^^ its in no way a sale. just the base game prices from years ago
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yeah.. I really would like to pick up Darksouls 2 and maybe the Remastered Version of DS1, just to complete my collection.. but for a reasonable price. 50% off is what they offered as the normal price for people that already owned the Prepare to Die-version.
I agree that 75% off would be a more realistic offer.
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They just value their work and honestly their games are worth every penny.
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Not necessarily, but I can't argue the quality of the games they released through the years. And they are now roughly around the 70% off mark with their most expensive titles.
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Bandai namco is the publisher, not From soft. They decide on the pricing and sale.
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Yes, you are right, but I feel my statement stands. There other franchises published by Namco that had better discounts during sales, but a selected few are still kept at high price, including FromSoftware titles. I'm probably biased because I like the Dark Souls franchise, but I believe that quality of these games dictate the price, not greed for the sake of greed.
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Though I can understand your logic here, I believe the problem people have (correct me if I am wrong, people), is not that the games cost too much for what they are, but they raised the prices of said games over the years with no additional content. I love DS as well, and the game content and quality are definitely up there, but what they are doing here it seems contrary to the industry standard in pricing.
Especially, if we think about poorer countries wanting a bite at the decade old franchise, if the prices are jacked up and the price with discounts are what the base price used to be, that's still a high bar for those people to get in. If the game isn't actively being updated with QOL or content, is it justified to raise prices on an older game? For me, if I did that with my work, I'd feel ashamed of myself for trying to milk people after the fact.
Sure they are the dev and the publisher, and they have a right to set the price at whatever they feel is fair can milk customers for, but as a customer we have the right to say Nope, not worth it to me. Those that do feel it is worth it, will buy and play and enjoy. That's fine, no judgement here.
I actually posted the last DS franchise sale, the first one that happened in a long time, and it was the same discount. I was actually thinking of buying it until comments started appearing in the post that they doubled their prices over the years and now this was the normal price on sale. I said nope quicker than a duck could float. I'm not cool with that type of discount.
I think, seeing that they went more than a few years without discounts (and higher prices), even AFTER having their games in HB monthly bundles (and eventually a DS bundle), showed that they weren't worried about pricing, and they felt they were getting enough sales for the titles. Now that they're coming out with these discounts, I'm suspecting the sales numbers are starting to drop off, and they are giving in to throwing out discounts to continue to keep the sales up. I believe if we keep waiting, there will be another bundle from HB or some better discounts in the coming year or two.
That's fine with me, DS gameplay isn't just DS any more. I'll pop open Mortal Shell or Hellpoint again, or try my hand at Lords of the Fallen (original) or Code Vein while I wait to pick up DS1 and my one missing DS3 DLC. Will they be as good? That's a matter of opinion. Will they scratch the git gud itch? Yup, and that's what I care about.
Note, stream of consciousness dump here, not attempting to beat down your comment, just went with my mind diarrhea. :)
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Hi, my opinion was strictly related to pricing in EU where I'm located and the quality of the content offered, so I really appreciate your thoughts on this matter which added other relevant elements in the mix. Fresh perspectives are always helpful for a better understanding of an issue.
In EU prices remained unchanged from the very beginning and I'm sure there are other regions in the same situation. I guess it sucks for countries with poorer economy located in these regions. And then there were other regions, where these titles cost only a fraction of the price. For example in Argentina, according to SteamDB, Dark Souls III was around 2€ in Nov 14 2017 compared to the regular price of 60€ you had to pay in EU. While EU economy is doing much better there are still countries in EU that do maybe 2-3 times better than Argentina.
I would definitely call that unfair.
There were some regional adjustments, so in Jul 9 2021, over 5 years after launch, the price increased to around 8€ in Argentina. This was an uncommon approach and looks pretty unfair, mostly for newcomers. The rest had ample opportunities to buy the game, especially during sale. And some went further, saw this as a opportunity to profit, by reselling to other, more expensive regions. I would like to point out the titles that appeared in Humble Bundles were launched before the price increase and people benefiting the most from them, were those in expensive regions like EU, rather than poorer countries, because the latter already had similar prices. Dark Souls Remastered didn't even make it to a bundle, but then again in Argentina you could get it for a little over 3€ until the price increase in Feb 1 2023 when it got to a little over 15€, while in Europe regular price has always been 40€. Again, it sucks for newcomers, the rest had over 5 years to get the title cheap.
