe in Santa.
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Can you somehow objectively prove the mass fraud and voter fraud in Russia, which could really affect the outcome of the elections? At least on the example of sharp jumps in votes for one of the candidates, which do not fit into a normal mathematical model (statistical anomalies) and can only be falsification? Well, or maybe you can name a candidate for whom the overwhelming majority of Russians really vote, but from whom these votes are massively stolen by Putin?
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Can you prove the election fraud in the US? It has been the savest election ever, with the highest voters rate ever, and it was close enough, but in the end thankfully there were more Americans with brains than those without brains to make their vote to get rid of the ass faced guy with the blonde cat on his head. It proved that democracy works and wins.
I don't have to prove anything about Russia. Everyone knows about what democracy is like in RU. It is a mass fraud by default, there are no votes to steal from Putin's opposition for Putin, there never were any. That's why it's such an irony you're talking about stolen votes in the US, with no base for this claim, while your people don't even have the privilege to vote at all. Well you probably have, but it's merely a sad comedy show for your leader's propaganda machinery. Putin will be Russia's leader till he dies, and after him his offspring will follow his footsteps. That's what dictators do, no matter how much they make their people believe that they have a voice to vote. And I totally get it, that Russians don't know it any other way and are fine with this, and also here I can't blame them because if they're not fine with it, they might end up in the same concentration camp as Nawalny, or be poisoned while they are in another country, or vanish at all. After all the Russian citizens must live with the consequences for Putin's recent actions. The West or rest of the World will suffer too, but they are strong enough to withstand the economical consequences and will go out of this even stronger and independent of Russian resources, while Russians will have to go to work at the potatoe fields to make a living, like they did during the Soviet times. Potatos today, potatoes tomorrow, what a wonderful prospect (*). I wish you all the best and love and peace. Good night.
(*) Edit: Putin still will be eating caviar by the way. Perhaps even caviar dished with fried potatoes and some tasty sauce, who knows? He's backed up enough money for him for the next 10000 lives to come.
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That is, there is no evidence of election fraud, except for your personal inner feelings and news from the media? Isn't this called slander in the legal field, or when it is beneficial to you, it is no longer slander, but the terrible truth of life?
Navalny is in prison for the crime he committed - aren't criminals in your prisons as well? By the way, concentration camps were invented in Europe, not in Russia.
- And you can still find out how much Putin has already accumulated and where he keeps his capital, otherwise there has been so much talk about this for many years, but they still can’t find it?
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The only crime Nawalny did, was to speak up against the corrupt, anti-democratic regime in his country. He even returned to RU after he has been poisoned by Putin's secret service, after his stay in a German hospital. He didn't have to return, he would have been save in the EU and yet he returned because unlike Putin he's not a coward. And just because concentration camps were invented in Europe it doesn't mean Russia doesn't have them. My grand grand father died in in a Soviet concentration camp at age 28, and I would bet a Russian prison comes close to a concentration camp. You know, they don't necessarily need to have gas chambers.
And you must living in a fantasy world believing Putin is a poor man with no money. I'm not saying western countries politicians are saints, but at least we can get rid of them after the next election, sometime even earlier than that, depending on how much of a scandal pops up involving them.
Putin may be pretending that he is liberating the Ukraine from the nazis, but at the end of the day he uses the same justifications and methods as the nazis did when they invaded other countries. And he is a pro when it comes to build up propaganda, spreading bullshit over the years in the media that is 100% under his control. Hitler couldn't have don't it any better. Putin doesn't give a shit about human rights or human life.
It's just so easy to play the nazi card to justify an invasion. It's easy to deny every accusation you're being accused of and point your finger at others. Russia never participated in doping their athletes and yet the country was excluded from the Olympics (at least the flag was). Russia never supported the separatists in Eastern Ukraine and yet everyone knows they were. It's always the evil USA, the evil EU or the evil NATO, or whoever to do this and that to weaken or threaten Russia. It's always the others, never Russia. If 30 leaders of the world tell Putin the sky is blue, Putin will insist it's green and that's what he will tell his people too.
My father once told me russian people aren't bad, it's just that many of them lack brains. And he's been born in RU and so was I by the way. And that's not untrue. Again, I don't blame you for falling for his propaganda, but come on, based on your previous comments, I would guess you got enough brain cells to realise you're living in putin's fake world bubble. But you can make it out of of there, take the step an leave your comfort zone. you seem to know how to use Google and speak English well enough to understand what going on right now. Putin is not only destroying the Ukraine right now, he's destroying your country too. I can only encourage you and everyone else to open up your eyes. This madness must stop. I know that deep down in your heart you know the truth. If you're not, I hope you think of my words when the potato harvest is due to.
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About Navalny - I would like to remind you that this man was on probation. And when he was poisoned, the authorities of the Russian Federation went to meet his relatives and allowed him to be transported to Germany for treatment (although this is prohibited for criminals on probation). He returned of his own free will, but deliberately violated the conditions of the probation, after which the probation turned into a real one - this is the law. If he had not violated the conditions, he would have remained at large and continued to engage in his political propaganda.
About your great-grandfather, who died in a concentration camp - tell us why he was imprisoned and in which camp? Did you ask for his personal file in the archives to understand how guilty he was or not? And then it may turn out that he really was a notorious bastard and scoundrel? Comparing prisons in the Russian Federation with prisons in other countries, for example in the USA, do you do this from your own personal experience or are you based on information from the media?
Ha ha ha, tell us about Angela Merkel - she ruled for a very short time + a bunch of rulers convenient for the United States in Africa and South America have been sitting for 20 years or more, and no one in the West reproaches them for this.
I am not saying that Putin is poor or rich - I do not have such information, but you unequivocally state that he is fabulously rich - just give the facts (I myself wonder how rich he is and where he hides his fortune).
Doping is not a problem for Russia, but for the whole world. If you don’t believe me, look how many titled athletes have already been caught doping in the world. And I'm not talking about double standards in sports, when athletes from a number of countries are allowed to use doping for "medical reasons."
About "Nazism" - only two countries in the world vote against the condemnation of Nazism at the UN - the United States and Ukraine. At the same time, the United States recognizes the same Ukrainian Azov regiment as neo-Nazi. Remember who raised and nurtured Nazi Germany in Europe - these were the countries of the West, not the USSR. Who allowed Germany to take over Czechoslovakia without declaring hostilities? And now no one condemned the Nazis in Ukraine, but they are trying to make Russia guilty of all this.
Russia has always supported the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine and has never hidden it - humanitarian convoys to the LPR / DPR were constantly and openly sent. According to Minsk-2, ratified by the UN Security Council, Russia, France and Germany are guarantors of implementation, but not parties to the conflict. For 8 years, France and Germany did nothing to force Ukraine to fulfill its obligations under it, Russia tried to solve everything through diplomacy, but for 8 years, only accusations of aggression, war, occupation, and not a single real step towards fulfilling Minsk agreements. Apparently, the time has come to enforce peace in a different way, since diplomacy was powerless.
