Ok, so there's 2 games I've been trying to trade for that every "Trader"
I contact seems to think is worth 10x the Store Price.

Starbound, and Windward!

Every person I've tried to trade for these games wants either twice their
Value in CS:GO keys, or 10x their value in Steam Gifts from my inventory.

Are these people just Nucking Futs!!?

As far as I know, neither game is going to be Discontinued like Family guy,
yet the people trading them treat them like I'm trying to steal their
"Pride and Joy" and Demand some ridiculous trade for them.

Since I don't have Children, I can't Trade them my 1st born child,
and that always makes them sad, then they demand my entire
Steam Inventory for them!!

Why the Hell would I pay more then the listed Price of $15?

Edit: Ok, so admittedly, some of this was just me being frustrated.
The poll was a joke mostly. I don't think You can even view who voted
for what, so it should'nt matter.

As for the Games, I bought Starbound for 7.50, and I'm pursuing a few leads
on the other game.

Thank you all for your help and your Criticism.

"You can't Make an Omelette, without breaking a few Eggs!".

Note: Certain game like Family Guy: Back to the Multiverse are expensive
due to having been discontinued on Steam.

This does'nt mean the Keycode won't work, it means that Keycodes are now
the ONLY way to acquire the game, making them "Collector's Items"

Update: While I have'nt gotten all the games I want, the Suggestions, and Logic
that People have given me on this thread has given me a new insight into the
Trading market.

I understand now why the games I've been trading are being treated the way
they have, and how I can handle that.

More over, I have a better understanding of the Value of Keys, and why at this
time the market "Seems" insane, is due to the Traders being as unwilling as
me to trade their games for less then they thought they could get.

Sadly, the new region locks have severely altered the Price of Keys, and the
people who are trying to sell their games at "Insane" prices, have actually made
the same mistake that I did, and are over valueing their games based on the old
Market Value of Keys.

The new market value for keys is much higher, meaning that in relation, the
games are worth far less then they used to be.

I've heard of games where the trade wanted 22 keys.

Now I've done the math and even if you were able to buy keys at $0.90, 22 Keys
would be around $20, but sadly, I have'nt seen a drop below the in game sale
value of the keys.

While there may be "Key Sellers" out there that sell their keys cheaper, sadly the
Price of Keys going up, means the cost of the games must go down, because
the keys being worth more now, means that 22 keys isn't $20, it's closer to $40.

I took this persaonally because I became frustrated trying to get what was IMO
simply a Keycode worth no more then the last sale price of the game.

When in fact, the "Gift" items that People wanted in Trade have gone even
further down in price, because of their Frequent Sales and Bundling.

Also, my Mistrust of the Keycode format, means that I need to make many, Many
more trades, using Keycodes left over from Bundles to increase my trade score.

I won't be jumping right back into trading though, until I can revalue everything I
have, so that It meets the current market Value.

Thank you all Again for your contributions to this Thread, You've helped me Greatly. :-)

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My games are worth way more then everyone elses!!

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No, I try and make fair deals.
Keycodes Especially, because I always try Scam for Steam Gift Items, and then just laugh and not give them the Keycode.
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the good thing

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No, it's basically borderline scamming. Honest trading is when the trader sets a price somewhere between cheapest and current sale price, ensuring that both parties profit. Anything else is just taking huge advantage of people's lack of knowledge.

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That's the definition of Trade ;)

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Then buy from the store.

I notice that at the minimum, we don't know what you think is a fair price either.

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I probably will, but the people that make these demands waste both their time, AND MINE! >.<

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Look for fair people with set prices that you can agree with then. Avoid the ones with more expensive prices.

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I really do look for the best Deal, I scan the "Trades" Section for Hours, and the most Fair prices I've Ever seen were offered by a BOT!!

Quite literally, the guy who made the page has a BOT that will not only trade in Gem Sacks, Keys, and Ref.m, but will actually give you back "Change" in the form of Ref.m

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Exactly my thoughts. No reason that he should beat himself up about something he can't control. Just find someone that has better prices than the ones that don't. :)

If not wait until a better deal comes up. Am I right? :P

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Came here to say the same, but got beated by a minute.

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$15 value, same as the game when it's "Not on Sale".

