It's done!

I just ordered exactly this:

XFX Radeon R9 380X R9-380X-4285 4GB 256-Bit DDR5 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support DD BLACK EDITION OC Video Card

Thank you all for the recommendations, I really appreciate everyone's help. I'm so fucking hyped to dump my HD6450 after all these years. :D

Obligatory "thank you" giveaway


So, things are finally looking up after months of financial "bullshit". I can finally afford to get a GPU upgrade, but I'm not really "with it" when it comes to graphic cards (I mean come on, I'm still with an HD6450). I know that I can count on you guys to find some good stuff which I can then compare, examine, and consider.

Here are the important things and stuff:

  • Budget: $350 CND (Approximately: $240 USD, 220€, 170£)
  • Price doesn't have to include taxes - I got this covered.
  • Item must be purchasable from Canada
  • Current CPU: Intel Quad Core 750 @2.67 GHz (not exactly the best around, but please keep in mind that I always plan in advance for possible upgrades, so even if the GPU overpowers the CPU, I don't mind. I just have no idea if a CPU can be "incompatible" or whatever, so here it is.)
  • I'd rather go with Nvidia because of the recent graphics and drivers issue with AMD, but then again I'm still not sure what's best.
  • I have a 700W PSU, so that should be ample enough.

Go wild Suggest away! I'm not gonna lie; I barely know anything about GPUs so I'm leaving this to the "experts". Go easy on me and explain stuff like I'm three years old.

8 years ago*

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Will you change the cpu soon ?

8 years ago
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I have no idea. Kinda depends both on what you consider "soon" and my finances in the future, but to be safe, I'd say that no. Not very soon.

8 years ago
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Then I don't know if it's worth to buy an high level gpu like a 970, you'll be penalized by the cpu anyway.
You would pay a lot for something you can't use. Maybe it's better buy something in the mid range and in the future sell it and buy a new gpu...
Dunno :\

8 years ago
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True, true. I mean, my budget is $350, but I should have specified that I didn't mean I needed to pay $350. :P

8 years ago
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I have an i5 750 with a gtx 970 and I don't have many problems at all. My CPU is OC @ 3.2ghz

Fallout 4 ran fine, 45+fps at first, but got pretty crappy (20fps) in the city on max settings... so I just lowered some draw distance settings and back to normal :)

although the 970 is out of his price range, I got mine on sale for $300 US a while back

8 years ago
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a 970 should destroy every game, you could get the same result with a cheaper gpu, so if you are not planning to change the cpu soon, imho it's a bit wasted

anyway nice deal :3

8 years ago
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I wouldn't say wasted, I think buying a smaller GPU and then having to upgrade it again later would be more wasteful (of money). I doubt the price drop would be enough to make that scenario cost the same as just buying the better card now. I will get a new CPU eventually, and then later when the price drops, another 970 to run SLI :)

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anyway nice deal :3

yeah, it also came with Batman Arkham Knight... although I still haven't played it because of all the issues they were having... but I did get all the other batman games for free (WB's response to the issue) as well, so it was a much better deal than expected :)

8 years ago*
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Well, no one knows how the gpu will get old, what is going to happen with dx12, new generations, etc...

here a 970 goes for 350€ :|
I would never spend that amount of money for something I can't use for a long time and that could be replaced by something better soon or that with dx 12 could lose a part of its value :s

8 years ago
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yeah I'm not sure how much the dx12 affects it. I mean as long as the game will still run in dx11 is it really that big of an issue? I am pretty sure most of the dx11 games will run with dx10 right? I haven't really done that much research on it. I think the only time it would pose a problem if the new games would just not support the old directX at all.

I hear you on the price though... I really did not even want to spend that money when I did... but my two gtx 470's in SLI just were not cutting it anymore after 5 yrs :P

8 years ago
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nvidia GTX970 G1 WindForce

8 years ago*
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that's pretty out of his budget listed.

8 years ago
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which PSU?

8 years ago
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Does it matter?

8 years ago
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ofc it does, if its a crappy one thats 700w only on the box then you cant buy a decent gpu
your PSU is not 80% certified so its not that great, I wont say you need to change it, but you shouldnt go overboard with power requirements

8 years ago
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, if its a crappy one thats 700w only on the box then you cant buy a decent gpu

700W is overkill for more or less any setup that does not have multiple GPUs, or feel the need to fill your computer with flashy stuff. Heck, you might be able to fit 3 Nvidia graphics cards into that thing (but not 3 ATI ones, they tend to be considerably more power hungry).

