Is this a tabu subject here? What is SG's opinion about people who mainly like to collect games instead of playing them?

It is easy to see, or think that I might be one. And I kind of are. The thing is, I'm just building up my library, so one day, when I put together enough money, I can get a decent PC/laptop and enjoy them all the right way, not full of lag or with the bare minimum requirements. Also, time is a big issue for me when it comes to playing, but more than receiving from this community, I'm more worried about giving. It's the least I can do I guess.

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Games are a form of art and with art comes collectors.

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+1

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totally

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Well, Who really gives a fuck? XD as long as they buy it right?

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What if you bought some X or Y or Z game that you really damn enjoyed it, and would like to buy a copy so that someone here would enjoy as much as you did, and that person never even tries the game?

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If you give it away with that intent, it might feel a little harsh yes. But well, we all know we are a bunch of collectors here I think.

If you really feel lioke giving the game to someone you know will play it (which off course is never guaranteed, someone might simply think it's great, but not like it when playing it).

But yeah, I always feel a bit guilty for not playing my previous winnings. Even though I have them all installed, I simply haven't found the time (and for some, GPU) to play them.

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But they do enjoy it. As a collector myself I comb my library sometimes and attach significance to a lot of my games. Most of the times I remember which bundle/sale its in and maybe the discount I got it at or how I got screwed out of a larger discount. Just because it may not get played doesn't necessarily mean it's appreciated any less.

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In this respect it bothers me, and that's why I largely stopped entering giveaways (completely on SG, although I still enter occasionally on the GOG forum). I know I won't play most games any time soon, so if another winner might play them it's better for them.

I try not to collect games, but it's just hard not to.

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Steam and your Subscription(s) require the automatic download and installation of Software onto your computer. Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Software for your personal, non-commercial use (except where commercial use is expressly allowed herein or in the applicable Subscription Terms) in accordance with this Agreement, including the Subscription Terms. The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software. To make use of the Software, you must have a Steam Account and you may be required to be running the Steam client and maintaining a connection to the Internet.

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YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AND VALVE ARE GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND TO HAVE A TRIAL BEFORE A JUDGE OR JURY.

Sorry, I may be a little pissed right now. Merry Christmas. Edited for formatting.

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I feel like some DLC for Deus Ex should be in place here...

Where is the missing link? :S

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Game collecting is literally license collecting. I love gaming on Steam, but people turn a blind eye to this fact and act as if their Steam account is infallible.

Hence, I see game collecting on Steam (and other DRM platforms) as a silly activity. Get the games you want, but getting every game that's on the platform with no intention of playing them... I can't help but judge. I'm trying not to these days, but the value vs. tradeoff, I can't see it being equal.

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I'm not worried. If steam ever decides to revoke all my licenses for some reason I'll just go back bittorrent. Yaar!

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be careful when mentioning pirating around here. but yes, I agree, I would do the same if it happened to me. thinking about the possibility of it makes me sad though.

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I think it's hard to buy a game now without running it through some DRM service. Whether its Origin, Steam, GOG, or another store, it becomes very hard to buy a game and not have it be linked to some form of management like Steam. If you lose your account, then your physical copy means nothing, especially now that GWL is gone.

I have about 50 games on Steam, and my library is always expanding. It's not really a collection, but just a blob of games I enjoy or have wanted to play. There's no point in collecting mass games anyway. A lot of the time, those old console games like NES or N64 cartridges used to be a symbol of dedication, or maybe you have the hope it will become worth something. You can't very well sell those digital copies or really have much to show for it.

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GOG is DRM free.

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+1!
The Humble Store also has some DRM-free games.

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Collect precious art, and it can be destroyed in a fire. Collect coins or stamps or jewellery and it can be stolen. Collect DRM-free games and your HDD may die (and your cloud backup provider goes under).

Nothing is forever. Who cares what people collect and how?

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if i buy several collector coins those coins' physical ownership is now mine and i can modify and resell at leisure (not going into copyright). if i buy a game (or any piece of commercial software), i only get a non distributable license for a piece of software that i cannot modify, trade or lend without stepping on the tos (usually; family sharing is making baby steps with this but nothing firm on legal side). i don't think you don't know of the difference when you made those comparisons.

i respectfully disagree with your opinion.

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And yet you agreed to those terms of service. Disagreeing or taking issue with their terms gives you 2 options;

1) Don't agree in the first place
2) Discontinue using their service

Arguing about how the terms are so unfair is really funny when it comes from people who already agreed to it.

