Does this mean that new HB games won't be considered bundled anymore? I hope so...
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I doubt it.
Do that, and exploiters everywhere will fall back on the old trick of buying the bundle for $1, then listing it under the title of the most expensive game in the pack. The winner gets some unexpected bonus games, and the gifter gets $20 or more of CV for the cost of a bar of chocolate...
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I doubt it. People will still give away the $1 bundle gift as a game in the bundle.
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about time... it was great that people would abuse HB to increase their rep but im sure the gifters can find other ways to give away games without HB getting the short end of the stick. Might even let them make better Bundles once devs see that their games arent going to be "resold" from the sale of a dollar.
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Now its easier to add games to your steam library.
Easier my balls. I like the old system, it worked, it was nice and i got moist everytime i put my key in my Steam account.
I didn't ask for a new system, so... In the same title, in other words, "Now fuck you and stop making giveaways with our keys." That is it.
Let's talk properly, without decorations.
Don't get fooled by a "nice" marketing title :)
Don't get me wrong, i'm not mad about this (i don't give a fuck about this as my CV stopped at 30$ a month ago and i'm still happy making other gamers happy), what i really dislike is the "nice" title. Like, "Hey hey, we did this for you, now it's easier, you have to be happy". When it means another different thing.
Lol. I "love" marketing stuff fooling people since decades...
Have a nice day :)
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Agree, but they couldn't announce this as: "Hey, now there's a new way to redeem your steam keys, one that suits us better."
Haha, marketing it is funny when you notice it :)
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yes cause everybody wants those bundle keys they already bought themselves from humble. bundle keys are the last thing anyone wants when trading.
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Oh, but it's ALL about charity! Figures that they might be giving at most 40% of funds raised to charity are totally wrong since the rest goes straight to Poor Humble Employees, Developers and Publishers Foundation.
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I used to donate most of my spare steam keys to a child institution (charity). Now I guess the kids will spend their free time beating up each other instead of playing video games. Good way to promote charity Humble Bundle!
I'm hurt as a consumer as well because most bundles have repeats and those keys will be wasted.
It's ironic that Humble Bundle only cares about money. Not So Humble Bundle or Greedy Bundle?
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I already throw them some dollars and clothes every month.
You're just being demagogic. 1$ is not too much for me but it's too much for Humble Bundle, the millions of dollars they earn aren't enough. This thread isn't about me, it's about Humble Bundle so quit with the rhetorical bullshit
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nope, it is you who are being demagogic about HiB, cause there is still way to provide games to a child institution, although you claimed that "childrens will end up with spending their free time beating up each other instead of playing video games..."
so who is writing the rhetorical bullshit?
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"Now I guess the kids will spend their free time beating up each other instead of playing video games."
LOLOL what a comedian. i never knew cheap bundled steam keys can be the deciding factor between kids beating up each other and kids playing video games.
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At a guess, I'd say it probably hurts future sales for the devs/publishers, making it harder to recruit them for future bundles. It's one thing to convince someone to offer their product dirt cheap for a week, but it's another thing entirely when for the next year+ they're going to have to compete for sales against resellers who farmed the bundle and got the games for like $.15 each.
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They new system is GREAT! To the whiners who say " won't buy if I can't gift a game" I call BS. First off, if even a single game is one you like, and it is non-BTA, $1 is cheaper than buying it anywhere else. SECOND, it benefits charity, its not just about getting every single title with all the DLC for $1 so you can have 800 games in your steam profile of which you have played 50. THIRD, we were never supposed to gift the extras. Almost everyone did either share with a friend or put some extra keys on Steam Gifts. Instead of QQ that you can't do it anymore, realize we were breaking the rules before, there are no consequences, and now we are being held to the rules we agreed to in the TOS.
The new system is really no different from getting a single key for the entire bundle. All the new whining is silly. ROOAARRR!! MAD I NO HAVE KEY FOR EACH GAME ROAR!!! Excuse me, when they gave a single key for the entire bundle, you didn't get single keys either. The new system is much more flexible. Makes it easier to redeem games and if you want to share a game you just unlink your account, link it to you friend, then redeem that key. Only now you have to actually have a friend you trust. If you really trust the person, then gaining access to their account isn't an issue.
Most of the ROOOAAARR MAADDD !!!! is because you aren't sharing with close friends. You are selling keys or trading keys with strangers or others you don't really trust. Tough. It wasn't meant for that. I did it before, a lot of people did it before, we can't do it anymore, so "tough" to us. We can't put Humble keys on SG or trade them. We can still get gift URLS for people. We can still have very trusted friends share. You are full of BS if you say you won't buy another Humble Bundle. You will, we all will. A few duplicates won't deter anyone.
(copied from one of the many other threads on the same topic)
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you sir have the best reply imo... This has ups and downs for everyone ... but if they keep making good ones like deep silver or other good bundles with epic games like darksiders2 etc. Good bundle = more sales = more charity also we internet people will find a way to trade-sell the new system bundles in no time Im sure... (for example trade it and then buy the bundle as gift to the other guys email) and etc... mutual trust = win in any situation for trading
scam = even possible on the easiest 1v1 trade.
