Do the RAM cost the same in your Country? After bit googling here the white ones cost 20-30€ more than the Black ones, and id rather save or invest that money in better Hardware as fancy Color difference. Especially since you usually dont look into the Tower anyway
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Both RAM cost the same in my Country since they are the same but only different in Lighting.
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At this point 480-512GB NVME SSD shouldn't be too much more than regular SSD. Ofc that can be added later.
Better RAM would also be good jump in future.
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Yep. I might go above the 3000 but would be sweet if I can find one on Sale at a good price and not too much on RGB unless its simple Lighting Black & White.
I might do indeed replace the SSD though going to be a pain to move the OS.
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Honestly, that should be fine. I wouldn't worry about upgrading anything until the next generation of PC hardware. It sounds like you've already bought these items?
If you have a large game library, consider a 1tb NVME or SATA SSD.
If you have a large media library, consider a 8-16tb HDD.
16gb of ram should be fine unless you're keeping 100+ tabs open on a regular basis on your browser of choice. Even then, just make sure to relaunch your browser every few days to clear memory leaks and greedy websites.
What's your monitor?
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Currently just using a 32' Samsung TV as my Monitor, lol.
I have QUITE a Large Library games that most are on my 4 1TB WD Blue External HDD. That's a Total of 4TB.
I will go for a Black WD as a 3rd Slot or replacing the current HDD.
SSD is really expensive though I can see it as a Investment. Maybe a replacement for the Main OS Drive.
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One way you could save money is to skip getting new HDD now and just opening and using one or two of those external HDDs...
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So, I'd get an extra SSD drives just for the games you're currently playing. You can have more than one SSD installed, so you don't have to move over your OS install. Game loading times will speed up by a lot! Don't try and keep your entire steam library installed at the same time. Uninstall the games you're not playing. Your saved games should be saved in your profile so you won't lose progress.
Outside of storage, it sounds like your set. 2070 will be fine if not overkill for most of your games. Esp if you're only playing at ~1080p. If you're noticing regular slowdowns with a particular activity, ask how to speed that up without hardware upgrades first.
Try and save your money for your next computer and build that from scratch. Or just upgrade your video card in 1-3 generations depending on how your computer is responding.
Many people end up buying more computer than they regularly use. I try and advocate for buying a little under than what you think you need to start with, and if you really notice the slow down, you'll know where you need to invest more for your next computer.
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Dont worry. I;ve been gaming on a NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M for a very long time until I got the 1060 XD
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Brunei :) I got my parts from Malaysia since its Cheaper.
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You should submit feedback here ( https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/forum/1-site-feedback-and-feature-requests/ ) to ask for them to include sellers you usually buy from. pcpartpicker is a great resource and I wish more regions could use it, but the developers don't know what sites people like to buy from in many parts of the world.
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I did nearly the same setup, but i ivested in a R7 3700x was clearly the better choice instead of the R5 3600
R7 3700x / Gigabyte RTX 2070 Gaming OC White / MSI Tomahawk Max /Corsair 32GB 3200 Ram /Corsair RM 850x /Fractal Meshify C /
3 SSD Drives
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I was gonna go get the Ryzen 7 3rd Gen though it went above my Allocated Budget so I had to lower to Ryzen 5.
I will take into considering on the RAM Investment.
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https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/B450%20Pro4/index.asp#Memory
Are you sure you want to take that memory..it don*t see that its supported. okay it will of course work...but......
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Well, I could ask the Store Techs on Suggestion XD Maybe it will work.
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He's gonna get better gaming performance with a 3600 + 2070 Super than your combo. Sure yours is faster in workloads but not in gaming, 3600 doesn't really bottleneck anything, especially above 1080p.
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actually i think the difference is not that much...yes workload you are right and for me TDP was also important..and i like the bulk rgb fan
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It's sizeable, I've seen the benchmarks, it's 10+ fps at 1440p and 15-20+ fps at 1080p, even larger on really well optimized games. For a gaming PC on a strict budget I'd without a doubt rather fit in a better GPU over a better CPU as long as the CPU isn't a bottlneck. Not an RGB guy myself so that cooler isn't a great selling point for me :), I like the more discrete one on the 3600 tbh.
