Got influent but I can't decide which of these 2 languages are more useful in general.

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French or Russian

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French (Français)
Russian (Русский)
Don't know

I'd do the former. The latter is so useless for me.

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They are both equally a language.
French is considered sexy.
Russian is considered Russian.

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+1

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French is considered sexy. LoL NOOOOO

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YASSSSS!

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Oooo la la :)

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I picked German, Japanesse and French. And when I was going for Russian humble decided to say "nope, you already bought this bundle too many times".
So no Russian for me I guess.

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Lol, same happend to me, but it added bundle to my list anyway saying i payed 0.01$ for it. Just had to wait a moment and add 0.99$. Now i feel bad about getting free 0.01$ over some stupid error.

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Japanese!
Actually, I don't think that this game is very useful. If you already learning some language and need some more practice - it's okay, but it's won't help by itself, without previous learning.

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Yes I agreed. This game is more focused in learning more vocabulary, not in learning an entire new language.

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Vive la France.

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(y)

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Español !

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I already got Spanish pack. I'm deciding between those 2 only.

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Бери русский, отличный язык :)
you will be as Howard Wolowitz

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french kissing ftw!

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I think French as a language is nice and France as a country is a great holiday destination. So I'd rather learn (or improve) my French. It could also be helpful in quite a few African countries. So if you ever plan to go there I would take the french pack.
But considering all the places where you can use Russian (the giant area indicated in the picture below), it might be objectively the more useful choice.

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Most of Russia is a Siberian desert and a hellish wasteland with minimal human inhabitation. Russia may look big, but it's not very populated.

From the Wikipedia article:

Russia's population density is 8.4 people per square kilometre (22 per square mile), making it one of the most sparsely populated countries in the world. The population is most dense in the European part of the country, with milder climate, centering around Moscow and Saint Petersburg. 74% of the population is urban, making Russia a highly urbanized country.

Russia has only 20 million more citizens than Japan (size comparison), and over 40 million less than Pakistan (size comparison) (which isn't a very large country). [Source]

In comparison, here are the two most populated countries on Earth compared to Russia in land mass, with over a billion citizens each: China (size comparison) and India (size comparison).

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So what is your point concerning OP?
All you write here is is a known fact and nothing new. Don't try to be a smart-ass and actually post something helpful (Edit: sorry, you did post something useful down below, didn't see this before)
All you wrote doesn't concern OP at all. If you put area where French is spoken vs. area where Russian is spoken it'd be still in the favor of Russian (obviously). If you compare the amount of native (and L2) speaker of those two languages there are still about 2 to 3 times as many Russian speaker as French speaker.
Concerning the picture: It clearly shows the many parts in the world where you will benefit from Russian language knowledge. I never said anything about population density. Your argument actually could also be used vs. English language - here also most areas where people speak English (USA,Canada, Australia) have only high population densities at the coastal areas - So does this mean Punjabi or Japanese should be learned instead of English?

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Not really any point directed at the OP (my point to the OP can be found here), but rather to correct you on what I believe may be a misleading assessment. You argue that Russian may be a more useful language because of the number of people who speak it and the size of its native country. I'm trying to point out that the country is sparsely populated and most of the land in Russia is either uninhabited or uninhabitable.

The Russian language is natively spoken by approximately 155 million people (2010 estimate), 255 million if you count both first and second language learners (2012 estimate). The first estimate would make it approximatelly 2.33% of all people on Earth, and it is partially intelligible to both Ukrainian and Belarusian. The French language, meanwhile, only has 74 million native speakers (approx. 1.12% of global population, 2010 estimate). French is common in Canada, Switzerland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Algeria, and the Central African Republic to name only a handful—and France, of course.

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I would argue that Russian is the better language to learn since it's interesting, archaic, and many Russians don't speak English (only about 5.84% of Russia's population, 2010 consensus). Meanwhile, approx. 39% of French people speak English (2012 Eurobarometer report) and ~85.63% in Canada (2011 consensus), just to give some frame of reference. Thus, you're more likely to meet a native French speaker who also understands English than you would a native Russian speaker.

