How do you like the new library?
I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE the new library.
Did I mention that I hate it?
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I could live with how stupidly flashy it is if it wasn't so damn greedy.
It's a launcher. If i want some useless app hogging my resources while i game i would have Chrome open.
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Same. I might have to switch to pirated versions for games which need large amounts of RAM and use Steam's DRM feature.
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GOG Galaxy 2.0 needs about 500-600 MB RAM, just saying. New Steam Client on my System clogs in at 225 MB.
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New Steam Client on my System clogs in at 225 MB.
Guess you're running an ultra lite version lol
Did you just look at the top process or did you look at your available RAM before and after it runs? Because I'm not the only one who is getting a huge RAM hike from it.
Also, the other one was lighter for me. And I'm happy not to be using GOG. I don't think things that work fine should be beautified just because competitiors are running worse clients...
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See my other comment just below, it might help.
Also, Fnord says his client's memory leak only really occurs if it is minimized to his taskbar, not closed to his notification area.
乁( ◔ ౪◔)ㄏ
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The things we need to do...
Thanks for the tip. Apparently there's also some config trickery that allows to go back to the old client but they'll probably plug that with the next update. God forbid we're allowed to decide what works for us, right?
A simple "text only" setting would work just fine and they wouldn't even have to admit they screwed up.
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Apparently you can run it with
-no-browser +open steam://open/minigameslist
in the target box of the Steam app shortcut. There is a space before -no-browser
and you get a minimalist version that clocks at 50 MB RAM. No prettyfying, not much in ways of features but at least it helps if you're running greedier games than RPGMaker stuff and visual novels.
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Yes. Unfortunately, using that extension has some side effects:
keep in mind that this will have the following side effects:
1) no in-client store browser
2) reverts new Chat to old Chat
3) because of #2 it will disable Remote Play Together
4) no new Library
5) no library bigger than the minigameslist
6) no downloads screen
7) no web browser in the OverlayI use #1 & 6 :(
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I don't use any of these but yeah I get that it's a sacrifice.
At least you can use it if you're running a game that is on the high side of CPU and RAM
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Yes.
At least one has the option of switching to that ingame for games which require every bit of ram you have. One can always switch back to the regular version to use those features again.
And one can temporarily downgrade, as I mentioned elsewhere on this page.
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225 MB? I don't believe that. Here it's about 1200 MB. The old client used less than half that.
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I think he probably only looked at the top "Steam" process. There are about a dozen processes open for me, not counting all the other related processes that are running so it's clearly higher than 225 MB;
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~280 on all processes total here. It goes up by around 100 when I have it open depending on the page (it's highest when you have the most games visible at the same time) but it drops immediately after minimizing or running a game. Both low performance/bandwidth modes on since there's no big noticeable difference in how it looks between on/off might as well as have them on.
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Adding the total for all processes running under Steam banner I get about 550MB just for those (the bootstrapper alone runs at 150MB) but there are also other instances of processes that go to work when you run Steam.
Looking at my available RAM before and after I run the client, about 1GB (no game running) is gone when I run.
The Steam board is filled with people bitching about memory leakage and performance issues so I'm sure it's not just me but maybe it's because you're running a 32bit system?
Anyway, I'm going to the minigames list. If Steam doesn't improve their client with options, I'll stick with that.
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I'm not running a 32bit system and why it says 32bit I don't know. I am however on the beta client and can confirm I've seen it go over 2gb ram usage on a previous version but I have not seen it go up in the past week.
I just tried opening as many windows in steam as possible (friends, chat, news popup, settings windows) and scrolling through my library at the same time. The highest usage I hit was ~500 mb (watching ram in use from the task manager jump by 0.4-5GB). The moment I stop scrolling it drops down to 200-300.
Another thing I tested is disabling low performance, bandwidth and GPU acceleration. I saw no difference in ram usage with low performance/bandwidth modes however the moment I disabled GPU acceleration steam instantly jumped to nearly 1gb ram usage when just scrolling and no other windows open.
That said I do agree that steam is heavier now (just scrolling can get my Ryzen 3700x usage to 30%+ and RTX 2070S to 40%), I'm not really a fan of this making everything a webapp that's been going on with a lot of big programs in recent years.
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Interesting. Did you check if the Steam client you're running is 32 bit then?
I hope I can get it to where you are in terms of resources. I have the RAM to spare but some games are really getting greedy and I'd rather keep it for smooth gaming that just for running a client in the background that does nothing useful.
