And about profits. Shouldn't less popular games auctions have better credits/entries multiplayer? I'm not complaining, just calculating.
I have won not very popular game with initial bid 1. So to have a chance to win another auction I have to collect 2500 entries. Almost impossible
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they dont need, you just shouldnt waste too many credits on them^^
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Nice tip. Can you answer me with that yesterday? xD
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Yep, there comes tactical bidding in... But it makes richer richer with great expensive games just getting more entries...
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Wait, I didn't quite understand the 5 entries thing, can someone enter the giveaway without sharing or not?
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That giveaway link is yours, enter it, share it, hide it behind your bed, your call :3
We only reserve the right for re-auction if it has less than 5 entries, your call how you manage to get to that point.
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no ongoing auction threads active at the moment? owo (edit: nevermind, saw the break notice :3)
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You mean this?
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/Mkvs24t
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Yeah, after the break ends I'll probably settle with just entering the giveaways, since I'll probably never make it in time to post "2500" before someone else does it, and even if I end up doing it on time, there's the chance that someone with more credits will outbid me. (Not sure if "outbid" is an actual word, but you know what I mean... :P)
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This is probably one of the most unique ideas I've seen in my time here, kudos for the effort yall put into making it work! Just out of curiosity, how many threads would have been required for the event? I guess, total amount of giveaways?
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Hmm, I honestly haven't looked at the details, but one thread has number 231 so 232 at the least?
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That's interesting, was the original plan to run them in batches of 10?
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Yes, we'd need far over 100 and more gibs are on their way.
Do not worry though, there is no such obstacle I can't pass through, reusable threads logic is almost done!
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AND WE'RE BACK
YOU CAN'T KILL WHAT'S ALREADY DEAD
If CG decides to offer me more discussions slots, we're going to keep new threads, otherwise we'll reuse existing ones. OP updated accordingly, this is the best solution I could come up with. With up-to-date thread titles and OPs, I hope it'll be good enough.
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How often does your credit count refresh on the site?
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5 minutes... Seems like it didn't do it for restart...
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I might be mistaken but I think there is a small flaw in how ArchiBot processes bids:
Currently it seems to process multiple comments simultaneously without re-adjusting the latest valid bid between comments. Maybe it's easier to explain with a screenshot: (shoudn't Abrynos comment be a valid bid?)
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After it records a bid, there is like a waiting period. It is explained somewhere in the comments here by Archi. This was done to prevent getting to 2500 to quickly
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I see, so it's intentional. I noticed there was a small change about that but didn't pay too much attention to that and just looked at the numbers and latest valid bid.
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That's a really cool idea but a bit flawed. The first lucky one who got a good game with a good price will make a lot of entries and it will snowball since he can simply outbid everyone and take the most coveted games.
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He still has to sleep :3
Besides, it's people joining gibs right away, tell them not to! :3
We'll probably take this and all other feedback into account for the next time, if it ever happens that is
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I wouldn't dare! I'm one of the first who joined haha. I'm 200% behind that kind of events. The games are good and people are sharing their links, everyone is winning.
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I hAtE bOtZ,
Will return later to see what's going on
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Rules update
Old:
You might be shocked, but the only way to earn more credits is to share the giveaways! Wait what? Yes, every winner of the auction collects "profits" from his/her giveaways by getting credits amount equal to initial bid of the auction multiplied by number of entries in the giveaway. The more entries, the more credits you will have for future auctions!
New:
You might be shocked, but the only way to earn more credits is to share the giveaways! Wait what? Yes, every winner of the auction collects 5 points from every entry in his/her giveaways. The more entries, the more credits you will have for future auctions!
We'll keep monitoring the situation and tuning the event to be more fair if needed :3.
Credits obtained during old rules remain in-tact, only new ones are affected.
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that really makes it more fair, thanks Archi. Love the event. What happens to the already earned credits?
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Credits obtained during old rules remain in-tact, only new ones are affected.
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oh i was blind, sorry. Well too bad, as I now missed a lot with my 4credit/entry income.
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I could fix it retro-actively, but it'd be unfair towards people that played on the old rules before. I think it's fair to let them be on the old rules. All new entries they get follow new logic already. This is least invasive way and very logical at the same time.
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No this is definitely the best way I guess. However, the guy that played on the old rules now has an even bigger advantage, as he is the only one with more than 2500 coins. And it will take a long time before the rest of us have caught up.