However, I would advise French if one would like to improve their grasp on English and romance languages, since English is heavily influenced by French. Moreover, French is a very interesting dialectical corruption of Latin, which can be enjoyable to explore for anyone familiar with Latin as a language. Moreover, French was once the lingua franca (literally Latin for "French language) of global communications for a long while. France is one of the primary epicenters for European culture and art (esp. Paris), rivaled only by Italy (esp. Rome). French is still closely tied to sophistication and affluence, so it's likely that French would be seen as more impressive than Russian (especially to women, if that's your aim); and a lot of European culture and history is related to the French language. Russian, meanwhile, is a very terse and economic language. Some would argue (though many would of course disagree) that French is a more expressive and lively language, since Russian is so direct.

When it comes to speaking, Russian may prove more useful since fewer Russians know English. French can also improve one's English and grasp on Latin, though. From a literary perspective, there is more philosophical and scientific work published in French than in Russian (though if this was your bent, I'd recommend German, Latin, or Ancient Greek as other contenders); however, some of the most respected philosophical and classic literature is in Russian (Russian literature)—most notably Leo Tolstoy and Fyodor Dostoyevsky. A lot of philosophical works were written in Russian as well, since philosophy became big in Russia in the 19th and 20th Centuries. If you are seeking Marxist literature, Russian is also very useful.
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Getting back to the topic at-hand, more people speak French than do Russian [Source], though Russian is spoken by more people as a native or first language [Source]. I pointed out population density to refute your implied argument that Russian is a more popular language as evidence by the size of the native country. I cited Japan to indicate that even a comparatively small island can have a larger population than the largest country on Earth by land area. Your attempt at applying this argument to English is invalid because it falsely assumes that I'm arguing that population density has a causal relationship to number of native (or total) speakers of a particular language.

I'm just correcting you on some misleading information, that's all.

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Just in case, because the wiki page you are using is wrong/not complete; there's more than 274 million persons who speak French, not 74: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers

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I'm aware of that. However, the total number of native French speakers is only 74 million according to the Nationalencyklopedin 2007 estimate. A 2014 estimate places it at approx. 80 million. The total number of French speakers is approx. 274 million, though. The Wikipedia article is accurate, though I can see how one might misinterpret the data.

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If you want to correct me please show me the point where I was wrong in the first place!

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But considering all the places where you can use Russian (the giant area indicated in the picture below), it might be objectively the more useful choice.

TL;DR – To put it simply, the problem with this statement is that you are using Russia's size and the number of countries in which there are many Russian speakers as evidence that the Russian language is "objectively more useful" than French. You also fail to describe why Russian would be more useful, only that it would be based on those premises. For a more detailed explanation, see below.


This statement implies that:

  1. the size in land area of the native country is related to the utility of learning a particular language;
  2. the quantity of locations, especially with respect to the number of countries, wherein a particular language is common is related to the utility of said language; and,
  3. the previous two points indicate that Russian is "objectively more useful", despite the fact that:
    • A. utility can be both objective and subjective; and,
    • B. objective utility is dependent upon the particular circumstance; thus,
    • • B1. even the objective utility of a particular object (or concept) cannot be absolutely determined; and,
    • C. the utility of a language to a person is both objective and subjective; therefore,
    • • C1. the objective utility of the language may not accurately reflect the value of the language to a particular individual.

(I would structure that better, but unfortunately SteamGifts' formatting only permits first-degree subordination of ordered lists.)

Basically, the issue with your above statement is that it implies premises (1) and (2), which concludes with point (3). The problem is that point (3)—your conclusion that Russian is objectively more useful because of the size of Russian and all the places wherein people speak Russian—is flawed, as I point out in (A), (B), and (C).

