regifting = exploit CL system
also related to being ungrateful since most people assume you enter a giveaway to play and enjoy that game.
you can reply in the giveaway so the creator gets a notification, or try to add that user in steam or post a comment there.
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As an asidefor those that don't know, replying in the GA thread is a good way to say thanks once you win a game ;3
Also, +1 to Mullins.
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Totally agree. One doesn't need to "check" their giveaway to know there's a new comment there, the system lets you know even when the GA is over.
Turns out the last one I made had a used key and the person left a comment so I could react and fix things. There are enough options to still let a person know and not have to re-gift.
Also, from personal point of view, i believe most people that regift don't even own the game, they just instantly make a new giveaway when they get the game.
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This would be way too much effort and regifting is a more viable option.
It's hardly any effort at all. Should take you a few seconds to add the person as a friend, and then a few more seconds to say "hey, I already have the game, please re-roll".
Also, if you leave a message in the GA asking for a re-roll, the other person will see it in his or her message feed. Just remember to not reply to any messages in the GA, but leave it in the "root".
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I see your point but isn't it kinda lazy of SG to not implement a messaging system? You have to send friend requests prior to being able to send messages on Steam and I can see why most people tend to ignore requests of unknown people (Scamming attempts, etc.) or maybe the nickname on SG differs from the one used on Steam (Which is also the case regarding myself).
Oh and not everybody realizes notifications on SG - I've had to mark several won GAs as unreceived because people seemed to forget about their GAs.
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To my knowledge, the SG staff has decided to not have a message system due to some of the problems that could arise if you have one. Imagine the amount of begging the high level "big gifters" would receive.
You can also try to write a message in on peoples steam profiles, if they allow for that.
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You can use comment on person giveaway or comment on their comment, they will see the notification, it would be the same notification if it would be classic message anyway. So it is exactly the same thing. Except it is public* message, but only one person can be notified (Unless you comment on your own comment, then the notification isn't produced)
*Only to people that are allowed to see same giveaway
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Send the guy who posted the GA a message asking him to request a new winner? As far as I know, there is no message function on SG and OPs rarely check their ended GAs, so you'd be obliged to send them a message on Steam, right?
That's rarely true. The creator will get a message notification when you post on any of their giveaways, ended or not. They will likely also check why you have not marked the giveaway as received after some time. The only exception are developer giveaways. Also, a lot of people will feel angry/annoyed/insulted if you regift the game they gifted you.
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As commented before, people may not realize notifications. That's an issue, I think.
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That happens only to people who have tons of notifications. Like developers or people doing a huge ammount of giveaways. And the later would likely check anyway, specially if you don't mark as received for some time.
I've had to mark several won GAs as unreceived because people seemed to forget about their GAs
I don't see any on your profile, did it got solved after all?
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If you own the game, you just leave a message on the giveaway for the creator telling them that you purchased it after entering and let them get the giveaway re-rolled. Giveaways are for your Steam account only. Since you would already own the game, you thus have no right to owning the key you won.
And the giver will receive a message notification on SG for any new posts on their giveaway, even if its after the giveaway ended. It just shows up as a reply, much like the posts in this thread.
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This happened to me with one of my first wins. I bought the game and then won the same game withing a few hours of buying it because I forgot to go into my entered games and remove the entries for the game I bought.
I just added a comment on the giveaway page for that giveaway and explained what happened. He requested a new winner.
If you give the game away yourself then you are getting credit for a game that you didn't purchase and this allow leechers to gain levels by entering for giveaways they don't want and then regifting them. Then the entire purpose of the contributor value/level is pointless and people are just passing around games they don't want to increase their level while the people that actually wanted that game to play don't win it.
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So.. why exactly are people allowed to enter GAs of game they already own? I mean, I've disabled that by my settings but by default, you can still enter GAs for games which you already own, right?