For the record: 450W and a 960 GTX in my rig, and I still have some wiggle room.

8 years ago
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I'll assume it does:
PSU is a Rosewill RD700, purchased almost a year ago.

8 years ago
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700W should be fine

8 years ago
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There should be no consumer-grade GPU that's out of your PSU-range, even if you have a good amount of other stuff in your computer.

8 years ago
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Get rid of that. Like, right now. Those PSUs tend to die, sometimes along with half of the computer, in 1-2 years of run time. If a PSU of 700 Watts cost less than 130 USD, you just essentially bought a very nice paperweight that may or may not make the entire room smell like burnt metal eventually.

But seriously. Get rid of that Rosewill PSU before it solves all of your part replacement problems by frying your entire motherboard and everything on it. I'm absolutely not joking here, that PSU is so low-tier it is essentially a liability.

8 years ago
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I don't think you can get a GTX970 for that price, so maybe a GTX960. Unless you up your budget a little bit

8 years ago
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Considering that my CPU will probably bottleneck for a while before I upgrade, the GPU doesn't necessarily need to be extremely powerful (heck, anything will be better than my current HD6450).

8 years ago
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I think the GTX960 would serve you well then

8 years ago
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If you get a GTX 960, make sure to get the 4gb version. Games these days eat up VRAM.

8 years ago
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With your budget a GTX 970 is a good choice but I'm not sure if your CPU is gonna bottleneck
EDIT: Sorry but seems like I made a mistake about the prices so as others said a GTX 960 is a better choice

8 years ago*
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I suggest this: GIGABYTE GV-N960IXOC-4GD NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 960 4GB GRAPHICS CARD about 230$

8 years ago
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Which Brand PSU and how old is it? It's important to know.

Second, GPU progression was stalled sinds 2012/2013, especially AMD just released rebranded products, in a few months however they {(nvidia and amd) are switching from 28 nm production to 14 nm, so if your not gonna play a game right away with ur new gpu.. waiting would be wise, in this case.

Or buy a cheap second hand gpu which u can switch over at the end of the year, or next year.

8 years ago
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PSU is a Rosewill RD700, purchased almost a year ago.

8 years ago
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Oh and btw - which resolution will you and are you gaming?

8 years ago
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1680 x 1050 currently. My 1920 x 1080 monitor died earlier this year (RIP).

8 years ago
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GTX 960 or R9 380x

8 years ago
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Since you only want nVidia, there's really only one good option - the GTX 960. :P

8 years ago
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I'm a bit dated at this point, so there's a very good chance that i'm way off point. but I purchased my GTX 760 for around that price range, on blackfriday sale, a little over a year ago after a lot of research. I'm guessing it's around that price point all the time now because the 960 was released pretty sure that's closer to $300 usd than $200, but that's just a hunch

EDIT: I'd go with 960 having done a quick look now. they're about the same price at this point.

8 years ago
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well after checking the price at your region your budget might fit a 960 2gb , but try to get the 4gb cause games these day love VRAM a lot if you know what i mean

8 years ago
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Doesn't really matter at FullHD. All that games want to store in VRAM perfectly fits usual RAM today and it doesn't affect FPS (almost)

8 years ago
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well then 2gb i guess cause it really doesn't matter that much with 960

8 years ago
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At this resolution (1680x1050) you can really just go with 960 2GB and keep some money. R9 380X is slighty better, but if you don't want to go with red army then you should pick 960 (2 or 4 GB) or wait for 960Ti (should be released soon)

8 years ago
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What are your thoughts about AMD vs Nvidia? Do you think I'm overreacting due to the bad reviews on some games regarding AMD?
I'm not sure whether or not Nvidia would be the best decision...

