Edit: Looks like Win10 shutdown practices aren't near as forceful in the EU as they are in the States, so please keep that in mind when making your judgments. Likewise, note that you can still set a metered connection when using wireless internet, to prevent updates.


'cause I for one, am rather tired of literally going downstairs just for a cup of tea, and finding out that my computer managed to update itself in that 5 minute period, deleting all of my open data I was working on, wasting the manhours I'd put into such. This despite the fact that even if Microsoft wanted to play the brute force shutdown card [instead of, y'know, offering a prompt like any respectable entity would- or at the very least, giving an early notification warning, like they're bloody supposed to], the fact is that saving active data to hard-drive has been a thing for ages [See: Computer Hibernate function], so they're deliberately destroying our data just because they can.

So, short of someone wanting to "brighten my day" with their plans to light Joe Belfiore on fire, has there been any word on new legal efforts or fixes for the Win10 Malware? (Oh. and interesting fact: Yes, Win 10 updates do actually meet the requirements for being defined as Malware- which makes their persistence without legal interruption all the more ..curious.)

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my next pc/laptop will have LINUX too...

Windows is the most annoying OS i had...

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grew up with C-64 and MS-DOS and tested some Linux builds on my netbook... i can't wait to get a new system with Linux; it's just the money i need... :P

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never touch a running system... :P

tried alot builds on my netbook incl. lets say black hat builds to crack neighbors w-lan for fun... next year i want to get into "Python"; i think that will be the point i setup a new system with Linux for me...

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"You can find a lot of brands shipping their laptops and desktop PCs with Ubuntu already. It's cheaper since they don't have to pay any licenses and Ubuntu is pretty user-friendly nowadays."

You can also find a lot of PCs/Laptops in stores with windows already preinstalled, and with NO option to buy those models without Windows. The sellers are binded with contract here and can't even admit it officially because of non-disclose agreement.
"You can find a lot of brands ..."
more like
"You can find a lot of people self-assembling their own PCs so that they don't have to put up with even more microsoft's bullshit."

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I think is not just the donating part, but they have some votes ( not sure how many).
So ,yeah ... We are kinda doomed

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Well, that is a open backdoor for lobbying. Seeing how they behave, I wouldn't trust them for being harmless, how little they might be. They serve their own interests. Sometimes that can be good for consumers but not always.

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Thankfully asinine people who can't use logic like you are minority.

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You can't even spell 'leaches' properly.

Apparently logic doesn't work with people like you. To be expected.

PS: got 3k games, more than you.

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What I was trying to say is, what is my ratio correlation with the argument at hand?

Microsoft on Linux with my ratio?

You just wanted to retaliate, that's all.

But you asked about my ratio, then I explain.

I am here only to play roulette. No more no less. If I win, then so be it. If I lose e.g not win anything, then so be it. I've never wanted to give anything randomly to random people with RNG included.

The only game I gave away because I wanted to test the system personally, first hand experience (I think it was level 2 something on old SG that unlocks certain privilege I can't remember now). That's all.

If I want to give games to people, I do it privately. I don't do it for fame, rated by some random numbers on random internet site. Do I make myself perfectly clear?

If you want to continue arguing about the main topic, I'll do reply.

If you want to continue debating about leaches, then I'll just cast you aside and move on.

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but that aside microsoft has considered linux to be there biggest risk to there windows operating system

Wait, what? How would Linux put Windows to any risk? The only place where they compete are the (web) server OS market. Otherwise there is very marginal overlap in real-world applications of Windows and a UNIX derivate.

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That's 7 years old. And it also talks about the same thing: Red Hat sells support for enterprise-grade Linux, and those operating systems are used to run things Windows wouldn't be able to run in the first place. Same goes for SuSE. As for nettops and laptops, we all know what happened in the past 7 years on that market at Linux front: nothing.

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Just an example of how microsoft has always viewed linux as a threat so kinda weird for them to invest in it but i could understand them wanting to make some money off of software development for it,i personally dont care or have any opinions about it being a threat to there OS.

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Don't forget that MS had different leadership back then, and a different market share.

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The intrusive updates are the reason I never claimed my "free" upgrade to Win10. Win8.1 here and I'm happy.

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Same. If when Windows 8.1 becomes obsolete, Windows 10 (or its long-denied successor(s)) is still in the deplorable state it's in presently, at least as far as intrusiveness and privacy concerns go, I'll be switching back to *nix. It sucks as far as gaming goes, but I'll deal with it if that's what it comes to.