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You can't enter for games that you already own. The only time it's possible is when you've added a game since last time you synched your SG account, or if the game is part of a pack (there are single game "packs" on steam which SG won't pick up as owned).
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You cannot enter a giveaway for a game you own on your steam account, but if you don't sync your steam account, steamgifts doesn't know what you own. I'm not sure if steamgifts forces automatic syncs at a certain times, but they definitely should.
A lot of people regift games without owning a copy of the game. They never wanted the game to begin with, they just entered so that if they win they can give it away on their account and raise their level to enter more giveaways.
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But what about the first setting?
http://www.steamgifts.com/account/settings/giveaways
(I'm sorry - the last time I read the rules and update logs by the admins has been 2 years ago :) )
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I did! But still there's the issue with SG not syncing the account fast enough..
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I've had this happen before to me, the user simply added me on Steam and asked me to reroll it as he had recently purchased it in a weekend sale.
If it is too much effort for you to message me after winning a game that I graciously put up here for someone to win, who would hopefully play and enjoy it, then it's too much effort for you to enter my GA's and I am pretty sure I am not the only one who thinks this.
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Please don't misunderstand - I do not speak of myself but rather about the topic itself. I would neither ever enter GAs of game I already own, nor would I see messaging the creators of the GAs as a big troublesome action.
I only saw a lot of hatred towards regifting people lately so I figured I'd ask.
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+1 to this.
The hatred comes from the sense of entitlement that Re-Gifters have. Acting like it's not such a big deal because you were giving away the game anyways.
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No, it's not that bad. It's better than activating a game you don't care about just because you have to. But the majority seems to disagreee and think that "don't enter GAs for games you're not interested in" is the solution to this issue. The case you presented is very niche and easily solved so it doesn't seem very meaningful to me.
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Not activating a won gift is a violation of the site rules already. If you do not like the rules, do not use the site. And here "you" is not you, thenevernow, just the way I use the language which I am not a native speaker of.
Unnoticed regifting comes with actual benefit: gaining CV and thus getting access to better giveaways without contribution. That is also a factor why people can not wholeheartedly like regifters.
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You are right about the CV/CL part. It's an issue that could be easily addressed and most regifts are bundle games that don't really change your level, but the issue is there.
This said, I (like anyone else) can be part of a community, abide by its rules and still disagree with them. This is true for any community of any size and nature and I find the "Disagree? Leave" approach to be limiting, weak and hardly constructive.
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Yeah, I don't think this is the place to practice civil disobedience: no positive impact and harsh repression! ;)
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Regifting has only two functions:
One, to exploit your user level by pretending to have given away more games you yourself purchased, than you actually did.
All this does is encourages people who never gave anything at all, to be able to enter more and more giveaways. That's strictly counter to the structure of the site.
Two, it's used to redirect won games to a single account, by using multiple farming accounts. This gives a single user a lot more opportunities at winning games, and is clearly cheating.
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You can ask for a reroll at any time [by opening a support ticket], by choosing not to do [regardless of how much time has passed] so you deliberately indicate your exploitation is intentional- in huge part because you're still laying claim to a key that you yourself didn't use.
That's selfish greed, not to mention entitlement wherein you indicate you believe you are better than the rules- and that's still assuming you're not actually deliberately farming out extra wins.
Moreover, you can message users at any time by messaging them on one of their previous giveaways, unless they have you blacklisted. If they do- and really, they probably do, if you were a jerk who decided to enter a contest and not follow through with it/deliberately exploit- then your support request will have support contacting them regardless.
Past this, the other replies above all are useful reads :P
In the end, it boils down to two things:
Disrespect for other site users, and intentional cheating/explotation/scamming users.
While you can argue how MUCH hate these actions deserve, there definitely doesn't seem to be any call to cater to such users :X
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Three/bis: I realize I don't really care about the game and want to give a chance to someone else to enjoy it. I don't personally do that, but I think it's a valid scenario. When I get a free game from Indiegala or so and realize I already own it, I post the key here, I don't just delete the email or let it rot unused.