It's like agreeing for someone to slap you in on the ass, and then once it happens whining about how they shouldn't be allowed to do it. you agreed to those terms, deal with it.

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Is DRM free really the best way, though? As I see it, the only way to truly treat games like normal goods would be to lock each copy down to its own unique disk (no installation) which is pretty much what console gamers do. As soon as you add in installation, you're pretty much locked down to two options:

  • A licensing system like we have now, where multiple installations are allowed but only one can be used at once.
  • DRM Free, where an infinite number of installations are allowed, and all of them can be used at once, meaning that resale of that item wouldn't make any legal sense. To go back to the coin analogy, resale of a DRM free game would be like selling someone else your coin while keeping the same exact coin for yourself.

Edit: A good compromise would be a more standardized licensing system, where services like Steam manage the games you own, but allow for exporting the licenses, for resale or for migration to another service (like the game disk concept, but with installation and a purely virtual format).

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If we're talking here on SG it kinda bothers me.
I don't see what's the point in entering for a game you'd never play, but then again lots of people enter for games they'll never play and some even trade/re-gift them away. If you're saving up for a PC that's understandable.

In general? Don't really have a problem with it since it's their money. Collecting games on Steam will never be cool as collecting physical games though.

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I have no right to judge; I own 750 games, and I've probably only even downloaded half of them. Fortunately, I have a brother who plays a ton of stuff from my library using Steam Family Sharing, so I don't feel too terrible. If I win a game, I put it at (or near) the top of my "to play" list.

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Let them collect if they want to, none of my business.

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^ Let fat nerds be fat nerds.

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I'm in the same boat!!

The thing is, you tell yourself that it's for "one day"
One day, I have all the games I want + the pc I want so problem solved.
Think again, the numbers of games around is increasing very fast, and now with that greenlight thingy it's not even hard to publish one.
"One day, imma play those games soooo bad!!" but chances are that you won't even touch half of the games in your library.
Time is not on your side either. You will have less and less time to play them due to family and work.
I'm sure many of the games in your library are well playable on your current pc. Face it, you like collecting games more than playing them. Alot of us do... Like me.

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Does it bother you if someone collects Barbie dolls and keeps them in the original packaging?

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yes it rages me out

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Myself, I first used steam back when Counter-strike made the jump from 1.5 to 1.6 on the steam platform; back then there was not even a thought about what steam has now become. When it was being beta'd, I absolutely hated it because it was different and it was just so buggy. I got used to CS on the steam platform but never batted an eye at anything else and uninstalled the software around 2005.

I came back to steam a little more than 3 months ago and I was completely amazed as to how big and robust it had grown; the friends, steam store, community, everything was so overwhelming.

Now, I find myself stockpiling games because my computer is too outdated to play a lot of the newer titles. Rather than spending money on cheap games, I should be saving said money for new parts.

Steam is convenient, and that's what I think a lot of people like about it; you don't need to fuss around with discs or go looking for them when you want to install a game. I'm sure everybody has there reasons to like or dislike it. I don't care for cloud stuff because my internet is pretty slow compared to the rest of the world, but it's convenient having everything in one place without having to worry about where to keep it.

Long story back on topic and shortened, I personally like to collect games, because I know I will eventually get around to play them. Still haven't touched MGS4 and I bought it on launch.

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Steam sucked so bad back then, I stopped playing CS and TFC for awhile.

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I was bummed when 1.6 disallowed buying weapons when you were a lone spectator and then carrying them over into the first round. Having an Ak and shotgun on scoutzknivez servers was pretty fun.

Steam was why I stopped playing a bunch of my favourite games; just made them un-enjoyable for that time. They have come a looong way.

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I'm pretty sure most of us do this to some extent. I know my library is full of unplayed (or barely played, or idled for cards) titles that I bought for "some day". My rational is always the same - I may not want to play it now, but someday I surely will and it's really cheap now! Hell I've never even run half the games I own, although a lot of those are bundle games I didn't really want in the first place.

I'm getting better though. I feel like there's a natural progression for the steam junkie where for awhile you buy pretty much anything if it's cheap enough, but as the backlog grows it's only natural to get pickier. Now I rarely buy a game that won't be going straight to the front of the queue, and I've skipped a lot of bundles.

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My thoughts exactly!

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As long as I have the money, I have the right to buy whatever I want.