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for me win 8.1 + start8/classicshell = behaves like classic windows, has optimizations and better memory management , without the unavoidable windows 10 annoyances. End of extended support January 10, 2023, so it got quite a few years of patches ahead.

If anyone is reading this and is installing fresh, make sure to manually install KB3172614 and KB3173424 to avoid the eternal checking for updates, not sure what are the KB numbers for 7, but with some googling they should be easy to find.

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I haven't even gone that far.
I'm on 7 and will stay there for at least another year or two.

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Give 8.1 a try, it's awesome. Just uninstall the preloaded app and you're good to go. I've been using it for 3 years now and it has never given me any problems.

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Might actually stay with it longer than that. lol

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That sucks! I have a different issue with them.

At E3 2016, Microsoft said they would try and put more of their games on Steam. What I have against Microsoft is they actually don't put their latest games like Forza Horizon 3 and Gears of War 4 on Steam.

Maybe my biggest problem is that their windows store sucks and the way more expensive PC versions (which include the xbox one version) are more expensive. I mean people can buy the xbox one only version at 2/3rds of the price, but PC users are forced to buy the more expensive one (which includes the xbox one version/useless to me as I don't want have an xbox one console). In addition to that, they have a xbox one demo (for Forza Horizon 3) that can be downloaded but there is no PC demo, so people with different specs actually do not know if it will run (it's also directx12 I think and the site says u need a gpu with 4gb but I kinda doubt that).

also globalist Bill Gates is into eugenics and is full of crap, but hey most games run on windows ¯_(ツ)_/¯.

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their windows store sucks

Windows store is still broken for me (apparently a somewhat common issue for people who upgraded to 10 from 7). Not really the best way to get sales out of people, that.

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There are several options out there to fix your Windows Store problems. I had similar issues and "Method 3" in this article fixed it for me.

https://mspoweruser.com/solution-windows-store-not-working-windows-10/

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I removed every trace of that pile of crud from my computer... There are people who want to use it?

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but there is no PC demo

There is a PC demo coming (or it's already out, not sure). But I do agree that it's a bit weird that XBOX got a demo before launch and we had to wait months after release of the game (and the release wasn't exactly smooth on PC either (lag, crashes, VIP and other ultimate edition extras not working))...

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At E3 2016, Microsoft said they would try and put more of their games on Steam.

Well, most people would bet you it meant more "Ori and the Blind Forest on Steam", not "more Gears of Forza on Steam".
I'm quite surprised we got Quantum Break, but MS<->Remedy relationship isn't standard "we own you slave" publisher deal.

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They released a demo for horizon 3 at the beginning of this month....

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thank you, you're right! I made a mistake by saying that!
I just found the one for pc here
very strangely it wasn't in the windows store app on my pc though

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While it meets the requirements for being defined as "malware", you're not purchasing a license to an operating system any longer. With Windows 10, you're purchasing a license to a "service", and because of this it is required that the service be up-to-date. The only way around it is to run an Enterprise copy (Pro isn't for businesses any more).

Technet Post

Take a look at this for further information. I'm currently running the LTSB branch and haven't been pestered for an update in over 4 months now. I understand that LTSB isn't an option for many people. You should try to do what you can. Run DISM on your installation media and remove all the unnecessary junk. Although, you'll want to keep Windows Update there due to drivers and such. I believe there was a toolkit over on MDL that someone developed specifically for this purpose. I personally recommend Windows 10 Pro + DISM to everyone I know. It's worked wonderfully for quite a while, and with a bunch of the crap removed, you can actually just disable the update service with Ultimate Windows Tweaker and be done.

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service

That excuse is getting pretty ridiculous, especially since it's founded on old analog legislations and was carefully manipulated over the past 3 decades to favor businesses. Take Valve, whose ToS allows for them to cancel your account for any reason they wished, without liability for the games purchased [since Steam is a service].

Enterprise

Pro worked to manually set updates just fine, until they intentionally removed it with the anniversary update. As good to know as it is that Enterprise still has that functionality, I gotta wonder just how long it'll be before they decide businesses don't need to be able to defer updates either (and screw, y'know, hospitals and whatnot. Microsoft don't care.). :P
Jests aside, given the pricing, it's pretty ridiculous to insist consumers upgrade to enterprise just to have basic user rights. Grr.

