Does Microsoft have the upper hand now, or is Sony still ahead of their game?

that sentence did not make any kind of sense, sorry. Like, just look at first-party titles on the PS3. Heh, I would even argue that there is a lot of kinect games to be unveiled yet. If thats what most "adults" are interested in, then I will rather stay with the "childish" games.

Uh yeah no. Knack looks incredibly awesome. Saying "most adults" is just... well naive.

"that I like."

Can't look at it that way. Have to look at whether or not the exclusives announced are quality regardless of preference. So far, I don't see any exclusives I like, but the line-up is solid, and they still have more to announce.

NaughtyDog's with PS is enough for me.

What has Microsoft got as exclusives these days?

343 isn't Bungie, and Halo 4 showed it. Titanfall looks like COD with mechs as killstreaks, played on Battlefield's maps. (Okay, that's probably exactly what a lot of people want. But it doesn't exactly scream "amazing".) Ryse looks more like cutscenes than a game, the little bit of actual game looked weak, the QTE finishers looked like they'd wear out their welcome fast, and the cutscenes didn't even look particularly good. Crimson Dragon is a 360 Kinect game that was turned into an Xbox One game with controller support, and the controller support was allegedly rather poorly done (though that could be improved before release). And there is no telling how Killer Instinct will turn out (made by a studio with a poor track record, but also has some fighting game guys working on it, but one of the guys brought in has supposedly said that he was unhappy with the way the game was going,...)

I'm not saying that Sony is necessarily doing much better on exclusives. (Nintendo has some decent exclusives, but the Wii U will likely spend large chunks of its life starved for games. Good exclusives can help sell a system, but the system needs other games as well, and that is Nintendo's weak spot.)

Emulation on pc is diff cuz arch is diff, wasnt any point to build a ps3 like machine cuz it would be expensive and u would have to get the chips from the same factory.

ps2 games were emulated through profiles on ps3, sony has the tech to include it in the ps4 but didnt bother.

MS has to set up profiles in a less complicated fashion to get xbox games on xbox 360 but dropped it as it was profitable. Can easily be done when they own all the tech for the system, so cut costs and maximise any potiential resale of same products...

That's because they were an entirely different architecture, which with the PS4 and XBO is no-longer the case, there won't be any emulation involved, it would be more like using Wine on Linux.

I would kill for an emulator for PS3 right now....

My PS3's disc drive is broke... ;-;

Your thinking in terms of getting it to run on a pc with access to different hardware, but sony owns everything they need and ran emulation profiles for ps2 games on ps3 before releasing ps3 that no longer supported it.

The only problem was the architecture was different which they could of included in along side the existing set up to run through a separate core but they didnt cuz instead of charge more for ps4 they jst rather charge u for games and keep the price high anyway. The have the factory for it but wateves.

And MS already has emulators and emulated some xbox games to xbox 360 but dropped it after a few titles.

Casual gamers.

Kinect is better then Wii controls? Odd I cant remember one good Kinect game ever, I can think of many good wii games, was playing Trauma Center yesterday, Wii controls worked great, cant see that working on a Kinect.

Also, non lazy people, its fun to move around sometimes, also motion controls doesn't = jump like an idiot for 30 mins, it can be precise hand motions.

wut wut wut? Wii Motion + is far superior to kinect as far as I am concerned. At least Wii had good games. Kinect games....not so much.

indeed funny, that the best "system" is considered the worst by everyone then^^

I don't know. It's a pretty major gaffe as far as I can see, particularly since right up to the point of their U-turn, Microsoft were aggressively defending their stance, and banging on incessantly about the rationale behind their decision, and how in time we'd all learn to grow fond of it.

No matter what they're claiming, this isn't (and never was) about listening to their customers. This is about NOT listening to what the customers wanted AT ALL (no customer would EVER "want" the sort of draconian DRM bullshit that was on offer). This was about backing themselves into a corner and, in the face of a PR shitstorm, defending themselves with all the ferocity of a cornered beast. It was ONLY THEN, after aiming flurry after flurry of futile blows against concerned customers and press articles alike, that they realised their position had become utterly untenable, and the only destination at the end of this course of action was a massive hit to their bottom line.