The fact that there's no additional content added throughout the years to justify the price is one way of looking at the situation. Another is to appreciate the fact that for all intents and purposes these games are complete, There are plenty of incomplete/buggy games these days, similarly priced or even higher, that developer still work on after launch, either to include content that should have been available at launch or to fix an ungodly amount of bugs and/or other issues. Also, I would like to think that Dark Souls games offer relevant content, not content for the sake of content, like the repetitive bloated time-sinkers from Ubisoft.
I'm not a fan of Namco prices myself, but my complaints are mostly aimed at the DLC/Season Pass pricing which is absurd for people owning the base version and want to upgrade vs new customers buying the complete package for less. They also don't like to offer deep discounts for additional content. For example Scarlet Nexus Ultimate Edition was on sale a couple of times for over 80% off, while the Upgrade To Ultimate Edition only reached 50% off, essentially making the complete package cheaper than the upgrade. Even at 80% off Ultimate Edition will be cheaper Vs Base + Ultimate Upgrade. Even smaller games like Little Nightmares suffer from this and don't even get me started on Tekken 7. But this is Namco standard pricing for you, this is the way they are conducting their business. Like you've said people could buy similar titles from other publishers rather than insist on buying from them.
In the end it's the customer who decides if the asked price is affordable and aligned with what a game has to offer. I'm definitely biased, but I personally think the Dark Souls games (especially in their final forms Remastered, Scholar, Fire Fades) are worth the asking price for what they offer. Being pissed at the fact you've missed a much better price because the publisher dared to adjust the regional pricing is not helpful. If the current price is unsuitable, wait for a price decrease or bundle like you've also pointed out, because sooner or later sales will drop.
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its called a scam.
they increased the base game price by 100% so that sale just sets it back to normal selling price from 5 years ago
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Who wants to give 30 bucks for almost a decade old game. Not me
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Thanks for the heads-up, paco7533, and for the time and effort you put into making this thread.
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Dark Souls 3 was cheaper 6 years ago than it is now...
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Even 2 years ago, I paid 17.99$ for Deluxe at the end of 2021.
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every time its a 50% off FAKE sale cause they raised the base price of all these games by 100%... so its just back to default price for old games
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i hate japanese companies man, they make great games but their business policy is as shitty as the country's work condition. This shit is overpriced as fuck, and plus, they removed the original dark souls prepare to die edition to let just the remastered one, wich is 3 times more expensive.
(im not even going to mention nintendo lmao, because if i do, i won't shut up). I think capcom is the less bad of the big ones
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Ppl complaining about the prices obviously aren't fans so they can shut up for all i care, they have no idea that these games didn't sell well at all and the only reason Elden Ring ever released is bc of ppl like me who actually bought it so before you respond whatever dumb thing came first to your mind do keep that in mind.
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You know it's illegal to jerk yourself off in public like that, ye?
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https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Souls
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Souls
You call this not selling well?
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I think they may refer to the original Dark Souls at the beginning. There was a heavy campaign originally for From Software to even consider bringing it to PC, it arrived on PC only after a year of console exclusivity. Then the series became as much of a hit on PC as well, as it did.
(Obviously, being a trailblazer for a new series is entirely different, than disliking only a 50% discount on games that are close to a decade old. We'll never get to know how it was to play the game uphill both ways, in the snow)
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Those are current sale numbers and are actually really small numbers for a whole franchise, specially one as ground breaking as Dark Souls, a single CoD game sells just as much:
"Updated Aug 17, 2021"
Call Of Duty: Black Ops – 30.72 Million
Call Of Duty: Black Ops II – 29.59 Million
Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 – 30.71 Million
Call Of Duty: Ghosts – 28.98 Million
Thanks for making my point i guess
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You forgot to mention From Software has 423 employees and Activision has 13000. From Software is swimming in money xTimes, because Activision is swimming in money already. Around 300 people worked on Elden Ring, while over 3000 worked on COD MWII like 2 years ago. 10x difference. Obviously there's a lot more going on in a competitive fps shooter than in a souls like game, but to say they were struggling financially is delusional.
You're also forgetting how many licenses activision has to get for their cod games for all their assets, vs from software which probably has little to no licenses because you ain't gonna go out irl and find anything you'd find in a from software game other than grass which is free to touch.