In (3A), I point out that utility can be both objective and subjective. The import of this will become apparent later on, but essentially you're omitting half (or more) of the utility of the language. In (3B), I point out that the objective utility of anything depends on the particular circumstance; and this is important to note because, like I stated in (3B1), this means that your general statement that Russian is objectively more useful doesn't mean much unless we know the circumstance. For example, what is the objective utility of a hammer when you're trying to acquire water? There is no initial relationship, and unless we have more information or a particular circumstance for why it might be useful to have a hammer to acquire water (such as breaking open a container of it). Likewise with this: the Russian language can be objectively more useful only in particular circumstances, such as if one is going to live or remain in Russia for an extended period of time. Overall, however, the Russian language has indefinite utility. The circumstance is what gives anything utility or value, and without it the object (or subject) possesses no utility. Utility is not an intrinsic quality, nor does it possess any intrinsic value; it only manifests when there is a causal relationship.

In (3C), I point out that the utility of any language is both objective—as in it satisfies certain demands and resolves certain problems regardless of the agent—and subjective—as in it satisfies particular demands or desires and resolves particular problems unique or specific to the agent. By only representing the objective utility and value of a language, you are not providing the full picture—this is the point of (3C1). The subjective utility and value, or the utility and value that is important to the particular person (in this case, the OP), is also important and in some circumstances may even outweigh the objective utility of the object or concept, depending on how meaningful or valuable it is to the subject.

I hope that makes sense.

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In countries that was in Soviet sphere of influence the russian language was required to learn, so all people older then 32-34 can speek at lest less. This includes not only all ex Soviet republics in Europe and Asia, but almost all of East Europe, some parts of North Africa (Egypt in example) and big part of Asia. But it's several times harder to learn becouse of the grammatical cases...

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That's true, and thus Russian as a language can be beneficial to anyone who lived in the former Soviet Union (or wishes to speak to one who did or does); however, like I argued above, the decision on which language to learn is a bit more complex than that.

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This conversation between Klinge and Nokkenbuer + others is very interesting.

I actually read the whole thiing suprisingly.

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I admit that these are only my opinions and although they are supported by evidence, I understand that I may be wrong in certain areas, especially with respect to my interpretation of each language's value. I'm no linguist, nor am I sufficiently erudite in the required fields to provide a comprehensively informed opinion. For those reasons, among others, I strongly recommend you do some research yourself, if only to confirm my statements.

If I'm wrong at any point, feel free to point it out.

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In addition to traditionally Russian-speaking areas, keep in mind all the immigrants from the former Soviet Union, which have settled in many other countries and continue speaking Russian. No matter which country you travel to, the odds are good you'll meet someone who speaks Russian.

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Well there's a Ukrainian Church near me. They sound similar to Russian imo.

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Yes, Ukrainian is very similar to Russian. For the most part, if you know Russian, you will be able to understand Ukrainian, at least the gist of what is being said.

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Putin will take over the world, so... Russian ofc.

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french all the way

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Rossiya.

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Russian is more useful online, especially since most native French speakers know English. I believe French is a more valuable language since it complements English, however, given that English is heavily influenced by French. Depending on why you'd wish to learn the language, however, either works.

Whatever the case, Influent won't teach you much. If you want something that will, and is even free, I strongly recommend Duolingo.com. Babbel.com may also be useful, albeit I have no personal experience with it. Naturally, if you can afford the hefty fee, Rosetta Stone is the leading language learning software and outscores all competitors by orders of magnitude.

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Duolingo is fantastic for its very natural learning style, score tracking + progression system (woo gamer pandering!), and price of $0. I've done their German language lessons on my phone & PC and both were very easy to use. Surprisingly it felt easier to use on my phone after I started adding German words to my Swype dictionary.

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Hmm... I'll have to keep this in mind. I learned German in high school (ages ago) and I'd love to refresh it. I still remember all of the basics, but my vocabulary is pretty rudimentary.

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Apparently, the German course is superb. My brother loves it.

