Yeah, this is a valid point. "We shouldn't permaban people" and "We shouldn't permaban people for unsent games" are two very different opinions, the latter of which is a lot more relevant to this topic but isn't included.
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I'm thinking these two either need to stop triggering each other, or get a room :P
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I actually found it to be an interesting discussion without too much, or maybe rather less than the normal amount, of conjecture and personal attacks. In all relatively decent :P
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i know/agree, it was merely my attempt at keeping things lighthearted was all. ^^
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There is a difference in not sending games to intentionally doing so while promoting yourself.
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It's not like that's the only possible option, is it? First we have to acknowledge that a problem indeed exists.
He suggested a solution which obviously is flawed. Instead of acknowledging that he has a valid point you instantly turn down everything he previously said. If you have a better solution, you are free to state it :)
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I am not talking about fake giveaways in general, but about those that are done in order to self promote whether that is a Steam Group, a Twitch Channel etc.
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I'll have to disagree. I don't like people taking advantage of certain situations, which in these case these people do. I don't see a way of implementing a solution which won't backfire to those people who really didn't mean to not deliver the game, yet I'd like to see the matter be addressed (which, to be honest, is a minor problem at the moment).
I have no idea whether it does or not.
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I'll be honest, I didn't even remember there was a suspension time for fake GAs.
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I may sound like an asshole from time to time, but that's just me being passive-aggressive :D
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And the opposite of kudos for you by trying to bully other members of this site into your way of thinking.
Apparently you have a strong opinion on this topic - and just as you are entitled to your opinion, other members are entitled to theirs without any justification that meets your personal requirements.
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Your huff and puff on this thread are inexcusable.
You bullied tristea above for like 7 comments, then again here, more lower, all over this thread.
So no, I don't believe I will be excusing you.
And I could care less if you have me on a black list... you clearly (which is easily seen all over this thread) are a complete d-bag.
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There is no outcome here where you don't look like a d-bag. Everyone can see plain as day on all of your posts in this thread. I am not trolling anything... everyone can see that.
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Nobody forced him to respond, your complete dismissal of his opinion - because it did not align with your own - is what forced him to respond. You bullied his opinion through dismissal which he then had to defend to come arbitrary standard that you set through dismissal - which is exactly what you are doing here and do below. Everyone can see that. Your infantile attitude does not make that bullshit, and you continue to demonstrate your d-bagginess, so well done on that.
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Did you forget your insinuation where you wrote "But you tried to discuss it with me instead of just writing a sarcastic response."
Calm my tits?
Yeah, you're a real winner pal...
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You remember where you said "Considering this is the Steamgifts forum, where people take every single word as it's written."
That means you don't get the option to go back and provide context to your comment - since you didn't provide that to Tristea.
We can leave in peace so long as you get the last word in that what I said was "bullshit" even when it's not? Yeah ok pal... maybe you need to "calm your tits".
I accused you of doing exactly what you were doing - period. If you don't like the truth, that's your own damn problem. I have every right to be offended by your interactions with other members, this is a public forum and not your mothers basement.
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And ignoring everything I said that contradicts everything you said. The proof is in your posts.
If you need to get the final word in, keep on posting, I don't mind.
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I'm going to try to not get into this debate since I am not really interested in the outcome, but I am going to say this... You and the people you argued with were both in the wrong at points. You belittled the other person's (Tristea's) opinion and they said something about common sense that was obviously aimed at you. Your responses were not any more mature or level-headed than there responses were though since you did make a response that generalized steamgift forum users as the type who "take every single word as it's written". I'm not sure what you meant by that, but it could possibly be seen as you saying that steamgifters are too dumb to see the hidden connotation of a string of words.
As for the original post, I feel like the OP was just trying to bring about awareness for an issue that exists in our community. Sure there are already rules that already handle fake giveaways, but rules mean nothing if they aren't enforced. I have seen users who created fake giveaways not get suspended or receive any other type of punishment for their behavior. This is probably just because support has a lot on their plate and can not really fully investigate every single ticket that people fill out.