Also as much as we all hate activision for similar pricing practices, they at least have a portfolio of different games, from software's been re-releasing the same games with a few changes and their fans fall for it every time. Like damn how much effort must've gone into this one huh. Ah shit it's actually just like the other one that's so good!
And while we could say they both copy and paste the same games to some degree, from software can only do souls games, and activision pretty much just does cod, cod is a much more intricate thing to make than a souls game and requires some pretty amazing optimization to allow for smooth gameplay it does with so many people and accuracy especially with the anticheats they employ which are only an extra burden because of some losers who can play normally.
EDIT: RIP I just saw this is 1 year old, but my point stands, someone else necroed below not me xD, I couldn't let your pov go unnoticed.
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From Software games has such fans that even after purchasing it on PC they go to buy them on PS3 and PS4 for platinum trophies (like me lol)
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If it only had regional pricing. I would have been able to bought it even at 50% discount. Sekiro has 31.99$ base price in south asia which is shocking considering Activision games. Even Elden Ring is 50$ in South Asia compared to Dark souls 3 base game of 60$.
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Was -50% only so 19.99$.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/211420/view/3008952177464493480
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I'll wait for them to get removed off steam before I buy them at those prices. It's been 10 years, move on, create something new, grow, have a new idea from software. They got all those fans, all that money, all those sales, all that popularity and still sell them for 50% off 10 years later. From software is just Activision andy lookalikes it seems.
Whatever happened to game dev studios having ideas? They just forgot what "ideas" are? We live in an age where they can just ask chatgpt to give them a script and go off that and they still have nothing new going on for years now just keep milking this same cow. They just can't make anything different. If that's not washed out, idk. It's been 10 years From Software some of your employees died of old age in this time, seems you got no appreciation for how long that actually is.
Fine with me $ spent better somewhere else but every year I see them in the same exact sale I wonder why steam even bothers showing their ads anywhere. Redundant at this point, but maybe this does someone some good.
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Ideas like Bloodborne, Elden Ring, Deracine, Sekiro, and Armored Core VI you mean? I can't think of the last time FS released a bad game. Even DS2 was excellent.
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Yes, they all look and play the same. Deracine being the exception which I didn't even know about, and seems no one really has tbh. Not saying they're bad games, but I think they just made an engine for a souls game and now they're gonna make 1000 souls games. You look at other game devs and they're able to try new things.
I'm just saying, if they're gonna stick to the same engine, same code, same formula, might as well give some massive discounts on the games, if the other devs can. The sales are there. I don't think it's wrong of me to say they're greedy in this scenario at all. They can do whatever they want of course it is their game, doesn't make it less greedy when other studios can manage what they can't both in creation and pricing. Calling it out isn't wrong, just upsets the fan boys, and I'm willing to deal with that.
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ultimately surely it would be their publishers who set the pricing? aka Bandai Namco
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They're way too big to need a publisher in the first place at this point, and I mean after DS2, so I don't know what the deal with that is. Maybe they just know people already expect bandai's prices to be shitty since that's a trend with bandai, so it's a good escape goat for them. Otherwise no clue what bandai could offer them. I can't imagine they don't have a final say as the dev what the price is. Like if the publisher wants to force a price and you don't, you say "ok I go a different direction you go a different direction and publish whoever else you want".
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FromSoftware really aren't that big of a dev company. sure they've grown a fair bit since Dark Souls' success, but ultimately I can sympathise with the need to have support for worldwide publishing. I doubt anyone at FromSoft has consciously gone "ah yes we will stick with publishers because they will price our games x way for x amount of years".
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They're big at 423 employees with a revenue of $103.5 million. If that's not big idk. A lot of people be acting like FS is an indie company. They probably just didn't care cause the fans seem to blindly follow anyways and buy x copies on x platforms. Why not take the easy route and sign your soul to a publisher regardless of what the practices are when people buy multiple copies for whatever reason and treats them like they're new to making games and it's their first project. I ain't even gonna blame the publisher, it's still FS's fault for doing it. When I was a kid they used to ask "If someone told you to jump of a bridge would you do it" when they didn't like how something was done, seems the same to me with FS.
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"You look at other game devs and they're able to try new things."
Maybe more so in indie space,in AAA even the most praised devs play it safe more often than not.