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I don't know how you could have trouble finding people selling under the current value. Unless you are doing keys and you count highest value while they count lowest, but no traders would ignore the highest anyway.

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Don't ask me, I offered Saints Row IV: Game of the Century Edition, for each one individually, and the common answer I get back is always "Would you trade Saints Row Franchise Pack for it?".

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That is probably because the Saints Row Ultimate Franchise Pack has been on sale on Steam for $10.99, Saints Row IV Game of the Century Edition for $7.49, and Starbound for $10.49.

Effectively, based on the lowest recorded price of each game, SRIV:GOTC is somewhat a rip off, while the Ultimate Franchise Pack is actually a fair trade.

What you may be lacking here is the pricing knowledge most traders have, which you can resolve with the website isthereanydeal.com

eg:
http://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=saintsrowultimatefranchisepack

http://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=saintsrowivgameofcenturyedition

http://isthereanydeal.com/#/page:game/info?plain=starbound

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Uh, yeah, I'm using Steam Enhanced, I don't even need to Visit those Sites, It does it all without ever having to leave the Steam Website.

And I do use "isthereanydeal" but it's faster to just check each of my Favorite Bundle Sites Each day, because a Deal may not show up in the "isthereanydeal" Archive right away.

Oh! and at least IndieGala out of the sites I visit occausionally has a free Key for a game I want.

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I found a thread asking for 5 keys. That's around $9 and change. Decent off-sale price?

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yes, it's actually as good or better then the last sale. but I don't have any Key's and CS:GO charges 2.50 per key, so 5 keys would actually be 12.50, but that's still better then the Deals I've been seeing. T.T

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This is why you shouldn't buy keys from the market or from in-game if your intention is to trade them for games.

Traders are going to charge a bit of a premium since the rule changes unless its game for game trades, which are harder to pull off because you have to have a match. The best way to get the bang for your buck out of keys for game trades is by buying keys from a seller. You can get TF2 for around 1.70 per and CSGO for 1.90 - 2 depending on where you look. There are more than a few reputable key sellers that will take Paypal for keys.

The market rules and regional restrictions on games from the cheaper regions (i.e. Russia and the SEA countries) really killed the overall trading keys for games marketplace. There's still ways to save a lot of money, but you have to be more creative, you also have to look a lot deeper. If I'm seeking a specific game, I'll typically look at 10 or more offers of it before I decide to hit up someone for it. Usually there's always someone who has it a little cheaper.

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check tf2outpost for starbound, it's around 5-6 tf2 keys.

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well...people are crazy .p.

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Team Fortress 2 keys sell for ~$2.30 on the Steam Market.

Starbound worth $15, traders will likely charge 5-7 keys for it.

Gifts are sold at a premium, while keys are sold for cheap (because maybe the trader bought it in a $1 bundle)

Also, gifts are tradable. Keys may expire, and are generally considered not safe for trade.

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That's another thing about these "Traders", they want me to "Gift" a bunch of Steam Gifts from my inventory to them, then they "Promise" to Give me the Keycode.

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Never ever ever ever do that

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The safest bet is to trade only inside the trade window -- to trade gifts only

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The safest bet is not to trade at all, but only buy games directly from steam store.
That's what valve wants, any other practices aren't supported.

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Well you have basically no rep, don't expect a trader with high rep to go first with a key, so try to trade for a gift instead.

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Lots of impersonators out there. Make sure you verify who you are trading with. Usually they hide behind private profiles and try to offer you something too good to be true.

If you look at my +rep profile and match it with my Steam profile then you know it's me. If someone adds you with a different profile or hides behind a private profile, he is usually trying to scam you.

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That's happened, some Idiot thought I would just "Gift" him Skyrim Legendary, in return for a Promise of a Keycode for Dying Light. This was back before IndieGala had started having Sales on it, so the fact that he was willing to trade Dying Light, a 59.99 game, for Skyrim Legendary, a 39.99 game, was either a Scam, or I missed a Great Deal.

I'd rather miss 100 great deals then get Ripped off once.

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Yeah, good trades can happen, just have to be careful and make sure you aren't getting tricked. Most people that do get scammed, don't crosscheck steam profiles with the scammer and the real trader's profile they are impersonating.