Also, your original comment dismissed the entire post and really hijacked this thread. That kind of sucks
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Actually, it's not that I don't see the rules being enforced, it's that I know the rules are not being enforced. I know this because there is a user who I reported two years ago and to this day, my ticket is yet to be resolved. SG support is really slow and that's how I know that these "rules" often get broken without any real consequences.
And by saying he was just "running around in circles with his words", to me, it comes across as belittling. I'll admit that he did not handle the situation in the best way possible, but you also should admit that you handled it rather badly as well.
As for the poll, I will say that I understood what it meant pretty much right away and I am sure you did too. Everyone who read the entire post had context and therefore should have been able to figure out what it meant. Especially since the rest of the poll answers specifically mention unsent games.
And looking at your first post.... you didn't really give the OP your opinion, you just stated that the poll was incorrect. And then you started this whole thing by making a somewhat hostile post, telling them to "take your sarcasm and put it somewhere dark" after the OP was (understandably) annoyed by the first post being a person who was just trying to find grammatical flaws rather than provide decent feedback. Maybe you thought you were making it clear what your opinion was in that first post, but from an outsider's perspective, it simply looked like you dismissing a person's opinion because you believed that their poll was grammatically flawed.
Now I don't really want to argue, so I probably won't respond again. I am sure you weren't trying to be a dick or anything and that you honestly had good intentions in mind, but the way you handled this situation could have been much better and I honestly just feel bad for the OP.
Have a good day everyone! :D
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Alright, if you think it's a douche move... sorry. I only said it because I have been too tired lately to get into anything right now. And I wasn't saying that you were a bad person or anything, just that things like tone seem to get lost over the internet. I honestly thought that you were probably trying to make a joke or something but you just wrote it in the wrong way.
And I realized that was your opinion... just the fact is that the way you wrote it could make a few people think you were just being nitpicky.
Anyway sorry, I don't even know why I tried to say anything... nothing matters anyway.
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For what it's worth, it does mean wasting some of your points that could have gone to a real giveaway. Of course this site is pretty darn generous with points, so I'm not saying that's a huge issue, but the duped users aren't COMPLETELY at a loss. The other problem is that, if the issue remains unaddressed, the quantity of fake giveaways used as a tactic for things like advertising/publicity could rise as more people become aware of the loophole. Still, I do take your point that, at least as it is, it's not a huge deal, and that there may be better solutions than a flat "ban after X" rule.
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I dislike spoilers too, but suspending users for 2 days because of that seems a bit excessive to me. I think that avoiding spoilers is oneselves responsibility.
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I guess not for spoilers like telling the plot twist in Sixth Sense or the connection between Luke Skywalker and Vader in a normal discussion, but like making a topic titles "in Series XY Z dies in last episode" or such - in my book it would clearly fall under the inappropiate behaviour because it just wants to cause harm, and the rules' wording makes this even more clear by simply saying spoilers :)
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I like how nobody wants to spoil the Sixth Sense's Finale, but like-everyone is spoiling the middle of the movie. Because first half of a movie are about some kid with some problems and there is a big reveal why he has those problems, but if you'd ask "hey, is 6S a good movie" everyone will tell you "oh, the one about kid seeing ghosts, yeah, you need to see the ending".
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I think it's a good example because old, and while interesting, kind of skippable movie. But you're right, instead of spoiling the twist, they do a spolier about a main theme that supposed to be known at a certain point :D
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Yeah, well, in the end they beat Sauron.
I understand there are threads like "Season Finale - omg, what a ride (spoilers!!!)" and if you spoil there, especially when using spoiler-curtaian, then everything is right and no punishment will happen, but you never know if next "you have new comment" won't turn out to be a drive-by spoiler. - and for those random spoilers, 2 days seems not enough.
Imagine a thread "what game you started playing lately" and someone went on rampage and wrote a spoiler as answer to every comment...
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i think that may only pertain to spoilers that don't actually utilize the spoiler formatting. but i'm pretty sure it's a case by case thing that's rarely every used.
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Title: "Come ride my train! Level 2+. SGTools protected."
Description: "Your 'insert name of your favorite character from your favorite video game that you haven't finished yet here' dies at the end. Suck it!"
I'd be killing me a mofo. Two days isn't enough!