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SELECT MAX(credits) FROM auction_users;He has 4463 credits right now, not enough to outbid everyone even in two giveaways. Doesn't look problematic to me considering we're just starting and have over 100 more giveaways to make.
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You are right I think. Thanks for listening to us though, I appreciate it. And hope you enjoy the event as well haha.
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I would probably make retroactive change for sub 5 point auctions. And fine either way with above those, but that might be taking away from them.
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So 500 entries to break even? That seems hard to pull off for some titles, now it does feel more risky.
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I think it's fair. 2500 bids are more like going all in now, they'll happen, but I doubt we'll have enough of people participating in the event to outbid all gibs on 2500 (that'd be more than 150 people right now), but we'll see.
Plus you don't want to find yourself in the situation of having not enough points for NieR or other good gib, so people will be more conservative now.
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I don't think it's fair to make such a big change out of the blue. Had I knew such a change would come I'd never have shared the GA I won publicly.
And I don't see how this balances things out. This won't change the fact that the bids will go all the way up to 2500 since there's a pretty much limitless supply of users with fresh balance. You're also locking up almost everyone that could have a chance out of the event to get back to 2500, and blocking some possibly intense bid wars for people that would be able to hit >2500 soon. In fact, I think that since people would be able to fight the one-sided 2501 bids soon that would make things more balanced than messing around with the credits mechanics.
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It is fair to modify the flawed rules of the event at the beginning of it, because we want remaining week to be enjoyable and not one-sided crazy spamfest nobody is interested in.
You're the first guy that doesn't like the new system. I don't say that you're the only one, since there will always be people with different opinion, but so far I received a very positive feedback about this change, and I also agree with it.
People will be more conservative with their credits, won't go all in if they're not sure if they can regain credits from sharing a giveaway. Auctions will be more interesting because you can never be sure if the game is worth it or not. I see all positives in this. It'll definitely affect how people bid, but in a positive way.
For now I don't intend to make more changes, and I hope people will not make me to :3.
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People will be more conservative with their credits, won't go all in if they're not sure if they can regain credits from sharing a giveaway. Auctions will be more interesting because you can never be sure if the game is worth it or not.
Indeed, if that would take effect, I agree it would be great for the event, but I have no reason to think that will be the case. I do think there might be enough people to make every single GA hit the 2500 bid, and as it's not easy to get back in the game people will have less incentive to share what they win, which will hurt the event for everyone. But eh, we'll see what happens.
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That will still be 4 extra entries then, because giveaway will be re-auctioned if not shared, so assuming that nobody will share anything, that's gibs * 5 of minimum auction winners, which is more than 750 by now.
I think it's fair to give everybody a chance, so naturally it'll be much harder to make "profit" on sharing a giveaway, especially if you don't know what it is. The purpose of the event is not necessarily to gift people games directly, but rather organize a nice event in which everybody gains access to the giveaways. If people decide that it's not worth it to share, then we'll have all giveaways with 5 unique entries each, until everybody runs out of points and people will start claiming new giveaways for themselves for pennies :3.
Current system seems self-balancing to me. Previous one was too, but offered too much of unfair advantage in certain circumstances.
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A middle ground will be great. For example 5 credits/entry min for <=5P games and 15 credits/entry max for >15P games, the rest get same credits/entry as P needed. This way people will more likely share publicly rather just some few friends because its easier to get back in the game and also there is always the chance they bid in a flop 20P-30P game and never come back.
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Hey Archi, I know you need to use the same threads for the time being as a workaround, but right now Archibot seems to be posting the same giveaways again and again (or, at least, the same revealed giveaway details)...
Could you confirm that the "new" auctions are genuinely for new games?
EDIT: Wait, am I missing the point - when it reuses the thread, it changes the first post as well as the last, that must be it, right...?
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SELECT COUNT(DISTINCT(giveaway_id)), COUNT(*) FROM auction_threads;24-24, every giveaway auctioned so far was unique, so no, you're wrong. And game details are not unique, a lot of giveaways can have the same amount of wishlists, achievements or rating. ArchiBoT updates OP so you don't have "historical" game details of past giveaways (as I have to reuse OP).
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Yeah, I was a bit confused by the posts in the middle of the thread giving the details of the new giveaway and matching the ("old") giveaway in the OP. I basically didn't sleep last night, that's my excuse...
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/Q8ZMAjC
Looks like the bot is only working on individual pages and missing some offers: see here
did the bot reset itself? this didn't happen:
Such finished auction is then closed as SG thread and we move on to the next one.
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See last FAQ entry, everything seems to work fine.