I had a batch of CS:GO game steam keys I got from a price mistake and when everyone else was asking 4 TF2/CS:GO keys, I was selling mine for 3 keys each. They were region free steam keys, and of course I didn't go first, considering my high reputation.

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you have to stop thinking in steam standard prices. skyrim legendary was sold for 3-4 keys. the current steam store price really doesn't matter. it's always about the trading market price. :)

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you can actually buy it for 6 right now. there are always some copies left. ;)

and yes, it's not as cheap anymore as it was. i just wanted to point out that steam store standard price and market price are a big difference. and the latter is the only important thing here.

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I thought ru version of Skyrim LE was ru/cis locked to run? (OnlyAllowRunInRU-CISGhetto mark on steamdb)

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Weird. Pretty sure Ru Skyrim LE had some problems even on summer sale 2014, either ungiftable or ru/cis locked to run from library. Otherwise I would raffle it here for sure.

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I think 1 -1.5 keys over the most recent sale price is pretty fair and i have had very little trouble finding the games i want that way...though with Steam's semi recent horsecockery, i basically stopped trading.

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I'll tell you what, when you have something it worth shit but when other have it is gold....
That's how trades in steam work

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It's both ways.

I have Sunless Sea (historic low $11.39) sitting in my inventory and some of the offers (not on here, tbf) have been crazy.

Not only are they scummy, but they're also lazy (I've 2200 games in my acct. and they don't even bother to check whether I have the free key they're offering).

I've had (seriously) bloop - a current freebie which I got myself anyway, Voxelized (currently 19 cents or whatever), etc.

Still at least nobody has offered Bad Rats, yet.

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Fixed.

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;)

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Yeah I hate those really bad offers for games worth way more, like your Sunless Sea. Why would anyone expect to trade a bundle game or even 2 bundle games for a game that has never been bundled or lower than $11.39. Kills me every time, it's actually a little insulting to even see an offer like that.

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I know.

It's nuts.

I don't even know why they waste their time, nevermind not bother checking whether or not I already have their 'offer.'

Worst offer I ever got though was for Jazzpunk steam gift - some key offered me a key to an open beta that had already closed - clearly thinking I wasn't going to bother checking.

Scammers, lowballers, beggars, all go on ignore.

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Yeah, I have seen some terrible terrible offers that still make me cringe. LOL!

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some key offered me a key

Wow, that's crazy! :P

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:P

I'm still so traumatised by it, I can't stop the mistakes!!!!

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Seriously, I know a guy that has 3000+ ATM, and he won't even accept a game for Free. He insists on Paying something.

However, if you offer him Keycodes, He'll only trade Keycodes, if you Offer him Gifts, he'll only trade Gifts.

Not sure why he's like that, but He's never ripped me off, and He has a Ton of Bundle Keys, just not these 2 games.

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Nothing wrong with steam keys or gifts, it all varies in the rarity of the game and if it's been bundled or not. I am sort of the same way with Steamgifts. Just depends on the game and the value and such.

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Same here, I've traded gifts for keys and vice versa.

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However, if you offer him Keycodes, He'll only trade Keycodes, if you Offer him Gifts, he'll only trade Gifts.

Most traders won't trade their gifts for a key

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I did just a few hours ago. It was a fair trade too. But yeah it can be rare to find a trade like that.

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You're a unicorn ^^ I have seen traders accept that only a few times

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With a double rainbow in the background! :P

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I'm willing to trade Gifts for Keycodes, I'm just not willing to trade $50 worth of gifts for a Keycode to a game that's $15

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True, I have done though.

It depends on my interest in the game, tbf.

In my old job, I spent a lot of time traveling - so I missed a lot of bundles, so I didn't mind.

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So, really, I don't care what the Traders Rep is, I've tried using the "Steamrep" site, and checking on here, but more often then not, neither place has a record that makes me want to just hand over the Gift Items from My inventory, while sitting on my Thumbs.

I'm not a scam artist, you can tell by my CV, if not my Feedback. I just Put up a copy of Batman: Arkham Knight Premium Edition for my Whitelist.

Thanks to WB being such a terrible game studio, it's ultra cheap right now, but it'll be more then worth it when they finally get some of the issues fixed.