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i don't think support will tell you the reason for the ban, but it sounds to me like they're on one of their last strikes for "fake giveaways" and that's what nikolaj meant by "like they always did".
just a random guess here but it's probably something like first offense 5days, 2nd is 10days, 3rd is 20days, and they're probably on their 4th fake giveaway suspension atm at 30days (or something along those lines). i doubt they'll get much more chances as it is, and it's practically the same thing you are asking for except it's filed under "fake giveaways" instead. xD
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Three to five sounds like a fair amount. Learn from the first, you should know by the second, this is ridiculous by the third.
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Probably 3-5 such instances (unless it looks like they're trying to scam on SteamTrades) although if they bought something in a batch and it didn't work out I wouldn't count those individually.
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I don't think you should say "after 5 (or any other number) unsent games" there should be a permaban.
For example:
I buy a couple of bundles with my CC and due to reasons outside my controll there is a refund. Now I gave all those games away here and now they are "not received". Of course I can try to trade for the games or buy them in store, but probably that would be a major investment additional to the money spend in the first place (even if this money is refunded at some point). Such a case should be one offense and not lead to an immediat permanent suspension. A prolonged suspension is fine imo, if the winners do not agree to delete the GAs.
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Agreed. It should really be decided on a case to case basis. If someone intentionally puts out fake GAs (for example 20 AAA games and not sending a single one) it should be earlier then when it could just be a mistake or other issue outside of the creators control.
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i don't think they should be perma-banned unless it is apparent they did it on purpose. even this user you speak of may want to give you your gift, but since they are suspended they simply can't.
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well as long as it doesn't look accidental then yeah i don't see them sticking around much longer.. i just mean in most general cases i don't think there should be a rule in place against "not received" however this already falls under "fake giveaways".. xD
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19 unsent out of 2k giveaways? its just one percent... so 99% are sent or waiting for feedback. and as some people are very lazy, you cant judge the creator for "awaiting feedback"...
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Yeah I think percentage is good way to 'grade', there's a difference between 1000 giveaways and 2 unsent, and 3 giveaways and 3 unsent :p
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Percentage doesn't work on its own, either, as the rumored abuses on G2A (of users maintaining high review percentages and then purportedly deliberately sending out fake keys, without fear of reprisal [due to their high review standing]) indicate. Even if the G2A situation has been overblown, the scenario presented there does indicate why percentage could still be abusable here, as well.
Or, for a similar perspective, take a user who has given away 5,000RealCV and won 10,000. Are they- with their .5 ratio- more or less of a leech than the user with .25 ratio, at 200RealCV sent and 800RealCV won?
Simply put, percentages don't work well as absolutes whereever larger numbers are involved.
In fact, any raw numerical evaluation doesn't really apply well to this specific matter. With one (hopefully soon to be resolved) exception, all 4 remaining Not Receiveds on my giveaways have been the sole fault of the (site exploiting) winners involved. While I'd currently presumably meet any percentage-based evaluation, the stricter options in the poll above would have me removed from the site due to the actions of other users. Likewise, that number'd reflect more poorly on a newer user with fewer giveaways made, and be grounds for ejecting them by percentage. In fact, even a single giveaway could be grounds for ejection by percentage- 50% not-received seems a high rate, until you factor in someone who has only sent 2 games in total.
Regardless of which approach is used, and even where someone isn't ejected, no GA creator should be held accountable for abusive winners or other factors they have limited control over.
Staff manually evaluating each user's circumstances may perhaps be something which is clumsily handled at times, in a way which lets some abusers slip through the cracks- but even if that's true, "abuse" in this matter has no real impact on the site. Even someone who rampantly spams fake giveaways does nothing but cost some entrants some points and cause some annoyance to would-be-winners.
While the fake promotions indicated by the OP's example are an especially distasteful presentation of that, it's still nothing more than a passing irritation (though from the sounds of it, this particular user may be worth receiving a more critical consideration from staff). So long as staff is willing to address things by a case-by-case basis, and give benefit of the doubt to situations that merit it, we avoid applying punishment where it isn't earned. Given the lack of notable negative impact of the matter, that's more beneficial toward the site than being more strict and narrow-minded about such things.
