We always talking about politics with friends when we drunk ^^
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That really depends on the people that you are talking to. For example i keep an eye on politics but i am not really interested in participating at these kind of conversation nor my girlfriend. The best thing that you can do is ask them if they agree with something like that.
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Yes. Luckily my group of friends is really chill when discussing topics like politics or religion. Back when I was at University we used to have this kinds of discussion all the time after class to practice our oratory skills and to test how solid or weak our arguments were (we also joke about politics all the time ,so that helps). But I know a lot of people, including family, that just can´t keep it civil when talking about politics or religion, so we just avoid those topics.
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I, being a cynical ass, avoid political discussions.
I dont side with anyone, I usually hate all the parties involved
But still, when enough booze is involved we do discuss stuff now and then, but we have found it just leads to arguments more. And just because other people political views dont side with you, doesnt mean you cant be friends..
I study vehicle engineering, I definitely talk about cars or something related if it comes up, but someone liking a different brand or not liking cars dont affect my relationship with this person, so I dont see why you should consider important what others believe. As long as they dont force their view on you.
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I do think it matters, sometimes. If you support something and think it's very important to you, but they can't agree, that might end up harming your relationship in the long run. And it's just my opinion, but I think if you aren't comfortable sharing things like that with each other that's a bad sign.
Personally, I think any good friend or SO should be able to respect your political views regardless of where you stand.
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Yes, and i enjoy it, especially when correcting all the stupid populist shit that my friends often say.
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Only when drunk and with good friends. I never tend to talk about it when I'm sober because politics annoy me too much. It's all a charade, noone is who they pretend to be in politics.
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With my friends? Yes, of course. I have no problem with it, and neither do they, even when we have different views. That's part of being friends - accepting one another for who we are. If we didn't, we wouldn't be friends. Probably not something I'd bring up right away when first meeting a potential friend, though.
On a first date? Hmm, I think there are more interesting things to talk about. It'd probably come up in a subsequent date. But don't we date to check compatibility? Having said that, I'm totally okay with it coming up in conversation.
I guess in the end, there are more important criteria for me than politics and religion. They're not very high at all, in fact, but I could see how they might be for someone who is into politics (or religion).
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Yes but only with close friends, usually other people tend to take things too personally
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Yes, with friends, family and co-workers. I wouldn't pick politics as a topic for a first date, but would do so in the beginning of a relationship. That way both partners can gauge if there might be too big an obstacale.
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More like checking if it's someone with totally different life approaches.
Two feminists will go just along fine, just like two backers of patriarchy. Just don't try to mix them, it will end up badly.
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Yes, we laugh our asses off about US politics. I know the total decay of a Democracy isn't a laughing matter...and yet....my god...hahaha, those poor bastards.
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I really don't think bringing up the Syrian war is first date material :). I would limit first date politics with who did you vote for in the presidential election, that should tell you all the information you need for the foreseeable future.
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Kinda short on friends nowadays, but sometimes we do. Important matter, and if every person in the discussion can use proper logic, it's really worth discussing.
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yes, despite hating it for years.
since politics have a lot of influence in ours lives, i need to know what kind of person is on the other side.
for example, i can't be friends or tolerate someone that doesn't agree with abortion rights, or someone that wants to bomb syria or pakistan (because it's filled with terrorists, omg!), or some basic human rights i keep bringing up everywhere. ^^
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My opinion is wether you speak about it or not, the ability to discuss politics and religion in a civilised way is directly related to wether or not I can be friend with someone. I can be friendly with a lot of people, but to consider them friends require the ability to have deep discussions about whatever and feel secure that they will listen in a comprehensive way, but still burst my bubble when I say something shitty.
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Yes, because I do not tolerate a certain kind of person in my space and I'm not going to be friends with or date someone who has beliefs that are polar opposite to mine. It's sort of nice now, in a way, because all I have to do is ask them if they vote GOP and if the answer is "yes" In any capacity I can send them on their way. The human rights violations the current administration is committing isn't so nice, but in a First World Convenience sort of way, the process of weeding out people has certainly gone streamlined.
