This, don't know why people think IndieRoyale is for charity. Even so, the point still remains that the point of bundles isn't to bring you the best four indie games out there for .01$, but to bring to your attention good solid indie games of different varieties/genres at an affordable, yet profitable, price. (Considering that most people wouldn't buy these games otherwise). Still irks me that people bitch about bundles whether it's for charity or not when it's still a great deal. They feel like bundles are an entitled service to bring them the best games that aren't AAA or something, and then bitch when they don't like the games. : /
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Gotta love the top 2 contributors in HumbleBundle.com
1.@HumbleBrony Bundle $2,222.22
2.@notch $2,222.21
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Brony went for all-2's. Notch subtracted a cent, presumably because he wanted to avoid being top of the list.
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The reason for the indie bundles is to make money for the developers. It raises awareness of games which normally get a lot less attention. Part of it goes to charity, but if you want to give to charity you can just give directly, and it would be more efficient.
The problem IMO is that these bundles reduce the value of the games. It doesn't matter now if an indie game costs $5 or $20, a lot of people would consider its value to be $1 or less, because there's a good chance it will at some point appear in a bundle.
It was okay when it was just the Humble Bundle, but with everyone trying to compete in giving away a bunch of different titles for a low price, there's just so many games one can buy without playing them. I have reduced over time how much I pay for the bundles, and sometimes don't buy them, because it's still money I pay for games I normally don't play. If there's a game which looks appealing (like Fortix 2 in Indie Gala 2, one of the few games from the bundles I bought that I played) then it's worth paying something, but really I feel a bundle overdose.
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I have bought IndieRoyale even I dont like that games but I know that it goes on charity.
No, it does not. Not a single cent. Sorry to tell you this.
You ask what is the purpose of bundles? There are several:
Raise people's awareness about something (developers, games, music, artists etc.)
Gather some money for charity (also good for publicity and coincides well with what is written above).
Make money. Yes. Just that simple - so that developers and intermediaries could make money and make profit. Whether you like it or not not even HB is a charity organization.
All in all, if you do not like the product it would probably make more sense to just donate all that money to charity (you do not like the games - so why even bother getting them?). This way charity would get more money and you would not be burdened by something you do not need. ;) This way also less money would be spent out of your payment onto various transactions between intermediaries and thus less money will go "astray" to someone who is not charity and has nothing to do with the whole affair - the payment processing systems.
This is also why people complain about bundles. Yes they raise money for charity, yes it is awesome. Yes they support indipendent developers, yes that is also awesome. But they are also making profits selling products. So dicussing those products can in no way be "wrong" or "unjust".
It is also true that charity donations MAY incentivise you to buy the bundle even, if you do not like it's contents, but than your primary concern should be how much money out of your payment would go to charity and to which charity it will go.
Once again, if you do NOT like the product, please, consider donating the whole sum directly to charity instead.
By the way, as you might know the one and only all-to-charity event on the bundle front so far was the "Humble Mojam". ;)
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well kids (who dont have a work) are giving away there lunch money for charity that just dont sound good they all just want to have fun + if money gos to charity its bonus but who will give there last mony to other pps?
probably no1 will understand what i want to say and my typing isnt so good cuz im hight right now sorry mybe ill edit post later :D
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With so many "charity bundles" people feel overwhelmed about donating and tend do donate less. If these were less common then people would donate more. I donate to them all when I can, usually a minimum of $5. It's not much, but it's usually all I can afford with so many bundles occurring back to back.
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So basically I can't complain because it's for charity? In my opinion the games from mojam were trash. Yes, I know they had little time. Yes, I know all profit went to charity. Yes, I still contributed. But does that mean I can't express my opinion or complain about it?
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You can complain all you want, even though you don't really have a reason to do so. You're often getting $60+ worth of games in these bundles for whatever you pay. You get to help charity, if you don't feel like getting $60+ worth of games isn't worth the hassle of donating, you can always donate to charity directly, or just not buy the bundles...
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So I can't express my opinion about games just because it is for a good cause? And please, go ahead and check the games that came in the mojam bundle and tell me that they are worth 60$.
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You do know that most games have weeks and months of development. They managed to do a lot within the span of a few days, and there are other amateur devs who use the open source code provided to learn how to code, and also expand on the mojam games. While that bundle wouldn't be valued at $60, it does have value as those people spent their time and money to develop them without expecting a penny in return. If you don't feel a bundle isn't worth donating to for literally free games, then don't buy the bundle, you can always donate to a charity directly. Don't make the incentive of getting something for donating be the only reason you donate.
