Good evening everyone

I was wondering about the ratio of this site. I mean sending and winning gifts. Is it ok if someone won over a 100 games and gave none? When I read the FAQ before I registered, it stated that the ratio is important, yet I see many people takes but doesn't give anything back. Are they going to be banned one day or is it ok and 'legal' for them to take as much games as they can from this site?

Can I refuse giving someone a game after reviewing their profile/games list, or ratio? Would this be fair or not?

Thank you for your time, I really wish someone can clear this for me because I'm a bit confuse and have my noob moment. :)

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Your ratio is entirely up to you. Quite a lot of people will blacklist you for a ratio they don't like, but you won't get banned or anything ;)
Ratio around at least 2:1 or 1:1 (won:given) is usually a good thing to maintain if you can afford that, but it's really no biggie.

7 years ago
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Ah I see, got it now thank you :)

7 years ago
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What FAQ are you talking about? I see no mention of the word "ratio" anywhere in the FAQ.
https://www.steamgifts.com/about/faq

7 years ago
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I could swear I read something about the ratio a month ago hmm, seems I mixed it up with the discussion threads and what people been saying. Thanks for replying, I got it cleared out now :)

7 years ago
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From what I have read over the years, Givers are quite generous. Once someone has won 10 games, people expect the winner to giveaway at least 1 game. So, in your case, most people would expect this 100-winner to put out the effort to give at least 10 games. There are many poor gamers--so, it is a minimal expectation.

Everyone makes their own judgment; some are proactive, looking for extreme leechers, and blacklist.

7 years ago
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I see, thank you for clearing this out. I won't blacklist anyone who didn't break the rules. This is why I sometimes wonder why I have 3 people blacklisting me for nothing x3 guess they decided to not like me ^^;

7 years ago
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Dont worry about blacklists, as long as you're breathing you're bound to get a few around here.
Also Rule 1 about blacklists: We don't talk about blacklists(cause they only bring more blacklists). Rule 2: See Rule 1. ;)

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Roger that XD

7 years ago
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Yep, I am on over 100 blacklists mainly for asking about them. You can get blacklisted for just about anything. The treat the topic like Fight Club to many of them. Could care less though honestly.

7 years ago
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here, one white list for you to bring some balance

7 years ago
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Thank you :)

7 years ago
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Some people will put those "leeches" on their blacklists, meaning they can't enter their giveaways, and some people use CV ratio SGTools tests as a gateway to their giveaways.

You can't just decide that you don't like someone and refuse to give them your game after they win.

7 years ago
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I see, thank you. As long as they following the rules I don't mind it, I thought it wasn't right to just take and don't give anything back :) Thanks for clearing that for me.

7 years ago
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No problem. The other mechanism that Steamgifts has to reward giving is the level system. You increase your level by giving, with your first giveaway getting you to Level 1 (see guide). You set the minimum level requirement for every giveaway so it's easy to exclude people that have not contributed.

7 years ago
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Site doesn't care about ratio, you'll never be banned for this. But users do care about it so many of them would probably blacklist you from their own GAs.
You can't request new winner 'cause of ratio. You can blacklist leechers at the first place, but if some of them win you GA you should give them a game. But there are other reasons for requesting new winner like rulebreaking or having game from GA.

7 years ago
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Got it, thank you for your reply. I'm not going to blacklist anyone for such a reason, I just thought it wasn't right what they are doing.

Thanks again.

7 years ago
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Hi!

  • Yes, it is not mandatory to giveaway games on this site so you won't be banned for having a bad ratio. You can blacklist users that don't fit your criteria and you can filter your giveaways with sgtools if you are looking for particular ratios from the people who enter your giveaways.

  • You can refuse to give the game to someone that has a bad ratio but you would have a not sent mark on your profile and maybe a suspension for creating fake giveaways

7 years ago
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Yeah I understand, I won't risk getting a ban because of them. Thanks for your reply.