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Steamrep has gone downhill in my opinion. I usually use logic and reasoning to verify the integrity of the trader I am trading with. I have gotten burned before, but it's very rare. 99% of the traders I have traded with have been decent and honest folks. It's actually quite easy to spot a scam typically. Most scammers try social engineering like impersonating or other things you can verify by looking at their profile and what kind of offers they give you.

Also, a lot of times scammers that are impersonating will never offer you anything in your trade thread, they will typically just add you and copy the avatar image and name of the trader they are impersonating and try to offer you something too good to be true.

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and I have to say, that I genuinely sorry for those of you who are honest traders that have to put up with Whiney customers like me, and Scam artists and Impersonators.

I really wish there was a Site like this one that was Dedicated to simply being a 3rd party in Trading, so that we could all trade without the threat of people Scamming us.

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I don't really put up with anything. Either one partner or the other has to trust the other enough to go first. If we can't agree on that I just move on. I'd rather miss out on a possibly good deal than have an argument with someone when neither of us is ready to trust the other one.

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Have you tried TG aka Traders Guild?

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TradersGuild

I have been a member for some time and i hang out in chat,you may find someone in there who will also give you a fair deal

Any trader in most cases will want you to over pay some but it usually 1 key most.It is worth a shot and the regs in the chat if i had it i would try and help but i do not have the gameI would not over pay by anymore then one key unless you feel good about paying more.

Either way good luck and i hope you get the games you want

Also keep in mind prices can very depending how often the game is in a bundle,if it is a key,or a gift,and if it was purchased during a sale and so on

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Thank You. I'll give them a try. :-)

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Well, trading certainly has become the 'slaughtering grounds'(I'm funny) for scammers and overall shitty people. I remember when I witnessed first-hand how outrageously hilarious the TF2 trading system was. I mean, wow... The offers some people think are 'good'. One item can have 20 different values. It's hilarious.

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I had some troubles reading your post. Thus i will refrain from voting until i know what is going on here.

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I'm a Scammer who's just out to ruin your perfect 111/0 Feedback. ;-P

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I will just turn into a dragon with cotton candy breath, no big deal.

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i dont understand it nether, they ask for a game from bundle from the first tier 2Xkeys! i can understand wanting to make profit, but for 1 game of 3-4 on a 1$ tier (which is 0.2-0.3$ worth) to ask 5$? thats way to much greedy...

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I stop trading because i always find it waste of time, its maybe because its rare to get fair trade, also the whole community side of steamtrades does not fit to my personality. The most trades i made was from traders with set prices in keys for aaa games and some bundled games with refs or tickets i found worthwhile.
From now on, If i want a game so badly i can wait for a steam sale which has a high possibility of 90% in the next 6 months.

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Some people are just there to make a profit. They hope that someone who can't buy the game themselve will come along and trade for an outrageous price. While most traders will not offer a game for it's lowest sale price once that sale is over, most decent ones will still try to offer a good deal. They still make a small profit while providing the game at a discount to whoever didn't get it while the sale was on.

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That's what I'm looking for, unfortunately, the only ones that Don't seem to be completely Crazy all want TF2 or CS:GO keys, and I don't have any ATM.

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NOT ALL OF THEM are insane!
Those who are new to trading have a different value for a certain things. For example CSGO keys on the Steam market cost 2,41€ but that doesn't mean they are worth 2,41€, in fact the true value is 2,1€ because this is how much you will get Steam wallet after you sell the key on the market (fees and stuff).

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I think I just said that the CS:GO and TF2 Key pages are'nt as Crazy as the guys who want to trade their Keycode, for Several of my Steam Gifts.

Usually in a Trade where I'm giving them at least $50 value for a Keycode to a Game that sells for $15 Non-sale Price.

On top of that, because I don't have 10,000+ Positive Feedback, they insist that I give them my Inventory Gifts, before they show me the Keycode.

So basicly, they want me to hand them $50, and pray for rain.

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Can you post which gifts (50$ value) they want from you for a 15$ game? I guess either one of you overptice their games or you just haven't found an honest and fair trader :)

And also, the usual rule in trading to go first whichever has the lowest rep. Unless buying games on demand, so TF2/CSGO keys go first and only then the other party sends gifts.