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But all his giveaways that are not fake are private and those that fake are lvl 1 and with advertising stuff inside tho
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I think it would be better by percentage, like if over 50% of their giveaways are unsent. It wouldn't do much to an average user who had a few bad keys, but will immediately take care of the trolls who just do a handful of fake giveaways on purpose.
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But what if they give away 10k penny bundle games with 100% send rate and make a few fake AAA every once in a while with 0% send rate, the percentage wouldn't matter much then.
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To add to Jaxed's point, see my comment just above. :)
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couldnt it be that the user was banned before giveaways ended? if a week passed people just mark not received
i recently won a multi copy giveaway where user was suspended for 1 or 2 weeks, and after a while you could see a lot of people marked not received
some people just cant check and wait it out..
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As others already said, a percentage would be a better option. It can happen to anyone even multiple times. However, it's indeed annoying seeing these people self promote themselves like that and not delivering the games.
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I gave one guy not recieved. It was unfortunate, but there was an error on steam that when I tried to recieve the game, the game no longer was "avaiable" - but the guy also no longer had the copy. To this day I don't know what happened.
While I would love to give him "recieved" for having good intention and this being a steam problem, if I did, I would be banned myself for not activating the game, so I marked it as not recieved.
There was another situation where I won the same DLC twice (humble bundle sale, million of giveaways). I asked both for a reroll but neither said they could because I was evidently their 5th-6th reroll. Truth to be told, i just didn't want that hanging number 2 hanging on my winning so after two weeks of neither rerolling, I marked them as recieved and moved on - but that got me banned (well, no surprise there). After discussing the situation with the mod, he literally told me to mark one of the giveaways as not recieved. Thankfully, this story had a happy ending as the moderator simply removed my entry (that was a giveaway for 10 copies, he changed it into 9 copy giveaway).
So sometimes not recieved might be related to something else.
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That's indeed possible. But I'm pretty sure that there is not much difference in having a not-received or a delete GA (not 100% sure though).
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it was another situation of multiple copies of same game. As such, if he deleted the whole giveaway, he would not recieve points for the ones that went through without a problem. At the time though, i didn't know the moderator could remove one entry.
I left the giveaway with no change up to 2 weeks hoping for a change (steam support answer, the giveaway creator decision) but after two weeks, I decided to put the not recieved. We have not communicated since.
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Sometimes stuff happens, duplicate keys, etc. I always do my best to fix it; trading for another key, seeing if the winner will agree to remove the giveaway, or buying the game again if worst comes to worst.
If the game was no longer available though, wouldn't it be best for both of you to agree to delete the giveaway?
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I'm putting "Should not permaban" just because the idea of banning after a certain NUMBER is a little ridiculous. It's kind of like sellers on sites like Ebay, Amazon, and G2A. Who do you trust more?
Someone who has sold 10 things with 5 negative feedback?
Or someone who has sold 1000 with 10 negative feedback?
Number has nothing to do with it. A ratio would be better. And it shouldn't be anything concrete either. Y'know. Maybe we have a ban system in place after 3 games not delivered. Someone really hates you. You make a bundle train. He convinces some of your winners to mark "Not Received" and now you're banned. GG.
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that is a terrible analogy since negative feedback could be for a million reasons and specific to 'the guy never sent me the item I won'.
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It wasn't an analogy...
And what would a reason for negative feedback being left affect in a perma-ban after a specific number of negative feedback system? Numbers don't care about reason.
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ok well bad comparative... since negative feedback on ebay could be 'they shipped me the wrong item' or 'shipped me the wrong size item' or 'shipped me the wrong color item' w/e.
I was neither agreeing or disagreeing with anything else in your posting - just the comparison ;)
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I really do fail to see how the reason left matters. On steamtrades for example if you have negative rep most don't even read why it's there they just see it and refuse to trade with you. I've never met anyone that cares why it's there. They just care if it's there or not.
No matter what I choose to use an the example, it doesn't really change human nature. And if you find someone with 5 negative feedback out of 10 total compared to someone with 10 negative out of 1000 total, both selling the same item? It's likely you're gonna buy from the latter. I don't see how that's a bad example. That just seems natural to me.
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I know who you are talking about. I decided not to enter one of the giveaways a few days ago because I noticed they had a particular habit with highly desired games. And that was before the suspension.