I don't really know why they made such a change after the beta seemed to have done pretty poorly with testers. I'm sure it's not about users so there must be something in it for them but I can't figure it out.
Hopefully they'll make adjustments. We'll see. Thanks for the replies
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Is there even a 64 bit steam client? The WebHelper does run as a 64bit process, only the bootstrapper is 32bit. Tried searching but there doesn't seem to be any info other than a linux distros dropping support for 32bit and steam no longer working on them.
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GOG Galaxy 2.0 is only using 330-355 MB RAM on my PC.
But GOG Galaxy 2.0 is also in beta, and is pulling together and displaying games from Steam, GOG, Uplay, Origin, Epic, Xbox, and PlayStation. Steam is just doing Steam.
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I really hope there is a way to switch back. The new version is just a big cluttered mess of pictures and junk that I don't want to see and it is much slower to load. I hate how major updates to software and operating systems seem to always make things worse.
Edit: I was able to switch back to the old version by using the script posted in another comment here.
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There is a way to block all the pictures, which does reduce system resources, or so I've heard. It involves changing the permissions/owners of the subfolder into which the pictures are stored. (C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\subfolder-whose-name-I've-forgotten)
Also, go to settings>library and check "low bandwidth" "no community content" "low resource" and this might help.
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So agree with this. Even something as simple as finding a full list of games you own isn't possible any more.
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+1.
Edit: It's not quite as horrid with low-performance mode and low-bandwidth mode enabled in Settings->Library. But still much worse than the old style.
Edit 2: See these tips from enjobg for ways to make the home screen less terrible.
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its shit and it crashed well i was alt tabbed out of a game soo steam fucking killed my game....well browsing in my library
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Yes. Very messy and cluttered, and slooooow. Froze the first time I ran it.
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It's fine. I have shortcuts on my desktop anyway and only display installed games.
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I love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, LOVE the new library.
Did I mention that I love it?
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+1
Hopefully I will learn to love it again. :D
Hate is just a waste of energy and will eat you up inside.
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You're hungry for love, my dear. Believe it or not. ;p
You can ignore it, you can try substituting it with whatever you may find, and there's a lot to find, but you won't ever feel properly satisfied and sated without that missing bit.
Self-hatred is cancer that grows inside. :( Don't be so hard on yourself. Be kind!
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I love it too ! it takes time to appreciate new things that is all :)
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Me too! the only problem is its increased memory usage but that could eventually be optimized.
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I actually quite like it too, it takes some getting used to it but I like how it makes categorizing my games so much easier!
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I hope they add an option to switch back and forth , i think i liked the old one better
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They probably won't. It's obvious the new launcher is not made with users in mind and they can't admit they screwed up.
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HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE THE STEAM LIBRARY SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR THE STEAM LIBRARY AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. HATE. HATE.
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sry 4 caps. the site i copyed Am's speech from had it in caps
in the end i like having all the info it offers accessible but i dont want it to load it with every game i highlight. and i really dont like its all "app looking" idk how to describe it, the info is in boxes scattered around instead of a list format
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sry 4 caps. the site i copyed Am's speech from had it in caps
Works for me; I read it in Harlan Ellison's voice.
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I like to think Ellison self-plagiarized that whole speech from one of his mundane, day-to-day interactions--like a waitress forgot his coffee or something--and decided to frame a story around the rant later.
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Atrocious. They only had to integrate the new features to the old thumbnails gallery but no...
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I still wish for the minimalistic old green one, but every time I just see more stuff added to it. I want my steam to be a launcher not a social gathering with pretty buttons
Also instead to have their own place, videos now stuffed to my "uncategorised" list, and take more clicks to acces than it was previously, which i kinda hate
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I like it. I have all the information about a game in one convenient place.
Prior to this update, I never used anything but the sidebar list.
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Odd. my Steam client is only using 550MB of RAM (in total, for all related processes).
Edit: OK, going back and forth from various store pages to the library and collections, I got it to go as high as ~630MB, but that's about it.
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I didn't even click anything. With no game open and nothing but the library open (a subcategory at random), I'm up to 900+ Mb.
When I started a game, it went up to 1.3 Gb. I didn't add all the processes, I just looked at the available RAM before and after.
Ok it's only 1 Gb (I won't even try the overlay) and it's not like I'm running a calculator but the old one topped at 250Mb, that's quite a massive hike for beautification.