And actually the true price of a game = the retail price + hours spent on it x your hourly wage

Instead of spending 200 hours on a game, you could have earned 1000 ~ 2000 dollars at least (depending on your region and profession). Many people play over 30 hours of video games a week, which translates into 1500 hours annually. We are talking about $7500 to $15000 of potential income lost.

The whole Steam collection, if bought during sales and bundles, costs less than $15,000. So basically I just need to working fxxking hard for a year to be a collector. Playing or not is a personal choice. I myself would prefer to work and earn more.

In fact, I strongly believe that people from developing countries (no offense, my country China is also a developing country) should not play as much game as those from the West. The difference between developed and developing means they have done their work and we have yet to do ours. So when I see some South Americans, South-east Asians and Eastern Europeans play 30 hours of video games a week, I can't help but feel sorry for them and their countries.

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You're assuming that people can just work as many hours as they want. Most people (who are lucky enough to have a job in the first place,) work a certain amount of hours per week , and that's that. They might volunteer to work overtime, but employers don't generally like paying the extra money (at least in the US we have a 40 hour work week, and any hours worked beyond that must be paid at least 1.5x the normal rate) and good luck finding a second job (that will schedule you around your first job) with so many people out of work. Your simplistic formulation might hold true for a few freelancers, but not for most working people.

And besides, working all the time is bad for your mental health. There really are more important things in life than money.

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I don't know. But I guess many American men with family would rather work beyond that 40 hours even if they get 1.0 x normal rate only. Unpaid OT work is out of the question, of course.

20% of American people are functionally illiterate. Of course, most of them are black and Latino, with some white and Asian. So the real unemployment rate, which is the official rate + those already on social welfare, should be around 20%.

I am not against playing one or two hours of video game occasionally. But playing games like a day job is definitely not healthy.

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It's actually about 99% of adult Americans, that today, can read and write.

Not bullshit. It's #2.

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You have just demonstrated the very definition of functionally illiterate.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy

US suffers from 20% of its population being functionally illiterate, a very bad figure for a developed country.

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That's because of our "superb" education system.

USA #1 in being #2... -_-

As for the topic of this thread, I guess I would be considered a "game collector" because I have such a massive backlog of games on Steam. That's because, up until November 2nd of this year I had to do all gaming on an HP G71 Core 2 Duo(2.2Ghz/4GB RAM) notebook circa 2008(refurb). I've only recently built a budget gaming desktop that has allowed me to begin tackling some of the games that required better specs to play them at an enjoyable level.

(My specs = AMD FX-6300, 8GB RAM, MSI Radeon R7 250 2GB GPU on an ASRock 970 Extreme3 R2.0 ATX motherboard. The R7 250 works surprisingly well in all of the AAA games that I've played so far, I haven't seen any lag on med-high settings)

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I would think that the vast majority of people with families would rather spend their time with said families then working for the man 24/7.

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Wow, so economic ignorance and racism? You're on a roll, buddy.

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You forgot to add sexism as he implied only men work.

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Wow, how could I have missed that? It's a hat trick!

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Who take care of the children if mothers go to work?

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The fathers?

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Daycare services, babysitters, relatives, super close friends, the list goes on.

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This man is funny :3

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Others pointed a few other things so I'll add this. Lots of people have sit down jobs or jobs with lots of down time where they still have to be on the job just in case but are idle. Some of those people have to option to play a game part of the time they are at work and still get paid. Call center workers when call volume is low, programmers waiting on stuff to compile, company IT workers waiting for something to break, some security guards, and the list goes on and on.

Saying that playing a game costs you money is bonkers. It also completely overlooks people whose job it is to play games. Testers, guide authors, people competing for money, workers in certain game stores running demos, etc....

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There's a distinction between beneficial and harmful economic activity. You may as well decide to sleep just a three hours per night, but I doubt your work productivity will significantly increase, due to your newly acquired chronic tiredness. Also you're not taking into consideration some basic economic factors like opportunity cost. There's a reason why GDP, even per capita, is not a flawless measure of wellbeing.

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It's funny because I spend 10+ hours a day playing games... And I am a student. I have no read a single book since... hmmm... middle school. lol Gaming is just OP fun. Oh, and before you say it, I don't care about not finding a job since I will suicide when school ends. I am not an idiot to work and do stuff like that. I prefer to end my life hapily playing games! <3

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don't hate me D:

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It's quite stupid, since it's a subscription, not physical.

You bought a game? Play it. How you can. When you can. Else, it's a disrespect to the developers and publishers.

I still need to play tons of games and considering I love to 100% games, I don't have enough time in my lifetime to play them all. But I try my best.