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I do donate directly to charity and if you spent some times in the forums or in the group chat you'd have seen that most times I "buy" more than one bundle and give the games away, so I don't just contribute to get games, but considering that the developers were the ones who decided the time and the way they would do the bundle, I expected them to have some ideas at least. Of course they didn't expect any money in return, it was just a publicity stunt.
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Well the ones in mojam were hardly worth 60$ :(
due to the fact they didn't have much time and weren't complete, etc etc. but it was all for charity for mojam bundle/event so no money to the devs.
I think one is allowed to complain about that, but what can you expect from games created in the amount of time? I think a lot of people had their hopes up way too high and were expecting so much more. They're not terrible games considering, but far far far from worth 60$.
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Mojam why you no make triple a title in one weekend? You suck no moneys for your charity!!!
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I know right? How dare I not like the games they made!? The games are shit, unplayable unless you really have nothing else to do, if you don't like my opinion deal with it. And please don't call it "their charity", they did it mainly for publicity.
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I'm going to build a house in a week, worth $600,000! You can buy it for only $50,000 and all the money goes to charity. Now because I built it in a week you can't expect too much. You could live in it, but it won't have a proper roof, just a tarpaulin; the walls are only really for show, they won't support much of anything; no running water or electricity either but I'll give you the plans so if you're a builder you can finish it yourself. Oh, you don't want my crappy house? But all the money goes to charity! And it is worth $600,000.
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He's acknowledging that it was done in a short amount of time, and that no-one expects triple-A quality but you can't then turn round and say it's worth $60. There are many games in the Apple/Android app stores that took far longer to develop and which are priced between $0.49-$0.99. The reason AAA titles are priced at $60-$80 is that they take months/years to develop and there are 1000s of people who contribute their time and effort to them.
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These games are worth about $1 each. That's their average selling price on the bundles, so that's what they're worth. It's also pretty much in line with other game prices. Oblivion is worth $5, that's the price I got it for. Comparatively speaking in terms of game scope it's worth all these indie games together, so the price is in line. Don't like Oblivion? Borderlands cost me $4. To me, that's what these games are worth, and that's the price I buy them for. They're worth $60+ to very few people. If that wasn't the case, these sales wouldn't happen.
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They are worth 60$ to very few people? May I see a source on that? I'm pretty sure that Oblivion had a shit ton of day 1 purchases. Prices wouldn't be so high if it wasn't profitable for publishers and developers.
But that's not even the point. If they sold this games as they are today on steam or desura I doubt anybody would pay 1$ for each.
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A friend of mine buys the bundles purely for supporting devs. I buy the bundles to support the devs. The whole "do it/it is for charity" really doesn't work for most people. I honestly don't care for the charity part much. I think they could choose better charities. I'll still donate to the charity, I just believe there are some better ones out there. The mojam had the charity for water, that is nice. Everyone deserves clean water. I mean it may sound stupid to others, but I'd much rather donate to a charity that is helping with food or water or medical shit, rather than getting games to kids who ... have medical conditions or... whatever the eff I think? stands for. The money they make from the bundles could do a lot for someone, if the charities are actually good (ie not corrupt).
Anyway, people are allowed to complain. People do it for stupid reasons, and if they don't like the games that's their prerogative. More views allow people who are on the fence make decisions. Of course this helps when people who are complaining have reasons for not liking and don't just go around saying "TERRIBLE TERRIBLE" without backing it up some... I know a lot of people complain because of shit like "it's not steam." Stupid but it makes sense, steam is convenient, and if they're going to forget about the games they might as well as have donated directly to the charities if that is the sole reason to support (aside from receiving the games). Like I said, I buy the bundles mainly to support the devs. If the games are not on steam, that is okay for me. If it is a good game, I'll find ways to keep up with it. So lack of steam isn't a big deal for me. I like supporting devs in beta/alpha; I love seeing a game evolve. It can be quite the experience. :)
As others have pointed out, Indie Royale is not for charity (though there is a "lightning bundle" that is coming up that I assume is for charity based on it's name).
Overall, it is the persons choice to complain. While it can be annoying, or stupid, not everyone has the same opinion. And well... some of the reasonings behind some of the complaints are logical. I don't like the number of bundles out there. And if I don't care for the bundle itself or the games, I won't support but I won't complain.
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It depends on the charity for me, but my reasons for buying the bundles are primarily to support the devs and to get the games from a convenient source that I can re-download from in case I ever need to. Charity is a side benefit.