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There's no discussion to be had here, no arguments that you, or anyone else, can bring to change people's minds, it's against the rules and it's disrespectful to the creator of said giveaway. People give games away here so others can enjoy them, not exploit them to farm CV or worse, sell/trade them off.
Contacting giveaway creators is fairly simple and, even if they're the kind who block&ignore random friend requests, as others have pointed out, someone who wins a giveaway for a game they've already bought can simply leave a message on their giveaways after they end, furthermore, even if they somehow miss those, simply don't mark as received and they will notice eventually and contact you.
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OPs rarely check their ended GAs
Rarely check their ended GAs? You HAVE to check your ended GAs in order to send keys. lolwtf
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If someone wins my giveaways and I don't know or rely in (and usually even them too) get a check on my part if they already ownthe game. Then if they have it, I may ask for a reroll counting with their help if it seems they just won it, or else a reroll asking for a ban, and a blacklist mark.
This reply may help you.
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It seems like we're talking about two different points here. A lot of people are upset because people win games and don't activate them, and that's problematic. However, if you buy a game and then win it and then regift it, I don't see a problem in that particular case because you wound up with a copy of the game- its the same (in my opinion) as winning the game and then buying a copy to gift to someone else. That's cool. Now, if you bought the game, win it, and then trade/sell/hoard the copy you win, I think that's a bit sketchy and that would be against the rules in most peoples' books. If someone gifted you a game, and then you hoarded it away even though you already had it that would be like snatching away the chance to win from someone else.
So, for example, I won a game the other day, and I plan on giving two copies of it away. In theory, I could give away the key that I was given- I've activated the game on Steam, no one would know, but I'm going to give away the game I won in place of the game I activated myself. Some people might be upset that I'm doing that, but the economy is identical (I win a game, I give away two copies) whether these copies both copies I bought or a copy I bought and a copy I won split. Now, I personally ask for a reroll if I win a game I activated before winning, but that's more because I know some people get upset and I'm willing to do whatever it takes to be respectful in the context of their expectations, provided it's reasonable.
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Becomes a little problematic with region restrictions, since recently what happens is:
...which kinda goes against the spirit of the site IMO.
Hence I try to avoid GAs for games I'm planning on/in the process of giving away.
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Agh...no, re-gifting is a douchy thing do, since there are options. All of that is "too much effort?" Really? No offense, but that's kind of a douche way of thinking if u ask me. It doesn't seem like too much effort, AT ALL. The only way re-gifting can be sort of acceptable, is that you don't make a giveaway for the key you got and just give it for free to a friend, while still marking the giveaway that you won as received, so that the one that made said giveaway still gets the CV. Even so, you deprive a person that maybe really wanted that game and can't afford it of the chance to win it. Which isn't very nice.
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"Is regifting really that bad?"
Yes. You get the CV and the credit at the expense of the original gifter. It's a dick move.
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If you decide to buy a certain game and you know you entered giveaways for it on this website the best thing to do would be to click on "Giveaways" in the left top corner of the website, then "View Entered" and remove yourself from all the giveaways for that game.
That doesn't take any real effort, it's quick and it wont cause any inconveniences to anyone.
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Hey guys,
so imagine that you've entered a GA for a certain game and forget about it. Since you really dig that title, you go ahead and buy it. In the meantime, you've won that particular game on Steamgifts.
What exactly are you supposed to do in that case? Send the guy who posted the GA a message asking him to request a new winner? As far as I know, there is no message function on SG and OPs rarely check their ended GAs, so you'd be obliged to send them a message on Steam, right? This would be way too much effort and regifting is a more viable option. Also, you may give people a new chance to win that certain game which have been left empty-handed before.
Not that I ever did that, but I'm kinda curious why regifting-GAs are always full oft negative, sometimes even offensive comments.
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