7 years ago
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just to clear misunderstanding - Suspension =/= Ban. The way SG deals with most of rulebreaking are temporary suspensions - when suspended you cannot access the site for a limited time. For creating Fake GA the most you risk is a 5-day suspension, not a ban ;)

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You cannot get banned from winning too many games, even if you give away none.

What can happen, however, is people blacklisting you because of that to prevent you from joining their giveaways.
Also, many (private) giveaways present here in the discussions are created using SGTools, which allows the giveaway creator to make sure that the giveaway entrants meet certain requirements before being given access to their giveaway. These can be a a minimum ratio, no unactivated wins or multiple wins of the same game and so on.

Usually a 1:1 ratio sounds good. You get as much as you give. Anything over that is generally appreciated. :)

Edit: seems like a lot of people answered your questions. I was a bit slow with my response. :D

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Thank you for your response ^^

I'm not going to use the ratio thing if it isn't a big deal or not in the rules, I was just concern I'm giving my games to the wrong people x3 Thanks for clearing that out.

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Glad I could help ^^

7 years ago
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With this ratio, you won't get too many blacklists. ;P Other than that, it's your own choice what to do and nobody can tell you otherwise. You won't get punished or anything for having a bad ratio.

7 years ago
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lol I wish I'm as generous as them :P

Thanks for clearing this for me though :)

7 years ago
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Whatever satisfies you.

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:)

7 years ago
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The ratio is entirely up to the individual, although poor ratios are often frowned upon. However having a poor ratio has no consequences directly linked to the site, no ban or anything.
It's also not a valid ground on which you can "refuse" providing the winner of a giveaway the game you're giving away technically.
There are tools like SGTools however to restrict a giveaway within certain parameters, one of which is ratio, and you can only get the link if you pass a check, if you don't pass and yet find the link elsewhere then it is an accepted reason for reroll.

Edit: slowpoke as usual with replying :P

7 years ago
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Hehe thank you for your reply, slow or not I appreciate it :)
I will not refuse giving them the games, I just wanted to make sure if what they are doing is right or not, winning +100 games and giving 0 back x3 that is some luck running there hehe.

Thank you again.

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Rules-wise it's right, although they might have other infractions like not activating all their wins or their account or winning the same game more than once, which could constitute reasons to reroll if they haven't "done their time" for those. You can check by putting their usernames here and here (usually a good idea, especially with low level public giveaways)

Edit: Both your winners that have confirmed so far for example have unactivated wins, one of them quite some time ago so probably done his time by now but the other one is very recent so that could have been rerolled for sure.

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Ah.. too bad I didn't know about that activation checker tool. Do I have to do something now or just be more careful next time?

7 years ago
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Since you have already delivered the games no, there's nothing to do anymore besides report it if you want but those tickets take months with how overwhelmed support is now so really no point, someone will report them when they reroll on them in one of their next wins.
For the ones that have yet to confirm if it's in steam gift form and they haven't got it yet you can cancel the pending gift from your inventory and then ask for a reroll. If it's a key check if they've been online since you revealed it from their Last Online time on their profiles. If that predates the end of the GA you can hide the key and ask for a reroll too. That's of course assuming those also have infractions, if they don't you just send them normally.

7 years ago
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Holy cow he won resident evil 7 and didn't activate it D: perhaps he want to sell it or something XD or maybe he couldn't activate it coz it was a pre order one? I don't know..

7 years ago
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There is no way that they wouldn't be able to activate it. Besides, they marked it as received so they did get it. I imagine they will end up getting reported.

Welcome to SG, by the way!:)

7 years ago
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I like to put a mininum level equal or slightly lower to mine when I do public GA. I prefer more serious users to get my games (they will mark as received quickly, will activate the game for themselves and follow the rules). Someone who never gave anything back will have to keep joining level 0 GA and will most likely never reach 100 win... ;)

7 years ago
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I've seen level 0 people with over 100 wins and 1000 games in their library. Some are just too greedy to even make 1 GA

7 years ago
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Once, I saw this guy, that had won one of my giveaways
He/She had won about 600 GAMES.
And given NONE.

and I was like what the hell?!