If your father says this, then maybe you should first try to understand - but he himself definitely has brains, and is he able to use them? Perhaps it is you who live at the mercy of fake media and propaganda? Why, when accusing Russia of aggression, does the West forget the simple fact: "аmong the 248 armed conflicts that occurred in 153 regions across the world from 1945 to 2001, 201 were initiated by the US"? Why does a democratic and free world allow the United States to do this? Or is it because the United States tells most countries, as its puppets, what they can and cannot do, what they can and cannot talk about, who is bad and who is good?
Aren't you afraid that tomorrow you, as immigrants from the countries of the USSR, will be branded "Russians" and subjected to persecution, as was the case in the days of McCarthyism?
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my grand-grandfather was a farmer of German origin and father of 5 children who's familly has been living in a village of German farmers over several generations near Odessa, when he and other men of the village have been deported for no apparent reason and never heard of ever after. His only fault was probably his origin, or his gender, maybe the shape of his nose or ears or any other arbitrariness Stalin may have used as a pretence to justify ther capture. He may have never reached the gulag camp, he may have been shot on the way to the camp, who knows. Even if there was a way to find out about his wherabouts now, or about the reason why he and all the other men were deported, it wouldn't change anything. Stalin wasn't known for being human friendly. His repressions weren't that much different than Hitler's and yet Russia is celebrating the great victory over the Nazis and hailing Stalin while this dude literally did the same thing as Hitler did with everyone he didn't like, Russians included, and that fucker wasn't even a Russian, just like Hitler wasn't even a German (what a weird coincidence). I'm pretty sure the people Stalin murdered weren't all notorious bastards and scondrels as you may want to belive they were. What Putin does now, isn't far from what other dictators did. He doesn't like that Ukraine became independed of RU and that it is approaching the West, he feels threatened and now makes up shit to justify his "operation" and attacks a sourverign country to place his own and russia friendly government, despite that the Ukraine does not want to be part his empire or whatever Putin calls it. At the end of the day, the victims are civilians which will suffer in his chess game.
In Germany Merkel was in charge for 16 years and she has been legitimately elected. It's not like everyone in Germany loved her or what she did. She herself decided not to do the job any longer and make place for the next chancellor. Putin on the other hand alrady reserved his place as the ruler of Russia till 2036. It may not be written on paper (yet), but there's no doubt it's not gonna happen unless he gets struck by a lighning bolt or lynched by his people or something. By the time we reach 2036, he will enact a new law that will allow for him to be leader till 2050.
Who says that the West doesn't reproach countries that have leaders/dictators for 20+ years? It's not like they are being completely ignored. What they do in their countries is their busyness. As long as don't declare war on other countries or do genocide there is no reason to interfere with their politics. After all they are souvereign countries.
I neither said the US are saints, nor that they did everthing right. They used to be the (wannabe) world police trying to bring democracy and stability to places that were ruled by terrorist or whatever assholes, like they did in Germany, after the second world war. But the world is complicated and not every country is capable of doing this and that's what they have learned by now, hopefully. But the US is not the complete West, the US is not NATO.
When the US invaded Iraq in 2003, there were mass protests in Europe too, like they are now, it's not like everyone in the Western world approves what the US did or do, and it's not like we all blindly follow them everywhere. Yes, the EU could have sanctioned the US or abborted ecconomic releationshipts and it didn't happen, because both sides depend too much on each other, the EU more than the US. But what you probably don't know, when the wannabe Putin Trump was in charge, he too broke contracts and put tax on European products and ultimately punished the EU economically. There was a little trade war going on that had little impact, which is "over" again now that the US are led by a man with more then 3 brain cells again. During the Trump legislation,there were tensions between the EU and the US, because this man was even more unpredictable than Putin and you never knew what this idiot was on about the next day. At last he was the man that made EU realize, they cannot rely on the US completely anymore. I actually wonder what Russian media reported about Trump. They probably hailed him for being a Putinversteher and reported about stolen elections and about how corrupt the US democarcy is.
Unlike the US in Iraq, Putin is now bringing back war to Europe, just infront of Europe's doorstep and that's a big difference. He thoght he could do a quick "operation" to conquer Ukraine and once again get away with his crimes. But he was massivley wrong, it's not gonna work out for him as intended, he will earn the opposite outcome of what he had in mind. We're talking about Ukraine joining EU and Sweden / Finland joining NATO and stuff like that. The whole West actually is getting closer to each other than ever before in history. Bravo Mr. Putin, very well done.
NATO is a defense alliance, and NATO doesn't pick who they want in their alliance, the countries themselves have to make the aspirations. NATO never asked the Ukraine to join, Ukraine wanted it themself, and can you blame them? NATO has never threatened Russia, Ukraine has never thretened Russia. How could Ukraine attack a nation that has nukes, and for what reason? Little Wladimir is just so afraid of letting Ukraine go, his people might become envy of what Ukranine is going to be like. And that's the only reason why he invades.
The Minks agreement was broken by Putin himself last Thrusday. The West has been reaching out to Putin for several months and weeks when he built up his troops at the Ukrainian border, and days prior to the invasion. Putin has had the German and French leaders on his 10m long table in his fancy shiny palace, playing charade with them, telling them there is no invasion to come, lying to each and every one of them, lying to the world, even lying to his people. Many politicians aksed Putin to come back to the table to negociate, but he simply decided to do what he wants. If it wasn't for covid in 2020, he probably would have done this earlier. Biden said it was highly likely that RU invades Ukraine after the Olympics and he was absolutely right. Now Putin wonders why everyone in the world, but his little ugly pimple Lukaschenko, hates him and punishes his country now. The only way Russia gets out of this alive is by getting rid of Putin and his entourage, but this is not gonna happen.
I might be living in my own bubble and "propaganda" media, opposed to you apparently, but I have enough brain cells to see what's going on. At school we've been taught about totaliarism to ensure that everyone undestands that history mustn't be repeated, and I can indeed differentiate about Putins truth and the truth everyone else knows. At least tomorrow I can open my fridge and there will be more than potatos to chose from (I know potatos don't go in the fridge, but you probably know what I mean). Will you be able to tell the same in a couple of months? You seem to live on the bright side of Russia, in St. Petersburg or Moscow maybe, so you might not have an idea what it's like, but a scenario like this to come is not unlikely for your country. So far you're probably fine with what's going on in Russia (not meaning the war at the moment), but there are people in the far east, who are not living in places like Moscow and they barely have shit and food and the situation we have right now will even worsen their case.
And as for your worries on being branded, it's not a big deal for me. In RU we were Germans or Nazis, in Germany we are branded Russians. And this applies to pretty much every non native minority living in another country. I'm kinda used to it and it's not like everyone here will point with their fingers at us and tell us to go "home to Putin" or something. Simply put, I have nothing to fear. Zero. And neither has anybody else here who was a former russia/sovjet resident. No one I know with the same background as us approves what Putin does right now. Only the stupid people that believe everything that's being posted on odnaklasniki or telegram may fall for this shit. Eventually they will see what's going on, just as everyone in Russia will see. Just as even the Russian military witnesses with their own eyes at this moment. And I'm pretty sure you see it too.