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You are contradicting yourself here since the majority of your games have 0 to 1 hour of playtime.

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All physical copies are subscriptions as well. Granted if they lack any kind of DRM or service attached to them you can play them even after the hell freezes over, but that still doesn't change the business model.

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I'm not a collector by choice. I have a lot of games that I've bought simply because they were very cheap and I just haven't gotten around to playing them yet. Add into that bundles and its insane how quickly (Ive been a regular Steam user for about a year) my collection has grown. I decided to switch over to PC exclusively around this time last year and have also picked up games that I really enjoyed on console to have their PC cousins available. Its almost entirely due to these bastard sales, altho I havent really had a lot of luck this sale yet. I spent about $300 during summer sale, and haven't even spent 10% of that yet.

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I wonder when steam (or valve) go bankrupt, will the service be unavaliable and some people kill themselves?

Of course, most of us will live longer than steam :3

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Gabe Newell have said the authentication service would be turned off if that happens. Although I don't know where you are going to download your games from even if this happens.

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The service will be unavailable and with it, the TOS will cease and all licenses suspended/killed depending on their agreements with the publishers.

Who knows what the moral cost will be.

I can't find anything substantiating that story of Steam allowing patches for DRM-copy games.

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Oh, com'n, you really think that if Valve goes bankrupt, Steam dies with it? I doubt companies will just pass on the opportunity to buy Steam. And Steam will probably live as long as PC gaming lives if not longer.

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What can I say? Games pile up faster than you can play them, especially when you have a shitty computer.

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I never buy games just because 'they are on sale', but when I buy a game I want from a bundle, it usually comes with 3 or more games, which remain on my library without being touched (and I buy it from a bundle because, well, it's cheaper). Now (some months ago) I started activating just the game I want and keep the others for trading, I dont need more games I wont play on my library.

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I play a ton of games but I just have more than an human being can handle.

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IKR, i wish there was a site that tells you how much time you can spend playing all your games.

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Thanks but that's not what i meant (Sorry for the broken English)

I would like to know an estimation of how much time in the future i can spend playing.

Like "Game 1 has an average completion time: 8 hours" "Game 2 10 hours" If i have both it will tell me i have 18 hours of possible play time.

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Was just about to link that one :)

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^

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Exactly like i had in mind thanks!

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I know I am somewhat that way, though I only buy a game or enter a giveaway for a game I am genuinely interested in playing, it's just that I don't have time to play them all. It's definitely a habit that came from playing console games for so long because eventually those games go out of print and become hard to obtain (especially if you like the more obscure or niche games that got limited print runs), so I feel a need to buy a game I'm interested in while the price is right and it can be bought. It's just difficult to get out of that mindset entirely and because of that my backlog keeps on growing faster than I can play games.

But truly, the number of games I've won is nothing compared to what I've bought and I've given more games than won. I'd not think poorly of someone who hasn't played a lot of their games as long as they are interested in playing the games and are giving back to the community as well. That and not whining about not winning giveaways.

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People collect all sort of things, so it comes with no surprise that people also collect games, but at the same time, I think it's pretty dumb to collect games on Steam purly for collecting, I collect games on Steam because I also plan to play them, and as a product I'm gonna use and not just collect, I prefer it to be on Steam purly for the comfort of use, but for someone who doesn't play games, Steam has only disadvantages and absolutly no advatages. Unless the person wnats to collect games specificlly as a Steam library collection.

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Well, i don't really care what you do with your games, but just collecting them to show off is a waste. Games are meant to be played, and not collected.

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lol @ anyone giving a fuck about what others think.

whether you collect, play, or rub steam games on your titties, it truly does not matter.

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I'm waiting on playing a lot of games until I upgrade to a better computer; many of my games play badly or won't run at all on my current box. A lot of games also got backlogged because I didn't have a controller, too, and I didn't like playing them on keyboard. I also tend to be cyclical on types of games I want to play at any given time, but I know I will really like them in the future, so I will shop for them in advance.

I ended up with some games I didn't want to play from bundle sites -- earlier on I didn't realize that it was okay on some bundles to give away unwanted keys, so I activated all of them, and there are some bundles which disallow giveaways even if you have duplicates. I'm glad Humble changed it so you can gift duplicates.

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Not only i sometimes buy games that my computer can't play, I even buy games i KNOW i won't be play (Like old games GTA 1/Duke nukem 1/Doom 1) for just the sake of having the complete collections.

So i think it's normal, or we both need professional help.

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