He had like 1-2 thousand games in his/her library

7 years ago
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30.01, without a doubt.

7 years ago
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A noob won't get that reference.

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Doesn't matter, others will, and he they already got a proper answer, so why not just be crazy? :D

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She* :P

7 years ago
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Damn, sorry. I was so sleepy that I wrote the they there, but forgot to erase "he" :D

7 years ago
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lol its alright x3

7 years ago
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I can conform I'm a noob and didn't get what he said XD

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It used to be that you could only get $30 in contributor value from bundled games if all you gave was bundled games (your max contributor value from bundled games was $30 + 10% of your non-bundled contributor value, if my memory serves), thus to prevent "leechers" from winning, people would often set the required contributor value for a giveaway to 30.1 or something like that. Back then we did not have levels, everything was raw contributor value.

7 years ago
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Ah I see, sounds interesting. I may do that in my next GA.

7 years ago
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It has to do with SG v1, it no longer applies.

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Just make a level 2 GA. At least then your winners will have given some games away and not just 1 GA with a free key from a site.

7 years ago
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I thought I have to be in that certain level in order to giveaway in it. Will keep that in mind thank you.

7 years ago
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You can set any level, you don't have to be that level yourself. You can also make invite-only GAs and post the link in a thread or group-only GAs if you want to have certain people be able to enter. Of course that means making a group in Steam first then adding people to that group.
But at least that way you can filter out who you want without resorting to blacklists which only prevents certain people from entering your GAs.

7 years ago
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I like the sound of this much better. Thank you for the advice.

7 years ago
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Some people tried to make exclusively high-level giveaways even at low levels. Some did in hopes of getting on whitelists of those users, some for other reasons. Your level only puts restrictions on what you can enter; you are not limited on setting up restrictions within the site's capabilities yourself, regardless of your level.

7 years ago
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Having a "nice" ratio will help you get into groups. How nice depends on the group. Certain SGtools giveaways will have ratio-limits, usually "real CV"-based (but not always). Real CV is your contributor value, where bundled games give 15%. So if you've given away an unbundled $10 game and have won a bundled $10 game, your ratio will be 6,666, which will get you into more or less anything.
But as others have said, don't worry too much about it. Give what you can or want to give. And keep in mind that not everyone can have a ratio above 1 (heck, as far as CV goes, average ratio will be less than 1. This is because once you've given away 5 of the same game, each additional copy you're giving away will net you less CV, yet it will still count full value towards the winners ratio).

7 years ago
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Ah I see, thank you for explaining, it is clear for me now.

7 years ago
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Oh, and welcome to the site! Always nice to see someone actually take their time to ask about these things, rather than just storming in head first and breaking a few rules in the process.

7 years ago
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Thank you ^^

7 years ago
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Sent you a friend request

7 years ago
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:)

7 years ago
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Check Steam chat

7 years ago
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I did thank you :)

7 years ago
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I like you ~ good luck on steamgifts ^.^

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Thank you ^^

7 years ago
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the right ratio is whatever you can comfortably afford, even if that is absolutely nothing at all. don't spend more then you can afford.
the most common preferred ratio is just being in the positive (giving more then receiving in at least one of the two ways / count or value). but not everyone is the same, some may not care at all about ratio while others want you to have a far greater ratio then that.

7 years ago
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Yeah I understand that, I won't spend more than I can actually afford. Thank you for the advice :)

7 years ago
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There are people with like 300 won and 0 sent

7 years ago
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Yeah and it is quite painful to see, but I can't judge now since there is no rule saying they can't do it.

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The "right ratio" is whatever people conjure up in their heads.
Give what you can, when you can, and when you want, and don't worry so much what others think.

Personally speaking, I think those who win 100's of games and never touch any of them, except to idle for cards, are far worse than those with a "bad" ratio, because they've taken a win from someone who may actually play and enjoy the game.

7 years ago
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Exactly, I won't enter a giveaway I know I won't be touching or playing, this is sad because they are taking the opportunity from people who really want to play.