I'm finding your last paragraph hard to follow, would you mind restating it? :X

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I'm going to add you on Steam. It would be easier to explain if we can actually chat properly and you can ask questions when needed. :p

E: I need to sleep soon. :c Let's chat at a later time!

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Mind if I add you too? I would like to know some more about those things you said :P

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You're already on my friends list. It might be a couple days, I've been unwell and busy, and I'll probably chat with Sooth first. :p

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Are you running the basic Win 10?
On my pro version I can decide when it should update/reboot, within a certain timeframe.
Edit: As long as people use or buy Win 10 or PCs with Win 10 they will do what they want.

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you can on a home version - but if you leave it too long, and your pc is on, then it will do it even if you do not want it to :(

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I have pro. You no longer have control over updates after the anniversary update, even with Pro.

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Hmm, I think I may still not have the Anniversary update yet.

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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I get a warning and an option to set "active hours." It will then update outside those hours (yes, I do have the anniversary update).

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Yup. I used to get that "reschedule if this is not good for you" note but now I don't. If I go to the update settings, the "reschedule" part is greyed out. Really sucks since I travel a lot and try to work on trains etc. on my laptop. Extremely pleasant while trying to give a presentation!

ETA: and yes, I have no "set active hours" setting either anymore.

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I still get the notifications and always have enough time to react. You can also set a time frame where windows shouldn't restart.

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Must be something screwy with mine then - I'm running Pro 64bit and have all the updates and it still pops up asking me if it can restart... If I select Later it pops up again in 6 hours...

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This is a complete deal breaker and the reason I will never use any consumer edition of Windows 10.

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pretty much - yes - I have had to deinstall of the the useless microsoft bloatware twice since upgrading - disable cortana three times, and remove all the spying phone home stuff 3 times - including disabling and deleting the annoying reinstall of the spyware stuff in the task manager that simply puts it back there the next day when it runs that task !!! - still, at least it hasn't, yet, deleted my partitions (which I have read has happened on some peoples pcs :( !!!!

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I dislike that they don't provide an easy to remove Cortana.

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are we seriously just putting up with Microsoft's update practices?

People that really care switched from Windows long time ago, and people that intentionally use it regardless while being aware of those practices, also intentionally agree to them, because for some reasons the entire OS is more important than lack of privacy to them, which is just different priorities I guess.

Debian FTW

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yep - I have mine locked down with my own firewall, and always see the phone home from MS being blocked :) - no doubt some gets through, but it came with the laptop so I try to just do my best to rip out the spyare and bloatware; still not updated my gaming rig from 7 cause of all this crapware on every version of win10 - not just the home version - if I wanted an xbox app I would install it myself MS FFS

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The entire lack of privacy narrative is so tiresome. Every single reputable software gathers the data about your usage because that is the only way to realistically improve said software. People don't send bug reports, don't report problems and the like. Data gathering has become a realistic option in the current times and it is being used for how it gives the software maker actual information, not the scraps that users sometimes decide to provide.

I struggle to imagine how do you manage to get anything done in the internet if your priority is privacy. Countless programs, websites, search engines and many-many more gather data about you all the time.

Not to mention that storing the data is anonymised, there are strict regulations regarding these things. They do not know who you are, in the database you are just another entry that they access without the knowledge of your person. The system is built to know what to append and where, but the humans have no way of reaching that far.

You can disable a lot of the stuff in system settings if they are not up to your liking.

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The basic, undisable-able data reporting is as you describe. But the extended reports are a bit more extreme, and have a habit of being turned back on by updates, even if you've disabled them. Sometimes they even require you to have them activated, just to access basic computer settings (that have nothing to do with data reporting), so you'll have to toggle them on and off like steam groups in a gleam.io giveaway.

Data reporting is one thing, but the way Microsoft handles theirs specifically is rather troublesome.

So do keep a distinction in mind between the 'Oh noes, privacy violations!' camp and the 'y u so bad at privacy, Microsoft' camp. :P A very similar element is how you can't disable Cortana (her process, that is), and she sometimes eats up a lot of resources for inexplicable reasons.

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Every single reputable software gathers the data about your usage because that is the only way to realistically improve said software.