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I just factor in whether they are cross-platform and whether they have DRM into how much I'm willing to pay for the bundle in question.
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I agree with you and I allocate my money to the devs and the tip because I also don't like the charities so much.
In any case, purchasers are customers so surely they have a right to complain. How can you expect people to not complain when it is the incentives that make people give? If the incentives aren't good enough, people just won't invest.
If it was just about the charities, the option to support devs would not be there and the marketing would be different.
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It feels like you all are forcing us to donate.
If I love those games, I will buy them --> donation is made. If I don't love those games, I won't buy them --> donation is made not.
If you wanna sell games for charity purpose, let them be good. Otherwise, just put the money you wanted to spend for developing, directly into charity. It'll be faster and wiser. And also cleaner, so much indie-schmindie here and there.
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It's sort of like how people complain that they never win anything on Steamgifts.
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If you really want to be good, I'm sure that you can always volunteer or something. Besides, there is always someone begging for money. So... Taking a crap on other people because they don't buy useless and quite pointless bundles is... stupid.
And not to mention that, ~six months ago (or so) these bundles were RARE and they were VALUABLE. Now you have 10000 sites selling these "bundles" which suck.
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Yes... and if this trend keeps on going, pretty soon we'll have 1-Game Bundles coming on sale at 3x the price, in the name of Charity... and then again, the actual charity organization only gets 10-30% of the actual donation, the rest is going to intermediary companies. And that's the "business strategy".
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When Humble Bundle got a few millions investment last year I thought this would result in an indie store with a charity component. A store where you can choose what part of the price would go to the devs, charity and the store is something I would find attractive. However nothing has yet come out of it. I still can't imagine that the millions went to just running the normal bundles, but it's been almost a year since then and nothing else has appeared.
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Fair enough.
Remember, though, that Indie Royale is closely tied to Desura. You might as well get a Desura account, since Desura is generally better with DRM issues than Steam. I got one already myself.
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I.. one of the reasons why I dont like origin is because its a direct competitor to steam. Not to say Im apart of the steam indoctrination, but I dont like having to manage 40 different game accounts to play my games. DRM free, or on my form of DRM is what I look for. I think consumers would greatly benefit if games were released on as many outlets as possible. If you like desura, then buy from them then. Me? I have a solid 150+ games on steam some of which already require further log ins which pisses me off enough.
In essence I think that is why there is such a backlash when a game isnt on steam, I mean this is STEAM gifts after all.
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I haven't ever used Origin; barely heard of it until today.
I prefer DRM-free in any case, because then I don't have to worry about activating a wrapper (which takes time AND memory).
I haven't had multiple login problems with games yet though, except for F2P MMORPGs on Steam, but I kinda expected them and I don't play them much anyway. And I think Spiral Knights auto-logins if you are using Steam anyway. However, most of the other games I have on Steam are single-player, or are little indie games.
...wait, I remember Crayon Physics Deluxe having a separate login. But it's optional and only for accessing the player community; you can play the original game without even making an account.
I think Stealth Bastard requires an account in the player community for login, but it's not a Steam game so that's only one layer of login.
As for Desura, I currently have one game on it, which is Dead Meets Lead. Haven't played it yet but want to check it out. I might activate my HIB stuff on there too. But what you mention is why I really want to figure out whether I can start Desura games without starting Desura.
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The irony being that IndieRoyale doesn't give to charity ;)
Edit: was beat to it multiple times D:
Ah well, to clarify: IndieRoyale is managed by the people behind Desura, and it's used as a means of promoting Desura.
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When I buy a bundle I dont give any to charity. What now?
Also, simple economics. Price = what consumers are willing to pay. NOT what is dictated should be paid. Just because A game is released at 60 doesnt mean its actually worth it. Can you honestly say that all the indie games in every bundle are 60 dollar titles? Alpha bundle, Mojam, even humble bundles. And yet it movies, bit.trip runner, cogs, cave story+, night sky? If you feel these were all worth 60 then by all means pay a few hundred dollars for one of the bundles.
For the record, I dont even think AAA titles likes ME3, MW3, BF3, Skyrim are worth the 60 at release. Well, 70-80 for ME3 rolls eyes fking EA...
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I buy every Humble Bundle, every Royale bundle, every Gala bundle.
But the reason indie bundles are made is to sell games. Quite honestly, EVEN IF THEY ARE SINCERE ABOUT IT, the charity thing is marketing. It's an attention-getter.