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That's stupid, now if I only need one game from the bundle, I still have to acivate them all, even if I already own them or they're just some shitty games and I don't wanna make my Steam library a trash can... also it was fun winning some single games I need from HIB on this site...
so goodbye HIB, it was nice, but now its gone ;)
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if you only want one game, you can activate just that one, unless it's just one of the alien breed games since those three activate together. the change is you essentially need to share a desktop between the person who bought the bundle and the person activating a game, so it takes more coordination and trust to give away games you already have or don't want.
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I always buy a bundle even if none of the games interest me because I want to support pay-what-you-want schemes so this won't change my modus operandi, and I think it could be a good thing in the long-term. For one it will encourage more developers to get involved in bundles if they know their keys can't be given away freely. I generally don't care about most of the games anyway, they go in my Steam account and 90% of them get put straight into my 'bin' category. It will also mean that there are less useless giveaways on here, and even games that get bundled might not become next to worthless just because they've been in a bundle at some point.
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It's close enough which is all that matters in my book.
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Impact Steamgifts? Yeah I'm sure it will, people will actually have to give whole bundles instead of some crappy game from one that they didn't want.
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Mmmm in fact I think this is 100% marketing ploy to be honest. Consider this
humblebundle.com started off with _onesingle Steam key for all games.
Relatively recently they have changed to "separate Steam key for each game because people asked us" (by "relatively recently" I mean 6-10 months ago). This, by the way, was only implemented in some of their bundled, but not all.
With the new system you can still "activate" the games separately at your will, but only on one account you have bound to your purchase. I think this was done to maintain the illusion of having "separate" keys for games in the bundle and at the same time force people out of gifting/trading their spare separate Steam game keys.
Besides being a bit lazy to learn a new system for no good reason I have only one problem with this "new system". I don't want to authorize anybody besides myself (including humblebundle.com) to do anything whatsoever with my account. Yes, I do understand they are "trustworthy enough" and "will do no harm" and "Steam definitely will not let them do anything that is a threat to your security" and so on. Still, I personally feel uneasy when I authorize some 3rd party to perform certain actions (presumably, even in an automated fashion) on my account. For instance, I very much disliked IR for auto-activating Desura keys on one's account bound to the email the bundle was purchased for. I mean, let me do this myself, I want to control when and how I redeem stuff (now, fortunately, IR lets you activate your keys yourself). And even though this "click button redeem to bound account" is certainly not the same as the described above case, it certainly is a step to that direction. This is by no means a disaster for me, but certainly not a "change for better" as some people seem to see it. (TL;DR I'm ok with a single Steam key scheme for all games, but I'd rather prefer to activate it myself without "authorizing" a 3rd party to do anything with my Steam account).
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Reposted from Reddit: Charity has nothing to do with anything. Seriously, it doesn't. The real issue deals with the act of the purchase. Where the money eventually ends up does not matter in the slightest. People need to stop bringing that up.
The Terms of Service do not matter either. Terms of Service are not legally binding and therefore people can do whatever they want with the products they legally paid for, as is their right. People need to stop trying to guilt others for doing what they want with games they legally bought. Again, this is not the issue at hand though. The issue is with the act of the purchase.
This new system of purchase is broken because Humble is providing different products to people based on what they already own and they are charging everyone the same price. For a set price some people get 2 games, while others get 6. That is horribly unfair and frankly I don't know how it's even legal. I suppose it's because they try to be clear about what variant of the product people will receive, but it's a really scummy way to go about things and I don't see how they expect to retain customers.
They are punishing the people who support the developers the most. The whole reason that we end up having duplicate copies of games, is because we already paid for the games before... and we likely spent more than whatever the bundle is charging. In the end we are paying more to the developers than anyone who just bought the bundle alone. Yet we are the ones being screwed over by being told we can't have some of the games we pay for.
Humble just wants everyone to buy separate bundles and to let games to go to waste. It is not in an attempt to gain back lost profits, it's a scheme to underhandedly make more money on top of their current profits. While resellers profiting off Humble's great deals IS scummy, I really don't think they affect Humble negatively at all and are just a scapegoat. If anything they probably increased Humble's profits.
Think about it. Why would anyone buy from a reseller if they could get the same thing from Humble for a cheaper price? There are two reasons that I can think of. They either do not know that Humble exists, or the sale is no longer running and they could not buy the product from Humble at that point. In both circumstances, Humble would not have made any profit off of these people. However, while Humble was not making profits off these consumers, they were still making profits off all the resellers who were buying extra copies to resell.
Resellers are filling gaps that Humble has left in the market. If Humble wants to combat resellers properly, they need to fill these gaps themselves. This means improving their marketing. If they can make consumers aware that they exist, those consumers will have no reason not to buy from Humble directly. Take away the buyers, and the resellers have no one left to resell to. It's pretty simple. They shouldn't blame the rest of us when they are the ones at fault.
This new system devalues the bundles to a lot of people and I for one will not be paying for 6 games when I will only get 2. I really hope that everyone votes with their wallets on this, as I am, and that Humble realizes these anti-consumer moves are not a good idea.