Every single reputable software clearly states their policy on gathering information, and makes it possible to turn it off. Everything else is not reputable. There is also gigantic difference between personal data that could be used to identify the person, and between crucial data required for program improvement, which never needs to be as detailed and complete as e.g. Microsoft claims it. I'm developer myself, I know that part pretty good.

I struggle to imagine how do you manage to get anything done in the internet if your priority is privacy. Countless programs, websites, search engines and many-many more gather data about you all the time.

I don't have any problems with that. I use Linux as main OS, I use CyanogenMod on my smartphone, Chromium browser on both, I never share my personal details with typical websites, apart from those which I have bussiness with, e.g. OVH which I rent dedicated server from. I use facebook only for messaging my friends, and I don't even open that unproductive website, but have Pidgin with facebook API module for messaging only (and when data is confidential, I use pidgin off-the-record-messaging, which facebook can't decrypt even though it's sent via their messaging system).

Please feel free to inform me how my private details are in danger, because in comparison with the data that Microsoft gathers through Windows, everything I stated above is not even 1% of everything that Windows collects alone.

Yes, people that don't care about their privacy won't start to care only because somebody made a thread on SG, but claiming that it's impossible to do so, perfectly safe for everybody to collect everything, or acceptable because "everything does that", is just plain bullshit that shows off your ignorance in this regard. It doesn't take much to control what reputable service or software collects about you, Google makes it super easy via their privacy section, allows you to turn on and off almost every single function that could improve them, or even yourself, while Windows silently behinds your back is not only collecting but selling that information, without any clear notice or an option to control it - by using it, you also accept it. As I said, I'm perfectly fine with users that intentionally agree to that - it's their privacy after all, not mine, why should I care. I do care about my own privacy however, and it's perfectly clear to me which software is reputable and which is not - if you read carefully what I stated above, you'll notice that everything I mentioned is open-source, from Linux, through CyanogenMod, ending on Chromium.

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Google makes it super easy via their privacy section, allows you to turn on and off almost every single function that could improve them, or even yourself, while Windows silently behinds your back is not only collecting but selling that information, without any clear notice or an option to control it - by using it, you also accept it.

I would be actually interested to see something proving that MS sells the data and that Google does not.

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I'm 100% with you on the LInux front. But for gamers there are still a lot of titles that only ship on Windows. Let's hope that becomes less and less true over time.

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I've never had it auto update. I told it to only prompt me and it's never done it without me saying it can or during a restart or reboot. Maybe it's a setting or something you missed? I don't know...

Also we don't have many alternatives. Macs are expensive and OSX is shit, I've used it. Linux etc are too unsupported.

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nope - just people leaving it to long not updating, then a task schedular takes over and will do it regardless - if you schedule and allow it to update at, or around, the time, then it never does it without say so - so guess you have been around and lucky :) - there are many writeups on the interweb about this :)

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nope - just people leaving it to long not updating

That might be, as the updates are listed as having a release date of the 18th on their update site, and I believe it releases a few days following that to WinUpdate.

However, I never received any notifications to that effect, and I even manually checked the notification prompt just two days ago, so it's not as if I wasn't doing due diligence.

it never does it without say so

There's never any notification or warning whatsoever for me, it just instantly shuts down.

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yeah - sorry, let me make that clearer - it will do it without say so if you do not schedule it - as has happened to me on multiple occasions, as the crappy schedular takes over on its own (cause it knows best eh) - but if you schedule, then you know when it is going to happen - but that is the Microsoft Roshambo - if you do not schedule, then it takes over and screws you in the A-nyway - hope that makes it clearer for others as well - I hate Win10, if it was not on my laptop when I got it, I would have refused it - indeed I rolled one machine back to 8 cause it autoupdated to 10 wihtout permission -

oh just another kicker that some people might not realise, on some machines, mine included, this recent update turned off system restore - who THE F'ing christ on a bobsled thought that would be a good idea, or did not catch is prior to release !!!

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Doesn't it usually update at some time you are not using a pc? Mine usually does it at about 4 am -.-

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yep - usually when you are sleeping, if you leave it turned on - which I often do

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A 12 hour window to have it enabled within is far, far too broad, so it regularly brushes up against times I'm awake.
I haven't seen any indication that it favors the start of that time frame, either, as it has updated itself bat-shit-randomly within the 12 hour time frame on previous updates (so there's no working around it that way).