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Well, the "Saints Row Franchise Pack" is a Popular Demand. Other then that, I don't think I have anything that's individually $50, but they usually ask for 2-4 games, like say, Bully + Skyrim complete + Endless Legend, for Polarity as a Keycode.

Remember, I have the lower Rep, so I'm supposed to give them Bully + Skyrim + Endless Legend without any guarantee that I'll be getting anything back.

Many of these "Traders" put great stock in their exagerated Feedback, but have absolutely no CV on this Site.

Personally, I've never felt the Need to Bribe people to give me Feedback, but I have a few guilds I'm a part of, and I could simply ask them to all leave me Positive trade feedback.

Understand, that the Rep you so cherish is often bought for Penny's by other people, or even given away to Others who are part of a Group.

They just go to their Group chat and say "Hey, I need Positive Trade feedback!",
I'll give you all Rep if you give me Rep!

Tada! now they have maybe 200-300+ Rep, and they Did'nt even have to pay anything.

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Ok, good. Found both lowest prices for SR franchise pack and Starbound, each are going up from 5 keys, so it might seem like a "fair" trade, but I personally wouldn't trade either.

Bully + Skyrim LE + Endless Legend seems way too much for Starbound. That's a rip off for sure.

I understand that you have trust isues then it comes to trading but what's how the systems works. Either find someone with tradable gifts or trusted traders.

Also I've never heard of rep boosting in my ~3 years of trading, probably because I'm not a part of all those trading groups populated by the same people, nor I'm active in chats, so I don't really know what's going on there :)

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So, after seeing about the 10,000th trade page asking for CS:GO keys, I went on youtube to try and find out why they were so damn popular. I never did find aything that states a Direct reason, but I did find many Videos featuring every Dirty trick that CS:GO users and Steam Leechers Use.

The Rep system is one of their favorites, because they can Trade 1 item back and forth to build up "Trades" on their Steam account, then they have Everyone else who's Leeching offa steam sign their Rep Sites and Wall.

Done. A Brand new Trader with a Rep of 300+ is born overnight.

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And that is why rep on Steam profile isn't worth anything. All real traders know that.
But you can't get fake rep that easily here. If you see a trader with hundreds of positive feedbacks on SteamTrades, it's most likely legit. You can make sure by looking closer at the feedbacks left, and unless they are almost all from people with basically no rep, no worries.

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Just being Devils Advocate here, but, I think I mentioned that these people, especially the ones that are in a group that is willing to try and Cheat the system by giving Fake Feedback, most likely all the "other members" have a fake 200-300+ Rep.

Meaning that it would look like they only traded with the very best traders, and when you contact them, they act exactly like that.

They make you wait hours or Days! for their reply's, and if you tell them that you went elsewhere in the meantime, they get nasty and start accusing you of wasting their Time, and Threatening to ruin your Rep, because they're such Bigshot traders.

Never forget that these people are hackers, theives, and scam artists, and WILL find a way around any system!

Why do you think Valve has full time Security monitoring their Servers?

People are constantly trying to Hack them, and when a Hack works 1 time it works 1000, because everything is a Network now, and as soon as one of them finds a way through, the rest follow very quickly.

Then Valve does their best to repair the damage, but somewhere, somebody else is taking the profit.

Why do you think they put in the Region Locks?

Each Region has it's own unique threats, but as a World Wide Web of hackers, they were an almost unbeatable team.

Now that the Region locks are in place, Valve has made it so that the Security of each Region Server is Unique.

So not only did they stop the flow of money via the Community market, they also split the Regions in a manner where even if the system is comprimised in 1, it remains intact in the rest.

Of course someday people will find a way around that as well, If they have'nt already. ;-P

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OK, let's say that a large group of people pulls something like that here, they write each other +rep and get hundreds of +rep overnight.
What do you think will happen when they start scamming some users ? They'll get negative feedbacks, and unlike on your Steam wall, you can't delete a negative feedback here, and if you have any negative feedback, any sensible trader will take a closer look at it, even if you have hundred of positive feedbacks. It would quickly be exposed and brought to the attention of the mods, and anyonve involved would get permanently banned.

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Ah! but that's the beauty of the system. They actually make thousands of fake accounts this way!

1st, they Create a Steam account by activating some junk Key.