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It'd be great if some publishers were scared to feature their games in HIB. It's called Humble Indie Bundle, not Greedy AAA Bundle. Now we have people saying they'll wait until Batman Arkham Origins is on Humble Bundle to buy and play it. That's part of the reason why developers feed you crappy console ports. If you guys paid a fair price for AAA games like Batman Arkham Origins (17$ at the time) that wouldn't happen, and you wouldn't be killing indie developers.
It's supposed to be Indie, not AAA. It's supposed to be Humble, not Greedy
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Right, because the bundle model isn't hurting indie games also >_>
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It's not about getting AAA or indie games for cheap. It's about getting them for cheap and contributing to charity. God knows 99% of the people who buy humble bundles don't contribute regularly to any other charities, myself included. It's not killing indie developers either, if it was they wouldn't use the platform. It's brand recognition, same with playstation +. A lot of these indie guys increase sales after the bundle because of the publicity. If HB wasn't here a lot of these guys would go unnoticed. You should appreciate that HB even exists, not make false accusations saying it's hurting indie devs.
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Read the original text again, I won't be quoting it ad aeternum. It's not charity, period. If you want to be an altruistic fellow throw some dollars at your local institutions, or even better, donate some food and clothes as you can't ever be sure where the money goes.
I'm not making false accusations, the AAA Bundles are killing indie developers and lowering the general value of games, that's a fact.
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I'm sorry are you a developer? Can you provide direct evidence of how AAA Bundle deals are exactly harming indie game development? Plus how may I ask are the value of games going down because of it? It seems to me you just have a hardon for what you believe "indie games" are. Sorry to say that AAA teams releasing bundled video games is not hurting studios with no publishers (independent or indies) and it most certainly is not lowering their value. I'm sorry you're mad at publishers but this industry is thriving regardless. There's no proof that HB is killing indie devs otherwise they wouldn't have anything but AAA bundles. I enjoy buying the bundles whether or not they have AAA games or not, and giving 90% of my money to their charities. What I don't like however is people who bitch about something that doesn't even hold any kind of accuracy or ground whatsoever.
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Yeah? What are you developing other then a bunch of BS lies. I'm done with you, grow up and just wait until you grow into your big boy pants before you argue.
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It's called Humble Bundle actually, has been for a long time.
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They're not trying to make a killing. I'm sure they all have day jobs. Besides, they sold two hundred thousand copies of the last bundle and it generated 1.2 million dollars. You can't pinpoint individual dollar amounts like that and say they aren't making money. You have to view the bigger picture. A sale is a sale, it's money made. Even if you try, say that 10,000 people buy copies to resell at 1 dollar each, that's 10,000 dollars made. You think it cost them 10 grand in fees and server costs to sell those 10,000 copies? Not on your life.
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If it's not shared information then exactly how do YOU know? Troll on man, troll on. Nothing you've been saying has any evidence to support it and you're just being a jackass.
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I think what you wrote sums things up pretty nicely. If I pay the full price, they shouldn't be able to keep half of the product.
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i love the tears of resellers and traders who bother to write up long posts like they're the ones who actually care. all this talk about filling the gaps for future buyers/consumers, if i hadn't known any better, i would've think the resellers are saint and humblebundle is greedy corporation who's only in it for profit. Resellers and traders on the other hand, no sireee, they're in it to fill the gaps, not for profit, never for profit. LOL
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after reading first sentences i lol'ed... author claims that HIB's ToS isn't legal and then said that he doesn't even know how new system of purchase even legal...
so he denies legality of ToS but don't even have enough knowledge to estimate how legal is new humble system... odd, isn't it? :D
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People thinks that ToS isn't legal because "if you can do - resell a key f.e. - it's legal".
Wrong, cause when buying a game on Steam you're not buying the game, but its software licence.
The game is not yours.
If tomorrow the publisher decides to remove the game from Steam, you're f*ed and you lose it.
So you can't do what you want.
Like ripping CDs or DVDs: it's not the fact you can do that makes it legal.
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I just fear that they fuck me with cut games after they find out that my residence is not Merica but Germany...
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Hey there. Today Humble Bundle implemented a new system to make it easier to add games to your Steam library. A new system that, with only a click, redeem all the games in a bundle with your Steam account. This means we can't no longer keep keys to send as a gift, or to make giveaways. As the Humble Bundle FAQ says:
Q:The Steam key says “Your Steam account already owns the game”.
A:The steam keys provided on the download page do not generate giftable copies on Steam. If your account already owns the game, you can not redeem the game again.
Q:Does this mean you’re getting rid of gifting?
A:Our terms of service haven't changed, Steam keys and all Humble Bundle contents are intended for your personal use. You can still purchase a bundle as a gift for a friend in step #4 on the order page.
So, what do you guys think about it? Since Steamgifts was created to help people make giveaways of games that we already own, if other bundle sites like Indie Royale and IndieGala do the same, Steamgifts will be impacted.
Source: http://blog.humblebundle.com/post/65643651960/now-its-easier-to-add-games-to-your-steam-library
Humble Bundle FAQ about Steam key redemption: http://support.humblebundle.com/customer/portal/articles/1352577-steam-key-redemption-faq
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