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You know very little about history - this kind of deportation took place in almost all countries: internment of Japanese in the USA, internment of Japanese in Canada, internment camps in Great Britain, English concentration camps for refugees, etc. And they didn’t stand on ceremony there - only the presence of the “wrong” nationality was enough. If you are simply not interested in his fate, then why try to use him as a pretext for blaming the USSR (who knows - what if he died a natural death many years after these events)?
You have a mess in your head - you are confusing Hitler with Stalin and Putin. Can you still go to the library and study history, and at the same time remember who fought with whom, who was an ally with whom, and who won that war and at what cost? Otherwise, you will listen to your nonsense and involuntarily believe that the war was won by the USA, England and France, after which they tried the Nazis and Communists in The Hague. Some kind of parallel reality in your head.
By what criteria do you compare the legality of Merkel and Biden and the illegality of Putin? For example, the previous legally elected president of the United States is now openly talking about electoral fraud in 2020, and it’s scary to say how much dirt and deceit was after his election, most of which have not been confirmed.
Do you understand what you are talking about when you say: "NATO is a defense alliance"? NATO was created as an adversary of the USSR, that is, against a country that collapsed many years ago, but for some reason NATO remained and continued to expand - against whom is this alliance directed then? How many armed conflicts have occurred with the direct support of NATO? Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen - who destroyed these countries? How did they threaten NATO? You are talking propaganda nonsense without even trying to compare the military potential of these countries. How about not trying to remember Naira's testimony or Colin Powell's test tube, which turned out to be a lie, but because of which hundreds of thousands of people were killed and millions of people suffered? This is your vaunted democracy and freedom, in which the one who is stronger can do whatever he wants, spitting on the rest?
For 8 years, no one fulfilled the Minsk agreements and people died almost every day in the Donbass, but no one cared. Where were the countries of the West all this time and why did they not force Ukraine to resolve the issue peacefully? Why, right now, did they suddenly decide that they could shake off the dust from Minsk-2 and begin to fulfill its provisions? I remind you that this document was unanimously approved by the UN Security Council and its guarantors were Russia, Germany and France, and Ukraine and the armed formations of certain regions of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine were parties to the conflict. Russia could not violate it, since it was not a party to the conflict.
There is no need to scare us with sanctions - there was no such period in the modern history of Russia when no sanctions would act on it - even after the collapse of the USSR, during the period of maximum openness and friendship with the West, no one canceled the sanctions.
Nobody wants war, but sometimes there is simply no other choice - now it was necessary either to approve the genocide of the population of Donbass, or to force Ukraine to peace by military means. None of these options can be called good or right, but you still have to choose. Which option would you choose?
P.S. Long before that, the Western media repeatedly announced the date of the attack and postponed it, Western governments closed the airspace in advance and withdrew their military and diplomats, increasing the supply of attacking weapons, and the Ukrainian authorities increased the intensity of shelling and provocations. It seems that you simply do not understand the difference between cause and effect and put the cart before the mare, and not vice versa.
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I don't follow much the news, but as far as I can tell from what I've seen being shared by people is that I really don't like how the whole approach was done by Vladimir. Say what you must, but killing people is NOT GOOD. I understand that there's more to it than this, but his attitude towards this situation is disgusting. I only wish for the best for both nations, but war, killing and pointing fingers should have remained in 20's century and beyond that.
This is available for any other country currently fighting for something they believe and not accepting that there's other ways to deal with this.
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I don't have a clue. I live in UK so, most people I spoke with are rather sad and disappointing this is happening now. The news here are filled with fear and rather put the Russian leader in a very bad light. A lot of people are upset about his actions.
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You're not the only one. My name was often times confused with an Indian origin, but to clarify, I'm originally from Romania and 3 years ago I moved to UK to live my new life.
My name origin is derived from a few things:
- Previous nickname was Shevarash, the elven deity of retribution. I kept the last bit as "Varash" and changed it because I really like the sound of the word "Ash". I don't know why. It's not related to Pokemon, I swear! 🤣
- Vash because I once liked an anime called Vash the Stampede from a series called Trigun. I liked the character and it kinda influenced the name.
- The "ral" termination is from my an different name came Rashagal, which I believe I've once heard either in Starcraft or Warcraft. I don't know for sure, but it stuck with me.
I combined the "Vash" with "agal" and I came up with the unique name Vasharal, as Vashagal sounded a bit weird. I've had it now for years, and probably came with it in 2012 or 2013.
Now all this is unrelated to the topic, but hey. At least now you know. I also have been contacted by a lot of Indian folks for asking me if I'm Indian by any chance. Sometimes names can have an origin from there or sound different in your head when you read them.
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Maharashtra the state from India? 🤣 Well, if it brings any sense of pride in an Indian for the name I carry, I don't mind. Although I was hoping it has no origin of a sort and it''s purely a fantastical name.
Before, when I was a kid, back in 2003-2005, my nickname was Wolfman and german people would think I'm german, but honestly, I was a diehard fan of Wolverine and he was translated as Wolf-man in my language. So, I kinda liked it and stuck with it until the Shevarash thing and now Vash. 😅
What's the meaning behind your name?
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So, It's one of the most massive black holes on record? That's pretty cool and scary in the same time.
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I hate my government so much (Germany)
They actively made our army absolutely worthless.
If we still had an army like in 1939, we could help you instantly and effectively.
Also what's this thing with the 5000 helmets?
Germany has become a meme
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Welp modern Germany is a peaceful country unlike Russia, and your ministry of defense is a peaceful woman
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There's a law which says that our army (Bundeswehr) has to be able to defend our country.
This law has been violated for decades now.
And see how this turned out. We only sent some vehicles and 350 soldiers to the Ukrainian border.
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Do you think it would be better to live in a country with greater military power, but full of corrupt politics, election fraud, where opposition is fully suppressed and where you can get beaten by cops and go to jail just by expressing your opinion? And all the propaganda channels in my country calls it "special operation". Yesterday I read the news article which says, roughly translating "Investigative Committee warns against the illegality of anti-war rallies". This is pure madness.
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"corrupt politics, election fraud, where opposition is fully suppressed"
This is all happening in Germany already.
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Sorry, it's just my nerves. I understand that you mad probably because you feel that your government somehow responsible for what is happening, but don't blame Germany, it's only Putin and his "friends" fault.
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election fraud, where opposition is fully suppressed
BS.
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well but you take the Hartz4 for granted i guess, yet you still blame the gouverment for your failed life.
geringverdiener!
if you dont understand why we never sent any weapons into warzones, go back to school
only meme here are people like
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Putin's fans live in their own world with nazis everywhere
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Yeah, this people are not Nazis, they just really like Hitler idea for "one clean nation" and everybody else to go home.
BBC source
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Afaik people rarely deny that there are Nazis in Ukraine. But in the government, as Putin claims?
And if Putin would truly care about Nazis, he'd have enough to clean up in Russia before he should be concerned about Nazis in other countries.
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Golwar I understand you, I am completely against the war (and i don't like what Putin is doing), just as I was when USA was bombing Yugoslavia, and bombs are falling in my country too. But saying they are no Nazis close and in the Ukrainian government is simply wrong. Nazis are everywhere, just see the EU parliament (and from my country too) and this is just scary as hell,
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Agreed. But there is a difference between not seeing Nazis everywhere or nowhere. ;)
I already despise nationalism in general and it bothers me that people won't get any wiser ever.