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Hey, let's not lump all GOP voters in together. I mean, sure, you invite the GOP to a party and they're bringing xenophobia. They're bringing homophobia. They're bigots. But some, I assume, are good people. ;)
Seriously, though, we shouldn't be painting every GOP voter with such a broad brush. Some are merely fiscal conservatives, and don't approve of the current administration any more than you do. And then you have to separate local elections from national elections - voting for a Republican for town council doesn't make you a Trump supporter.
And, besides, if we don't tolerate people of differing political views in our space, that just leads to a more divided and polarized country that it already is. If we're preaching tolerance, it should extend to GOP voters as well. The route to changing someone's mind begins with a conversation, and listening to what they have to say.
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If you want to practice tolerance with GOP that is certainly your prerogative, and more power to you. I personally hold the opinion that anyone who votes GOP know exactly what they're enabling, however, and I really don't have time for their little absolutions for why they might not support Trump but still vote for someone who enables his policies. And all people who run on the GOP ticket enable Trump one way or another, be it immigration roll-backs, anti-abortion stances, Onwards Christian Soldier rhetoric, or whatever they've got going.
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I totally understand and share your frustrations. It feels like the GOP has been transformed from a fiscally conservative party to a socially conservative populist one, and even though some politicians embrace the social conservatism merely to get elected and enact fiscally conservative policies, it doesn't excuse the social conservatism and populism - and even less so when they're hypocritical about it, like the politicians that only start to support gay marriage after finding out that their family member is gay or when they themselves are outed for soliciting gay sex.
But there are some exceptions too. For example, my brother is a Republican, but for purely fiscal reasons. He and you likely share very similar views on social issues such as immigration, abortion, etc. He's as disappointed with the policies of the current administration as you are. Granted, it has become a lot more difficult being a fiscal Republican during the reign of Trump, and I think it's going to cause some of their members to take a long, hard look at what their party has become and whether they can continue to support it as is. There are some Republicans that have become Democrats purely by virtue of standing still while their party went further and further right and left them behind. Regardless, I feel like further division and partisanship can only lead to worse outcomes, and that we need to find a way to bridge that gap and find our collective humanity if things are going to improve.
But saying that, I understand that I speak from a point of comfort in my liberal minded, tolerant and accepting suburban community. And I understand that the world looks very different from the rural community you find yourself in. I hope you'll be okay where you are. Progress and change can't come soon enough.
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You've already made the point. (An excellent one, by the way.) When it comes to humanity, generalizations should not be expected to apply to individuals. To do otherwise is to fall into the pit of Prejudice.
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I can appreciate your point of view on the matter even if I can't appreciate or understand your brother's, but how we all deal with things is, as you pointed out, entirely particular to our own experiences and surroundings. If you're willing to wait out this mess with family members who have differing points of view then you are a much more patient person than I am xD
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yeah, definitely!
i've always tried to keep me informed about foreign politics and internal politics of course, i'm an historian and being specialized in the european middle-ages and in northern italian's history that's not exactly my cup of tea but i speak about politics with everyone!
and i'm extremely interested in religion too, although in northern italy christianity practically dissolved after world war 2 so that it's hard to find religious people of non-immigrant background, so I try to talk with everyone, i'm really deeply interested in both arguments =)
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Sort of. I keep an eye on politics, but it gets old hearing the same old talking points and exaggerations after awhile, so I dont really care to have a conversation on it with people.
If someone wants to talk politics, especially if they have different views than I do, Im more than happy to have a conversation, but its rare I ever initiate political conversations with anyone.
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No body used to talk about politics here in my country then it became the speech of everyday
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I am trying to avoid talking about politics because I always get pissed off.
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I've often heard people say that religion and politics are taboo conversation topics for first dates and only to be brought up later into a relationship and even later in friendships. Do you agree?
I'm a student of politics so it's pretty important to me whether or not the person I'm dating or friend I'm hanging out with has some strange political beliefs. For example, I like to find out their opinion on the Syrian war and whether they think the US is justified in their bombing.
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