Thank you for your reply

7 years ago
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If that's the case you should check out these lovely groups:
Actually Playing Games forgot this one had a level requirement
Playing Appreciated

No mandatory GAs, ratios etc. Just an extra incentive to actually play your wins, BLAEO and PA have worked wonders for me so far ;)

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Thank you for referring these groups for me, I'll check them out :)
Edit: Says it is members invite only XD the second group since I can't join the first one anyway ^^

7 years ago
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Most of the groups on Steamgifts operate on an invite only policy since they all have their own unique rules. That's done to prevent people that don't fit those criteria or have no intention of upholding the group's rules to enter the giveaways made for those. As long as you fit the criteria set and agree to their rules all you gotta do is post a comment on their thread and they'll send you an invite

7 years ago
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I see, I'll give it a go, thank you :)

7 years ago
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As others have said, ratio is not a hard rule from the site but a thing some people care about more than others. Some will enforce it with SGTools protected giveaways, others will blacklist people with a "bad" ratio. (Something that's very suggestive and varies from person to person.)

If you want to make the time spent on Steamgifts enjoyable, the best thing to do is give whatever you're comfortable giving, join giveaways for games you're actually interested in, and ignore the blacklist drama. (No matter how many blacklist you get into for breathing the wrong way, remember that it will always be a tiny percentage of the whole Steamgifts community and it's much better for your own sanity to simply ignore those.)

You have made some nice contributions so far, so I would like to personally thank you for doing your part in keeping the giving spirit alive and well on this site. I hope we will see you around these discussions from time to time.

7 years ago
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Thank you for the advice and your sweet words :) I understood everything now and wouldn't bother much about the ratio as long as I can give and take what I like and really will play :)

7 years ago
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Never cared about ratio, for myself or people winning my giveaways. I give when I can. I do generally only do giveaway to those who have at least given something though.

7 years ago
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Thank you for your reply :) I'll spread the love and giveaways without worrying about anything now ^^

7 years ago
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Ratio is not a big deal.

The fact also is that you can give one game at 60$ but won 10 games at 1$...ratio is ruined, but still your GA is more important.

7 years ago
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I see, I understand how this work now, thank you :)

7 years ago
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for some it will be 10 sent:1 win, others will be happy with 2:1 or 1:1 and even 0.5:1 will be ok. it's up to everyone since there are no rules.

and yes, you can refuse to send someone his win, but it's against the rules (will count as a fake giveaway and also breaks the site ToS).

7 years ago
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So it is all about personal preference, no actual rule for it there. I understand now thank you :)

7 years ago
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Depends on the person you are dealing with .

I dont mind anyone untill it start dipping under 20 won to 1 sent ... at that point thats just leeching >.<

But tbh thats just me , and im cancerous piece ......... when it comes to leeching D:

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Thanks for replying, I got it now :)

7 years ago
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If you want a "negative" example, watch my won/sent-ratio. Its about 0,4:1 if you only count the amount of giveaways. If you go and watch the real-CV youll see that ive given away more than I received . Its about 1.1:1. And I am trying to play the games, I honestly give every game a chance. So Ive played some games Id never noticed if I dont won them here. But srsly: Most games are crap and if you look what I was giving away from time to time, there are games which would be played from the winners because there are good titles... So dont worry about the ratio, dont care about blacklist (for sure: I will be blacklisted for this post) and give when you can, enjoy the community, enjoy the games, enjoy the characters you`ll meet and dont care about others! Its your life. Do what you want and what you think is the right thing

7 years ago
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Yeah you've given more than what you received, I understand how this system works now, thank you for explaining, I won't let it bother me and I'll just keep giving away games without worrying :)

Thanks for replying.

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As it was pointed out a few times on this thread, ratio is whatever you conjure up. What I would like to expand it with is that you'd feel a lot more comfortable in the long run if you give exactly zero fucks about other people's stats and just try to focus on making your own stats pretty enough to make you feel comfortable with it. :)

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