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I really don't like that either. I've just set my internet connection as "metered". This way it won't even download the updates before I specifically ask it to search for them (at least I think so). Also, I think there was a guide on how to completely stop these auto-updates (even on the home version), but I don't know if that's still up-to-date.

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It was my understanding that that work-around no longer functioned correctly.
Either way, the workaround I list in my OP has effectively the same end result, I think. :)

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I'm currently using the metered way. It still works but they changed it so that you need to edit the registry.
Checked just now, here's proof (i'm using an ethernet connection) http://i.imgur.com/AwxUT29.png

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Try setting active hours (Settings > Update & Security > Change active hours).

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with the larger updates - such as the AU one, the schedular trys to reset these :) cause they have the power over your OS now :)

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True. The AU also changes various other stuff to defaults. At least the next major update will keep the user's changes.

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It's a bug and it's fixed in the next big patch.

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Doesn't help.

Besides, if it wasn't for the whole 'fuck your cup of tea, and fuck you' element, I'd prefer to have it up at my most active hours, since that's when I'm most likely to have things properly saved- when it's late at night, for example, I'm far more likely to fall asleep while having things still open. So there's absolutely no way to set a time frame that actually effectively works in resolving update issues to any degree.

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They want to take windows 10 along a subscriber route - like the new crappy office software (I will forever use my paid for old office software before I submit to a subscription model for a word processing piece of software) - or so it appears to me at any rate - otherwise, why offer if for free - that is just done to gain numbers before you think of a way to implement a paywall for, say, a pro super dooper version that is without all the bloatware and spyware crap :-P

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a pro super dooper version that is without all the bloatware and spyware crap :-P

A part of me wants to buy that.
A part of me wants to burn down Microsoft HQ while wearing a Linux T-Shirt.

Decisions..

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oh - now I have visions of fire, and a happy smile on my face - ah to dream :)

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You're doing it wrong. Not wearing a Linux T-Shirt. You must wear... a tux. A tux with a Tux on it!

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I know, but tuxedos are expensive. :(
And hey, that's extra money that could be spent on accelerant for the fire..
..just saying..

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If you'll go with the burning, leave a message, I'll get my Linux shirt and join you. Muahahahahaaaaa. Finally.

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You don't have to convince me that the world is filled with idiots, the recent election pretty much solidified the statistics of that fact. :X

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Has been since windows 7, actually looking at such a screen right now, atlhough 15 minutes instead of 5.
So we are putting up with it. Still such stories make me glad i am still sticking to 7.

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But if you atleast put to automatic because you don't want to be bothered with notifications each x day, and it installs something automatically that needs a reboot, you get a postpone notification but if you miss it because you are away a few minutes then yeah your pc also get rebooted and losing open data, yeah i know it's different on windows 10, but same nuisance.
On both there should be a plain option to turn automatically reboot off.

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but if you miss it because you are away a few minutes then yeah your pc also get rebooted and losing open data,

No, you can change those settings. o.O
My Win 7 computer always downloads updates on its own, and absolutely never auto-installs them, no matter how much time passes. Likewise, I don't get any notifications other than the icon changing on the taskbar to indicate that updates are ready to install.
[Though if you're using Home edition, it may be possible you have less control over updates than Pro users..?]

Win 7 really didn't have any update issues (other than the forced upgrade to Win10), though recent updates seem to intentionally be designed to break their computers, which is rather suspicious..
I'm glad windows backup worked on my Win7 computer, a lot of people affected by the computer-breaking updates have apparently not been as lucky. That said, I can't update it anymore at all, since the updates just rebreak it any time I try.

So in a sense, the update settings no longer even matter in the first place.. though it's definitely a plus that they're not autoupdates. :X

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It's only on critical updates it does that (and rarely), i can't say if it's different for pro.
Yes you can choose if you want to install them automatically or not, but if not then you will get notifications (saying hey pssst there is a new update, but if you choose to desire to say okay install it, with such critical updates you still need to reboot your pc anyway, and if you let it and go away for a few minutes and miss the postpone thing, your pc got rebooted.)
Automatically install whatever the hell windows wants without having to ask me, fine. Just don't force a reboot, and that is as far as i know not an option.

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Home editions in previous versions of Windows were a bit more similar to Win 10, as I recall- that is, limiting the powers users have over computer management. So I imagine it's probably due to you running Home that you've less user-friendly options than my Win7 computer does. :/

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I can confirm that recent updates on Win7 have had some serious issues, in my case not breaking the system itself,
but rather breaking the update mechanism. It does not seem to affect systems that have been set up prior to Win10,
but only when you set up a new system with a fresh Win7 install ... it can be fixed, but it requires some skill. I can't
help but have the feeling, that it's intentional to drive folks towards that Win10 upgrade.