Now imagine running a Ubi or EA game that needs two clients open. So long, Assassin's Creed lol
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Uses about 275mb, give or take for the Client service and all the web helpers
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Only one great complaint.
"Update!? Library categorization has disappeared"
┐ (´Θ`) ┌It is a regrouping.
By the way, the first freeze with a new client was terrible.
Kill the Steam client.
Then, press the Windows key, enter "Steam", and "Run as administrator". fix :(
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"Update!? Library categorization has disappeared"
Have you tried selecting the down arrow next to GAMES in the list and then checking the "GROUP BY COLLECTION" option?
That made all of my categories appear, just as they were before the update.
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No, it was categorized, but the contents disappeared.
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Ah OK, I had the opposite problem. My contents were all there, but the categories disappeared until I selected that option.
I'm wondering why the categories of only some people are disappearing and not others.
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Considering I still use the old one (together with the old chat) the answer is not one little bit.
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Are you saying that you still use the old one after the update? Is there a way to run the old client because I would love to.
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Microfishd answered with the proper way to do it but that one sadly doesn't work for me so I just launch Steam with these parameters -no-browser +open steam://open/minigameslist which literally breaks everything but the chat and the (small mode) library but I am used to use my browser for everything else related to Steam anyways so I don't mind.
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Thanks, I'll give it a try if I can't get the old version to install. I do almost everything through my browser as well. I also tried the script and couldn't get it to work, but I am going to keep trying for now.
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I'm not sure what issues you were having with the script, but I got it working and I'm using the old Steam client again. I did use your method for a little while which was better and only used a little over half the memory that the full new client uses.
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On, my problem is that I am on Linux and therefore that is not usable for me, nothing with the script itself.
I am glad you got it working :)
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I'd love to be able to revert back!
How are you able to still use the old version without being force-updated to the new one? Just really want to know!
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You can revert back to the old version BUT doing this means you probably will no longer get security updates.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!
https://github.com/antigravities/unreact (not my work)
I made a steam.cfg file in C:Program Files (x86)\Steam\ which says
BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable
BootStrapperForceSelfUpdate=disablewhich prevents updates
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Thank you, Microfishd.
I will leave the self-update flag alone, given the security concerns.
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Microfishd answered with the proper way to do it but that one sadly doesn't work for me so I just launch Steam with these parameters -no-browser +open steam://open/minigameslist which literally breaks everything but the chat and the (small mode) library but I am used to use my browser for everything else related to Steam anyways so I don't mind.
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Yeah having watched the crapfest that happened on my main pc with this ugly mess I simply blocked the steam update in my firewall on my laptop before going online - at least that way I get to keep my laptop running with minimal memory usage and a nice neat uncluttered client :) - even if I do have to suffer the constant "look at these lovely games you might like" crap on my main one :{
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There is not a single thing about the new version I like.
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Nope, mostly because I didn't even use the old ones. I just display the installed games and leave the rest of them alone.
Now the list of installed games requires me to scroll down due to the extra 3 lines (Home, search bar, Games) above the first game. And that is even with changing the setting to 'small'.
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I'm with igel. I sort my games by Recent, Installed, and Alphabetical. Those are the only sorts I need. What sorts are you finding useful?
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Currently I've been sorting by installed AND recent. Really useful.
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If it were up to me we'd still be using command line interfaces for most things. I can tolerate this but I like the old version better.
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Your wish has been granted:
https://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68783
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seems more "different" than actually "better". i also think the new one is a little more social focused, which i liked, because, after all, that's why I like Steam more than others DRM.
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I didn't even realise it changed until I saw this thread. Oops?
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I hate it, and thanks to Lugum's thread and the contributors I swiftly and steadily reverted back to the old version
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I like it better than the old one. It has the old features plus new ones. But to be fair it needs some getting used to.
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I don't really hate it because I haven't seen it, since the update, Steam crashes when I start it. Have to start with the
[code]+open steam://open/minigameslist[/code]
parameter.
Yeah ok so I guess I hate it actually. lol
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I mean, this is way better to me. But I also have a large library and I also want to organize my library. Same goes for filters. Also it gives fun tidbits about which friends got the game when and so on. Personally I think they should let you turn individual social aspects off though. I don't care to see the community posts for its screenshots.
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One thing I think they forgot, or at least I can't seem to find, is how to filter games from other people's libraries. I mean family sharing. Before there was a tab for that but now they are all mixed up.
