That's the issue. I only have one stick. I'd order two for Dual Channel now, I guess?
Motherboard.. yeah that could be the case as well. Hmm. That would be the ultimate suckage because I'd need to activate Windows again. Sigh. GPU is okay, tho.
Thanks for replying!
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You can never be sure, that is correct. But I noticed a significant loss of performance over time and that is definitely something broken RAM would do and a GPU would not have an effect on.
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Most of the hardware is only 6 years old. My GPU is 1 year old.
I clean installed Windows 11 about half a year ago.
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Have you had to mess with any bios settings recently? Maybe you have needed to replace the battery on the motherboard? They only last for about 5 years as far as I know. When mine gave up I accidentally mixed up memory timings and that caused similar issues including the occasional BSOD. I have had no more issues when I found and used the actual correct settings.
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Replaced the battery 1 year ago and always updated it. Hmm idk if it still could be the issue. I still have a spare battery on hand, I will try that, thanks.
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Usually RAM with the problems you saw onscreen.
If I were you, I would buy two sticks of RAM (same capacity e.g., 4 GB each)
ddr4-2133
Only if the capacity and speed are the same, can the ram work in dual Channel.
You can check for dual-channel working using this freebie: https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
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First check your drivers than move on to hardware because in my case it was nvidia driver which was causing the blue screen crash. I simply reinstalled it and now its working fine for like 3 months zero crashes.
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I used DDU to completely remove the drivers and it still happenes.
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your pc turns off without any blue screen or ash black screen and power supply fan is still running???
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Sometimes I get a blue screen with a random "fault". Windows shows different things.
Sometimes I don't get a BSOD at all.
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It's showing a different error code all the time. Sometimes it's "IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL", sometimes it's "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA".
Completely random.
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If its showing blue screen check the botton left side its states the file name causing the error. In my case it showed me VIDEO_tdr failure. It will also show you something similar. If you dont get BSOD at all it can be your faulty motherboard too. In 11 year of gaming i faced many issues including no BSOD because of faulty motherboard.
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It's showing a different error code all the time. Sometimes it's "IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL", sometimes it's "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA".
Completely random.
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But those are not the error codes, you need something with 0x00000 etc thats a useful code, people can work with.
Even if they are different each time, try to capture them still as much as you can, the more you got the more to rule out.
That's it not the same thing over and over, makes the jump to a motherboard cause more probable (as that would give you a whole wide spectrum of issues), but again so far anything could still go.
What you say are just descriptions (also useful but still combined with the actual error codes better).
Maybe something shows about errors here:
https://www.m-files.com/user-guide/2018/eng/faq_checking_windows_event_logs.html
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I use to have similar BSOD once its was like page_file.Ini etc but it was fixed after using Dll files fixer. But be careful these Dll files are very delicate and can cause serious errors.
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This is a great idea. I'll download a Linux distro now.
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I would suggest performing a check for corrupt files first.
Copy & paste this into ur command prompt, then press enter:
DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth
And that's done, do the same for this:
sfc /scannow
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I´m the kind of guy who fixed everyones computers since the 90s and if there is one thing I´ve learned: It can ALWAYS be the RAM 😅
But as many people already said, there are a lot of other possibilities. Its always best to find a way to borrow compatible hardware so you can swap one thing out after the other and see if the problem gets fixed at some point (sadly very time consuming, when the problem occours randomly).
I´ve also encountered all kinds of strange behavior caused by defective USB Devices & Ports, so it might be worth reducing the amount of connected USB-Devices to the absolute minimum for a while and connect them to ports that are not in use ATM and see if it helps.
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That was also my idea so I disconnected every USB device except the keyboard. Then I disconnected the keyboard and used mouse only. Still happened.
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Removed all dust with my vacuum and canned gas so I don't think this is the issue, but thanks
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My money is on your PSU(power supply). Seriously though according to your description it could be anything and everything. Best method would be to disassemble the box and carefully inspect every component for faulty capacitors, ICs and so on. After inspection if you didn't find anything obviously wrong next step would be replacing one component after another with a known good component. But for this you'd need a working computer as parts donor.
For testing RAM use only one memory bank at a time and test each stick individually in different memory slots.
Edit: You might need a multimeter for testing. Check some vids from NorthridgeFix and/or Louis Rossmann on how error analysis is done.
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You think the PSU could be the issue? Hm. I'm way below the max usage of the watts it gives, tho.
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If you decide to open the PSU be careful because afaik could be dangerous even if it's plugged off
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By your description anything could be the issue. E.g. if a capacitor, IC, resistor etc. is faulty the component might give you intermittent errors. If you aren't savvy in electronics repair your only recourse is to replace the parts one by one with known good components to pinpoint the error. Nowadays repair shops are far and few between and more expensive than throwing away the faulty part and replacing it with a new one sadly.