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I've put together my rig with a fresh Win7 just recently (as in a few months ago), and it seems to be fine. Do you mind linking an article that goes more in depth on the matter?

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I installed a fresh Win7 about one or two months ago on my colleague's computer and the problem was similar/the same as here.
What that website does not mention, that you also need to take down the network connection while you install that patch, or it'll start searching for updates in an endless loop again. I originally found information on that problem on a German website, because I was
installing the German version for my colleague anyway.

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Thanks mate ^^

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But then you get a notification still if you want to install something, some people don't want to be bothered with it, it's all fine to just automatically install their stuff, just don't automatically turn of someone's pc, 5, 15 minutes it's easy to miss when you grab a cup of coffee, do some groceries or whatever.

Yes windows 10 didn't get any better.

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One more reason, why I'll stick with my Win7 until it's end of life in 2020.
I only use Windows to play a game now and then anyway, all my important stuff,
like office, database and so forth runs on linux anyway.

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yeah - our main pc is stilling rocking win7 and will do so for the near future :) - I get to choose what I want to install that way :)

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We put up with a lot of BS. Can't wait until I have to install adblock on my desktop so I can see my shortcuts.

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I'm not, still on 7 because of games/dev, but I've been using Ubuntu and later Mint for 10 years between XP and 7, I can go to Mint again whenever I want.

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I claimed my free copy of Windows 10, then went straight back to good ol' Win 7.
I intend to stick with it until either Microsoft stops supporting it, or a game comes out that I simply have to play, which requires Win10.

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windows 7 masterrace

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That has never happened to me. I sometimes get asked if I want to install updates when I just want to shut down my PC, and then it does that for ages, but it's never done anything without asking first. So yeah, I'm putting up with it, because it's exactly as it was in the versions before.

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That's... unusual. Are you sure you're using Win10? I mean, I've never heard of Win10 asking to install updates on shutdown, for one- it's always automatic, as far as I know. Likewise, you say the updates take ages, but they've never taken more than a minute for me- like I said, I'll go for a fresh cup of tea, and the computer has already shutdown and restarted in that short duration.

Either way, whatever your circumstances, they definitely differ from my own. :(

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Yup, this PC came pre-installed with Win10, and the update on shutdown thing was in Win8 as well for me on my laptop, got the free upgrade and it's still the same. I think the "ages" part is because it's only once every few months ... I probably changed something in the settings when I got it, as recommended somewhere here (there were threads about this when the deadline for the free upgrade was approaching).

Maybe it's some kind of regional thing? It's pretty usual (afaik) in Germany (and maybe the rest of Europe) to shut down your PC when you go to bed/leave the house for longer periods of time (go to school/work ....), while in the US I've noticed people just leaving it on for weeks, even when they barely use it. Maybe they scaled updates to that? (I think I got some message about an update scheduled for "off" times (3 am) one time, but then I had the option to cancel/delay it, or do it immediately)

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yeah that is the one - but just to warn you, even if you delay it, eventually win10 will auto update without your permission - especially if you leave it too long without updating - as they no longer need your permission - so one time it will just say installing updates and reboot (as happened to many many people with the AU update :( - and many are finding that all those little changes you made to make windows acceptable have all been undone ! - such as all the bloatware, including skype and xbox live thing, is all back again :(

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Hm, I didn't really do anything there, just said "later" and did the update on shutdown thing like always - but it also gave the option to change when "off" times are, so maybe do that if it cuts into your most productive hours?