I buy them for the games. If I wanted to donate to charity, I would just...you know...donate to charity. It's not like these charities don't take direct donations. I could donate to whatever charity I want to.
I buy them for the games, because often, I owuld never have given some of these games a second look if they weren't cheap or bundled with games I DID want.
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Charity
Yeah that's an excuse for a bundle to be shit so I'll purchase it. DONT WORRY GUYS IT'S FOR CHARITY! WHO CARES ABOUT QUALITY!! Is it wrong for me to not give a shit about the charity? I've always donated 100% straight to the developers from bundles where I can choose where the money goes. Is it wrong? No. If I want to donate I'll go donate the money directly myself. Also IndieRoyale isn't about charity as said many times before me posting.
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I get annoyed when I can't choose how the charity money is split up; I'd much rather donate to EFF than to Child's Play. No offense to fans of Child's Play, but I just think that EFF's goals are much more important right now.
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Eh, if I can choose my own pricemark, I won't give a damn about the quality of the games. Then again, I decide whether I want to buy it or not from the get-go, and most times decide against it. I appreciate charities, but all they're really doing is marketing, as said before.
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Gotta love when people use the "but it's charity" excuse for games to be shit. Pro tip: If they included better games in the bundles, they would most likely raise a lot more money.
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I don't think it's necessarily related. Humble Bundle is more well known, and it could give crap and get more money. See the Mojam bundle for example, which made almost half a million, compared to Indie Gala or Be Mine which actually contain some decent games and struggle to make 100K.
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Honestly, the charity thing is not even that big of a deal. What it comes down to in my eyes is that there are bundles where you can get about 5 games for as little as a dollar, and some gamers still feel the need to call them shit and ask for better games in the bundle.
Really guys? I mean if you don't like the bundle, just don't buy it. I don't think any reasonable person would say that these bundles are not worth one measly dollar though.
The Mojam thing is just a whole other level of ignorance. You knew from the start that they were only going to work on the games for 60 hours, and then you complain that it doesn't measure up to other games which spent months if not years in development? Seriously?
I used to think critics/journalists were completely off base when they called gamers entitled brats, but now I think I'm starting to come around on that idea. Sad day.
(the opinions above are not targeted towards most people who belong to s.gifts or even most people in this thread, just people I have seen complaining in general throughout the internet and my life.)
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Honestly, the charity thing is not even that big of a deal. What it comes down to in my eyes is that there are bundles where you can get about 5 games for as little as a dollar, and some gamers still feel the need to call them shit and ask for better games in the bundle.
Indie Royale Alpha collection #1. 3 games. 5 USD min price. Just sayin'.
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No, it does not.
But this thread was started with someone saying he/she bought Indie Royale Alpha Bundle even though he/she did not want the games and just wanted to support charity.
Also this is a good place to talk about Indie Royale 2, which introduced price tiers and how HB now is a 1 USD minimum for a Steam-key now (plus beat-the-average games now come right from the start of HB AND they are new to HB as in "never sold before"). In other words, price growth for ALL bundles is quite obvious.
The rest comes down to opinions. People always find reasons to be unhappy, other people might find reasons to be happy. So I definitely would not call "all" people who complain "entitled brats".
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I didn't call anyone entitled brats...
Is it really so hard to understand words on the internet. Starting to come around to an idea is not the same thing as embracing it whole heartedly. Also you can't apply the OP's arguments to me and then argue against them, it's called the strawman fallacy. I never said anything about Indie Royale or defended it in any way.
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Not you the journalists "who's idea you are coming around on".
"I used to think critics/journalists were completely off base when they called gamers entitled brats, but now I think I'm starting to come around on that idea. Sad day."
This means "I used to thik they were wrong calling gamers entitled brats, but now I think I am starting to change my mind on that".
I am not applying OPs arguments to you, do not worry. I just told you why I used IR Alpha Bundle as an example to illustrate that "not all bundles cost 1 USD" there are different ones and they cost different amounts of money. (Yes there are still those that cost 1 USD, no one denies that). And my reference to OP was to explain why I made my post about IR Alpha costing 5 USD - it came to my mind first just because I saw the OP's post above.
Anyway, it is your opinion and you can do whatever you want with it. I personally found the opinion of the critics/journalists you quoted quite wrong. And my arguments were directed against that opinion. If your opinion does not coincide with theirs than there is no point in continuing this. All the best with your whatever you are doing.