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I mean look at bethesda tho. Same # of employees and revenue, much more diversified portfolio with some of the best hits of all time, yet they still get hate despite their games being much more complex than FS games will ever be. It's just weird seeing it happen to bethesda although I don't agree with al their choices either, but weirder to see all the people jump to from software's defense like no they can't be greedy it's impossible. It's fact not questionable, the data is out there. Either someone at from software is stealing money or there's no explanation.
I think part of why a indie devs give bigger discounts more consistently is because if they don't the game dies pretty fast and no one remembers it at all.
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Armored Core is nothing like the Souls games whatsoever. Elden Ring was clearly innovative. Sekiro offered gameplay options not really found in Souls games. Bloodborne emphasized a different way of playing a souls game.
But what you're also saying is the creator of the genre shouldn't continue to build on and innovate within the genre they created.
And while I'm sure they want random people deciding how much of a discount they should offer for their games, the reality is they don't really need to do so. The "if everyone else does it, so should they" argument isn't really a strong platform to stand on. Calling someone offering half off of something 'greedy' is one of those declarations that gives a person the look of extreme self entitlement. I'd say it's less calling out a company and more calling out yourself.
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I'm not sure I can call this a problem, but you need to play the games, or consume enough media to know about the differences - the design, the tempo, the mobility - these aren't just Swordsman Hardgame, the game series.
And if somebody just yells at the developers "from outside", complaining about the price point and it not being cheaper, and being the same, it's likely that your reasoning will also fall on deaf ears. You can't convince somebody who wants supermarket prices, that there is a reason a high-end knife set has multiple knives, and they cost multiple times of a common household one.
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So they adjusted some movement and potion sliders in ui and that's that different? I can spot those differences thanks, I don't think they could replicate 1:1 even if they wanted to without copying exact values from source and even then I'm sure someone would fuck it up, doesn't mean they don't play exactly the same. You're going to adjust to the movement, tempo, mobility in 5 minutes. Every person I've seen go for their first DS playthrough struggled like hell at first, they just weren't getting the parry and dodge. Kinda weird tho, when they eventually played elden ring, sekiro etc, they already knew the controls, understood the mechanics, and had much less of a hassle getting to the end. Yet elden ring is one of the harder ones, isn't it? Would you say that's coincidence?
The thing is, this same company was selling this game for much less. I never asked for the new games to be sold for less, farm those games since they're recent, fresh, etc. But for old games they've already sold at half the current discount price, many years ago, they can't even match that, or go slightly lower? Like what are they struggling financially with games like elden ring getting #1 on steam? I'm pointing out greed, you don't have to like it, but it is there. I'm not saying they don't have a right to price it whatever they want. A ferrari is overpriced, but it's known to be a luxury item you wouldn't get to use as a regular car and you wont get rights to go faster on the road or something. Still overpriced, still greedy company, they still don't produce more to create artificial rarity. Why? Because they can. Does that make them kinda shitty, yes, yes it does.
The problem with your analogy is that it doesn't work, for multiple reasons. One the 99.9% of people use supermarket knives or whatever. They do more than fine. There's a few fanboys who want those "super rare handcrafted in the mount of blabla bla under the rain and piss soaked beliefs unnecessary mega sharp katana blade to cut onions in the kitchen make sure it's cleaned with period blood". The problem with that mentality is that you should just ask FS for their build that pushes everything to the max then, and make sure you have a rocket pc that can run it. Because as beautiful as these games already do run, they've been toned down to work on some of the older generations. I can guarantee you FS could release a build that wouldn't work on anything but a 4090, but that would destroy their sales obviously. So no, you can't compare FS games against other games in the industry like they're the absolute best of video games, considering how many amazing games are out there including classics, and how many studios are constantly pushing forward.
No one said to go buy the cheapest knife possible you can find somewhere. It's still a AAA game, but they're over 10 years old. You'd imagine technology improved in this time. If a company got more successful and they got new knifes they are probably mass producing at this point rather than making them in their garage, and if all they basically make is knives(with 2 exceptions fine that ps5 game and armored core knifes lol), you'd imagine they'd have an easier time making them because they're not starting from scratch, while other production companies constantly start from scratch and still delivers and they still bring amazing prices for their older products that they now mass produce.
Interested in your counter argument.
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I think I'm just boring, because I don't really have a horse in this race, and at the end of the day, it's From Software and/or Bandai Namco making the call at pricing.