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I'm sorry, but I don't fully understand what you mean by "But there is a difference between not seeing Nazis everywhere or nowhere."?
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What should he negotiate about with Putin? Western politicians have been trying to reach out to Putin days prior to his invasion, to prevent this from happening. P. and his puppets always denied they would invade, but its all been a lie just about as everything they said. Its all been planned years ago, when RU took over Crimea and secretly invaded the Ukrainian East. Putin build up a false image of the Ukraine in the past years in Russian media, and now they're saying they must liberate the Ukranie from a neo nazi regime. And his people believe in all the bull shit, unfortunately. How could anyone be able to negotiate with a lunatic wannabe Hitler? This man does what he wants and the sad thing about it is that no one will be able to stop him.
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which means they tried .... the doors are open for everyone who came to talk to those.
don't like hitler? then you definitely should not hate Ukraine, because. they revive Nazism
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Go back to the dirt hole you're coming from. The only one to revive nazism is Putin. How can the Ukrainian leader who is of Jewish heritage be a nazi? How can the Ukrainian population be be nazis if they fought against nazism during the second World War, and lost 8 million people? Putin even said yesterday they are drug junkies. this man is out if mind and feeds you and your people with bullshit and you believe all this crap. There is no negotiation with Putin, the West tried already. He made his decision and now everyone will suffer from it, even you will.
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Yeah, this people are not Nazis, they just really like Hitler idea for "one clean nation" and everybody else to go home.
BBC source
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Dude you're posting a video from 7 years ago showing some brain dead neo nazis, that probably spoke up after Putin secretly invaded the Eastern Ukraine. These people are neither the government nor the people of Ukraine. Neo nazis are literally everywhere. This is just an excuse to justify what Putin is doing just now, in fact he is the neo nazi.
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So this is it then - video is old and he is brain dead. And what about Azov Battalion which is part of National Guard - they are part of the government?
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you're talking about that Battalion that was created right after Putin secretly occupied eastern Ukraine and holds roghly 3000 men? Can you blame them for fighting back against the aggressors? 3000 men is not Ukraine. Putin's annexation of Crimea and the war in the east made their rise happen.
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Are they neo-Nazi and part of the government? Because you yourself said "These people are neither the government nor the people of Ukraine."
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3000 neo nazi people of that battalion don't represent the people in the Ukraine. There was no neo nazi genocide in the Ukraine, as he wants you to believe. Putin brought the genocide in 2014to East Ukraine (and everyone knows this, despite that Russia has been denying this). Even if they are in the government who gives a shit, there are right winged parties in the government in Germany, in France and else where and all they have in common is they belong to the Putinverstehers, because he is like what they want their country leaders to be like. But in a true democracy, they will not make it,so fuck them. Putin admitted that he never respected Ukrainian sovereignty, and it's easy for him to play the neo nazi card because Russians will fall for this shit as they think they are the nazi liberators, but in fact they are the nazis just now. Your President is just afraid that Ukraine became a democratic country,that has a leader who was voted by his people. This war will be bloody and only have losers, no victor's. Back until the late 80's Russians were the bad guys, now they're back at it again, sadly.
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"Even if they are in the government who gives a shit",are you serious right now!? Who gives a shit that nazis are part of the country's government and make decisions!?
And who exactly is my president?
And as I said, I am against military action in any form or state, so i am not in support of what happens now, but the protection of the Nazis and to say that they are not a threat is a great mistake. That is why nazis must not be ignored and you are doing exactly that saying "Even if they are in the government who gives a shit".
And by the way, the Nazis seem to be much more in Ukraine than this"3000 neo nazi people of that battalion", because people of this battalion have become part of political party National Corps and in the last election took 2%, which seems to me much more than that. But I already know your answer "who gives a shit".
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They have only 1 seat in a 450 seat parliament. Yeah Putin must really fear the nazi influence here. 2% my ass. Some facts even though you might not believe so because you're used to Putin propaganda, the Ukrainian leader is a Jew, there was no genocide in Ukraine before Russia invaded, 1 + 1 = 2, and Putin is a miserable liar.
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You are constantly changing your narrative. First they were no nazis, then just this 3000 and now only 1 seat.
And I just say two thing from beginning that the nazis must not be ignored and you are doing exactly that one again, and i am against all war action Russia or NATO(USA), I don't care they are all bad for the common people.
So BBC are doing Putin propaganda now.
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I didn't get the facts right on the parliament, but a 3000 men azov battalion doesn't make the Ukrainian government, and you can barely say that 2% or 1 seat or whatever in the parliament makes the Ukrainian government a nazi regime. Again, you have this kind of constellation in nearly every fucking Western country that has a democratic government. Will Putin invade Germany or France next, because they have a bunch of nazis in the government? I don't think so, playing the nazi card to justify his invasion is just aweful.
Yes, you should not underestimate right wing parties, but Ukraine was far from being a nazi regime as he makes it out to be.
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So you "Didn't get the facts right on the parliament..." and now you are starting to put words in my mouth. I never said that "Ukrainian government a nazi regime" And I can tell you that this is neither right nor pleasant.
And as I said to Keksinator, no matter how insignificant these people may seem to you at some point, they may impose and change government policies. This is not just matter of if, it's something that happens.
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in a democracy you have many different opinions which leads to a mixed parlament that represents the many different people living there... if every person in the parlament has the same opinion or if the political leading faction gains like 90% of the votes, you know its a fake democracy^^
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Keksinator I completely understand what you are saying, but if these people are ignored, they only gain more strength.
There is such group in our parliament, although they are not from the ruling majority (they barely crossed the barrier, but they still managed to enter our parliament), they are putting pressure on and changing government policies.And this is the reality
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It's not about ignoring Neo Nazis. Neo Nazis are bad, shouldn't be tolerated when protesting, should be judged for things like demagoguery and attacks on foreigners, LGTBQ+ and other minorities. But that's a task of the courts of the country it's happening in.
I don't like the situation that in Germany the AFD has a lot of seats in the federal and state departments. But they were voted, that's legitime in a democracy. As a democrat it's my task to show everyone that they are not the majority and to try to explain those voters why they are wrong and help them with their problems which made them having fear and hate. However, 2% shouldn't be able to put much pressure on policies (that's what falloutdude83 probably meant).
And it's not a reason for any other country to invade. If there was systematic racism, torture or even killing in Ukraine like Putin claimed, he should have gone to the UN and show evidence to try to get a UN resolution. Then sanctions towards Ukraine could have been declared.. and in the worst scenario even a mandate for blue helmet deployment.
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I understand what you're saying Myrsan, we are in the same position. And i already said that in our parliament they are party just like that (they barely crossed the barrier, but they still managed to enter our parliament), they are putting pressure on and changing government policies right now.
And in the same time falloutdude83 saying "Even if they are in the government who gives a shit". How can you change someone mind who says "one clean nation" and everybody else to go home. (I'm talking about the nazi from the video).
OHCHR it has long been sayng that there are constant killings of civilians from Donetsk.
