You really should read up on Epic's business daddy Tencent. And Tencent's great leader the PRC government member and thus Tencent's culture daddy the CCP/CPC and Xi Jinping.

Facial recognition software to curb late night gaming for minors? I mean what is your definition of toxic bruh

Often business IS toxic. To relationships, family, etc. You have to be really careful because business can alienate you from people you care about.

You seem to have too much time on your hands.

Doesn't work that way. Epic pays the publisher a flat fee. But hey, if you want to make a bunch of extra accounts so that Epic can report bigger user numbers in their annual report and in the news, go for it, my man. I'm sure they'll thank you.

That's not how it works. Epic pays a lump sum, not for each download. Info already came out about this in the court case with Epic vs Apple. What Epic Pays

jajaja, so true

Careful with the truthbombs:D

Hm... no this is more like saying McDonals is toxic when they've paid Coca Cola so that they will be the only franchise in the world that will be able to sell Coca Cola while it has before then been available everywhere else.

If Epic was just putting their own titles on the Epic store then that would be 100% fine with everyone, no one would complain about that.

And what's annoying is having to own games in separate stores, I've accepted Ubisoft having their games on their launcher, since they release enough games to warrant buying it on their launcher it's fine for me.

No it's not, Big Mac is a McDonald's thing, how is it any similar at all? Please think before you write

What would be a better analogy is if McDonald's tracked how many Burger King burgers, fries, or whatever else they sell that you purchased, ate, and then defecated.

Oh gosh, remember all the console exclusive years ago? We didn't have a PC for gaming on in our house, just consoles. I don't know how many different consoles my siblings and I had growing up. Of course they were most often sold to get a different one so we could then play a different set of games. There were less good games to chose from in the 90s and early 00 (that were also age appropriate lol). Gamers don't know how good they have it right now. If a game goes exclusive, they can either bite, or pick something else just as good to play while they wait for it to come to the platform they want. The industry is so much BIGGER! lol.

Very bad analogy.

Remember console players? Remember how they always have to deal with this exclusivity bullshit?

Us PC players were always happy that we never had to deal with that.

But Epic introduced exactly that garbage.

Of course people are pissed off.

this^^

What amazes me negatively is how many people essentially call for Valve to have a complete monopoly of the digital distribution in PC gaming market - as if they didn't have little competition already, which IMO contributed in making Steam the lazy behemoth it is today. I sometimes wonder how many of the same people call out "corporate" and "capitalism" in any other circumstance.

To Valve's credit, however, I can't deny the competitors should have done better, between DRMs that caused too much headaches or lacking features; some counted too much on their titles and thought they would suffice.

I get the free games each month, but I don't really consider myself an Epic Games store supporter,
If a store is doing a free ice cream day, am I really supporting them by taking them up on the offer?
I guess there's some marginal benefit in marketing and goodwill, but if I really have no intention of actually ever paying for their service,
then I can't see how they can count me as a "supporter"

In the same vein, no way the tiny amount of data they get from me clicking 3 or 4 buttons each month,
outweighs the cost of licensing those games,
unless each of their deals was fixed cost and there was no per download clause,
(we won't know due to NDA, but I don't believe it is very developer friendly model without a per download clause)

They are 100% doing this as a loss leader to try and build enough market-share to take on Steam.
I'm sure on average they are doing fine, but there are definitely fortnite players subsidizing EGS leeches like me and SoulNibbler.
My guess is their per-user acquisition cost is probably well over $100 for some of the early free game adopters.

Maybe if Steam does something that ruins it reputation, Epic could swoop in and take some marketshare, but I don't really see any other way for Epic to get me to jump ship.

The amount of people getting emotionally hurt because I said something bad about Epic is hilarious. I'm not complaining, it's the most entertaining thing I've seen in weeks.

Nah, I was just saying something bad about Epic, other people were the aggressors who took it personally. Toxic fanboys.

He made a valid comment and he's acting like an ass? Idk Rick...

This! Supergiant Games is a great team

No disagreement here, I love Supergiant. But I still think that the additional budget helped them create a project of unmet previosly scope. I played all of their games, and I love all but Pyre, but Hades still strikes me as the best/biggest (in a positive meaning)

might have been but it is quite likely it would have less content, wouldn't be voiced or something similar. The bigger budget had to show somewhere.

I can see why a developer would accept Epic’s offer. Guaranteed upfront money is always good.
Beyond that, it comes down to proper management and budgeting. Cyberpunk was a disaster from day one - they announced it too early, promised too much, arbitrarily set a delivery date and then crunched to make that date. No mans sky did the same thing.

On the opposite end is firaxis. They don’t announce anything until it’s almost ready, don’t overpromise, and release it when it’s ready, not before

Probably. xD

Haha isn't almost everything after we decide to buy it.

Part 1 never got bundled, did it?

That's bc Steam sales prices have become the standard to beat, so you should thank Steam yet again. Honestly, nowadays you can have a really large library of games with many AAA completely free and it's all thanks to Steam.

Not really, try to bypass the Rockstar launcher when launching GTAV from Steam.

This.

I don’t like epic and I won’t buy there, but I can wait, and that just means the developer has enough time (and money) to finish the product and get rid of the bugs

Steam is the platform that devs put games on where people will actually buy them. Epic is the place devs go to cash out.

That might be true to a degree today, but I am very much hoping that in 2-3 years Epic will sell extremely well and people will see it as a valid alternative to Steam.

I can't remember any others.

Satisfactory would be an example. I remember they sold 500k in just 2 months or something like that, which is exceptional for an indie title.

Kingdom Hearts anybody?

I suppose my comment was a bit dismissive but I was kinda expecting somebody who has played the game to jump in and defend its honour with something like:

• It has this and that and this that sets it apart from other metroidvanias. (or)
• It's just an overall good metroidvania.

or just

• It reminds me a lot of games I used to play on SNES when I was I child.

I think I actually picked the first one up so I might give it a try but on the hand I have quite a few Indie game I know or at least think they are good like Mini Metro or further explore the atomic age in Factorio or set up a womens prison and check out the new custom prisoner priviliges in Prison Architect and so many others so I was curious why I should fast track this one.

But I suppose everyone is more interested in arguing about frackin' Storefronts rather than talking about actual games.

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Owww 😍 That's adorable!
Thanks a lot 😄