That's listening to their accountants, not listening to the customers. What bunch of misguided tosswits could ever invisage a world where consumers would greet this sort of BS with giant shit-eating rictus grins, and lubed up posteriors?

An embarrassing climbdown that could have been avoided if they'd bothered to do any homework at all on their customers, and what they wanted.

Not that Sony would have done things any differently IMHO. Their lucky break was that they came to the party second, and watched the whole kerfuffle unfold from a safe distance. They were fortunate enough to have time to hide the bottle of meths they'd turned up with behind a bush, and grab some nicely aged port, turning up at the party looking every bit the refined gentlemen, with Microsoft left lying unceremoniously in a pile of broken glass, meths and their own vomit.

Also, apologies for the football metaphor. This is an own goal of the magnitude we're talking about... Here is another.

:D

and before some1 says im just a xbox fanboy, its not true, i own both ps3 and xbox 360 and play many games on both. halo and gears of war on my xbox, uncharted and recently last of us on my ps3

Again, this is also just an opinion. Most the people i know prefer the PS controller over the xbox, but that's because they play more PS3 than Xbox. And i've never seen anyone complain about their two thumbs hitting each other while playing with a PS3 controller. Maybe if you put your whole thumb over it then yea i could see that happening, but why would anyone do that? That would just be uncomfortable.

This. Opinions, opinions. Imo, for example, none of the games announced so far are enough to make me consider dropping that much money on either console. Plus with all the PR bullshit circling these events nobody really knows which games will actually end up being trully exclusive.

Yep that knocks it off the list, if anyone disagrees the OUYA has a ton of exclusives, more then both the Ps4 and One ;-P!

this is why i said when console wars, didnt calculate pc in the mix, every1 knows pc is a more open ended system, but it lacks games like gears of war, halo, and dead rising 3 from xbox, or infamous, uncharted, and killzone from playstation. thats why i choose to buy all of them, but thats only bc im fortunate enough to have the money to do so,

titanfall is a console exclusive, which is what this discussion is about, ofcourse pc gets alot of the games consoles call exclusive, but not all of them

Honestly I am not a big fan of it but it still shows how bad the newer systems looked to people, bad enough to boost sales like that.

I don't own one and probably wont until its dead and on a shelf for 100 bucks.

^ Xbox Fan boy, Too much?

"Mostly every1"... haha I'm not sure in what reality you live but no self-respecting gamer has a cam...

People buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo IP's usually, so thats pretty much the reason to own one I would say, thats how its been for a while with Nintendo systems.

That said I rather play my Snes right now :-P

Oh I know, but I'm pretty patient about all this, it might be Wii-U or PS4 when a good amount of time has passed, or neither..

There are actually some tempting titles on Wii-U getting announced, and ones that I keep hearing about, plus it feels a lot different from the PS4xXbone big boys gen.

I've recently been emulating some old Mario/Zelda games and I have been missing out on so many good games that it's almost a shame, hehe.

But yeah, who cares, heh.

They'll come. We've at least got some decent games coming out before year's end, and let's not forget the new Smash coming out next year. I'm patient enough to wait, but not patient enough to only play on a Wii U. :)

What is smart glass?

Nope, and nope. PS4 also has a smartglass-like app for IOS and Android platforms. With the same features. Remote play on the PSVita is a totally different thing altogether.

... "Smart Glass vs Vita"? Wat?
PSVita is a mobile Gaming Console like a Nintendo 3DS.
Smart Glass is a remote app that lets you do a few nifty things via your phone/tablet like stream a movie on phone/tablet to your TV.

I fail to see how these can be compared, they are two totally different products.

'Everyone has a Smartphone'...I don't. But I'm planning on getting a Vita, does this mean get a PS4?

True. UPlay also has an offline mode. However there are games that require you to be online to play them. But that's not the point. The point is you do need an Internet connection to at least activate the games.
But it doesn't matter anymore since MS removed all Xbox One DRMs as of today.

This is true about Netflix.. however PS4 WIll require PSPLus for MP.. so MOST gamers will opt for PSPlus .. which means Netflix will be a non-issue

Well said.

Nah, they just launched it for the old xbox, that'd be good thing to advertise with it, so probably they will not.