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last entry:
OK, but can't you just open new thread for each auction? Those old reused threads look ugly.
I know, this is how it worked before we stumbled upon this issue. If cg responds to my support ticket in due time, we'll continue with new threads, otherwise we need to reuse existing ones. Sorry, SG rules are above me, I hope it's not too much of inconvenience for you ;_;7
I don't think so. As far as I understand it, it should end after someone wins, it looks like the same auctions keep restarting... unless it's updating the main thread to match the current auction, then nevermind and sorry I brought it up. https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/IeQgpPf
Sidenote, I see it on the FAQ, but it seems to be missing comments really often, I see 2 or so 2500 bids that were not counted in each thread.
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It's not a restart, it's a new auction with a different game but it's in the same topic since he can't make new ones.
As for the ones that don't get counted it's because they were made before ArchiBot registered the previous bid so they get "ignored" and the first one that posted after ArchiBot replied that it registered the previous one as valid gets it.
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it's in the same topic since he can't make new ones.
Yeah, it occurred to me after I first posted it. Would make sense to leave some info of the concluded auctions.
As for the ones that don't get counted it's because they were made before ArchiBot registered the previous bid so they get "ignored" and the first one that posted after ArchiBot replied that it registered the previous one as valid gets it.
I know, I´m just saying it seems to be missing a lot of high bids.
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You're missing a point.
I have 14 threads total for all the giveaways (over 150 right now). Old threads are reused in due time, there is no more than one auction going in a single thread at the same time, but there can be more than 1 going in the same thread across longer period. In fact, thread can be reused as soon as ~1.30h after last auction in it.
Check screenshot, each round is a single giveaway being auctioned, but not each round has unique thread.
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Yeah, I updated my comment after I realized it was overwriting the main post. My bad.
I think it would make sense to leave some info of the concluded auctions, assuming you don't reach the thread limit.
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stupid question: is there a bug? the website tells me, i would still have 2500 credits while i´m hopefully winning one auction - if there would be a other auction open with the chance to spend 2500 credits, what would happen if i would do this?
in other words: if cann you bid your 2500 credits in multiple auctions at the same time? would this lead into a negative amount of credits while you are winning the auctions?
i hope you thought about the problem^^
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You can't bid if your total active bids in all open auctions would make you run into negative amount.
So answering your question, once you bid 2500, you can't bid even 1 in other giveaway, unless you had 2501 or more credits. But if somebody outbidded your 2500 (somehow), then you can reuse it as you please since you're no longer in a "risk" of winning that auction.
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You'll be told you'll be running out of points if you win another auction.
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Sorry if already asked. How are the points per entry calculated? Let's say a giveaway has 3 entries, one person leaves, but another person enters, so it's back to 3 entries, but with a different entrant. Does that get calculated as a new entry? I got the impression that we should get points per entry, but from my observations that's not happening.
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ArchiBoT records number of entries and rewards you for it. If by any chance that number drops, credits are not taken from you, but you also won't gain them until entry number goes back to what was recorded for you. For every new recorded entry, you get +5 credits.
Refresh of entries happens once per approx 5 minutes.
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I don't get it, I haven´t bid before and now I got a message saying I can't bid more than 30.
Is there a max jump or something?
You start with 2500 credits
Edit: after a few more bids it let me bid 750
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Is there explanation for dummies? Cause i don't get it.
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Try to say 2500 and when you won go to the linked website and share your game.
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It's an overly complicated way to give away some standard bundle games. The forum spam is just a bonus.
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only that mixed in there are unbundled games too. unless you show me that bundle containing shenmue.
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I don't get even if you win the "bid" it is not guaranteed since you need 5 entries
Kinda sad, i,ll just treat it as a train giveaway since some people share it
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yup it is not, the best you can do is share it with 4 friends so you have the minimum entries of 5.
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a) Everybody can join shared giveaways in jbond's thread, no limits on anything. You can treat the event as standard train if you wish by this alone.
b) You can participate in the fun by bidding on giveaways. Once you win the giveaway, it's yours, and if you manage to get 5 entries inside, it's yours and only yours (you can send link to your friends if you want, and they can do the same and send to you!)
You don't have to do b) in order to join good giveaways shared by other people. It's merely an addition. Also I expect people to start running out of credits eventually, so everybody who waited is basically gambling with death of taking advantage of lower bids vs us running out of giveaways :3.
This is first and foremost unique community event, giveaways are the core it's revolving around, but not the main fuel - the main fuel is fun.