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How can you change someone mind who says "one clean nation" and everybody else to go home.
That guy in the video was pretty young back then. Especially young people are easily trapped in ideologies. There are often two big loopholes in all of them: of logical kind and personal interests.
For the logical part, e.g.: "If you want only Ukrainins in Ukraine, you'd have to prohibit tourism. But tourism makes x% of gross domestic output. People work in hotels and around sights. Which jobs are you offering to those then? And shouldn't you be so proud of Ukraine that you want foreign people to see and experience it? How are your school kids going to learn foreign languages (for own cultural or touristic interests), if you don't allow any native speakers to come to you?"
For the personal interests: "If you only want to live among Ukrainians, you wouldn't mind if no other country in the world would let you travel there, right? What's your favourite meal? Pizza, burgers, pasta, doner kebab? Nice Nike shoes you wearing!" and so on and on ..
Sooner or later you will encounter contradictions. But then it's up to you to not play the smartass or blame them, just make them aware. Next it's time to go for the real reasons why they think that way. Envy regarding jobs, wealth, power, bad experiences with certain ethnic groups. That won't become better by being part of an extremist group. So show ways or try to provide good experiences with those ethnic groups the person fears/hates.
Of course there are also people so deep down in that shit that you can't get through to them anymore. Lost causes, but you won't even know if you don't try talk to them. As a society you don't gain anything by excluding people directly.
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I think you're too optimistic, he's gone.He is in the deep end, saying that he wants to do things "little bit like Hitler". If someone thinks that, I don't think anything could change his mind. And apparently many think like him, which is a really awful thing.
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Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.
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what do you think to know about nazis? didnt you ever had history in school? remember nazi germany. a nazi leader like Hitler would (try to) kill the political opposition (like nawalny) or if they cant kill him, they would put him into the concentration camp (where is he right now? i guess he is making holydays, right?^^) and would fake attacks and reasons to attack other countries
ah and i forgot: the propaganda... its all the same... we had our Führer in the last century. you have yours now... I can only hope for you, that your "Stauffenberg" will have more luck then ours...
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maybe, but sadly you also believe in the propaganda like we germans did in the past :(
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propaganda?
https://coub.com/view/2z30kq
what exactly??? you do not believe that the Nazis in Ukraine?
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every country has nazis. and yes, ukraine has a huge nazi problem: its putin and he is attacking and killing many people :(
btw: its not like nobody likes russia. without you, ww2 would have had maybe a different (bad) ending for all of us. its just we dont want war anymore... we would rather live in peace with russia.
btw: as russia forbids to call it an invasion or attack: how do you call it?
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call "war" or "military action"
just for 8 years of war between ukraine and luhansk+donetsk, where schools, gardens and civilians were shelled...everyone is filled with righteous anger.
yes, war is bad, but it was not possible to reach a peaceful agreement, I think the war will be ended one way or another through negotiations, but not with this government ....
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i´m sorry if you lived there and got attacked by ukraine solders or by russian solders or by rebells...
honestly i have no problem if any region want to become a new country. i just have two problems here.
first: russia has it own terretories which want to become independent but russia would never let them and even use their own force... so they have no rights to gift land to someone which dosnt belong to them^^
second: before 2014 and russian troops comming to krim and donbas, everything seemed pretty normal there... it all came just with putins army...
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according to the video: lol, at the first moment it looks pretty interesting^^
if you had a news channel, how many reporters would you have? would you maybe buy stories from independent (trusted?) reporters to inform your viewers? i halso have seen this in the past: a news that was interesting to me was placed on many different news papers, allways the same information and even the exact same wording. it looks like its pretty common not to write the same text hundreds of times again and again just to have different wordings...
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Uh-huh yeah sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0FYKsqzq5g
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so his call was accepted and hostilities were stopped, but in the end he refused
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Putin is only to blame for not destroying them earlier
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keep your indoctrinated uneducated arguments for yourself mister adolf putin fan
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I wonder if you will find time to play your Steam games once Russian economy goes downhill and you gotta go back to work on the potato field.
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You won't believe it, but it's been promised since 2014. It has been said several times that with this package of sanctions, the economy of the Russian Federation will be torn to shreds.
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Yes and it's all been a joke so far because the EU or whoever sanctionated RU, wanted to still protect their interests. But now what could be left to protect or even left to negotiate with someone who plays charade with everyone trying to reach out to him, and now even threatening with nukes? Literally nothing, time to let go of RU I suppose, and concentrate on building up new partnerships or find alternatives for what ever resources RU provided.
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https://www.currenttime.tv/a/russia-american-european-sanctions/29449693.html Sorry, it's a long time to write, but here in chronological order as you type. And this is only until April 23, 2021. The truth is in Russian, what is to be translated.
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о, ссылки на петушария пошли, который неделю назад смеялся на американской разведкой вместе с захаровой))
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первая ссылка в поиске была на тв канал россия, думаю ты бы сказал "о, ссылки на пропагандистов пошли.."
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конечно, ты может быть не в курсе (хотя вряд ли), но петушарий - это известный кремлёский балабол, который ещё неделю назад под ролики захаровой смеялся какие все тупые и никто никуда нападать не будет. охотно верю, что человек, скрывающийся в испании от уголовного преследования желает добра всему украинскому народу.
про россию 24, лови фейкомётов:
0:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL2Vog6N1EU
0:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIsh0vVgI64
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Well obviously because Putin said something like 'surrender completely'. Such a wonderful negotiator he is.
Ed. Wow, haven's seen your newest reply. Have a nice day then if that's what you believe in.
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go assault Ukraine vatniy voyaka like your putin comrads did
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/02/25/world/25Ukraine-Photos-1/merlin_202838010_056823ac-aaf1-4d6f-978f-13c3c3b3d381-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp
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а русские никого не потеряли и их все встречают цветами. геббельс апплодирует.
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Today I saw the most beautiful image.
An Ukrainian woman holding an AK-47 to defend her homeland.
Stay strong Ukraine!!!
Ukraine shall prevail.
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thats not beautiful. its the cheapest propaganda. i saw a picture of a ukranian 10 year old holding an ak.47. is that beautiful aswell?
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Please share so I can give you my opinion on it.
And that 79 year old woman's picture is beautiful because it shows the spirit to resist the invader among the common Ukrainian civilian.
It shows the insurgency the Russians will face even if they defeat the Ukrainian army.
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out of respect, i will not share this disgusting picture
im sure you are smart enough to use google, if you really want to see it
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You try to put me on the spot by asking if it is beautiful but won't show me the picture.
Tells me to google it ... ( got nothing, besides some youngsters holding up foam replicas or cutouts but no one close to 10)
On a side note while googling Ukrainian child hold AK-47
Found pics of ISIS, African child soldiers and surprisingly one of a school class in Russia of kindergarteners holding Ak-47, sniper rifle and grenade launchers for a class picture from 2015. (which caused outrage in Russia)
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that it is real but without seeing it I can't really comment on it.
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Putin's kindergartens teach children how to handle weapons and participate in parades already at this age
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i think she wont fight, shes old, her eyes are not that good at night, also her pose will be not good for shooting at this age.