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Hence why I ask for Opinions for investment in any sort of way from the Community :D It my very 1st Dedicated Desktop PC as I'm originally a Gaming Laptop User for the past 13 Years and also a Console Gamer since the PS1 to the Ps4. (Sony Fan)
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If performance is what it's about then try to reduce the amount of local storage that you'll need. A single high capacity SSD could be enough in practically all (dedicated gamer pc) cicumstances. Be smart about it. Eliminate factors that contribute a lot of heat like hard disk drives. Also, take a look at extras that you don't need, and disable or remove them where possible, as well as making sure the insides of the pc look tight. For example, make sure to loop all cables out of the way of the airflow. Lower average temperatures is what makes sure all parts remain in good working condition and could give some overclocking potential. Less is more.
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Does being in a AC Room count? XD
Usually I kinda don't want to put anything in the main OS Drive and used a 2nd Drive for everything else like Games and Movies and Rendering stuff.
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I would suggest getting one of those 1TB SSD instead. (saw other comments, so not a priority)
About the monitor, get one with at least 144hz, and if you want, with 4k.
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Alright :) Though I'm gonna enjoy playing on a Large ass TV XD
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I use a tv as a second monitor (32``or so). I do this because I have a tv and not a second actual monitor (more recommendable).
The thing about monitor vs TV are ms and hz (where 1ms is the best and 144ish also is). Televisions don't have that.
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Well I'll be getting an actual PC Monitor next month anyway XD also 32'.
Just slowly eating my Salary per Month.
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If your tv is 5ms there is no need to get a monitor just for that if you arent into competitive gaming.
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I do tend to play lots of Rainbow Six Siege though on Casual XD
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Then i think it would be a waste of money. I suggest saving them and using them in case you see you need to get something extra for your build after you start using it.
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I would suggest you pick up a bigger SSD - those things are super cheap right now.
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Sadly SSD are not Cheap in my Region.
Not all Country Store will follow Global Marketing Pricing which is annoying as hell.
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Ryzen really benefits from increased memory speeds. I personally wouldn't go any lower than 3200 MHz if at all possible. Also, Your SSD is doesn't have DRAM, which means it won't be ideal as a boot drive.
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I would get faster RAM like 3200Mhz at least for example or more if same price.
And I wouldn't get a HDD at all, it will only slow down your PC, better get only SSDs, it feels way better and conserves you lots of time, problems and nerves(which worth's way more than some saved money), even if it means getting like 480-500Gb SSD instead. If you want a HDD better get an external one later in future, like from Toshiba, to just store stuff there and disconnect it again, or use some cloud system.
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8 GB of RAM only? That's really low, compared to your budget and the other components.
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Looks good to me. A WD Black and a bigger SSD should cover you for years to come. Congrats on your new build and enjoy it without worrying too much about upgrading it right now. You can always do it later on.
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weird flex but ok
oh yeah get a small ssd (like 120 or 256 gb ) just for the windows , it should help speed things up abit
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MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
The RX 5700 XT is cheaper and almost have the same performance but I understand you already bought all the parts so it's late now.
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Sadly they don't have AMD Graphics available and only had Nvidia Cards.
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Your card choice is excellent for 1440p, no reason to worry about it, it's not an issue. And it's better than that.
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10% difference on average isn't that big, you're paying 20% more in price for 10% more fps (even lower in 1440P). So I'd say test results agree with the person you responded to. Not that it matters, since OP already said he couldn't buy an AMD card.
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Investing in more expensive RAM is not worth it, you won't get a visible impact on performance. You can overclock the RAM you chose, but it's also not necessary. Buy at least a 500GB SSD, I bought a 120GB SSD on sale for half price and it was a mistake, I can't install both Witcher 3 and WOWS. Remember, modern game is ~75GB. Video card is ok, enough for playing everything in 2k resolution for 3 years.
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The SSD is mainly for OS Only XD Unless you mean get a seperated SSD for Gaming Purpose the yeah if I can find a Cheap one or on Sale. Currently I was thinking of using HDD WD Blue/Black for it.