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oh I have no problem with the times - I can stop them when I want to - but I have a problem with the reinstallation of bloatware, the reinstallation of the spyware (telemetry phoning home, when I expressly told it not to and changed settings to make sure) and the removal of software from the OS that it thinks is no longer compatible; which it did with one of my old printers (just cause the think it is no longer compatible, doesn't mean that it does not still work (as I reinstalled it AGAIN and it works fine); what I want is control back of my pc (which on a windows 10 computer is NEVER going to happen :)

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While I do adhere more to "the US approach", the last time I shut down was just a couple of days ago, so if there'd been an update prompt, it would have come up. :/ Sounds like you've got a better setup, there, then. :X

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errr that sounds like win8 - either that or your schedule was set to update upon next boot or some such - as win10 really is invasive with its updates

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nope, Win10 on this PC, came with it, never had any other version on it. But yeah, I had Win 8 on my laptop and it's still like it was before I upgraded to 10. And it's not set to update on next boot, it just tells gives me the option to install new updates when I want to shut down my computer (it's actually better now than in Win8 - whenever there were new updates and I wanted to turn the PC off, the only option was to do so with the updates, now I can actually choose whether I want to update or just turn it off)

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replied above - but if nothing has changed for you, and you are okay with sending microsoft all your data, then you are one of the lucky ones :)

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What data? One of the first thing I did was change the settings to only required updates (or whatever it's called, it's been a while). And even if they do get extra data, I'm not sure what they'd do with that - won't differ much from what Google knows about me, or amazon, or facebook ... pretty much the only things I do outside of a browser are work-related, and I do need updated Windows for certain required software.

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think we will agree to disagree on that one :) - the data and overall control of the Win10 OS is no longer user side specific and is now all under the control of MS - which would be fine, if they didn't alter things that we have already changed on our OS to make usable - just a quick read of peoples experiences on the internet, and indeed in this thread, will confirm that for you (it is not like I am making this up - no tin foil hat required in my household :) - as for the work thing, all my work is done on my pc, but I no longer keep work items on my Win10 laptop - but on my win7 machine, as one of MS last Win10 updates completely ruined my pc and required a reinstall of the OS - it kept cycling the reboot sequence - as I stated above, if you have not suffered at the hands of MS, then you are one of the lucky ones, and long may it continue for you, but some of us have not been so lucky :)

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Yeah, I realize it's not ideal for everyone, but I have friends with Linux and Macbooks, and they have issues as well, most of which would bother me more than the occasional update. I was just trying to bring a slightly different perspective, since the thread title and OP don't reflect my experience at all. Sorry if it sucks for you guys though (and I do get the re-installing thing - I don't care about it on my PC, never bothered to uninstall, but on my smartphone, where space is more limited and the icons clutter up the menu, it's incredibly annoying)

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yeah I have a crappy tablet that has the same issue - so much so that the only thing I use it for now is the steam authenticator (largely cause I do not own a smart phone :) - but that thing still makes me angry when it runs out of space, and then memory - grrrrr :) - as for linux, still not enough game support, but I keep trying, and macbook, well I can buy two computers for the same price; and long gone are the days when they used their own processor etc... (now it is an intel powered pc with a different operating system - so yeah will have a fair bit of the same OS based issues :(

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Still on W7 so don't have any trouble regarding updates. I set it to only notify and I can download&install whenever I want. In four years we will see how things are.

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With Windows 10's reputation on updates changing them with regedit was one of the first things I did after I upgraded.

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That regedit entry is disabled past the anniversary edition (which for some reason it updated me to despite having that regedit element changed). Put another way, regedit works because you're toggling an internal variable setting, which they completely removed post-anniversary-edition.

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yeah - MS can turn that back on with their forced AU update - they made sure of that one - as I found out :(

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i just disabled windows updates completely ...

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Any fixes for the Win10 Malware?

I'm going back to Windows 7, with a few "power tricks" to avoid troublesome updates (like the "Get Windows 10" nagware, and the telemetry spyware).
And only because three quarters of my Steam library is Windows exclusive, otherwise I'd just stick to Linux Mint (which I will still use for a dual boot).

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As far as I'm aware, the "nagware" doesn't exist any longer. The free update period has ended, and it's only available to those who are disabled or use assistive services. Of course, they don't actually check that, but I believe the nagware is gone.

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And only because three quarters of my Steam library is Windows exclusive

Games are one thing- an enticing thing, but ultimately, not a critical thing- but all the software I need for more productive pursuits is Windows-exclusive. That's the real issue. :/

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well for us embroidery and sewing software :) - oh and the need for our computer to talk to the sewing machine of course - pretty sure, well last time I looked at any rate, linux doesn't do that yet :-} (though to be fair, we are kinda a niche market in that respect)

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sorry - to clarify - our company is me and my significant other - so in no way could we afford that - but yeah anything is possible :) - but I am still waiting for shit to turn to gold on the premis that anything is possible - :-P{P