+slower movement, she will be dead in no time, so its a waste of ak/ammo, as most of it can even hurt her teammates
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A senile old hag trained by the infamous neo-nazi "Azov" battalion thats been trying to take out the resistant Donbass population & whose ideological idols made the Volhynia massacre happen.
"Beautiful" indeed.If you are a serial killer,perhaps.Or a complete and utter idiot.
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So Azov Battalion is ultra right and likely spreading commentary that I don't agree with.
But the lines you just spit out of your keyboard are fairly similar lined with hate, so you are saying you are different somehow?
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99% of the people here will never have heard of Azov Battalion.
You had a nice opportunity here to share some knowledge if only you had cut a bit here and there from your hissy fit language.
Could have easily started something informative.
Now I am interested since google is sort of limited.
- These are the neo Nazi's that Putin is talking about?
- Are they large or small part in Ukraine?
- I have seen these sort of groups in Poland and Belgium too what makes them different here?
- How did they get in the National Guard without outcry from the common people?
In the end after giving it some thought I am going to keep granny up, it just happened to be this granny that I picked from other grannies that I came across.
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"My" "hissy fit language" coming from a fella that just equated me with genocidal nazis because I called them that in a fit of (presumably) hysterical rage is a really...interesting thing to witness.
Clearly your self-awareness needs an overhaul.It looks broke.
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You are cutting out the wrong bits sadly.
I guess no further information will flow at this moment seeing how triggered you are.
Deep breaths.
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You are cutting out the wrong bits sadly.
Spoiler alert:People normally don't care much for what a fella has to say after said fella goes all "rabid dog" on them.Common sense & all that.
seeing how triggered you are
Whatever projective lies make you sleep well at night,bud.
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Don't equate yourself with the people now little snowflake.
Even though you went full on rabid, I got some useful information from you.
I forgive you.
Keep on breathing alright, you are doing great!
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Even though you went full on rabid
Not only are you projecting (rather pitifully I have to say) but outright repeating after me now.True signs of an intellectually gifted conversationalist there.
Stay 🧂-ty,bud.
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Oh sorry, you meant that I went rabid.
I misunderstood then, I thought some clarity came to your mind.
The salt shaker is rather funny though... I mean if one of us is salty,... well I dont want to point fingers. But all that vinegar and salt you have been spreading in each of those replies of yours.
(It had a real good gold nugget too at the beginning thanks but sadly you got triggered.then)
Dont worry nah, I am fine.
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Still raging here & trying to play the "No,you are!" game,kid?Shameful.
Again-stay 🧂-ty.
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I could agree with you here, but then we would both be wrong ...
You are one angry little fella,
Stay frosty bud and don't your panties in a twist again.
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Still can't let go of the fact that you got treated as a petulant brat for your shoddy behaviour,eh,kid?
You are one angry little fella
"Angry"?Not really.More like mildly amused.
"Little"?Maybe (since you might be a 10-foot giant for all I know).I'd say the size of your intellect is supposed to matter a lot more (not that you seem to care much for something as the quality of wits,if your continued thinly-veiled butthurt rage is any indication).
But if you want to keep doubling down on your own delusions & revel in them for all to see like a raving lunatic-more power to you,I guess.
Keep living the 🧂-ty life.
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Awww does he want me to go away?
If you actually reread your own responses, you would notice who the petulant brat is. with all the insults, rage and huge ego of himself.
With each response you place more characteristics with me where anyone who reads it will come to the simple conclusion that they perfectly describe you...
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Aaand you double down.Talk about being unable to let go.
Awww does he want me to go away?
I literally say "more power to you" if you want to keep at it,bud.
Does your continued rage negate your english language understanding capabilities as well?
If you actually reread your own responses
Yes,yes.Keep pretending that our little "chat" hasn't happened because "someone" had a ragequit and decided to equate me with some of the worst butchers mankind had even produced simply because I stated the obvious,which led to yours truly treating you accordingly.
Keep the 🧂-ty projection coming,kiddo.
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What rage?
I thanked you several times for the info of Azov Battalion where is the rage, you are equating me with things that just didn't happen.
I even asked for more info on Azov which you declined in your triggered state, spouting rabid insults.
Which is fine, I had to search hard but found more on it myself.
Come on now, I didn't compare you to the butcher's actions... Your aggressive and hateful language is what I would equate to people who are Neo Nazi's or Ultra Right ... and even in one of my responses I pointed it out.
Which was wrong because you are like that but not every neo nazi is automatically like that.
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Aaand you continue.Its almost as if I live rent-free in your head now or something.
What rage?
Look up "self-awareness training".You truly need some.
you are equating me with things that just didn't happen
So your very first response to me didn't happen.
Whatever you say,I guess.
in your triggered state, spouting rabid
yawn
Come on now, I didn't compare you to the butcher's actions... Your
So first you say that your first response towards me didn't happen...and immediately after you are justifying it...even though it supposedly didn't happen.
Dafuq.
Your aggressive and hateful language
The "aggressive and hateful language" of a statement that finding training sessions of literal freaking nazis "beautiful" is something that only a very...interesting person blurts out?
How dare I?
but not every neo nazi is automatically like that
Brownshirt whitewash apologism.You really chose to go for that.
Keep the 🧂 going.
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You are not living rent free
You are the clown of the day really.
I don't go and read Neo nazi training material, its not my ideology.
But at the moment imo. of course
I feel bad for ever thinking Azov = MistMd.
Ah I will let you have the last word now which you are so desperate for.
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There's a pro-war propaganda in action in Russia atm and peace protests are deemed illegal, people are getting arrested... It`s a terrible time for Ukrainians but the russian commoners will be the ones who pay for that... I really hope that it will at least end on the replacement of the Ukrainian government.
As for lies... there are lies on every side involved... it's just how politics work... and getting any piece of truth is really hard.
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economy affects every single citizen. there is DNS shop in russia and people keep posing the prices in roubles are in free fall right now even changing pre-order prices. imagine it was bought for $ when it was 70 roubles and now it's close to 100. new sanctions again Central Bank might drop rouble to the levels never seen before and obviously were not expected by the government.
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If I remind correctly that was network which sold new nVidia cards recently and after that a lot of these cards were reselling on local OLX platform.
I was asking Ev11 if he just make a mistake cause common narration in his sentences point that there should be replacement of the Russian Government (at least following logic)
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There may be 2 development options, although in fact there are more.
1 option is to go against the authorities with demands for changes.
Option 2 is against those who make these changes.
If the government is weak and the people do not have it, then there will be the first option, and if the people support the government, then there may be two options.
It's just that everyone thinks that there will be only one option, but they don't think that there are actually several of them.
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I assume Ev11 meant that Putin hopefully at least stops after installing a puppet as new Ukrainian government and not going to chase, deport or kill more Ukrainians afterwards.
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Why should Russia replace a democratic elected President in Ukraine?
I don't like my neighbor but I don't drive a tank into their house. should I?
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a puppet goverment is a good & reliable neighbor.
lukashenko and putin have been licking each others assholes for years and like a good lap dog lukashenko allowed belarus to become a second front staging ground for this attack.
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It`s a terrible time for Ukrainians but the russian commoners will be the ones who pay for that... I really hope that it will at least end on the replacement of the Ukrainian government.