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Games MUST be installed on SSD. And any black HDD for music/photo/video storing.
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Well almost every gaming I've been always using HDD WD Blue/Black. Didn;t really go much on SSD because of their prices.
I always focused SSD for OS usage and the only time I did put a game on SSD was just GTAV.
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Used HDD for gaming for 25 years and won't do it anymore. HDD are slow and noisy.
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Investing in more expensive RAM is not worth it, you won't get a visible impact on performance.
That's been shown to not be the case on Ryzen-based systems. AMD gets a decent boost from faster RAM speeds, unlike Intel. However, if the price jump from 2666 MHz to 3000 is huge in your region, it may be more beneficial to allocate those funds to the CPU or GPU.
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This boost is like 1-2% at the cost of 50% price. Priorities must be set. Main thing is GPU, don't cut squares here, buy the most powerful you can afford. Then CPU. Most of the games do not even care about CPU, 6 cores Ryzen is enough, mostly CPU is critical for online shooters, I do not play them. Then RAM, minimum impact.
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It's more like a 5% - 15% increase, but yes, I agree with sticking the money where you'll see the most performance. Here, you can get 3200 for about 25% more than the 2666, so it's certainly worth it. Like I said, it depends on the region.
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No way, I do not believe in 10% increase, it's impossible. In some cases - probably, but not generally. As I said earlier, RAM can be overclocked, also no need to buy branded RAM, cheap Chinese no named RAM is made from the same Samsung chips.
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No way, I do not believe in 10% increase, it's impossible. In some cases - probably, but not generally.
Well, I mean, You can watch the video I sent you and see for yourself. There are other videos available if you don't believe me.
As I said earlier, RAM can be overclocked, also no need to buy branded RAM, cheap Chinese no named RAM is made from the same Samsung chips.
SOME RAM can be overclocked. Even the same kit models can vary in their ability to be boosted above their approved speeds.
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I've watched a lot of videos, spoke to many men, while constructing my PC, first time I hear RAM frequency impacts anything, probably you're cherrypicking to justify money spent on RAM. I have 8GB of dirt cheap Chinese no name DDR4 2400 or 2666 mhz, I don't even remember, and it does not impacts anything, FPS is high as the sky.
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I have 8GB of dirt cheap Chinese no name DDR4 2400 or 2666 mhz, I don't even remember, and it does not impacts anything, FPS is high as the sky.
Are you using a Ryzen CPU?
Even if you are, your experience is anecdotal. How do you know it doesn't effect anything when you have nothing to compare it to? "High as the sky" is meaningless when framerates can always be improved.
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Ryzen 5 2600X. Easy: I can compare my FPS with the tests made by others with the same GPU and CPU. Logic, mate )
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Cool, but still anecdotal. Just because you have a 2400-2666 kit that miraculously works exactly the same as 3200-3600 , doesn't mean that the vast amount of evidence indicating otherwise is instantly wrong.
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I never said "it works like 3200-3600", don't play this straw man fallacy game here, I said RAM is the least important part of the PC in case of video gaming, and the minimal growth of performance is not worth the money they ask for it, that's what I said, can you remember that?
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You said it "doesn't impact anything". What else is that supposed to mean? What are you comparing it to?
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See what I've found on the Internet: frequency matters only until 2666, after that FPS changes are close to 1% every step. Now compare the price of 2666 mhz RAM and 3466 mhz RAM.
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You still have yet to post any evidence to support that claim.
But here are some more links to support mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHJ16hD4ysk
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ryzen-does-ram-speed-matter-that-much.3119800/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB857zSEdoM
Let me know if you need more.
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Any test on the Internet. I mean serious test, with spreadsheets and shit, not some video made to promote new overpriced products.
First link from Google. Last sentence:
In RealBench, memory acceleration to 2666 MHz raises performance by an average of 3%. Each subsequent frequency step adds about 1% to the final result.
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on Intel Core i3-8100 and Intel Core i5-8400 processors
Not Ryzen.
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Same with Ryzen.
You still have produced 0 evidence to support that.