8 years ago
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I just want to say that 380X fits your budget slighty better and NV doesn't have a card to match it. (960Ti should, I guess)

Digital Foundry 380/380X/960 comparison

8 years ago
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yes, you are overreacting: i have amd cards for 10 years and never had a driver issue... but, with millions of cards both of brands in the past had their problems... recently nvidia had issues with 860m (mobile platform) and a "strange" performance drop for older cards (fermi) with recent drivers... and have you forgotten the false advertising on the 4th GB of 970 VRAM? The Batman AK trailers promising 60fps stable when the game was capped at 30fps? I can continue for hours. No one is perfect but the green side sure is shady, so trust your wallet and make your choice.. ;)

8 years ago
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It is partly due to NVidia Gameworks though. (A little program that makes all non-NVidia cards run bad. And no, this is not a conspiracy theory but a proven fact by now.) Where NVidia wasn't among the sponsors of the engine, AMD cards tend to match or go slightly (5-10% mostly) above their NVidia counterparts.
The problem recently was with drivers. As notorious Nvidia has been with its hit and miss (or more likely hit-miss-miss-miss-miss-holyfuckingchristthisdriverhalvedmyframerate-hit) drivers, AMD around Omega really shoot itself in the foot. They more or less (well, still a little bit less than more) fixed it, and gradually getting better again.
The actual real and greatest concern is about the power use. As I said above, before you think about any new GPU, first buy a PSU that won't fry your system.

8 years ago
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some great items at new egg in your price range
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%204814%204018
i would recommend the EVGA GeForce GTX 960 04G-P4-3969-KR 4GB FTW GAMING w/ACX 2.0+, Whisper Silent Cooling w/ Free Installed Backplate Graphics Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487164 it has a core clock of 1304MHz

8 years ago
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Unfortunately, Newegg won't show me .com links. It brings me back to the front page.

8 years ago
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I just got gigabyte gtx 960 OC 4gig for 200 USD
Definitely get the 4 gig version as games like Wolfenstien and COD ghost use wll over 2gig and other games are sure to follow
Mine is clocked at 1219 and boost to 1320

8 years ago
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Yeah, the 960 does seem like a decent choice in my situation.

8 years ago
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i game at 1440x900 and both the games i listed use over 2 gig so get the 4 gig for future proofing
Wolfenstien uses almost 3 gig and COD uses 3.8 gig all settings in both games set to ultra and high AA

8 years ago
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Either NVidia GTX 960 (the 4GB edition, don't even think about any other), or AMD R9 380X. The latter will have more edge in DirectX 12 performance than the NVidia 900 series, so it has at least an additional year (or even more) longevity. But in short to mid terms, they are pretty much close with the R9 being a little more efficient in price/performance ratio and being somewhat cheaper.

Still, your CPU won't be able to supply either of them, so no matter what you buy, you will be bottlenecked. So, the choice is more like ghow long you want this to be your primary card? If 2-3 years, the NVidia one is probably better for you. If 3-5 years, then go for AMD or wait a year until NVidia releases actual DX12 chips.

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8 years ago*
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It isn't really a question of compatibility but if they hold each other back or not. In this case, until OP gets a new CPU, that will be a major bottleneck.

8 years ago
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Id say wait until pascal comes out.

8 years ago
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I see people recommending the 4GB version of the gtx 960, but unless you can get it for roughly the same price, you should just get the 2GB one. There's not really any difference in performance. 4GB won't help you at all on a 128 bit bus. It's been pretty heavily benchmarked and results show practically no difference between the two cards in 99% of the cases. Also 4GB won't help you "future-proof" on a mid range card with a 128 bit bus.

As for my personal advice, if you can wait, just wait for the new generation of cards, coming somewhere around summer 2016. If you can't, then make a choice between something that is less power hungry / more efficent (gtx 960) or more raw power (380 / 380x).

8 years ago*
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Alright, so after reading all of your recommendations and searching around Newegg a bit, I figured that I should probably go with the XFX Radeon R9 380X 4GB 256-Bit DDR5 DD BLACK EDITION OC Video Card. First reason is that it has two DVI connectors (which is a good thing since I have two monitors). Second, XFX seem to have very good support and warranty (apparently DD GPUs have lifetime warranty).

Any thoughts?

8 years ago
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Good choice, just make sure you have a strong enough PSU. As much as I love AMD, their products are quite power-hungry. 650W may be enough, 750W is okay.

8 years ago
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XFX got bad CS in EU at least. I'd go with Sapphire on AMD and EVGA on NVIDIA

8 years ago
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Thats amazing, you probably can't get a better GPU at that price range unless you go used, which is a whole different story.

As far as drivers are concerned AMD recently made some changes to new drivers so if you do notice problems you can delete them and go for non Crimson ones, those have no issues, but can give slightly less performance, but it should be fixed soon.