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Or have pc cases like me that are 25kg and you dont't just simply go to a store with without a car. :p
But yeah their costs are expensive, but what's not these days, i read stories about simple plumbing jobs 280 to 1500 euro...
Plumbers these days are the new doctors/lawyers, they can ride a porsche.
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I disagree to some extent. The cost of doing business is extremely high today. In my city a medium sized shop costs about 15,000 € rent monthly. Now add costs for labor, energy, equipment and you're beginning to see why everything gets so expensive.
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Labor is labor and subjective, is something working in a warehouse or cleaning do less intensive work then a plumber? In that the latter are almost getting doctor/lawyer incomes up to a 1000 euro a day? They commonly showing off they ride in porsches (which is ridiculous). They even go so far here better to learn a trade then go to uni.
A plumber gets their energy from the house at the place where they at, equipment, i don't think a saw, a drill, a vacuum cleaner etc that really increased in price so drastically (but i must say i have no clue since i don't use them).
And yes even gasonline (maybe not in america) can also increase costs just for riding to a customer, but 280 euro for a plumbing job (including the excuse as 75 for "vacuuming costs")? Not to mention even up to 1500, many people that don't got it so luxurious, can't afford such prices, and working themselves over debt about such things.
But yes energy is a big problem now that their costs are 4x more now and why it's predicted 1 out of 5 business would go for bankruptcy (along with all the people, also working for them will be driven into wellfare).
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Oh, I wasn't referring to your plumber example specifically. There are scammers around exploiting such everyday emergencies and asking ridiculous amounts for a simple repair job.
I wanted to point out the cost of running an electronics repair shop where I live.
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Yeah but sadly asking such prices seem to be considered "normal" rather then "scams" these days, because there are so few workers that knows a trade because it even had a stigma that people that weren't so smart would choose such professions.
If you want to have your house redecorated you wait up to a few months, and thus they can even ask such prices.
Same thing as people that look down on people that collect your garbage, but let them not do that for a few weeks/months and see how they are just as important.
But yeah i understand your point too, that in certain places rent can also be high.
Even if you work hard, now here everything about 45000 euro will be taxed 87%, every day i strongly believe more and more our government does have a secret agenda trying to make and keep us poor (but that's a whole different, political discussion). ;)
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I was looking for someone pointing to the PSU.
They get old and dirty (well, that sounds weird... but you know what I mean :D ).
When a PSU go nuts, the voltage isn't good and there are random errors everywhere.
It could be anything for sure, but don't forget about PSU a part mostly overlooked when buying a PC.
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Might be the RAM, yes. I'd similar issue. My PC was crashing quite randomly, most often on playing videos in the browser, but also few minutes after starting any game. Usually, it then worked fine until the next day. I've suspected audio driver/motherboard issue at first. But after some time it stopped booting at all. I've checked the RAM, removed one of the sticks and the original issue went away.
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Not the first suspect but do you have Intel i5 CPU by any chance? There is a known issue with Intel bay trail that cause random freezes on some i5 variants.
If it's because of RAM you must run memtest86 to be sure. However if you have large amount of RAM, this test might take days to complete one cycle, it's kind of a pain.
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I'd recommend running memtest86 for ~16-24 hours, or until an error occurs. If the error are in the same spot all the time then it's your RAM, if it's a random placing of errors then there's a good chance it's the Mobo. If it comes back clean it could be your GPU, but it could also be a faulty drive or your PSU. That said it's typically motherboard, GPU, RAM or CPU in that order. Unless the crashes are consistently occuring under load, then the PSU becomes a prime suspect too.
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I've ran memtest. Showed errors. PSU is fine I hope..
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I didn't read all the answers so it has probably been suggested already. But just in case : you have a simple way to verify your RAM, by running Memtest (link fixed; thanks to Kappaking)
All you need is an USB stick and a bit of time. Then launch the test and let it run for a few hours, it will give you a clear vision on how your RAM goes.
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RAM, by running Memtest.
URL https://www.memtest86.com/
Oh..
https://www.memtest.org/
It's a version with a different name and different contents that was acquired by PassMark.
If people are going to use it for memory testing, this is the one I would recommend.
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Indeed !
I was in a hurry and took the first result for memtest, now that you point my mistake out, then of course, you are right. Use the GPL one and not the other one. Correcting my post now.
Thank you !
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Without reading any comments, here's some options you can try
Hope this "might help".
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No offense, but if one would actually do that, then it would save OP a lot of redundant information to go through as many things already been suggested before (especially the check your ram part).
Why i sometimes don't meddle in these people seeking help threads, because suddenly everyone is a IT pro, even suggesting already to just go buy a new RAM. When there actually are professionals here (be it job wise or hobby wise).
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Yeah, you do have a point, personally should've read through them a bit to understand what people suggested and what others didn't.