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Only points earned after the change are affected. People that got extra points before the rule change got to keep them.
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All people that already received credits, didn't lose them, but any extra entries that happened after rule change, affected their future generated credits.
In short, nobody lost anything, but everybody plays by the new rules from that point onwards.
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you are free to make yourself an event, with more unbundled stuff.
otherwise its pretty dirty of you to complain while doin shit yourself.
but thats only my opinion
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I mean, I've made plenty in the past-- pretty sure you've participated in a few.
I wasn't complaining, simply telling it like it is. I don't see any reason to dress up the truth.
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we dont live in the past. we live in the presence.
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we dont live in the past. we live in the presence.
In the presence of what?
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That it doesn't matter what you did somewhere in the past. before complaining that others to NOW an event, and even mixing in non bundled better games. you should at least do yourself what you complain about. where are your AAA giveaways? You should realize by the way steam is now (trading, restrictions, and so on) that you wont see events with hundreds of unique AAA giveaways anymore.
if you dont like what others do, do it better and well you know simply dont participate.
edit: i also meant present, not presence. aka here and now
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I literally didn't complain about anything, beyond forum spam.
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you complained about it being "bundle" spam, and afterwards extra did go your way out to point on how little of AAA giveaway where there.
edit: by aaa i ofc meant unbundled. its a bit late, im mixing already the words up.
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That wasn't a complaint.
It's an overly complicated way to give away some standard bundle games. The forum spam is just a bonus.
Is the entirety of my quote. What about this statement is factually incorrect?
I only went out of my way to point out how disingenuous your comment was, trying to downplay the fact that yes, a majority of the giveaways are bundled games. I didn't say there was anything wrong with them being bundled games.
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and i pointed out that youd be a fool to await a big mass scale event only containing unbundled games, in the state steam is.
edit: i also wrote only that there are unbundled games mixed in. never once i even stated anything about the ration. so dunno where i downplayed
if it came that way through, it wasn't intended and is the fault of my english. might be that some things come over different as intended.
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and i pointed out that youd be a fool to await a big mass scale event only containing unbundled games, in the state steam is.
Which is a pretty ridiculous strawman that no one is arguing.
I'm sorry that my comment struck a nerve with you, but you're seriously grasping here.
edit: i also wrote only that there are unbundled games mixed in. never once i even stated anything about the ration. so dunno where i downplayed
That is downplaying. Saying, "there are some unbundled ones mixed in..." is actively downplaying the fact that more than 95% of the giveaways are bundled games.
if it came that way through, it wasn't intended and is the fault of my english. might be that some things come over different as intended.
If this is true, then you should consider applying the same understanding to yourself, and allow my words to stand as they are and not try to interpret a different meaning (i.e. "complaining").
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what nerve? you are free to have your opinion. im simply stating mine.
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The way it's going right now it seems like 99% of the GAs are going to end up in Jbond's thread, so yeah, you're right.
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broken with 0 as initial bid
No bids over 0 are accepted
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i won a giveaway aswell :D
Dropping this here =p
secret gib inside aswell =o.
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Welcome to TouhouAuction!
The craziest SteamGifts event that we've organized so far!
The rules
For the next few days we'll organize giveaway auctions. Giveaway auctions will be hosted as SteamGifts threads for all of you to participate in. In each auction thread, a randomized amount of details about the auctioned game will be revealed. Then the initial bid is announced, which is always equal to the SG points required to join the auctioned giveaway (so you can use it as an extra hint).
Afterwards the game starts. You place your bid by replying directly in the thread with your bid amount in the form of whole numbers, for example "100". Every bid has to be greater than the last one, and can't be bigger than a triple of the current one. If nobody places a new valid bid for 2 complete rounds (going twice, and gone), the highest bidder wins access to the giveaway! Such finished auction is then closed as SG thread and we move on to the next one. We might reuse old auction threads for new auctions, see why in FAQ below.
If you happened to win our auction, first and foremost, congratulations! You can claim your prize in the form of a giveaway link on our event website where you'll sign in through Steam to confirm your identity, and access all of your winnings afterwards.
You're free to share all giveaway links that you've obtained from our auctions, be it with your friends, in your groups, or even here in the thread. I'm stating it clearly because it's core part of our game, do whatever you wish with them. We recommend doing it in separate thread so it's on top.
This thread is going to remain open for the entire duration of the event. You're more than welcome to share your opinion and giveaways (if you want to), suggest possible ideas and discuss all other aspects of our little game. Personally I like this idea so much that we might decide to make it a recurring event if everybody has as much fun as we had making it happen. Now fly! To the auctions!
