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Most of the world does use military time (00:00 > 23:59), would be good if we could choose our preferred time format in settings.
Right now it is confusing to set up start/end time for a giveaway as it is AM/PM.
UPD: As stated in comments, being able to set start of the week as Monday (not Sunday) would be nice.
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I agree, it would be nice to have it as option.
I'm into it too.
Yeah, that would definitely be much simpler.
Yea I'd welcome this option.
handy tool in the interim
Mate, everybody who uses 24h does understand verbal 12h marking, but that's not the issue when it is written.
it is much clearer as 13:00 than 1:00 pm, and does not confuse peopole with such thing as time 12:xx am/pm.
If you get confused and can't differentiate between am and pm you have bigger problems and probably shouldn't be on the internet in the first place.
When you constantly see one version, u get used to it.
Being confused doesnt mean one can not convert one to another. But that's unintuitive, same as understanding non-native language, as you need to "translate" it first and digest then, instead of digesting right away.
No need to insult people, if you dont understand the problem.
Uhm, no. What you're describing is symptomatic of one not having learned a second language properly, you're supposed to be able to do the switch in the fly and not only communicate but also think in the secondary language without the need for any sort of translation.
The same applies to am/pm and 24h format, when you get used to both you can switch back and forth easily.
My suggestion is to keep the lines of thought in your mind separated, that way you can jump between them with minimal interference, like alt-tabbing for the brain.
As a native non-am/pm I can say it's a BS timeformat.
Actually your post shows, that you are the one who shouldn't be on the internet.
why is it that after 11am, follows 12pm and then 1pm? since when is 12 less than 1?
Exactly this, it's such a bullshit.
I always get lost with the midnight/noon times.
I hate that. I still make mistakes with that one.
I read that as "I still make milkshakes with that one" and was very, very confused.
Because am stands for "ante meridiem" (before noon) and pm stands for "post meridiem" (after noon). 12am is already a new day and that day hasn't reached noon yet so it's "before noon". 12pm is exactly noon and any second/minute after that is "after noon"
so why not 11am, 0pm, 1pm and 11pm, 0am, 1am?
if 1pm is 1 hour after noon, 12:01pm should be 0:01pm, it's 0 hours and 1 minute after noon.
I'm no clock/numers history expert but after a quick wiki check on clock history I guess that's how it got passed down.
It's either Babylonian's use of base 60 and the "lack" of 0 in not just the Babylonian numeric system but also in others (Roman for instance doesn't have 0 as a numeral) so time keeping would start from 1. Or maybe it's the Egyptians using base 12 with 1 to 12 sundials long ago which fit with the 12 lunar cycles and is easy to count on one hand since excluding the thumb there are 12 joints on the fingers.
Still I have no idea how down the line somewhere 12 didn't get replaced with 0 or at least "moved" back one hour so the day started at 1am instead of 12am.
Yep, trying to explain that to my daughter now, it is painful for both of us. And then there is the month-day-year confusion, “Can you put your date in the order that makes the least possible sense?”. Some people just like it harder :D
There are only a handful of countries using this outdated stupid am/pm system.
my post was neither in opposition to a profile setting option nor mocking
I have to use similar to convert from zulu, because it confuses me more and more as I get older
I'd definitely use that option, given the opportunity.
Wait - it ISN'T an option? I use AM/PM, but I agree it should be a supported format.
I'm curious though, could someone make a userscript to change it? I'm thinking it should be fairly simple.
No, it is hard-coded to use the 12-hour clock and that gods-awful horrendous calendar format that infested the Americas, where a week starts with Sunday instead of Monday. Because apparently starting the week with a day of the weekEND is logical…
I don't disagree that having Sunday as the first day of the week isn't great, but I find it funny to see someone characterize it as having "infested the Americas", when it has been the convention for thousands of years and was changed around by ISO just 3 decades ago, with just a few countries (mostly European) having decided to adopt it officially.
As Ameto noted-
Originally, the week began with Sunday and ended with Saturday, the (Jewish) day of rest. The day of rest later shifted to Sunday for most Christian branches, but the ordering of the week remained the same. While a desire to rebalance the day of rest to modern Christian conceptions had some influence on the shift to the recently conceived Monday-start format, the basis that was primarily given for the change was in a desire to make the calendar format match to modern (employment, scholastic, etc-derived) conceptions of "start of the week" and "weekend".
Traditionally, the days started and ended with sunrise and sunset, but as reliance on clocks and regulated time became more emphasized, we shifted into the current midnight-based format. While that change has been around throughout most modern conceptions, the change to the Monday-start week is recent enough to have only arisen to prominence with the past generation.
That is to say: Since the formation of the Gregorian calendar, our considerations toward time have adapted to cater to the technology and societal utility of more modern eras. The more out-of-touch a time-keeping concept appears, the more likely it is to be a legacy of another time, rather than something that popped up randomly amongst modern considerations.
In short, you can call America "behind the times", but as far as this topic goes, they didn't pick up anything that the rest of the western world didn't have first.
The US is still using the Imperial system. "Behind the times" is the mildest understatement you can call the general measurements they use.
I don't really find AM/PM confusing, but I would prefer 24h time.
And a poll would be useful for such questions.
So what's 12AM and 12PM? I understand the AM/PM thing (well, I actually remember them by remembering 'pro midnight' and 'after midnight' in English) but I can't apply that logic to the rounded 12 'o clock hours. I have a hard time remembering things without being able to apply logic to it, and when I read 12AM/PM, It's hard to wrap my head around it.
I really can't tell which would be 12:00 zulu time without cheating and looking up higher here.
Any advice on remembering those? :P
Well the clock face has no 0. It has 12. So it starts at 12 o'clock not 0 o'clock.
0 is between midnight and 1 second past midnight. null time.time starts after that.
So 12pm is noon?
12 AM is midnight, 12 PM is noon.
I know, totally bonkers, since AM means before noon and PM means after noon, so noon in this system is actually twelve hours after itself. But the spoken language usually just adopted with various variations of "12 o'clock at noon" and "12 o'clock at midnight".
I agree. In France, the 24H format is the standard.
For the love of god, yes please. Also an option to start the week on a Monday.
I would welcome that but I doubt it will be implemented.
Heh... that's like imperial vs metric system. :) Why have it simple if you can complicate things.
Wait til people start living on Mars and get a Martian time/date and Terra time/date
Happy cake day Pilda. :-)
+1, never understood how so many people start their week on Sundays... And AM/PM time, although often used orally to some extent, is damn confusing around 12am/pm (why isn't this 00am at the very least? :s)
We don't, for practical purposes the week starts on Monday, we just put the Sunday in front in the calendar but still consider it as part of the weekend. Since the weeks wrap around and start where they end the whole first day of the week thing is kind of irrelevant.
Obviously I meant, how so many people find it normal that a calendar puts Sunday as the first day of the week, not that many people actually start their week on Mondays ^^
Just as I like viewing my 5 weekdays together, I like viewing my week-end days together. Splitting the week-end is kind of confusing, the same way setting the start of the week on Wednesday or Thursday would be. So putting the Sunday right where it belongs is the first thing I do whenever I setup a new calendar.
Still, that's something really minor for a site like SG, I usually start my GAs immediately and think of their duration as "now + Xh or very few days" so I don't really care how the days are placed in this very particular case.
Pretty much every kid at some point asks why Monday isn't the first day of the week, then when you grow up you realise that it hardly has an effect on daily life.
it is the first day of the week in many places.
"According to the international standard ISO 8601 it is the first day of the week"
if they put it as an option yes. if they replace the current system, no.
I support all options. I'd even support tossing out AM/PM, it's a goofy division of the day.