Here is that spreadsheet you wanted:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3508-ryzen-3000-memory-benchmark-best-ram-fclk-uclock-mclock
The improvement bottom-to-top is 17.2%, which is pretty wild stuff without making any changes to to the CPU or GPU. Memory isn’t usually at the top of the list when looking for FPS improvements, but memory choice should not be made lightly, especially now that memory isn’t quite as overpriced as it has been in recent years.
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AMD R9 3900X, cool, huh, worth more than my Rog RTX 2070, thanks but no!
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I'm not sure how that makes the test invalid.
Also the new link you added is showing up to a 15% + increase with higher frequencies.
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I was thinking we're discussing things in the framework designated by the OP: performance for reasonable prices. We must keep our terms, otherwise no discussion, only chaos. The price on this CPU is crazy, it's the higher segment. Why not Threadripper then? Why not MIT supercomputer? For years the reasonable price for gaming PC was $1000. Now it's more, near $1500, my PC is close to $1500. Ryzen 9 is expensive, and it's not for gaming. The PC with this CPU will cost up to 3 grand, because it needs a 4k monitor, etc. I don't want to pay such money and most of the people too. At the moment I am scraping money here and there on a full-carbon road bike, it's a way more interesting investment. BTW I am a fan of American brand, Specialized. tldr: your argument is ridiculous.
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The performance of the CPU is not relevant to the discussion. The argument is centered on the Ryzen architecture alone.
I still believe I'm in the unique position of having actual evidence that isn't anecdotal. Still, I'm sure that no matter what test or study I produce, you will still find a fault in it that makes it useless.
I'm more than willing to back down if proven wrong, but as of yet, you have provided nary a shred of reason to believe I should.
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I remind you, you started to argue with me when I gave the advice to the OP, somehow I highly doubt he'd buy Ryzen 9 to experience the support of higher frequencies. This CPU is not even for gaming, it's for 3d-modelling and architecture, whatever, whoever buys it for gaming does a mistake, it's like those rich bitches on Moscow river promenades riding $3k road bikes at 15 km/h, god damn it, all thoughts about cycling again, I wanna ride, lol.
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The performance of the CPU is not relevant to the discussion.
Actually it is. You can't really compare the RAM performance increase with a 3900X on a very high end motherboard and a 3600 on a mid-range board (correction: on a $90 board). RAM performance with Ryzen is also affected by the number of cores on the CPU. You're not going to see as wide a margin between RAM speeds with the 3600. The more cores you have, the more RAM speed matters.
Even in your GamersNexus link, using the 3900X in testing, the increase from 2666Mhz and 3200MHz was negligible (5% or less in most tests at the same CL), and certainly not enough to purchase entirely new RAM. If you check all your sources carefully, you'll also notice the CAS Latency has a noticeable impact on performance - and you'll pay for lower CL, even at similar clock speeds.
If OP were using 2133MHz, then yes, I'd agree he'd benefit most from new RAM. But unless he's moving from something like 2666MHz CL18 to something like 3200MHz CL14, he's just wasting his money.
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Rams nowadays OC almost to equal level with exception most expensive overpriced top tier modules modules
For example My cheap 2666 CL20 go up to 3726Mhz CL16 1.4V * My MB limit too push this modules harder I need better motherboard :)
simply you no need better rams and I also using 2 Kingston and 2 Micron modules but both are this same chips Micron E-DIE
I used https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/ to find values for ram OC
Memory OC is also dependent to motherboard and CPU , my experience Asus A320 I reach 3600 CL 16 on MSI B350 Bazooka Cannot OC at all now on Ascrok B450 I have 3726Mhz CL16
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That 2666 MHz RAM kit is gimping the CPU a lot. You are losing 10%+ of performance on it compared to even a 3000 or 3200 kit. If you buy a Ryzen with a slow memory, you might as well not buy it.
You might as well get some half-decent NMVe SSD as a system drive instead. I usually recommend the Adata SX8200 as its performance is the same as a decent Samsung and it is dirt cheap. SATA3 drives for system on a new PC is just not worth it, this is not 2016.