I don't consider myself as a pro, I mainly do it as a hobby most of the time, and it's I feel like it's just basic information you can get by doing a short search. Sometimes, you should leave it to the professionals.
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Without details about your hardware setup, your processor, your ram type, size, and speed, your motherboard, your graphics card, the programs you run, your operating system, your background programs, and the kinds of things you do on your PC, the best you're going to get is people throwing spaghetti at the walls.
Programs like like HWINFO (CPUZ, and GPUZ could also give some useful detail) as well as exact error codes and descriptions will go a long way toward providing context for these errors. You can also use a program like BlueScreenView by Nirsoft to look back at some of your bluescreens (if they were logged, they may not always be) and report some of those error codes from the relevant dates, or take pictures of your screen the next time you have a bluescreen and post them on imgur so that someone can look up the errors.
Without those details its impossible to know if you're running into heat problems, hard to tell if your ram is running at the right speeds or voltages (Something important bios settings can change after losing power, being unplugged, or being powered down too long in some cases with a bad CMOS battery.) Could be issues caused by a bad PSU that is extremely old, overloaded, or from a non-reputable company. Details from your event viewer logs and what errors are showing up in there could also potentially help. S.M.A.R.T. readout from your your harddrive could help determine some issues as well.
With only one stick of ram you wont be able to swap and test the other stick to see if theres any more stability. Ram that seems to throw errors in memtest could indicate an issue with ram thats going bad, or it could simply be that the ram and or processor are misconfigured in the bios, and or the ram could just be in the wrong slot which has been known to cause issues on some motherboards. (Though typically it'll result in a no-boot rather than weird errors, but cant really rule that out.) Your bios may have settings on what to do after a power loss, and windows should have settings on what to do after a bluescreen, whether its autoreboot or not.
What are the exact bluescreen errors and codes you get?
What are your PC hardware specs?
What operating system / what version?
When did you get your PC?
When was the last time the PC was running fine?
What hardware have you changed, updated, or fiddled with since it was running fine?
What programs did you newly start using or updating?
Is your bios up to date / does it support the CPU you put in it?
What do your temps look like at idle, and under load?
Do you have a non-microsoft virusscanner that could be causing some issue?
Have you tried booting in safe mode and messing around for a few hours, does the problem happen there?
Do you have stable power in the house / dont have too many things plugged into one circuit (room / nearby rooms.)
Does your PC run for days without crashing, or is it measured in minutes / hours?
Have you monitored the programs running in the background with something like Process Explorer and eliminated the non-necessary ones from your startup to see if that helps improve stability?
Are you trying to use any software to overclock anything, either intentionally or unintentionally?
Do you have your ram in the right slot on the motherboard? (Most motherboards have a preference for which slots are populated first.)
Are your ram voltages correct for the ram type?
Did you enable XMP or DOCP which are technically overclocks on the ram?
Do you live in a very hot, humid, or dusty environment? (Taking a picture of the inside of your PC could help give people an idea of if there are any weird problems going on there.)
Does your PC crash when its just sitting idle and you're not doing anything with it?
Do you have enough ram + Virtual memory to run the programs you're trying to run? (Browsers left open too long can have memory leaks, as can some games.)
Imgur has been known to bluescreen some computers if you scroll endlessly or have too many video tabs open at once.
Some failing mice, keyboards, and network cards have been known to cause bluescreens. (Some can also be caused by driver problems.)
The more detail you can provide, the fewer shots in the dark that people will take and the more you can focus your efforts, but it does require a couple of hours of gathering screenshots and details and posting them in a way that would let people help a bit more easily. It could also just be the case that some random piece of your hardware is in the process of failing, or is simply incompatible, but its hard to know for sure.
EDIT: It might not hurt to visually check for leaky capacitors on the motherboard too. Have seen that create problems in the mid to late 2000's, have also seen power supplies with leaky main capacitors. However you should not open a PSU if you dont know what you're doing.
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In my opinion way too much useless information to gather, and not mentioning the time (a day's worth questionaire), when you can already root out so much if he would just show the BSOD error codes and maybe the event log without it being people throwing spaghetti against a wall.
You are just showing a list that's even longer then any normal tech support guy would show and ask you.
In most cases you won't even have to know a brand when to know what piece of hardware is the culprit.
Hardware gonna hardware, no matter the brand.
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While i do agree somewhat, the thread was posted 4 hours ago and has 80 comments shotgunning pretty much the whole spectrum. Barely anyone asked for specific details about the software environment, hardware, or any of the other important things for troubleshooting something. The list was both to gather some info, and also to put them in the mindset to consider things that may have changed or that could jog their memory into providing a key component to solving the issue.