2nd, they set up the steam profile complete With everything you can imagine

3rd, they set up a BOT to siphon games into that account, stealing GA's from sites like this, that legit Users could have won.

4th, they let it Age. It gains more of Everything that makes it look like a Legit account after a year or two of setting up Bots to Play Everyting, From Bots on CS:GO to Bots on Events like the Summer Sale, they've established a Credible account.

5th, after using the account for every other concievable method of making money, they finally Sell it to a Scam Artist.

The Scam artist gets busted pretty quick, but the people who make the accounts don't care, they made as much money as they were gonna make off of it, and they're already "Growing" more accounts.

Now they also often use Stolen Accounts, and Impersonate a Reputable Trader as you know, so they're never short of Accounts to run their Scams.

So now you have an entire System that Starts out bad, and Ends bad, but the people running it make a lot of money. Enough money to make Valve go to the Extreme lengths I described earlier.

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oh and as for Mods and other people who might act on this, other then some Crazy posts on another site, and a few Videos anyone can look up on YouTube, Where's the Proof?

If you think they care about these "Throw away" accounts, or the Accounts they've Stolen, your Mistaken.

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Ha, but that's a completely different thing, I was only talking about Steamgifts accounts.
The point I was trying to make is that rep here is a lot harder to fake than rep on a Steam profile, so it's a much more reliable information.
And all these scammers mostly pry on inexperienced / gullible users. Rarely have I heard of a scam story where the scam couldn't have been exposed. Even if the scam can't completely be exposed, a cautious trader would likely find some red flags and cancel the trade, because they would know that it's better to be safe than sorry.

So yes, there are scammers and there will always be, because there will always be people that are easy to scam.

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And your Right, and they will always be caught, it's just 2 things, There's alway more people, and the Tools to Abuse are still there.

Frankly I feel that Steam should Require a Valid Credit card at all times, and Keep children from getting games by both verifying through the Credit card that an Adult is Paying, and Requiring customers with Children to either Sign away any right to complain, or use a Family share that Does'nt allow Teen+ games to be played by Children.

Frankly, with all the Illegal activities going on through Steam and the PC gaming community, I don't feel that it's a Child safe Enviroment, and I'm not even a Parent!!

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ah yes! the excuse that the game is rarely on sale. Ok, so as rare as the sales are for Starbound and Windward, they're even more rare for the "Historically Lowest Price" on Saints Row Franchise Pack on steam.

You want a "Saints Row Franchise Pack" for 10.99? Go find it on sale yourself. I know I waited all last year, and there were 2 steam sales, and only 1 was 10.99.

it was'nt even a Holiday sale. It was a Daily Deal, or maybe Midweek, or Weekend Deal.

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It might not be on sale right now, but traders have it for 6-8 keys, so that is basically what your gift is worth when trading.
So you can't really say "it's worth $50", when trading it is only worth what other traders are asking for it.

Windward & Starbound seem to be worth 5-6 keys, so your gift is worth slightly more, but it's not that far off

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That makes sense, but it's not my fault, and seeing that it's the Single most expensive Item in my inventory, it's something I'd only trade for a "Gift" of similar Value, not a Keycode that cost 30 cents.
(1/10th of a $3 bundle = 30 cents).

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Yes, obviously, but I thought you were trying to get Starbound & Windward, is that not what you were talking about ?

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No, I offered "SR4 Complete" <(All DLC included) for starbound, and for Windward individually.

Each time the answer was "Would you trade Saints Row Ultimate Franchise Pack for it?"

To which I said no, because I simply don't have the kind of money it would take to throw an item like that at every person who thinks their Keycode is gods gift to the world.

The people who are selling it at that lower price will run out eventually, and while I never expect the game to be worth full value, I definitely feel I should be able to trade it for a Decent Game, or similar Package Deal, like the
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/54014/ since we're getting back into the realm of ridiculousness.

The Franchise Pack isn't "A Game" it's 3 Games, that they want to get for 1 game, that isn't even a Steam Gift.

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SR4 Game of the Century Edition seems to be worth 4 keys, so you could offer to add 1 key to the trade for example.
Or if trading for your franchise pack, you could ask them for 2 keys in addition to Windward / Starbound.

