Can you read? Or are you stupid?
I do not ask them to give me a key. I only tell gamers that it is better to buy games in a bundle. This is the result of my research.
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"just don't buy any games that are not in a bundle"
... that is not telling gamers it is better to buy games in a bundle... that is telling them not to support a developer for a game they directly enjoy
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you can always buy your favourite Humble Bundle for 500$ for BTA...
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That's the point. If one really wants to support a developer, they always have the freedom to give as much as they want. It's just that bundles usually contain more contents. In the case of Humble, bundles contain DRM free versions, sound tracks, etc.
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not the point im making, I am pointing out that he says "I only tell gamers that it is better to buy games in a bundle" after stating "just don't buy any games that are not in a bundle"... so he lied and I am calling him out on the lie
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I can read just fine, but you are obviously a bit pissed off that you aint getting the key here, because why else would you be telling us this? "Your research" is flawed. Not every game will end up in a bundle. It is impossible.
Here's the result of my research. If you see a game, and you think it looks good? Buy it, play it! Just because it might get bundled in the future, doesn't mean you shouldn't. And if you're pissed off about not having a game on Steam, as you seem to be? Then oh well, It's hardly stopping you from playing the game. It's helping you in fact. One less DRM for you to use.
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As I said, it was a hard lesson learned.
I was romantic about supporting the developer. And you are right. I didn't read the fine print. I was stupid.
So now I am warning gamers not to be too romantic about a game or a developer. You are just a number for them. They don't care how you feel. And in fact, when you pay $1 for a bundle of ten games, you don't care how they feel either, right?
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If you think Desura is good enough for a game and you like the game enough to buy it on Desura in the first place, why would you even need to have it on Steam? It's not like they take something away from you. You only have more it more centralized and can show it off perhaps as Steam has a larger 'social networking' thing going on.
In my opinion the whole greenlight and bundles and getting steamkeys afterwards is tilting a bit too much towards hoarding (which I plea guilty to as well) which might not really be a bad thing in itself, but a lot of people feel entitled to get games on Steam after getting it somewhere else. Instead of seeing it as a bonus if that happens.
TL;DR, if you would have bought the game without it being on steam and had a fun time playing it, I don't see any reason to be complaining.
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I think its like "the other guys will have that steam key now...so why i'm not having that?". If it's so i can understand you, OP, but you can't say to don't buy any games that isn't in a bundle. You can just say to distrust that Devs/Publisher.
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Hey Deiru. Ignore this thread and go back to me destroying your High Scores in Pinball FX2!!!
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You may have done your research this time, but your advice is "Do not buy games unless they are bundled."
Giving advice on something means that you already did all of the research and the people taking the advice don't need to do their own research because you already did it.
Deiru is saying that your research is not even close to substantial enough for you to be qualified to give the advice of "Do not buy games unless they are bundled."
No one could possibly do all the research required to confidently advise "Do not buy games unless they are bundled." Therefore, each individual cannot take that advice and must do their own research.
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how about no?
long version: unless desura (a completely separate company from steam which has their own service and are not affiliated or associated with steam), stated they would give you a steam key, they have no reason to. ofcourse from a bundle you do... the bundle gives android, mac, linux, DRM-free, desura, steam, u-play and EAOrigin keys... The only place to buy steam games - a service directly stating they are selling you a steam game)
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That's why I tell people to buy games in a bundle, as bundles contain both Desura and Steam keys, maybe even GOG, for a much lower price.
Don't get me wrong. I never say Desura should give Steam keys. Stop the assumption.
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assumption would be the lesson you learned from buying a desura key and expecting the steam key but not receiving it, therefore venting by making this post...
"A very hard lesson learned"... please provide the appropriate evidence for my assumption
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It is supposed that every customer of useless Desura version of a game (bundle or not) will support a game in Greenlight to be greenlit. But not of all them will get a Steam key. Fair? Maybe...
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Nope. You know what I mean :-/ (or at least what developers think about Desura vs Steam).
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Desura isn't useless. Else the devs wouldn't use it in the first place. Steam is an unfortunate monopoly though, and it's one that's going to be very hard to get rid of. Desura still has it's use, I use it regularly myself.
Quote from the developer of The Cat Lady, since that's the topic du jour.
"It takes 10 minutes to get your game on Desura, 11 months to get it on Steam. Remember that!"
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Do you think it's good or evil?
Like Google play apps vs Appstore apps.
Ppl love Google play for democracy, and Appstore for high quality.
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Nothing as absolute as that. Desura is what I would term as more "indie-friendly", than Steam. I know that a lot of games that got on Steam, wouldn't have got on there at all if it wasn't for publicity generated through Desura.
Steam on the other hand? They're trying to be indie-friendly. They just aint found a good way of doing it yet.
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People don't hate Desura, but love Steam much more...
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it would be his purchase, after all "A very hard lesson learned"...
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the source would be the fact he bought it and did not receive the steam key. that is a valid source (as i stated in an above post, i also agree that OP's point is stupid, but it is a first-hand investigation, which provides a secondary source).