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No to everything listed.
And you left out the one option I would have chosen - Let support determine what should be done. This should be handled on a case-by-case basis by support, as any perma-ban should be, and not determined by a percentage or number. There are far too many things that would happen that make a % or # infeasible for every case.
- Relatively new user makes 10 giveaways - gets bad keys and 5 are not received.
- User with 15000 giveaways makes a 1000 key giveaway, multi-winners mark 50 not received.
- Users mark games not received to pass SGTools checks.
And I could go on ....
TLDR: Leave the perma-bans to support and not to percentages or numbers.
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Aren't all bans issued by support anyway? Are there any automated ones?
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No there aren't any automated ones, but suggesting that a user be perma-ed for a set % or set # of not received giveaways is akin to "automating" things imho, and I'm opposed to that due to varying circumstances from user to user.
To reiterate - I'd rather things be handled by support on a case-by-case basis, regardless of #'s and %.
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They can be handled by them, just the number or % can be a threshold after which Support decides.
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There is no single threshold that can apply equally in every case - that was my entire point.
Scenario 1 -. assuming 10% threshold - level 2 user with 10 giveaways would be allowed 1 not received before perma-ban and a level 10 with 10,000 giveaways is allowed 1000 before perma-ban?
Scenario 2 - assuming an arbitrary number (such as 10) not received. That same level 2 user could have all 10 giveaways marked not received before perma'd, and that same level 10 user with 10,000 giveaways gets perma'd for 10 marked not received?
Circumstances and numbers are different for most users, so an arbitrary number or percentage won't work, except as a possible flag for support to investigate.
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People are coming here and giving stuff for free.
If you won and don't get your gift, sure that is not a nice thing. But you can't calculate generosity. Nobody is forced to gift and you can't expect it.
Should somebody be banned for gifting, even if he made mistakes, like gifting the wrong game etc. ? He would be treated worse than a level 0 member of this community. You should only win on this site not lose. I would be very careful with bans.
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a lot of the "Not received" come from public self promotion giveaways for games like Fallout 4, Doom, Firewatch, CIV VI and Dishonored 2.
I would open a support ticket because it should not be allowed to publish fake giveaways using AAA titles as clickbait for promotional purposes. In this particular case I think he deserves a permaban.
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Fun part that thing he was advertising on steam got banned on steam yet nobody cares on sg lol
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Well, I've just checked and he is not community banned on Steam, his profile looks clean in Steamrep.
By the way, why did you blacklist me? I have no problem with that but I would like to know the reason if you don't mind.
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his profile looks clean in Steamrep.
items he were advertising were banned out of steam, read his descriptions.
why did you blacklist me?
Most likely you blacklisted me, and i blacklisted you back idk, it was a year ago
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Most likely you blacklisted me, and i blacklisted you back idk, it was a year ago
You are not in my blacklist so it would be for another reason, thanks anyway.
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It was a year ago, you could unblacklist me among that time
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I use a tab in my Steam's excel spreadsheet to write the reason for each of my few blacklisted members. You are not on that list so if you were blacklisted in the past it was definitely an error on my part. In any case I whitelisted you.
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Unless there is malicious intend or foul play at hand, I see no reason the permanently suspend users for not sending games. I've known people who were constantly giving away games and at some point they encountered some trouble which made it impossible to access Steamgifts or to buy/send gifts/keys. And then there's the possibility of someone being suspended for a week and therefore unable to send winners their prizes. Should these users be punished unjustly?
Another point is that it does not make sense to suspend based on a fixed number of not received gifts, as someone could have given away 5,000 games and had 5 unsent for reasons unknown, while some other user could have 5 of 10 unsent (that's 50% over 0.5%).
Personally, I think that suspicious users should be reported for investigation. Support will look into your concerns and handle it appropriately.
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Wow, that is good information to know. In this particular case one month probably is not a long enough suspension. I don't think permanent suspensions should be given for undelivered wins, but his person abused the system to the extreme. In my mind there is a difference between someone who wants to uphold their principles and refusing to deliver to someone that violates the rules (though there other options they need to pursue) and someone that creates multiple fraudulent giveaways in an attempt to gain something from a promotion on another site. The former should get a slap on the wrist and the later should be kicked out.