Also key =/= bundle games. Probably they bought it from GMG or some other store, but it's far from being worth $0.30, these games have never been bundled.
Of course I can understand you concern of having to send your gift and only getting your key afterwards, but couldn't you find a trader offering these games as Steam gifts ? I'm sure there must be some

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It's been on sale for $13.74 5 times since December 02, 2014, and then was $10.99 on June 22nd 2015, ie during the Steam Summer Sale that just ended.

Because the historic low is from the absolute most recent large sale, it will be rather heavily traded, as well as currently being traded more towards that $10.99 low.

Their prices were perfectly fair, you seem to just have totally unreasonable expectations tbh.

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Really? Do you have a copy you're willing to trade for a Starbound Keycode?

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No, but why would I? I already have Starbound, bought it shortly after it was initially released on the Humble Store. I generally do not trade games, but instead buy TF2/CS:GO keys to purchase games via trading. I've done a bit of trading, but I would not consider myself a full fledged trader, and am specifically a buyer not a seller.

That said, if I didn't already own Starbound, and I had purchased SR:UFP for $10.99, yes, I would gladly make that trade as it's a perfectly fair offer. I would happily pay $10.99 trade value for a game I wanted with a trade value of $10.49, no question. Trading something I bought for $10.99 for something they bought for $10.49 is them making about 4.6% profit off me, whilst I am saving about 30% off the non-sale price of Starbound. That's win-win, and I think I'd be getting the bigger win there receiving almost all the savings from a sale price I'd missed out on.

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Scroll up, they were'nt offering "Gifts" They were offering Keycodes, and they wanted me to give them the "Gift" 1st, then sit and pray that they don't screw me.

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If they have higher rep than you, you must either go first, or convince them to use a trusted middleman.

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I didn't say anything about them giving gifts or keycodes at all, and I'm well aware of what you said. Being a gift or a keycode changes nothing in value there. Starbound is unbundled, with a lowest price of $10.49. Technically you could argue that Starbound was sort of bundled, once... One Humble Bundle had a special thing once where they had 1000 Starbound codes for the first 1000 people to pay like $10 or $15 for a bundle. Either way, the effective value is unchanged - $10.49 is the fair trading value of Starbound, so my answer does not change.

However, I would only make a trade where I go first with a gift item for a keycode if it was an extremely trusted trader that I had traded with in the past. Generally keycodes are a more iffy trade, so I'm extra wary of them. That does not alter value, just my level of caution in approaching the trade.

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Okay, so I don't even know why Starbound is so damn expensive, sure it's not on sale often, but as far as I can see, it's a Side Scroller, while the Saints Row Games are Fully Fledged
"Open World Enviroments".

I get that I bought a Lemon. Here I thought the Franchise Pack would be a worthwhile Buy, but now it's practically worthless I guess, Oh well! I'll save them for gifts to my Nieces and Nephews.

I have a about a 2 dozen relatives that'll appreciate it a lot more then the "Traders" that are just trying to Milk me for Cash, and won't accept Gem Sacks.

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It's not that Starbound is expensive. It's also a lot more than just a side scroller, you'd have to play it and Terraria and try the game styles to see if you really like them, but if you do they will suck away parts of your life. Fantastic games.

And it's not that SR Franchise Pack is a lemon either. It's also several fantastic games (I have not yet played 2, as I started with 3 and ended up with 2 from a bundle).

The issue here isn't good versus bad, or that something is somehow disproportionately expensive, or anything like that. Both Starbound and the SR games are fantastic in entirely different ways. The thing is that, by actual sale prices, they are roughly equivalent value. People could buy Starbound for $10.49, and people could buy SR Franchise for $10.99, during the recent sale. As such, the going value for them is closely equal to that sale price - which is largely the point of trading: snagging those games you missed a sale on for something really close to that sale price, or snagging bundles/bundled games you missed for close to their bundle value, etc.

The issue here is basically just your mindset on it: You are viewing things based on FULL PRICES, and assigning things to totally different tiers of value based on that, whilst all of trading is built around the LOWEST PRICES and having everyone getting a win-win deal from it - eg a trader makes $0.50 on a trade, but you saved $5 off the current price of the game. Another aspect of trading is being able to take Steam Wallet funds from card sales and such and use them in trade (via Gem Sacks rarely, TOD, TF2/DOTA2/CS:GO keys, Ref, etc) to purchase things like bundles/bundle games/etc that normally you couldn't buy with Steam funds because they aren't directly sold by Steam.

