Ideally should you Split Two of the same game into 2 give aways?
I think it's easier, for logistic purposes, to make one giveaway with two copies.
At the end, your giveaway, your rules. Whatever you prefer
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The entries should be the same, if you give one or two copies.
So hard decission.
2 GA's would be against the autojoiners -they loose 50p that they can't spend somewhere else-
1 GA would be better for the real users.
I think i would do 2 GA's because the really interested real users will invest the 2x 50p and the autojoiners loose, as a nice extra, 2x 50 p (instead of only 1x).
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Well, since I am constantly drowning in points I would choose make 2 of them so less people can enter both, but that's just selfish little me talking :P
Anyway, I think if I had 1 game multiple times I would just make 1 giveaway for it and be done, guess it depends what you prefer.
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It's not selfish at all. The fact that you have extra points means that you are not just spending all the points you get on anything you can to get a +1 on Steam :)
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Yeah I only join what I really think I would like, I did screw up a few times but try to be picky, I could care less about a +1 or the thrill of winning, I care for winning something I would enjoy!
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I have 20,504 games have been added to your filter list here, but yes I see them all, though I have a script that shows a red X behind a name I have ignored on Steam so I can easily ignore them here as well without having to check every time.
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Lol, I thought I was doing well at 7550... seems like I am just an amateur 'filterer'
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Yeah I am a bit weird I guess :P
To bad it also means I hardly see any giveaways but oh well, better to see none then games I don't want anyway ^^
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Wow, that's a lot. I have never used that feature on Steam, but my blocked list here is currently up to 19,500.
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At first I never did either but my memory sucks so I kept checking out the same games so I decided that if I really decide no, to ignore them and well, 1 thing led to another ;)
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There are a lot of people on this site to just win as many games as they can and they don't care what they win, they just want the +1 on their Steam account with no intention of ever playing the games. This is unfortunate for the people that only enter for games they are interested in playing because they often are not spending all their points and therefore are winning less than the people that just dump all their points into anything they can.
Because of this, I think it is better to separate them into multiple giveaways. This causes users to have to spend more points which means the ones who spend all their points will need to think about what they are entering and hopefully enter for games they are interested in, while the ones who don't spend all their points will have more available to enter multiple giveaways for the games they want. This will slightly help the users that only enter for games they are interested in.
With that said, as far as I know, there is no etiquette about which way you do it. I have never seen anyone complain either way.
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One reason to make separate giveaways would be if you think there is a possibility you might need to delete a giveaway (e.g. old keys). It's quick to delete a single giveaway (circa 1 day turnaround), but deleting from a multi-giveaway requires a high-level mod to do (many months turnaround).
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One GA with 2 copies : each entrant has 1 chance to win, so with 500 entries each one has 1/500 chance to win
Two GA with 1 copy : each entrant has 2 chances to win, so with 500 entries each GA, each entrant has 2/500 chances to win.
Thus I'm voting Yes, because doing 2 GA gives each entrant a better chance to win (even if you're gifting the same 2 keys in the end)
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Actually, using statistics math, here are the probabilities:
One GA with 2 copies: 1/500 + 1/499 = 0.4004% (The first is the chance of winning the first copy, the second is the chance of winning the second copy after removing the first winner from the contestant pool)
Two GA with 1 copy: 1/500 + 1/500 - 1/250000 = 0.3996% (Two GAs with independent probabilities which are not mutually exclusive)
The difference is extremely negligible for high numbers of entrants, but becomes more stark with less entrants (relatively). Example with 50 entrants:
One GA with 2 copies: 1/50 + 1/49 = 4.0408%
Two GA with 1 copy: 1/50 + 1/50 - 1/2500 = 3.96%
Due to this minor difference, the ultimate decision seems to be do you want entrants to have a slightly better chance of winning, or use the trade-off of a minor lower win chance for more points spent as a bot deterrent?