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I mean.. if someone is making fake giveaways, yes permaban.
But I'm sure there would be a valid reason out there to NOT send a gift to a winner, even if it doesn't qualify in steamgifts policy for a reroll.
For instance maybe hitler entered and won, I don't see any policy against hitler in the rules so you are supposed to send him the game.
But would you?
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if you were following the rules as stipulated, yes you would send the game to Hitler.
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Also if you keep him busy enough with games maybe he won't have time to do real-life war 🙃👀
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If you didn't want Hitler to enter your giveaway you should have blacklisted him.
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I don't understand why some users here feel it is acceptable to pick and choose which rules of the site each individual user abides by. If you create a giveaway, the rule is obviously you provide the giveaway... you don't get to decide 'oh well... i just changed my mind on that one there buddy'.
If you have a history of breaking the rules, or the terms of use of the site, then you should be permabanned - regardless of what the infraction is. When you refuse to take action you send a very clear message to everyone who does follow the rules... that you are only doing so because you chose so. That is ridiculous.
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it's funny how everyone agrees with banning people after X unsent games, but i'm sure if i post the name of someone pretty popular that has done this several times (and keeps doing and supporting it), you will make an exception to the rule and prevent his account getting banned.
#sgHypocritesUnited
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I can think of several users off the top of my head, but there's a difference between not sending it because of personal principles and never having the intention to send it out in the first place because you're using it to advertise. The former you do not receive personal gain (other than a justice boner?), the latter you do
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it's the same for me, the result is that game remains unsent and it's against the rules.
just like someone not activating a win because they planned ahead to trade it, and someone that didn't know about the rules or doesn't care about it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Since you only have 3 slots after simply registering anyway, people with merely such intents relatively quickly and easy take care of themselves IMO. Obviously there'll be some that try to avoid getting caught in the net, but as I witnessed in my short time on SG they get taken care of pretty swift and on the low by support... in the end such marketing strategies mostly backfire anyhow since they will only get downvoted on YT or Greenlight for example (at least that's what I'm telling myself ;D), so let them, they won't last anyways - here and there :>. I think the current solution is the best one for SG, any other'd would probably require hiring more staff on a 24/7 basis... doesn't mean it isn't sometimes annoying, especially for those rejoicing over winning GTA V to later realize they've been had ;s.
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Oh i remember that guy you are talking about, he is only giving away all his 1 cents keys in private, and making 60$ giveaways in public over and over again with advertising links inside, while never sending the actually gifts lmao, yet no ban at him, while most of the people getting permabans for 1 or 2 giveaways like this.
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while most of the people getting permabans for 1 or 2 giveaways like this.
I've only seen users be given the usual suspension length in recent memory.
Edit: I checked your profile, you've been here for a long while. SGv1 in its early stage was a lot harsher in terms of fake giveaways and yes, people were given permanent suspensions for fake giveaways. I viewed it as being necessary for the establishment of the site. Remember, SG used to be invite only to help establish a quality userbase. But SGv2 is more forgiving now that it's clear that the site won't die off.
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Problem is not fake giveaway but that he is advertising some clickbait stuff he needs clicks on, while those giveaways are fake, and he is doing that on purpose, its a big difference from a person that creates giveaway for GTA V and puts in descriptions that the key is for woodle tree
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GTA V and puts in descriptions that the key is for woodle tree
I think that would be classified under "Misleading Giveaways", not fake. Although I'm not sure what the distinction is.
In that vein:
There was a user that wanted to stir up trouble in the forums (and was successful, might I add). They created a fake AAA giveaway to advertise a certain Steam group in the description. They were not permanently suspended, but they were punished for their antics.
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permabanned
You meant permasuspended, I believe. Permanent suspensions can generally be removed if the user can manage to resolve the issues which got them suspended in the first place. Bans are applied when a permasuspended user harasses support, and revokes support ticket access permissions for the user- thus removing any chance of them returning to the site.
The implication of your thread becomes a bit more extreme if you use ban instead of suspend, is my point- so I'm reading this thread wondering how many people are simply following your lead on phrasing, and how many are actually really intense about their views on the subject. :P
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