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Surely you don't think no gamers are entitled brats? Every group of people has it's good and bad, that's just a fact of life.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, so overall I see gamers as not overly entitled in comparison to other groups. But when I see people acting terrible over a bundle of games where they get to choose their own price, it's hard not to think of that display as entitled.
It's totally fine if you think gamers swearing and insulting people for having the audacity to offer them five games for a dollar is not entitled, I mean everyone has to draw that line somewhere I guess.
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"HB now is a 1 USD minimum for a Steam-key"
Good. They were getting fucking ripped off by the coal farmers. They were losing a lot of money with each $0.01 sale.
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I never said everything that happens is bad. All I am saying is that Bundles are getting more expensive. All bundles, including HB. 1 USD Steam-key change serves as one of the illustrations of the common trend. And the common trend (price increase) is what makes people complain more, in my opinion. That is all I wanted to say with my posts.
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So if I make a stupid game with 16bit graphics, where... let's say: the PC generates a number between 1 and 9999 and you have 1 chance to guess it and if you fail you die, you would be ok to pay me 1$ for it ?
Regardless the fact that such a game is completely useless, with 0 creativity and 0 replay value ? Really ?
Get some basic standards kid, or you'll find yourself spending all your money on low quality stuff and supporting scammers and thugs.
Because for me an indie developer who releases shit games is just a scammer. Worse than the nigerian prince.
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Oh ok, because it's for charity everyone should keep their opinions to themselves? What bullshit. I'm not an "entitled brat" and (I think) I've bought every single Humble Bundle and a few others but recently I keep seeing bundles with one or two good/great indie games (usually ones I already own) with 2, 3 or 4 other games that are either meh, or that are downright awful. I have enough awesome games sitting on my shelf or in my Steam library that I don't have time to play with out adding some awful flash game to the pile. I'd rather add another $5 when the next Humble Bundle comes round, or donate the money directly to Child's Play.
You think it's just "entitled brats"? It's exactly the same thing in real life with my wife and her friends, or my mother and her friends, they all know the "good" charity shops where they can go and find nice second-hand clothes/books etc, and they also talk about the "bad" charity shops where all they have are musty old dead-men's pyjamas, 50 dog-earred copies of the "Da Vinci Code" and 4 chipped dirty dinner plates.
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I guess the real question is, do you go into the 'bad' charity shops and complain about the quality of their products and demand they get better ones? Even when it's something you could have paid 20c for?
If you paid 20c for something and it's not quite that good or what you expected do you then go back to that store and demand a superior product? Or do you just kind of accept that it was just some cheap little thing and that if you had actually wanted a good quality product you would have paid like 300 times the cost for it?
I also didn't say anything about it being for charity, I wasn't arguing that point at all. I also didn't call anyone an entitled brat, at most I implied it (but when someone says they're starting to come around to an idea it doesn't generally mean they've embraced it).
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Sorry, I missed the bit where people were complaining directly to Mojam/IndieRoyale/whoever about the bundles. I'd thought they were just criticising them in public forums?
If I think a bundle is worth getting, I pay at least the average, often more. If I think the games aren't worth that much, I simply don't bother; I'm not one of those douche-bags who give $0.20 and justify it by saying "I didn't really want them, so paying 20 cents is ok".
Your avatar is fitting. Lots of weaselly lawyer arguments flying around here. If someone says "Pay what you want for games worth $60", I expect the games to be worth $60. Whether I pay 20c, $20 or $200. What they actually mean is that at one point they've tried to charge $60 for them...
The charity-shop analogy, like all analogies, breaks down at this point because I've never seen one that advertises their wares based on how much they used to be "worth" (according to some arbitrary price point picked by the manufacturer). But to answer your question, if I realised the games I'd bought were sub-par, I wouldn't go back and try to return them (did people really do that?), and that's probably the same with the charity shop. I'd think "Mea culpa, caveat emptor" and go on with my life. What I would do is tell all my friends that the games/goods I'd bought were a rip-off/faulty.
"I also didn't call anyone an entitled brat, at most I implied it (but when someone says they're starting to come around to an idea it doesn't generally mean they've embraced it)."
More weasel words. Your original intention in using that phrase can only have been to slur people who criticise the bundles. The act of saying "I think I'm coming round to the idea that XXXX" lends validity to the statement: "XXXX" just as much as coming right out and saying "I believe that XXXX" does. We don't care what part of the belief-spectrum you're on. That you said it at all means that you believe it more than you disbelieve it.