If you take the time to get to understand trading in a bit more depth, learn more about the historic prices (steamprices is your friend just as much as isthereanydeal - https://www.steamprices.com/us/) then you'll start to see how this all works, and how the effective value of Starbound and the SR Franchise Pack are equivalent.

Again, it's not about something being somehow more awesome, or people assigning some kind of arbitrary prices based on love and popularity, etc - It's largely just based on the most recent sale prices, where people have snagged extra copies of these games in order to trade them.

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OMG! I really hope that Starbound isn't like Terraria. I think the only reason I wanted it was that the name sounded like "Earthbound" and I'd KILL for a Legit copy of "Earthbound" on PC, and not an Emulator. T.T

Yes, I know there are websites where I can play it for free, but the game takes way too long, and I don't feel right playing a Pirated game.

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the thing is, it is a terraria-like game. i expected something else too, like a 2d minecraft, but it's so limited i "only" played it for ~50hs.
they patched it a lot since i stopped playing it so i suppose there are more things to do now in-game.

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+1

As for buying copies for TF2/CSGO keys, your best bet is to find traders from a region that has discounted prices, and no region lock (Japan comes to mind.) Eg. I managed to snag BattleBlock Theater for 1 TOD + 2 ref, when its lowest sale price was 1.5$.

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Yeah, a guy I know claimed once that he could get them for $0.90 per, but also would'nt name his Source so shrug.

Personally, I feel the system is completely broken, I don't know why Steam even Bothers.

One of the videos I saw showed a guy actually "Hack" Steam, creating 50 accounts with CS:GO, which he intended to use for "Farming" Chroma Cases. T.T

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Supply & demand.
I can confirm people tend to value their precious games a bit too high ;)
I always start high and if I see no offers for some time I slightly go lower till I find a buyer (or end up making a giveaway for it).
Most common for me: offering bundle games for non-bundle games.

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So I'd be happy to trade a game like Red Faction for a Bundle Key that's a Game I want, but my Bundle packs on steam are either for 1 game of the same value (Example: a 29.99 game, for a 29.99 bundle) or other Bundles of similar Value.

Now if I had asked for Starbound + Windward + Oceanhorn, I'd expect that they'd ask for the Franchise pack, and maybe some more to boot.

I will now repeat it again, I was offered Keys for Gifts, I was Told to give them the Gifts, and wait for the Keycode.

This isn't just a trust issue, they're most likely already making a Profit from the "Gifts", if that was'nt what they were after, if they were just after a good game for a good game, they'd have made that kinda offer, they're goal was to take as much from me for as little as they could give, and that does'nt lend itself to Trust. Instead they want to Talk Money, okay, well, I have a Stack of about 80 Gem Sacks, I'm not gonna go out of my way to buy them Keys. They can do that with the Proceeds they Make from the Gems.

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I don't trade...

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Would you mind giving a nudge in the right direction to where you found such a good deal on Starbound? Haven't found any trade offers that save anything over just buying it retail at full price right now.

Thanks.

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I don't usually recomend them, but when you want to know what a Game is Really worth, "G2A . com".

They sell their games like the Stock market, so when a Game tanks like Batman: Arkham Knight did, you can buy it uber cheap.

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Not realy I know lots of good and honest traders, I trade only when I need game, and Im only trading close to equale to 1:1 price, but yes I must agree , lots of greedy traders I saw here :D

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I'm thinking I should just give up and Sell everything in my inventory, then never even think of the word Trade ever again.

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I'm also thinking it was a bad idea to open a Discussion while I have a GA for
Batman: Arkham Knight Premium Edition running.

For those of you that think that because I was able to do that as a GA, that I must
have loads of Money, I bought the Key from my Least Favorite Site for $26, and
I'm not gonna name them a 2nd time in the same thread.

I want lvl6 so I qualify for several Groups of like minded individuals,
and AAA games give more CV then Gibs.

Well, not CV, but they make your level go up faster. I think it's based off of the
same formula as the Midsummer Madness Event.

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lol. Falling asleep at the Keyboard here. I'm Finally gonna have to STFU. :-)

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Oy vey!

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