All of this makes little sense.
The Ukrainians suffer and get killed but the Russians will pay for that? Sorry to tell you but the Rubel dropping in value and Russians losing access to some imported goods is nothing in comparison to their fate.
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The fall of the ruble means that a lot of people wouldn't be able to afford the simplest food and life-saving medicines. Not to mention expensive medical treatment, surgeries and examinations. So, we will pay. We are paying for Putin's madness for years, but now it will get way worse.
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The matter here wasn't if there won't be any consequences for Russians but his phrasing, suggesting that the fate of Russians would be worse than that of the Ukrainians. And he also seemed to blame the Ukrainian government.
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All i said is that for the suffering of innocent people will pay other innocent people.
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EU, UK, US and Canada agreed to freeze the assets of the Russian Central Bank (approximately $643 billion). This measure will freeze transactions of the Bank of Russia and make it impossible to liquidate assets (which could lead to a devaluation of the ruble)
also
▪️The U.S. expects the ruble to go into free-fall after losing support from the Bank of Russia due to the sanctions imposed on it;
▪️Additional measures against Bank of Russia assets will be agreed upon this weekend;
▪️Sanctions against Russia are backed by more than 30 countries;
▪️Sanctions imposed in a week affected Russia's 10 largest financial institutions, which control 80% of the country's banking sector assets.
One crazy man destroying two countries...
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I don't care about politics but I'm just scared for a friend rn. She's in Kyiv and (as of yesterday) can't leave because roads have been destroyed. I see all these posts about how the borders are open but it's super hard bc open boarders don't mean anything if you can't get there.
Just want her to be safe.
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Kyiv has a metro which is used as a shelter now. Old buildings here are quite solid and should withstand an accidental hit. And since it's a capital city — the Russian military won't bomb the civilian buildings on purpose. So, despite the clashes, Kyiv isn't the most dangerous place to be in Ukraine. Let's hope it will stay that way and she won't get hurt (as well as other people).
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Yes, logically that makes sense, it's just so hard for me because I can't be near her. Obviously, I don't want anyone to be hurt, but her messages to me were saying how Russians were shooting and taking over houses so it's just scary. I'm glad to hear it's not the most dangerous place to be because the news cycle sure makes it out to be.
Thank you so much.
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Not much time ago I was watching UEFA Champions League final on this beautiful Olympic Stadium of Kiev and now this...
I hope this situation ends fast.
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печально слышать. Живу в Днепре (Украина). надеюсь мирное время скоро настанет. мирного неба всем. будьте здоровы.
вот эта информация недавно появилась.
всем кто проживает на территории России будет полезна (те кто потерял связь со своими детьми которые ушли на учения в армии). закрепите.
укр:
❗️Сотні росіян розшукують своїх родичів, які вдерлися в Україну
На гарячу лінію «Повернись живим з України», яку створили для родичів російських окупантів, дзвонять сотні людей, які розшукують своїх близьких.
Безперечно! Кожен має знати, що трапилось з їхнім чоловіком або сином, якого Путін послав до України на забій.
📞 Нагадуємо номери телефонів гарячої лінії «Повернись живим з України»:
▪️ +380894201860
▪️ +380894201861
▪️ +380894201862
рус:
❗️Сотни россиян разыскивают своих ворвавшихся в Украину родственников
На горячую линию «Вернись живым из Украины», которую создали для родственников российских оккупантов, звонить сотни людей, разыскивающих своих близких.
Бесспорно! Каждый должен знать, что произошло с их мужем или сыном, которого Путин послал в Украину на убой.
📞 Напоминаем номера телефонов горячей линии «Вернись живым из Украины»:
▪️ +380894201860
▪️ +380894201861
▪️ +380894201862
фото на русском
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Stop Putin and his minions from playing videogames
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There will be no indignation on the part of the Russian Federation about the fact that it will be necessary to pay 2,000 euros for 1,000 cubic meters of gas.
Sorry I forgot to add, due to disconnection from SWIFT, you will have to pay at the address 197229, St. Petersburg, Lakhtinsky Ave., 2 K. 3 p. 1. Before visiting, make sure that there is a QR code about vaccination or a disease Covid-19 on the website of public services https://www.gosuslugi.ru / if there is no code, then you may be denied a pass.
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I haven't heard anything about valve, sanctions should not affect ordinary people. but I am glad that the whole civilized world has turned away from putin
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swift will also affect whole russia. Same as tradelocks, sport banhammer etc
I think they should block russia from everything. Then russians will realize and go to streets if they end up with money, food etc.
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so far, only a few banks have been mentioned now, but their cards can still be used inside the country
people will come out with pitchforks when the refrigerator is empty
yeah but people can also engage in looting and steal from other people. now people are too afraid to go out against the state
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* - Yesterday, at 22:07
, like if an overseas office blocks me, I'll go to the barricades, and not jump into a tank, how can I bleat?
** - Yesterday, at 22:08
Suddenly they think that way! More problems for ordinary citizens → some kind of uprising will break out faster.
A little joke
They ask the German:
— What kind of car do you drive to the store? - On BMW
— And abroad? - Well, abroad by Mercedes
Asks the Frenchman
— What kind of car do you drive to the store?
- on Renault! —
And abroad? - Abroad on Peugeot!
Then they ask our:
— What kind of car do you drive to the store? - on the trolleybus!
— And abroad? - And we don't go abroad!
- Well, and if you need to?
— And we don't need to!
— Well, and if it's so necessary? - Yes, we don't need it!
— Well, and if you-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-T need so much? — Well, if you-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-T need so much, then on TANKS!
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they should ban csgo in russia, it helps on war :P
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where was he for 8 years??? and he lies that for no reason
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Many Russians disapprove of this pointless war. Many Russians have spoken out against our government for years, being targeted and harassed, receiving unsustainable fines and imprisonment. Some have been crippled or murdered. Yes, propaganda is strong, but that is no excuse. And following orders is no excuse for the military. It is very painful to realize that because of a bunch of madmen who seized power, our country has become an outcast, and our people around the world, regardless of their views, are now associated with killers and Nazis. Putin is destroying not only Ukraine but his own country as well. And absolutely everyone will have to pay for his crimes.
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Truth is easy to find when you can check 35 different sources instead of only one created by Putin.
You should not believe Putin just the same as you should not believe Hitler.
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https://s1.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2012/10/f676c51b496a31247b099f7e4c447556.jpg
it is strange that you support the Ukrainian Nazis (Bandera)
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I'm not supporting Putin=Hitler and I know all putin trolls can do is speak about bandera.
First putin trolls were writing everyting about USA and EU later 2 years of antivaxxer posts and now about bandera because putin trolls hoped Poland will not help Ukraine. So many money and years spend on troll putin propaganda and nothing come out of it.
This shows how little do Russian trolls and putin know about Slavic countries.
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For 8 years now, the Russian representative in the OSCE has been saying that Ukrainian Nazis have been attacking Donetsk and Luhansk there, good morning
in Kyiv on the Maidan there was an online camera and there was a huge portrait of Bendery
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For 8 years the whole world is saying that Russia is attacking Ukraine and trying to destroy the country and put putin puppets in power like they did in Belarus and Chechnya.