The rest is okay, although a 1 TB HDD seems strange when usually a 2 TB one costs barely more. With games nowadays regularly pushing over 100 GB, not like drive space is infinite.
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NMVe is not worth it at all. Unless you care about 0.5s better boot and loading times. No cables is the only advantage for gamers / normal users.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM
NVMe is only useful for databases (if the workload is high) or you need a lot of very fast file transfers.
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Too expensive x.X At least the WD SSD ones are more affordable.
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I'd go with a 3700/3700X instead of a 3600. You're trying so hard to make it future proof, but you're kinda throwing it out of the window by going for 12-threads instead of 16-threads.
Also, take atleast 3.2Ghz RAM. Or else you're not using your Ryzen 3000 CPU to it's full potential.
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I'd nerf the GPU to something cheaper, even an RX 5700 XT would be a bit cheaper than a 2070S. If you must, go even further down to 2060S or a RX 5700 (non XT, and biosflash it as a XT if you dare doing stuff like that) and invest in 3.2Ghz RAM for that Ryzen 3600.
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Sadly they dont have AMD Gpu as its kinda a Nvidia Dominant Market.
I did thought on the 2060 but doesn't really feel worth over the 1060 30% improvement and the 2070 was having a Promo Sale which is RARE to see it get a 60% Discount o.O SO I had to take it.
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3600 is 6 cores, 3700 is 8, stop talking nonsense. And it's plenty for gaming, no bottlenecking.
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With a 3600, the GPU will be the bottleneck for years to come. Downgrading the GPU for a better CPU would be crazy.
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I said downgrade the GPU for faster RAM. Not for the CPU itself.
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I would agree with that if OP could find a 5700 XT for a REALLY good price. Downgrading to a 2060S or a regular 5700 wouldn't be beneficial in most games.
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OP already said above there are no AMD cards to buy for him. If he could, I'd pick the XT anyway since losing 10% FPS on average while saving 20% of the 2070S price would be handy for him/her to use on something else. Like a bigger SSD or a game or 2 to test your new rig with.
That being said, I heard that you could unlock a non-XT 5700 to a 5700 XT. Not something I would recommend to do unless you know what you're doing.
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That being said, I heard that you could unlock a non-XT 5700 to a 5700 XT.
Neat, I haven't heard of that. Sounds like something to look into!
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It is possible to flash bios of XT to non-XT card. But it will not change non-XT to XT.
It will give performance boost, but not as much to match vanilla XT. It's like +5%.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/flashing-amd-radeon-rx-5700-with-xt-bios-performance-guide/7.html
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Get a bigger SSD.
I'd also switch out the CPU for a 3700 if the price difference isn't too bad in your region.
Other then that it looks good.
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Cancel that unless you need it for heavy workloads, gaming won't make any difference. Get faster RAM and sell this one, get 3200 or preferably 3600. Also I'd invest in a 1440p 144hz Gsync compatible monitor instead of that TV, will make a massive difference in your experience.
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Well I will be getting an actual PC monitor next month salary. Just NOT the Cruve Monitors. It doesn't feel right when I tried to used it. XD RAM will take maybe 4-5 Months to get better ones
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What's your budget? A great option would be LG GL850 or Asus VG27AQ, both great IPS 144hz Gsync compatible monitors.
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I have this same CPU and similar mobo infinite band OC 1866 rest on stock
Try OC your rams My cheap 2666 CL20 go up to 3726Mhz CL16 1.4V simply you no need better rams
I used https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/ to find values for ram OC
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Those timings are outrageous :D
But if it works for you - chapeu!
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As far as I can see the best thing to invest is a NVMe M.2 SSD since you are relying on a mechanical harddrive where (I guess) all your games are stored.
With RAM you can still OC if you really need that additional 334MHz to hit the 3000MHz. Of course your timings will increase slightly to do that.
I don't even know what your current PNY SSD performance is. A fast OS sure is the first thing to go which you apparently did. But again your game data and files are read and some are written to while playing, so you're basically bottlenecking that with the Toshiba harddisk drive.
Hit up Corsair MP510 960GB <OR> Patriot Viper VPN100 1TB.