8 years ago
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I think it is a good choise. For your budget, the 380/380x is one of the best card you may get.

8 years ago
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AMD R9 390 better than GTX970 cuz of DX12 support

8 years ago
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R9 390 is over my budget.

8 years ago
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The 970 supports DX12 as well lol

8 years ago
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It will support DX12, but it looks like the current range of ATI cards have better support for DX12 than the current line of Nvidia cards.

8 years ago
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Actually all DX11.2 cards will support DX12.0 (lowest support lvl) afaik

8 years ago
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well AMD cards get a 35% performance increase, while NVIDIA cards get 0%..

8 years ago
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I would be interested in hearing where you got that 0% from, because Nvidias current range of cards will be able to use some of the features of DX12, it's just that the current range of ATI cards has better support for DX12.

8 years ago
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Neither brand fully supports DX12 now, but the current NVidia architecture is just totally not built for it. Since DX12 is a very similar low-level API as Mantle (they use similar theories), AMD cards receive a massive boost, since they were designed to run with Mantle in the first place.
if you want a brief summary, one of the articles related to the Ashes of Singularity controversy from last year makes a nice one on that: http://wccftech.com/oxide-games-dev-replies-ashes-singularity-controversy/

8 years ago
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I've read a few articles on the subject, and there still seem to be some debate in regards to how much more ATi cards gain from DX12 as compared to Nvidia, but they all seem to agree that it's more. There are even a few fields in which Nvidia beats ATi. Both seem to gain some from DX12 though. But currently, for future proofing, it seems to be better to go ATi.

8 years ago
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Right now, yes. It is a question though how will the new cards from both manufacturers perform. Not to mention that Intel is getting surprisingly good with each new GPU generation.

8 years ago
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no matter what brand you get, get at least 3 gb and + even for 1080p, skyrim modded and crysis 2 ultra destroy that 2 gb pretty fast

(well crysis 2 i reached 2 160 mbs still higher than 2048 mbs)

8 years ago
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In fact all above 2GB will just go to usual RAM and will not affect your fps that much.

8 years ago
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Yip- 4GB 960 not worth it.. 4gbplus would be worth it at high reso gaming starting from 970/390

8 years ago
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shared ram is only for inboard graphic card other wise it can make a game crash

8 years ago
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Depens on game. AC Syndicate and GTAV will just use RAM if they are out of VRAM afaik

8 years ago
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as far i know they can't use more than 2 gb, they will load the a lower resolution so they don't go above their max vram available.

i can't find any source that let your dedicated gpu use ram other than discrete one

8 years ago
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That's a different thing. On-board graphics can use RAM directly (without the need to first transfer to VRAM).

Discrete GPU will move things to RAM if there's not enought VRAM. But if that data is needed at any time, it must be transfered back to VRAM first (potentially needing to get something out of VRAM to make space), since the GPU doesn't have direct acces to RAM like an on-board GPU has. The graphics driver takes care of this.

8 years ago
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well can you send me a link that allow dedicated graphic card to use ram cause the only thing that i can find is discrete card that can use ram

8 years ago
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please dont give advice to people if you dont know what are you talking about
amount of memory is not even close to the most important thing when buying gpu

8 years ago
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Wait for the summer like i m doing because of the new cards that going to be release

8 years ago
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I'm still running a computer that is more than six years old. I upgraded it with a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750. So far, I have not found anything I can't run. I can even run almost everything maxed.

8 years ago
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"I'd rather go with Nvidia because of the recent graphics and drivers issue with AMD" Really? My friends went AMD because of the recent graphics drivers issues with Nvidia.

What an interesting world of incompatible perspectives.

8 years ago
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I reconsidered, I think I may be going for the "red side".

8 years ago
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i never had a probleme with my driver with my r9 390, r9 270 or evven with nvidia side.

look if you play the nvidia game (usually game that required physx that gain advantage with the cuda core ) but are generaly higher priced than amd

8 years ago
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I like it over here on the "red side" as you call it. I haven't used Nvidia since 2010 when Nvidia's revolution in GPU tech ended and ATI's began (which was in 2009, but i got a pc in 2010). Still waiting for someone to win me over from AMD as Nvidia won me over in 2006 and ATI in 2009.

8 years ago
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r9 380/380x/gtx 960

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