My analogy may be bad, they aren't multi-purpose :) The original direction of it in my head was that lots of things can be done with cheap tools / one can have fun with cheaper / different games. It's not not necessarily better for everyday use (or everyday user) to have the more expensive option. It's a niche thing, and I don't even blame people who are looking weird at people buying super specialized tools or games (both may or may not be more pretentious, than good), there are games or things I like for 5-10€, but wouldn't even touch for 60€.
At the end of the day it's not mandatory to buy / play everything while there are myriads of alternatives , and being agitated about pricing does little.
(Yes, most games definitely could go down to 5-10€ during a sale, I agree. But at the end, they choose not to do that, and we can't do anything about the price, other than get a used physical copy for consoles, or pirating it.)
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I believe it's more FS than Bandai, since Bandai's been discounting some of their older titles properly at 75% off. $20 at 50% off for DS2 assuming it's value is still $40 must be FS's decision, where Bandai sets the game price at $40 and FS sets the discount max at 50%. Bandai's also been bundling their stuff with the exception of FS so that's on FS too.
Trying to understand your analogy, but isn't that fanboyism them? You seem to create a illusion that souls games are somewhere above any other games just because they're souls games hence why them going on discount just 50% is just as reasonable as other AAA games going on discount maybe even 95%. Yet you wouldn't buy some of those AAA games for full price because you're used to the higher% discounts they eventually give on them, but you would a FS game? That is fanboyism. So this stresses my opinion doesn't it make FS kinda shitty for going lower in price multiple years ago, then for many years now maintaining the same discount? That's all I'm saying.
"At the end of the day it's not mandatory to buy / play everything while there are myriads of alternatives."
Completely reasonable and I fully agree hence why I don't buy from them, that doesn't mean talking about it is bad. There's nothing wrong with pointing out something you see as wrong. I do find it strange they get threads tho listed with "deal 50% off" although we already know they're not about to price it at 40% off, so it's not like you can get a worse deal on this game, you can't get a better one either. So isn't the thread redundant and pointless? Not trying to attack OP, but this isn't the first time I see someone do this. Why is it even worth mentioning it? If I made a thread saying "X game is on 50% same sale it's been over for 7 years, go get it now!" and it wasn't a souls game people would probably lose their mind. Maybe I'll even test that theory, I'll see if I can find something or if you know a game let me know. I might try it with an activision game.
" and being agitated about pricing does little"
I mean it isn't going to change prices, and I wouldn't say I'm agitated, but I'll call out their bs. It does upset the hardcore fans of the genre but I mean I don't mind discussing it.
"(Yes, most games definitely could go down to 5-10€ during a sale, I agree. But at the end, they choose not to do that, and we can't do anything about the price, other than get a used physical copy for consoles, or pirating it.)"
They don't have to go to $5 or $10 if they're new games. Someone might interpret this as me thinking their new titles should be cheap, to which I disagree, I'm just thinking they're milking the oldest cow to death on dark souls. I'm also not craving to play another souls game, as I kinda mentioned they all look and play the same, so it's not like much is missed. But if the discount was appropriate I'd like to get them for my collection maybe one day my opinion changes and I want to run them through. I collect video games but there's no edition of DS I'd collect cause they never made one and I wouldn't sail the sea unless they abandoned the game, which I doubt they would based on their current stance to run it at this price point till eternity. It's not like they're adding anything else to the game, it's not like they're doing improvements graphically, technically, etc. So it makes no sense why after all these years it would maintain the same price, after it has run it's course and made the sales many years ago. That's why I'm confident in calling them greedy. It isn't like they're going to improve on it somehow to make it maintain the same value permanently till the end of civilization in this day and age. That's why I said I'll wait for them to get removed from steam before I buy whatever I'm missing, and because of their stance on this pricing I'm avoiding FS games all together. I still talk shit about them when I see them hyped up for no reason. I did the same with GTAV when it got a console exclusive and it came to the pc at the full price while being discounted on consoles, then I think I got it in a mystery bundle of some sort so I was like cool.
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I'll give Armored Core to you, it looks pretty indie and barebone so I've had no interest in it tho so I haven't seen much gameplay. Elden Ring is just another souls game, they did good on the formula, but it's the same stuff.