"I also didn't say anything about it being for charity"
Fair enough. So if I get this straight, you're saying that anyone who offers a discount on a product they're selling should never be criticised?
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Initially I wrote a long reply to this, addressing all your points and actually trying to discuss with you. But I think it's pretty clear with the amount of strawman fallacy on display in your post that there really is no point in discussing this with you further. If you want to say terrible things about the bundles in spaces where the creators and distributors of those bundles can see it, then by all means make them feel bad about something they spent months of their lives working on and offered to you for whatever price you feel you want to pay. I would never dream of attempting to stop you, but I still think it's a really shitty entitled thing to do.
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I think you lose this argument, Taerdin.
And as I just posted (before seeing this), it's feedback. Would you suggest that people don't complain about Ubisoft DRM in public because Ubisoft spent tons of money on it? Because Ubisoft will feel bad?
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It's hardly an argument when your opponent makes up your points and then refutes them...
No I wouldn't suggest that. There's a huge difference between those two cases and if you fail to see it then I don't know what to say to you.
Man discussing things on forums has become increasingly difficult and pointless.
A more apt analogy would be if Ubisoft offered 5 of their games that don't sell well anymore in a bundle, that is DRM-free, and you can pay as little as one dollar for it. Also they all activate on steam, have multiplatform versions, a portion of the proceeds go to charity, etcetc like the humblebundle. Then people went on the forums and said that, "this is a fucking scam! You can't just sell us these fucking piece of shit games! You better put the new assassin's creed in this bundle that only costs a dollar or you dont deserve my money you fucking moron!"
If you think that that is perfectly reasonable behaviour then we have a difference of opinion. If you agree with me that that is pretty shitty and entitled then maybe you see my point now?
Feel free to strawman me again and somehow turn my argument into something else again. I'm not sure how much longer I can be bothered to respond though.
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I see differences, but I think they aren't differences which make your argument compelling. You hinge most of your arguments on "this costs virtually nothing", and this just isn't a very convincing argument to me. People are allowed to complain about things that cost very little and even things which are free. People who are in the public eye need to learn to take such feedback without being insulted and learn what they can from it. Some comments are just worth ignoring, some comments are valuable feedback but the way they are told needs to be ignored.
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I never once said people aren't allowed to complain.
People definitely can complain.
There's a difference between giving constructive criticism and being an entitled brat.
If you don't know the difference or draw the line somewhere else other than me then so be it.
Do we even have more to discuss here?
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Probably no need to discuss this further. I draw the line somewhere else.
And I just want to say that you keep using ad hominem arguments, calling names and insulting those who argue with you. To me this always suggests that the person arguing this way doesn't have a good logical argument and needs to resort to name calling.
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Where exactly did I use ad hominem? I'm not saying I don't believe you I just don't see it personally. I even reread most of what I wrote.
I'm sorry if you feel insulted, that certainly wasn't my intention. I definitely was getting frustrated that people kept strawmanning me though.
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I have no problems with reasonable feedback at all. But there's a difference between being reasonable and some of the comments I've seen.
They aren't trying to offer games that they think people won't want. They get the games they can get, and then they offer it for whatever price you want to pay. If you don't want those games then you can easily wait for another bundle, there's so many of them now you're bound to see one you like eventually. To go out of your way to call them shitty and demand they get better seems at best pointless, and at worst like an insult to someone's hard work.
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Some comments do make me cringe (like virarneeda's one just below), but I feel that the feedback is mostly a result of the market. The success of The Humble Bundle led to many copycats with lower profile games. Most of the feedback people provide amounts to "this is a game I don't want", and that's okay feedback. Sure it'd be nicer if it was said more delicately, but as long as it's direct feedback I think that's a lot better for the bundle makers than just guessing what didn't work based on the lack of sales.
This market needs to settle down. The bundle idea isn't a magic solution which will make people pay a lot of money for games they wouldn't have bought otherwise. Sure it works to an extent for now, but the feedback is IMO just a reflection of where it's going.
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Hey. I have seen people complaining about some bundles that they are not good and etc. Its shame guys. These bundles are at 95%+ discount price of the real price and you complain. And you forget the main thing. It goes to charity.
I dont mean that you can't say that you dont like the games and etc but I mean some of hatefull messages to these Indie Bundles and etc.
EDIT: Guys. Some of you missunderstanted my thread. I'm not working for any bundle site. I just loved doing some giveaways of their games. I have also removed links to Indie Bundles to not confuse you. Thank you for understanding.
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