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They have in fact mentioned that. Please do your research properly. Otherwise, it will just make you look stupid. $9.99 purchase at Desura will not give Steam keys. Only bundles will.
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I'm going to go with "not buying games except in a bundle" now, because most of the ones I bought individually ended up in a bundle soon after anyway...
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Im not saying you are right but i can't understand the devs either in this case.
why are they giving out steam keys to all 1$ buyers but not to the people who actually paid way more on Desura?
weird decision from them, normally you would think they give buyers who paid more first some keys and then maybe to bundle buyers, too.
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Thanks for explaining for me. It is exactly what I want to say. And I apologize for my ranting.
The Indiegamestand version has Desura key, GOG key and now Steam key. I was actually thinking about buying it again there but was stupid enough to assume that since a $1 purchase gave keys, my 4.99 should give as well. I was dead stupid big time.
That's why I am warning gamers not to be too romantic about a game or a developer.
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What? You willingly bought a game you CAN PLAY trough Desura, knowing there is no steam key for it, and you are indirectly bashing the developer for not releasing a steam key you DID NOT BUY?
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Sorry for forcing you to read something you didn't want to read. Or did I?
And in fact I won't play the Desura version, I am asking Desura to revoke it from my account. In case people may make wrong stupid assumption again, I do not ask for any refund.
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Really getting old, that people who were too dumb to first research, or atleast CARE a bit about what they buy, then come back to forums and start giving advice ...
"Omg the trailer looks so good, but the game's graphics are shitty, omg I give 50$ for nothing"
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The irony is that people are insistent about getting Steam keys, seeing at as added value. Instead of, you know, getting the game without DRM. I bought my copy of TCL on GOG when it was on sale. I probably paid more than the people who got it in a bundle, and I'm not getting a Steam key. If I had to give advice based on this experience, however, it would be "buy from GOG and support DRM-free games", not "buy only from bundles". Different strokes, I suppose.
There is indeed something wrong, and that is that we don't have an open alternative to Steam for giving you all the goodies you want from it (friends, achievements, cards and whatnot) without the DRM. I'm not sure if such a thing is even possible (and it certainly isn't economically viable with Steam already existing) but that would be the only way of solving the "y u no give steam key" complaints.
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Raptr and Evolve both do most of this with your games, and don't sell any themselves.
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I've heard of Raptr but never looked into it deeply. Thanks for the info!
If that's the case, though, I basically don't see why you should care about Steam keys at all if you already got the game DRM-free.
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The Indiegamestand $1 sale gave Desura, GOG and Steam keys.
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Steam is convenient. I often install DRM-free, but for example last time I downloaded DRM-free from Groupees the downloaded file was broken. I activated the Steam key and downloaded from that. It's also more convenient that you don't have to run through an installation process. Not a big issue, but it IS added value. DRM-free is also added value. It works both ways.
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No installation process? What do you think that annoying little box that says "Installing DirectX" is when you're launching a game? :-)
But yes, I do see the added value in Steam -- I use it myself, after all. That's why I said that if we could have Steam, but without the DRM part (where publishers can dictate what you can and can't do with your games) that'd be even better. Automatic updates, downloads, easy installs and all that do not require DRM.
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I meant "no manual installation process" of course. That is, you have fewer steps between getting the game and being able to run it.
As for DRM, Steam doesn't force DRM. It just encourages developers to use Steam features, which requires running Steam in the background, and it provides a DRM component for those who want it. It's perfectly possible (and occasionally done) to have games on Steam that don't require Steam to be running (or exist in the system) in order to run. If you want automatic updates you need to have something running in the background anyway.
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I think Steam is also added value, because of the reasons you mentioned as "goodies" plus cloud saves, automatic updates, and so on. This doesn't mean Steam doesn't subtract value as well, in terms of DRM.
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If you don't like it that way, buy consoles and console games. Most of the time the only bundles you encounter there are the "buy X games and get additional Y games on top of that for free". And the games are usually locked to the system you bought 'em for, sometimes even down to the individual unit.
Another advise could be: always buy the game of the year edition instead. Or whatever they name the full package of the game including all additional content once sold on its own.
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I agree but not for the same reason.
How many times did I buy a game, not play it and see it in a bundle later ? That's why now I only buy no bundle games when I intend to play them right now
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I read most of the thread and the devs posts, but I still don't understand why they can/would/will provide keys to Groupees buyers, but not for direct Desura purchases, since Desura makes it easy to distribute Steam keys.
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Another case of not reading before purchasing. It says right in there website - DRM free.
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What's your fucking problem dude :D
Your threads are always pathetically hilarious.
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Wow I am building a fan base, though in a negative way.
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It is confirmed that The Cat Lady directly purchased from Desura at full price will NOT give Steam key.
Bundle buyers, however, will soon receive the Steam key.
A very hard lesson learned. Fellow gamers, from now on, just don't buy any games that are not in a bundle.
Supporting a developer? That's too romantic. When it comes to business, customers are just a number.
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