Those are barely any more expensive than a SATA SSD but have 5-15x the performance a SATA SSD has (of course depending on the SATA SSD but they are physically limited to 500-550 MB/s)
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Sadly WD is the Dominant Brand here when it comes to Harddrive ._. There is also Kingston but rarely Samsung brands.
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WD Black SN750 NVMe SSD 1TB is about 190€ in my country.
It's 50-60€ more expensive than the 2 alternatives I told you to hit up and it's a little bit less performant.
Snatch them online even if you have to pay shipping you will get away with spending less money. While you're at it you can search for other hardware online. There are enough websites to compare prices and find one where the same product costs less.
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before you spend that much money on the wd black sn750 1TB you better get a 2TB sata sdd with decent performance!
I just suggestes the Corsair and Partriot NVMe SSDs because they are each about 130€ in my country. That's 60€ less than the WD Black SN750 for a bit better performance. The performance-to-cost value is good on those but not on the WD Black :P
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NVMe is a waste of money unless you actually need it. Stop looking only at synthetic benchmarks, and look at real world applications instead. Then you'll see that the difference in boot time and game loading time between an NVMe and a SATA SSD is less than 1s.
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you're probably right but why get an sata ssd when you can have a 10x faster and newer technology for about 20 bucks more.
His mainboard supports it, obviously an upgrade is necessary so why not?
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Because it's pointless to spend extra cash only because something is better, when you will not use it. That way it will be wasted cash.
I'd be more willing to grab bigger SATA SSD with those 20 bucks than going for smaller but more expensive NVMe.
But again your game data and files are read and some are written to while playing, so you're basically bottlenecking that with the Toshiba harddisk drive.
From what I see on their Steam profile they play mostly multiplayer games. SSD is useless there, as everyone will be kept in the lobby anyway, waiting for all people to load their games. As long as people will keep using HDD for online games it will be pointless to install games on SSD.
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I have stalker badge on Steam for a reason :blobevil:
But to be serious - I often hear this "buy large SSD for games!" argument. But people using it never consider difference between SP and MP games.
Yes, SSD will shorten loading times both in SP and MP games. But it will be of no benefit in MP games, as game needs to wait for everyone to load the map and connect to server. So you will load level super fast only to be stuck in spawn area.
I plan to buy PC soon(TM) and will go for 240GB SSD + 1TB HDD. Right now on OS partition I have 150GB free, so enough to install 2 big games or some smaller anyway. Or I could go for 1TB SSD if I'd resign from extra 240GB.
I thought about buying M2 drive, but they overheat like crazy. Esp if they are right next to the GPU.
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Well I don't mind loading screens when playing SP games since I'm always never in a rush :D
Yeah it can be annoying when people keep saying buy SSD but didnt take into account not always SSD is affordable to certain region as they tend to be so expensive due to Monopoly Market.
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you can't get a slightly larger ssd for an addtional 20 bucks and the next larger one is 2TB which will cost you even more if you want some decent performance on it.
Of course OP can save those 20 bucks and get a normal sata ssd.
Fact is the next upgrade he needs is getting rid of his harddisk drive.
Not a X570 mainboard for PCIe 4.0, not a Ryzen 7 3700x or whatever people are suggesting here.
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SSD are too expensive and I never bother as I am too comfortable with WD Blue and Black HDD
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Currently I've Build myself my very 1st Dedicated Gaming Desktop though I'll still be keeping my Gaming Laptop (MSI GE72VR 7RF Apache Pro Model). I'm a Gaming Laptop user for 13 Years and also a Console Gamer (Mainly Sony).
Specs as Listed:
I will be investing in the future (My Salary x.X) on getting better RAMs and a WD Blue or Black as a replacement to the Toshiba or fitting it as a 3rd Drive.
I would like to know the Opinions of the Community on what could be improved as a Investment. (Please don't suggest me to go 2080 because that one blows my Wallet due to my Region Pricing on how Stores Monopolized PC Parts and don't follow Global Pricing Market. I'm just happy getting the 2070 because it was on a Christmas Sale.)
Update: Here is the Image of the PC officially Built.
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