Souls games are just arpg's with certain mechanics dealing with what how you spawn, heal and deal with the boss. It's just a mechanic. I'm talking about the engine. They all look the same and play the same. Sure there's some small mechanical differences between each, but is the respawn system he same in sekiro as it is in elden ring as it is in dark souls? I think so, maybe I haven't see enough videos on it. Don't know about bloodborne but I'm guessing yes on that too. Is the travel system the same? Probably. Is the inventory management the same, I think so, I mean between elden ring/sekiro/ds I can't tell what the difference is other than some graphical one.
Nothing wrong with nurturing it, go all out, all I'm saying is it makes no sense to me why other studios can give discounts while providing a wide rage of different types of video games across different engines and fromsoftware is stuck on the same pricing despite using the same formula.
I'm also confused why their fans treat it as a small indie dev company with 2 employees and janitor that is a startup. Like they've been around a long time and they have a big ass revenue. Is it cause people like to speedrun the game and do multiple runs? Is it cause once you master parry and dodge in one game the rest become basically self explanatory so they enjoy that simplicity of not having to learn new mechanics and getting better at a new game? isn't that technically playing the same game, which they so adamantly claim it's not?
As for the discounts it has nothing to do with random people or me as you imply. I don't think I specified an exact amount and I also specified they can price it whatever they want. Fuck it they can price it $100 and desperate fans like you will buy the "remaster redone 4k reimagined game of the year edition" or something. I know that. They don't have to do so, and just because everyone does it doesn't mean they have to, but it isn't wrong to point out despite their success, despite how well they're doing, and how old some of their games are, they can't even do a more decent discount at least match what they did what 7 years ago? To make it worse why is it even mentionable that it's on sale, like.... is it relevant anymore? We already know every year it gets the same sale. You don't see me make a thread about every 50% game on steam probably because it ain't much of a deal especially when it's been this same exact sale for multiple years in a row now and it's gonna show up like idk 3 more times till the end of the year probably. PS: I never asked for a big discount on any of their newer titles for clarification. I'm just amazed DS1 is priced higher than what it was selling on a discount like 7 years ago or whatever.
I don't know what about this is calling out myself and not them. I pointed out how they're basically standing out for being the more greedy of the industry and that's calling out myself. Didn't know calling out greed is a bad thing, but I do know it upsets fanboys. You are the FS obsessed fan I'm talking about. You can kiss their ass all you want and try and reverse it on me, but you're not going to be able to prove my point wrong with "self entitlement" or other bullshit baits, I personally would like to see a proper argument not blindly following FS like it's your god. Also I already own some of their games, and I'm not interested in the other ones at the current prices since again I think they're the same and I dare you to show me otherwise(other than armored core I gave you that one).
Like you could've compared this with Bethesda if you wanted, basically the same # of employees, basically the same revenue, but they're trying out new things, working on new things, and they're not afraid to appreciate their community by giving discounts on their way older titles as they release new ones. Yes they had some flops, some mid's, and a lot of greats. Sure they got Fallout and Elder Scrolls and you could say they farmed Skyrim like a dying horse, but their variety of games dominates FS. Their engine and creativity dominates FS. Their game complexity dominates FS. Yet they receive a lot of pointless hate probably because of how intricate their games are, vs FS who made a simple ass game with a dodge, parry and travel system to have you blindly foam at the mouth like it's your drug of choice and you feel I'm in the wrong for calling them out on that practice. You can't be serious, but I'll entertain if you want to continue.
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Holy wall of text, lol.
But no, there's no fanboyism. Just pointing out how your entire argument is based off the premise that you have a false idea of what greed looks like. At no point can a company offering 50% off of their products be called greedy for offering 50% off. It really doesn't matter how much you personally think they should devalue their stuff to satisfy your idea of what their games' values are. The rest of that insane and incredibly lengthy rant is just filled with stuff you made up that literally has no relation to or bearing on the topic with a splash of demonstrating no real knowledge of the games being discussed. Yikes.
And as a common courtesy, compress your thoughts into one or two paragraphs next time. Spending that much time being wrong and making so many false assumptions at the same time can't be healthy for you. And reading all that nonsense can't be healthy for me or anyone else, lol. Cheers.
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You read all that including the last paragraph and your conclusion was that no they aren't greedy. It's not stuff I made up. That is bethesda's staff count, that is bethesda's revenue, that is bethesda's portfolio. So if you want to look at a good of the industry, bethesda seems to be it.