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I know perfectly well that you are being washed out of your head
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Sorry I don't have time for russian propaganda and russian trolls.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtNwLH5aPoc
there are subtitles .., and in general on the channel you will find a lot of things for yourself
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we can all say that its a propaganda, same as you saying about other sources
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Upa/bandera is history. We need to remember it but i think most of Ukrainians dont even equate with upa/bandera.
Same as u cant say all germans are nazis.
About your 'Ukraine again refuses to negotiate'. Cause putin called them nazists, said they terrorize ppl in ukraine, said they torture prisoners, said they are killing ukrainian ppl...
putin should die
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What? Info from Putin turning out to be lies? I'm shocked! /s
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welcome to my bl for spreading fake info, There is a lot of evidences, where Ukrainian president ask for negotioation, while putin ask to surrend then they can talk
So your god ask ukraine to give up so he can get whole country THEN they will negotiate xD but if whole country will be taken, what can you talk about? Also, u negotiate BEFORE u invade. putin just attack ukraine and wants to talk xD
hope he will die soon, looking at him he must be sick, dunno, maybe cancer?
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I feel sorry for you ... that you cannot distinguish truth from lies
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you ruski telling about puting telling truth and its not propaganda, while telling me ukrainian president telling lies and its propaganda xD
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I think ... it's your problem that you can't tell where is the truth and where is the lie
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i can tell both are truth and both are lies. But youre the one telling only putins words are truth and otheres are all lies
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Ignore the facist, just blacklist him and move on. There is no point in talking to someone who only listens to the lies they want to hear and not to reality no matter how harsh it can be.
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I didn't say that anywhere, why are you making this up?
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u negate all info about Ukraine, while accepting and posting every info from ruskie and putler
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I think your sources are more reliable
https://coub.com/view/2z30kq
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This will give me a lot of BL but I don't care. Human life is more important than BL so here I go with all the info I could get:
Russia is sending kids age 18-25 that were protesting a few years ago against Putin to die in this war. They are the main casualties of this war and main people taken prisoners. People that are in charge are older people that know more yet they let kids die. Many prisoners taken don't know why they were send here to fight, or they were sure they are the peacekeepers, many were also just put on trucks and moved to the border without any info.
Magomed Tuszajew is dead killed with his whole convoy by brave Ukrainian soldiers.
Anonymous is fighting against Russia they already did steal much of their data, all the info about the rockets they use and names and emails and telephone numbers of Russian politicians and many rich people in charge of the country.
Most of the world is united against the Russia. Only a few countries that are paid by Putin and have their propaganda are supporting Russia.
Most Russians are against the war and Putin but right now they lack weapons and force to storm Kreml.
Many people in west says that the war will end when the Putin and his government are dead.
Putin is still using his propaganda to lie that no one in Russian army died. He also does not want for Red Cross to pick up Russian corpses from Ukraine and deliver them to Russia. Russia is also blocking the movies with dead Russian soldiers that are available online to keep the illusion of being strong and not losing any soldiers. They are also blocking all movies with surrendered Russian soldiers. During 24 hours Russia did lost much more soldiers and equipment than they did in 8 years in Syria.
Russian losses: https://ibb.co/wy9D4dy - yesterday.
Russian losses today: https://ibb.co/rbsFYNF
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You are funny but I hope you get paid in rubles instead of really believing in Russian propaganda.
You have internet.
You can check everything yourself.
Instead of spreading propaganda look for the info.
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pay me gifts in steam
I don't watch TV and others as you call propaganda sources....
but the information that you gave out ... there is not a drop of truth, clear your mind
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Use internet to show everyone that I'm wrong then.
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- I doubt that those solders were protestors – looks like a propaganda trick to me. Yes, there is a lot of 18-22 year young men from poor families and orphanages who was pressured or convinced to sign the contract with the military recently. Non of them were told that they are going to invade our neighbors though – it supposed to be a drills.
- Info about Anonymous is questionable – they are ddosing the sites, yeah, but there shouldn't be any vital info.
- Most people are against the war, but not to that extend to storm kremlin with weapons. An aging, predominantly female society isn't fit for revolutions well.
- Info about casualties are highly manipulated by both sides of any conflict. The real numbers will be revealed only after the end of war.
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You are mostly right but some of them were protestors and they surrendered at the start of the war just after Russia's 74th Motorized Rifle Brigade surrendered (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20IkJoJdu50).
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They put all the info they get from Russian servers online (Anonymous TV on twitter) some of the info that was encrypted is being decrypted.
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True.
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True.
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About #2:
There have been reliable sources that they did hack info (mostly personal info AFAIK).
And #3:
You don't need to storm the Kremlin with weapons for a revolution (IIRC storming the government building to overthrow the ruler(s) has a different word for it (coup?)), mass protests till society in a country as a whole start to grind to a halt usually does the trick. And aren't there still quite a but of males in Russia that haven't been send to fight?
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Most people are scared. We all remember how peaceful protests in Belarus ended up. There is no doubt that our law enforcement will act as violent as their. Even if kremlin would react to the protests without massacre on the streets — years in jail with inhuman conditions and tortures isn't the most motivating perspective for the protestors. Especially when you have children and old parents to care about.
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Sounds exactly the same conditions of every country that revolted against their dictator tbh.
Not saying what is and isn't the right thing for the Russian folk to do though. It's just my 2 cents.
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Dictatorships can differ in the scale of repressions. And the bloodiest ones don't tend to fall without a military coup or intervention.
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My friend, you really don't know what's Russia is like, isn'it? There is no such thing as protest is Russia, government stripped us of our rights to rallies, to rally, and so to protest, you need PERMISSION, that protesters will NEVER recieve. Police busts even ONE man if they see him "protesting". People who fights in Ukraine are all pretty much sons of marginals, bought with money and propaganda, aggressive redneck motherfuckers, who don't give a shit about "nice" and "normal", "stop war, let's live in peace" people, they would shot us all and their neighbors if they would allowed to, they are all hounds, degenerate wardogs of putinism, and they fight for their "right thing". And we, russians, who don't want to live in isolated regime of senile idiot and his post-KGB generals and friends, cannot do anything from inside, because regime permanently finance and brainwash these rednecks to defend itself, we don't have weapons, we don't have rights to protest, we could only see how these assholes trample our future.
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I know people from both Ukraine and Russia.
I know how many people that protested ended up in prison or poisoned or shot in the back 4 times or even were forced to commit suicide by the KGB to save their families.
I understand you and I know it is hard to protest and resist in Russia.
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By european standards, what you call protests and what we have is just a joke, our protesters, even if they organize some kind of rally, do it with a knowledge that it doesn't change anything, people in the west know that they at least could make their authorities think about what they did wrong, Our authorities just laugh us in the face, what could a pack of youngsters, who belive that they deserve a future to live, not exist, could do against a web of former bandits, thieves and other "respectable men" sitting in their chairs and calling themselves an authority, that insolently say that people should stop buying expensive food and could just live on single pasta? Nothing they could do, at least until the army and police defends these "respectable men".
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