It sounds like they've tried some fairly specific things to diagnose the problem, more than i would have expected for a user that didnt provide the exact crash codes or hardware specs in the original post, seemed like a better idea to just put it all out there and let them provide any details they can or give them a few ideas to pursue while waiting for other responses.
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I agree also somewhat, and it's commendable everyone tries to help, but some are trying google or not have so much knowledge when i am sure there are several IT (specialists) here, but it can get confusing for an op with getting so many questions fired (and answering to each one of them).
Then again some might have had similar issues themselves and could sometimes come with a good tip, personally i had something similar and it was something to do with the gpu.
And several said well not gonna read the whole thread, but have you checked your ram? Yeah that's been already discussed.
Op however said errors were found, but he does not say which ones.
But if he could already check the event log for errors but most importantely get the BSOD error codes that would already come a long long way without needing much else, the BSOD are usually very good guidelines on what the issues are.
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I would say try to check your disk health, I had one with problems and it did similiar stuff to what you said, I use CrystalDiskInfo.
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I did quick google search and this is what popped up. Maybe give it a shot and see what happens. I didn't read the whole tread and don't know if it has been suggested all ready.
Is there a RAM tester?
Windows has a built-in RAM testing tool. It's included on Windows 10, Windows 11, Windows 7, and all other modern versions of Windows. To launch the Windows Memory Diagnostic tool, open the Start menu, type “Windows Memory Diagnostic”, and press Enter.
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For example
But it seems, the main problem is that some of them don't recognize more than 3-4 GB.
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Did you completely clean it? And took things out and set them back in properly? One of the PC's here had problems, it had sudden power downs. Not starting up the first time, only the second time etc. In the end it was a graphics card that got a bit loose. Once all was properly set again it all worked perfectly once again. So that would be my step 1 advice :)
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I haven't read through all the other comments, but the first thing I would do is check the Windows event log and see if there is anything there that can give you a hint.
Also, what type of buzzing is it and where do you hear it. Does it come through speakers or is it a buzzing like a coil whine or electrical arcing that you can hear if you put your ear near the case or possibly monitor. On my last computer, I had a bad case power button that would randomly turn the computer on in the middle of the night, so I always flipped the main power switch on the back of the PSU every night to make sure it stayed off. I eventually wore out something in the switch and it started to make an electrical arcing noise. The PSU was old enough that I was already considering replacing it, so I didn't bother trying to fix it.
Also, I have had my GPU drivers crash and the computer would keep running, but the GPU would get stuck in an extremely low power state. Games would go from like 100 fps down to something like 5. Restarting the computer would make it run normal again. Maybe your GPU driver is crashing and then when it is running in that low power state it is causing coil whine and that is what you are hearing. There are so many possibilities.
Edit: When I originally read that the computer still runs and you can see an image on the screen, I thought the computer was still running in a state where you could use it, but after reading it again, it sounds like you meant that the image freezes on the screen and you hear buzzing in the speakers. This is hard to diagnose because I think pretty much any part of the computer failing could cause it.
I would try uninstalling and reinstalling the CPU in the socket, heatsink on the CPU, memory, GPU, and all data and power cables to make sure everything is connected properly and not loose. You can try setting the BIOS back to default settings if you did overclocking or any advanced settings from there and disable software overclocks from within windows if you are running any just to get everything back to factory settings. Then I would use a program to monitor temperatures while you run some kind of stress test on the CPU or GPU to see if the temps are reasonable and if it crashes. You can also run a memory test.
If the computer is still crashing, I would try uninstalling and reinstalling any major drivers and test again. If it still crashes, I would either try a fresh operating system install or start trying to narrow down hardware issues. Try to find a certain stress test that will always make it crash and then use that to test as you make changes. You can try underclocking the frequency of the CPU or GPU and see if it makes it stable. Try one stick of RAM at a time. It could also be the power supply failing. If you have access to parts that are compatible, you can try swapping them in one at a time. Swapping components if you have access to them would obviously be the easiest way to test, but most people will not have spare parts. There may be other ways to test for faulty components while they are in the system. Maybe try doing a search for how to test each individual component.
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I don't know how long you have had windows 11 but Windows 11's Hardware Requirements Are Too Stringent!
Try installing a good copy of Windows 10 and see if that helps at all as windows 10 is more stable.
Then you can always re-upgrade later.
Hope you get it sorted mate 👍
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Hey guys,
so my PC randomly crashes. It still "runs" as in all the lights are still on and the coolers are spinning, the image onscreen is still there and all, but I hear a buzzing noise and I need to reboot.
Sometimes it boots afterwards, sometimes not.
It's not even consistent. Sometimes it crashes while I watch videos, sometimes when I play games.
I've read that my RAM could be the issue?
I wanted to know if this could be the case before I put 150€ on the table for something I might not need.
Any input is welcome.
Also, ofc there is a GA. Thanks for reading!
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