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Please accept my apologies, I was using the "mad face" smiley because of my ill-minded maths of yesterday 😁
But what about those maths of today :
One GA with 2 copies, 500 entries : there is 2 different winners, and 498 "chances" to loose it, so 498/500 to loose and 2/500 to win, that's 0,4% exactly
Saying "2/500 chances to win" means winning once is enough to win it, you can ignore the "removing of the 1st winner from the pool". Or in other words, the 2 draws you're talking about are not independent draws and can be seen as a single "composed" draw. The technical implementation of the draw (using a pool with removal of the 1st winner, or drawing both then drawing again if same, etc.) shall change the outcome of the draw (not the same winners), but provided the draw is fairly implemented (good random algo), the probabilities remains the same whatever is the chosen method because a probability is a statistic computed over an infinite number of draws (so individual outcomes are not important in the computation of the probability).
In your computation of 1/500 + 1/499 = 0.4004%, the "chances" to loose would be 499/500 + 498/499, which is over 1 (near 2), which is false since prob to win plus prob to loose must be equal to 1 in the usual space-time continuum we're living into (quantum probabilities may be different, your mileage may vary when using "increase chances" spells, etc....)
Two GA with 1 copy each, 500 entries each : the 500 entries may be different people. This is what makes the 2 draws independent, so we have to compute chances for each independently. One must ignore the fact the winner of the 1st will be removed from the entries from the 2nd by the site mechanics because you have no way to know if the said winner entered both GA or only one. It can be computed this way :
There is 499 "chances" to loose each one : so overall "chances" to loose both are 499/500 × 499/500 = 0,996004 (99,6004 %)
Overall chances to win both are 1/500 × 1/500 = 0,000004 (0,0004%) => in this situation the auto-removal happens
Thus chances to win at least one of the two without winning both are 1 - 0,996004 - 0,000004 = 0,003992 (0,3992%)
...so... are my maths of today ill like my maths of yesterday or not ? 😂😁🤪🤪🤪
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If you make two giveaways and the same 500 people enter, they will also have 1/500 + 1/500 = 2/500 chance.
But if 100 of them decides that they only enter one because they want other games more, then the chances are 1/500 + 1/400 ;)
people have limited points to spend on giveaways, and if they have to prioritize, it's inevitable to have lower entry numbers.
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You can hide a second giveaway inside the first giveaway, that's always fun - for science!
There are several ways to do this - the more copies you have, the deeper it goes! And each giveaway gets fewer entrants.
Start with a public giveaway, put a link to a second (private) giveaway in the description, then put the giveaway code without a link to a third (also private) giveaway in the second giveaway description...
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Always fully in support of this idea.
The second giveaway usually has about 10-15% of the entries of the public giveaway. Kinda exposes how few people are not using auto-joiners and bother even glancing at the description every time. >.<
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Because last time some of us suggested it, everyone else immediately protested against the idea. :|
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One GA if you want to get rid of the games, two GA if you want people to enter who take it seriously. In the second case they need the 50P entry fee each time, making it a more meaningful choice about what to spend on the said points.
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I'm going to agree with a few other comments here that creating separate GAs for each copy would require people to spend more points, which is beneficial if you want any chance of possibly separating the slightly more serious winners from the ones who simply want a +1 for their library.
All that said, if I were to post a multi-copy giveaway, I would put in the description where each copy was obtained from just as a courtesy. If the keys come from non-bundle sources, people deserve to know that in gauging their likelyhood or risk of a key not activating. The more copies someone is giving away, the more suspicious I am going to think the giveaway is unless I am familiar with the gifter or I know that they are a dev.
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I have the habit of making several GAs of the same game at same time, and I divide public GAs by level. For example: one GA for level 2 and one for level 4. So, higher level users (who have already contributed more to this community) are also more likely to win (level 2 and 3, in this example, only have one chance, but level 4+ have two).
The Gainja tip is great. I've already done a GA hidden in another one and I was surprised with the result. : |
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I am not sure what the expected etiquette is on Steam Gifts when giving away multiples of the same game. Lets say I have two 50p games (not dozens), would it be best to split it into two give aways to to maybe reduce the amount of people entering both... or put them both in one give away to give more entries twice the chance of winning.
I assume there is no hard and fast rule as you are the one giving away the games, but I was curious on what the community would think is the best approach.
Cheers
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