You keep derailing and going off track trying to throw random shade but you're not going to spend the time disproving my arguments. I did, that's why it's so long. That's why you're wrong, and that's why I end up being right. I'm ok with you having your opinion and me mine. You seem to think though as I should have your opinion. Not even close, you can't even support your opinion with a proper argument without going into lala land about what you think about me. You're weak.
"At no point can a company offering 50% off of their products be called greedy for offering 50% off. It really doesn't matter how much you personally think they should devalue their stuff to satisfy your idea of what their games' values are. ". We differ in opinion here clearly. They had already sold it for 50% less of the current 50% many years ago when their portfolio included way less games. I didn't devalue anything, they did themselves many years ago, and it's common practice in the industry especially for digital games. This isn't wine it doesn't appreciate over time, it's "common courtesy" that after many many years you slowly discount your games more and more as you release new titles and continue to grow. They're an anomaly and so I called them out, nothing wrong with that, but as I said it upsets the fanboys. Doesn't mean they have to do it no one is forcing them to, but doesn't mean they don't stand out negatively in the industry vs everyone else.
I don't care for "common courtesy", either you want to learn and understand or you don't. You don't, and it's fine with me, but I gave you the data and I ain't gonna let it pass as you thinking you had something going by diverting from the topic and discussing literally anything but the topic. You took the time to reply for no reason, instead of taking the time to try and demolish my arguments, not that you could, which I already knew. You complain about the length of the message but if you actually wanted to support FS you could try and construct an argument yourself but it would be just as long if not longer to attempt to make any sense. Easy for you to call it nonsense and resort to other attacks like calling it a rant when you can't back up your own argument. Heck you're ranting to me with 0 info to back yourself up by your own definition. I'd say this makes yours nonsense and fanboyism as I stated. Anyone else who wants to read it can literally look at the last paragraph alone for instance and look up the data themselves if they want to question me. Not sure how you'd try to argue against it but gl.
If it's too long don't read it. I'm ok with you living in wonderland. Take care.
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It's definitely too long for what likely amounts to "nah-ah", lol. Some excellent advice I can offer is to gather your thoughts in a more concise manner. It'll serve you well. Not everything needs to be a rant in essay form. Cheers!
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I'll pass on the advice and whatever you think would serve me well. Keep them for yourself or maybe make some proper arguments next time. I'll end it here cause now I'm also pointlessly derailing from the topic too just like you are, since you weren't even trying to participate so it's hard to carry a 1 sided conversation. Take care.
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It's weird how the tears come across in written form. Interesting though.
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Few dollars less on Fanatical https://www.fanatical.com/en/franchises/dark-souls
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Why is this always the case? Whenever a game is sale on Fanatical and Steam, Fanatical is always a little cheaper, even without a coupon.
Possibly something to do with some VAT or some other fees I don't know about?
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First guess is that that these developers ask for steam keys from valve(valve doesn't take any % on keys sold, only on stuff sold directly on steam) and then the devs make a deal with the bundle site for a deal that's better than what steam takes. So steam takes 30% on whatever sells on steam but they don't take anything on the keys sold on another platform. So they make 0 there. So From software likely goes to fanatical, and tells them they get 85% and they'll let fanatical keep 15% and I mean why would fanatical not take it when they got all the time in the world to sell them and it's free profit?
So yeah I think it just has to do with developers trying to avoid the steam fee and steam having a system where developers can ask for keys and steam takes no money from those keys being sold. So they offer download and account services for those keys at no cost. This is how you know steam makes bank on that 30% because they can afford to do all this and still make billions.
My other guess is they buy keys rated for a region that's cheaper for them to buy keys for but they keys activate WorldWide, so they sell them worldwide. Not sure if they can do that.
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The "worth" of a bunch of more or less masterfully arranged ones and zeros is decided by you and you only. Compared to the price of a cinema ticket those prices are not exceedingly high.
On the other hand a short visit to the Steam store page with Enhanced Steam extension on shows me GamesPlanet US is selling DARK SOULS™: REMASTERED for 16.54 € compared to 19.99 on Steam right now. I didn't go through the other offers and leave it up to you to do your research.
If you want to support Valve and/or money is no objective for you by all means buy on Steam.
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These prices are absurd, you could get physical PS4 versions of the Dark Souls trilogy including all DLCs and the soundtracks (digital) for less than Dark Souls 3 + DLCs alone (the bundle is even more expensive than buying them separately, even if it's just 1 cent).
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