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There is not a single positive thing I can say about it. I want my library to be simple, clean and fast, the new library UI achieves none of these.
For the record I used to use this view and only displayed the installed games (4-5 at most):
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in the settings there is a way to make the library faster. you can also click the play button to show only installed games
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I know, I disabled whatever I could, still it is far slower than the old one and looks worse for me.
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On my PC the difference between old steam client and new one is very negligible. I'd recommend you take a look at something on your PC slowing steam down. It really shouldn't be "far slower" unless your PC is decades old.
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Also depends on the games you play i guess because the new library is eating RAM like a greedy pig so if it will change something for you at some point
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without deactivating anything it is eating 400MB of ram. I'm sorry but are really you saying that those 400MB are the stopping you from running games?
With every thing deactivated steam uses 200MB, sometimes less. If 200-400Mb are really needed for your PC to performe well then you have bigger problems then steam.
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1) It is not eating 400 MB. It's eating over 1 GB of my RAM while not running any game.
But I"m glad it's only taking 400 MB of RAM for you.
2) It's not for Steam to decide how I use my resources. It's a game launcher, nothing more. Whether users have 8 GB of RAM or 32 GB of RAM is irrelevant. The old client did the job perfectly: launching games, for less than 200 MB.
The extra GB of RAM for no reason at all is unacceptable.
And no it's not preventing me from running games. I just hate pointless resource hogging and the new client runs like a pregnant whale on all my computers, including my gaming rig that runs recent games over 70 FPS.
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its literally a problem with you PC. this is steam with every thing activated in settings. (running a game so you can see it works well)
https://i.imgur.com/HNE8lJV.png
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Man, there are "literally" hundreds of pages of reports on Steam from people who have the same problem I do.
So you are one of the few lucky ones who don't. Congratulations. Now can you stop bugging me with pointless replies?
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it's okay, I can adapt.
I mean, the font is too big for my taste (even with the smallest option) and there are way too many pictures cluttering everything, but I can adapt.
The only thing I hate, and I mean HATE, is, that Steam forces it's pseudo social media crap on me. Is it so hard to make this optional? I'm happy for everyone who likes this, but I don't.
I don't want to see the achievements of my friends, and if I'm curious, I visit their profile.
I don't want to see their screenshots, unless I go to their gallery.
Both of them could contain spoilers and the last thing I want to see on my game page are spoilers.
And it's hogging the majority of the game page, My own achievements are collected somewhere on the right site, as well as my screenshots and DLC's. Why is my own stuff shoved to the side? O_o
They can implement whatever fancy stuff they want, make it as big as they want, I don't care as long as I can choose what I want to see and what not. Or at least where these things are. Put MY Achievements, MY Screenshots and stuff in the centre and the stuff of my friends at the bottom and I'm fine. I mean, I am using this launcher with my account, so chances are that I'm interested in MY progress.
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Steam forces it's pseudo social media crap on me. Is it so hard to make this optional?
Steam > Settings > Library > Disable Community Content. or Low Bandwidth Mode.
It doesn't really fix the rest of the things you've listed, though. :X
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:D These were the first things I changed when I tried the new library during the beta phase. It really helps, but I still hope they give us more options, so every user can enjoy the things he likes while at the same time avoid what he does not want ^^
Or maybe we get skins to take care of these problems. I've read that the launcher will be more customizable.
For now, I used the script to go back to the old library :3
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Most definitely. I wouldn't mind a checklist of options, either. I also wouldn't mind being able to resize or drag and drop the various sections around the UI, but that's probably wishful thinking on my part.
I'm easy to please, though, so I can't complain too much about the new UI, other than it's taking some getting used to.
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+1 My thoughts exactly.
The bolder font will take some getting used to but the social media crap that's shoving my own info to the side needs the boot( I have since turned on the low bandwidth mode now).
I want to see at a glance what dlcs I have and my progress, achievements, etc. Instead of social media, it would be very helpful to see sales on any dlcs I don't have for games in my library all on one store page ofc preferably but I will take on the game page too.
Steam has a sort of choose your placement for profiles info, why not for the client? I would imagine it'd be an even more resource hog than now but hey at least make it perfect if it's going down that path.
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+1
It's totally stupid that we know more on what friends are doing with their achievements & so that we are on ours personnal stuff!
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Just curious what the majority thinks.
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