FAQ
How do I join the game?
Simply find the auction that you're interested in and place a valid bid. If you win the auction, the giveaway link is yours! You start with 2500 credits and you may use them to bid any auctions of your choice. Auctions will start in one hour since posting of this thread.
We've also coded a basic overview on our website with real-time updates in case you'd be interested in it.
I posted a bid but nothing happened!
Chill, ArchiBoT checks discussions every 30 seconds to put some rest on SG server. You'll get your response soon! If by any chance the time has passed and you can see other messages being parsed and yours didn't, then very likely you didn't put it as a direct reply to the thread. There is a possibility of small delay if we find some game-breaking bug and need to hotfix ASAP, but we hope this won't be needed!
OK, I posted a valid bid, but bot didn't hear me?
Bot won't hear you if you get outbidded in the meantime by somebody before you in the same "window" (of 30 seconds). You have to be the first one to bid after previous bid gets accepted.
Can I change my mind? Back out?
Editing/deleting comments is valid until we leave you a notice of registering it (you can't back out afterwards). Replies to existing comments are ignored, we honor only direct comments in the thread. If you'd like to discuss some event aspects, please do that in this thread, leave auction threads for a(u)ction!
How do I earn more credits?
You might be shocked, but the only way to earn more credits is to share the giveaways! Wait what? Yes, every winner of the auction collects 5 points from every entry in his/her giveaways. The more entries, the more credits you will have for future auctions!
Wait, so where is the catch? Can I just decide to not share anything and claim all giveaways for myself?
Yes, the giveaway is yours, you can join it and nobody is going to take it from you. But no, if the giveaway gets less than 5 entries then it is a candidate to be re-auctioned in the next batch, effectively making somebody else win the giveaway link in addition to you. This will repeat until the giveaway gets the desired 5 entries or gets auctioned at least 3 times (and therefore won by 3 different people). If by any chance, despite of that the giveaway will still not get 5 entries by the end, we reserve the right to share it publicly with everyone to satisfy this demand.
Now, whether you decide to let just 4 of your friends join the giveaway or allow it to get re-auctioned is entirely your choice. Remember that every single one of those people might freely share the giveaway link further, since giveaway creator (with us as organizers) clearly stated that this is allowed. This is why it might be a good idea to refrain from posting the giveaway link further if you want to claim it for yourself rather than get more credits from it. I mean, it's not like somebody would say no to that sweet MONSTER HUNTER or NieR, right?
When are auctions going to be posted?
Our beloved ArchiBoT will stay on duty day and night for as long as needed to ensure that there are up to 4 ongoing auction threads active at any single point in time, until we run out of all of them that is. Therefore, the answer is, all the time!
How many auctions there will be? When the event will end?
Officially the giveaways are set to end on 11/11/2018, also the 100th anniversary of Poland independence day. We're likely to run out of giveaways to auction before then, so the sooner you join the fun, the more giveaways you can win!
But I need to sleep!
Me too! Well, ArchiBoT won't be able to progress with the auction if nobody places a bid, so if you somehow convince all of SG to wait for you, then it's fine! Otherwise... sleep lightly, you can never know when NieR pops up! :3
Don't you think this is going to be a bit... spammy?
A bit, for sure, but I don't really consider this event to be any bigger pressure neither on SG server, nor on SG community itself. Regardless, I'm not a mod, so I've reached the SG staff through a support ticket asking for feedback. Out of 6 staff members that stated their opinion, nobody raised any concern over technical aspect of our organization, so I believe it's going to be fine. Of course, we'll be monitoring the situation for the entire event duration and take notes, if SG suddenly blows up, I'll know who is responsible for it... :3
OK, but can't you just open new thread for each auction? Those old reused threads look ugly.
I know, this is how it worked before we stumbled upon this issue. If cg responds to my support ticket in due time, we'll continue with new threads, otherwise we need to reuse existing ones. Sorry, SG rules are above me, I hope it's not too much of inconvenience for you ;_;7
Despite of that, everything seems to work correctly, so I suggest to stick with the thread title and the OP for details, you can bid afterwards without even checking where the "end" of the thread is.
Huge thanks to the people that made it happen:
Feel free to discuss all other matters, we'll be happy to answer all your questions, concerns and other event-related messages!
Extra giveaways provided by the community (and exposed auction giveaways) are included in this thread.
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