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Good to know, thanks. :)

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Yeah. Been using duolingo for Espanol. I was planning to use influent to supplement duolingo.

Been waiting for Chinese on duolingo to be released.

Russian course is estimated to be released September this year.

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¡Estoy aprendiendo español, también! Por desgracia, no soy más que el nivel ocho.

Now, if only they taught Ancient Greek and Latin... Oh well, Modern Greek will have to do for now.

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If you learn Russian, it's only a few steps to a huge variety of other slavic languages.
... If you learn French, on the other hand... It's only a step to... Um... Creolized French?

So you will get more for your money by chosing the Russian!

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try spanish, italian, romanian...

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You are right.
However, I think it's not that far to Spanish, Italian or Romanian from the English itself.

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The housekeeper game! I had hopes this game would teach grammar. It does teach vocabulary for items inside a house only. You better buy Berlitz guides, rather save money to pay a proper course if you really want to learn it.

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French-with French you can speak in France, some Africa countries, Canada, Switzerland, Belgium, north Italy etc. But with Russian language you can speak only in Russia because Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh etc. languages are different from Russian. And also you need to learn azbuka writing.

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In Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh etc. everyone knows russian.

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but may send you home

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because that's where you want to visit these days

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And most of Slavic speakers would understand you at least a bit. So that's a lot of people.

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austrians speak accented german, its not a different language by any stretch, apparently arnold schwarzenegger(yeah i had to google that spelling) speaks with what sounds to germans an austrian accent thus wasnt allowed to do his own dubbing into german :)

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From usefulness point of view - Russian. Since you already speak English there are only a few places you wont be able to communicate where French would help. On the other hand with Russian you get all the old USSR territories and English is pretty spotty there (young people learn it, but it will take time before its common). On my coworkers recent trip to Georgia the guy that spoke Russian had much better results then the ones that spoke English only.

On the other hand if you want to just learn from this program I advise French. Russian is a language from a completely different group and with its own alphabet. If you dont dedicate time to seriously study it you wont get very far with it. French on the other hand will feel more familiar and you may get at least some basics just by this limited exposition.

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Yeah makes sense. All the French speaking people I've met speak English.

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There are more Russian speakers overall, but more French speaking countries. Anyway if you play Dota 2 go with Russian :)

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Russian, simply because I find French disgusting.

(sorry Frenchies)

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Buy the way, I voted for French, if you want a game to learn russian - play dota.

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You can only get swear words from there :P

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Rarely any Russians don't join Australian dota servers. We have Filipinos/Phillipinos instead.

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I speak French from my side, so I voted for French. :D

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;_;

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We still love you.

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Lol. In this line of reasoning, what is French useful for?

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French chicks, French women, French dames, and French restaurants.

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Another reason to learn Russian ;)

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Russian would be cool to learn as well. Russians have a rich history. Unfortunately, it mostly involves being brutally dominated by one group of ruthless assholes or another.

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You should checkout Russian literature, music, and film. There is a lot you are missing. Saying Russia didn't produce any literature worth reading is misleading, if not outright ignorant.

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??? You don't like to speak with your friends and that is why now started to read only french literature? don't get you hmm

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"My first language is Russian
fewer Russians you would want to talk to. Russian = useless
French people are much nicer to talk to
I used to be a huge bookworm
very few good Russians books/movies/anything
France at least has good movies, books, songs, etc"

I thought it was you, sorry if I am mistaken

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well from your post I saw : worthless to speak with rus (which is your native) nothing good in rus culture, quote "I know what I'm talking about"
but you love france culture and books and speak with them is better (thought you don't know french language)
If my assumption went wrong I am sorry, that is why I said I was confused by your post.

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I'd learn Russian just for Metro 2033.

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Hehe, I have to learn Russian :P

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Сhinese

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Я думаю русский будет тебе полезен, так как некоторые русские геймеры используют в разговоре с иностранцами только свой родной язык.

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Достойная причина, чтобы выбрать русский язык для изучения :)

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