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yeah - don't worry, I got it :) - just yanking for the sake of it - the annoying thing is that embroidery and sewing programs is all down to polygon point data, so it is actually nothing but numbers - but the people who make it have been very good at protecting what they have for nearly 20 years - going so far as to go down the autocad style dongle route - so even piracy is not an option (and for some I could be tempted, though probably only to practice with as they output files with too much details on about what software made it to use/sell legally - so couldn't even if we wanted to :( sigh -

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It is expensive. Very expensive :P
In fact, the first thing to do is to reverse engineer the driver / software (Normally, most niche hardware only came with Windows Driver)

There is a lot of software out there that only works with Windows (sometimes a virtual machine or wine helps, most of time , no)

Sadly.

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Linux kernel supports wider variety of hardware than Windows itself, and is able to support crapload of architectures. Everything changed in this regard since 2003, almost everything related to drivers run out of the box, unless maintainer of your Linux OS clearly states that if you want to get those extra functions, you must accept the fact that they're proprietary and non-free, which is e.g. case in Debian, for which I'm grateful.

There is a lot of software out there that only works with Windows

Of course, and there is also a lot of software out there that only work with Linux. That doesn't matter, what matters is if you can do your particular thing you need to do with the tools that are available for you, and that is the case with almost everything, including video editing. It just takes some willings to make a switch and try it out, but apart from games, that obviously can't be easily ported, it's very rare to see something possible to do on Windows, impossible to do on Linux. That was the case back in 2003.

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I was just looking at sewing machines to use with a PC.... how weird is that ? (Any advice?)

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depends what you want to do?

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Break it :P . But I just want to be able to connect and send some commands, just a hobby . So, a cheap one will work.

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ah - now there is the clincher - as cheap is a subjective thing :) - for instance, in embroidery terms then a simple HUSQVARNA Jade, or even better in features terms a designer topaz - but these are priced around £1500 to £1800 - so you get the picture :)

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Yeah, seems my hobbies are not that cheap :P . I think is not THAT expensive (the shipping will be :( )

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yeah - I feel your pain on that one - our first one was only £200, then we got a £695 one for the auto stitch tensioner and computerised motors - and boy was that an eye opener, it makes all the difference - seriously it was day and night difference - and we were going to go for the topaz; but we decided to save for longer (three years longer sadly) and went with the one just below the royale - but that was based on the desire to expand our little online shop into embroidery alongside sewing :) - so one day it might be worth the cost - and we got great feedback on the embroidered bags we showed at our last craft show (so perhaps it was worth it )

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As far as I'm aware, none of my art software or organizational software function in Linux (hell, most don't function in OSX- well, in fairness, it's arguable that anything functions in Macintosh OSes, but Macs are at least fairly commonly catered to by design software). Add in games, and other than internet, that amounts to every single thing I actually use computers for. So it's sort of a.. it'd be like tearing down the windmill you need for your livelihood and sustenance, because a windmill blade keeps coming off and flying through your house. Clearly, it's a pretty screwed up situation you're in, but the alternative is a complete loss of meaningful functionality altogether.

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So there are actually a ton of Linux games

Heavily leaned toward certain indie games, however. Last I checked I only had a small handful that were compatible, but SteamDB says I've got 461 now, so that's certainly an improvement. Nevertheless, my point wasn't addressing absolute limits, but scope of convenience, and in that linux clearly still falters.

I hated GIMP, and non-free art software is generally rather expensive. :X

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I can understand why a lot of people don't like GIMP, although I really love it and use it to do a lot of paid art commissions.

In broader terms I also use Linux as much as possible - and I'm the first to admit there are drawbacks but I feel people should try, even if they just dual-boot, because otherwise what alternative is there to chowing down on whatever shit Microsoft puts out? I don't think it is realistic for most people to rely exclusively on Linux right now - but the more people using it the more support there will be.

Currently I use a system with a swappable hard drive tray. I use Linux for as much as possible and I'm doing increasingly well with driver/software availability and support. I do still use Windows 7 for a lot of gaming. I also use Windows XP as I do some sound production work using legacy hardware that doesn't have newer drivers - although I do now have most things up and running in Linux also, despite sequencer options being quite limited.

I also have some Macs that I was allowed to keep from a job I was doing a while back - and although I wouldn't recommend them as value-for-money they are some nice computers and I get along surprisingly well with the OS.

I haven't risked Windows 10 yet.

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