Why does this still exist? What's next? We'll throw some gladiators and lions in an arena? xD
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And why people are still accepting this bullshit? :/
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just read about it. you know that it's impossible in such big communities... maybe once we go to the moon etc
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Maybe, but a man can dream, can't he? :/ Well, by watching Futurama, you can actually understand what will probably happen if we visit another planets. xD
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In my country, Portugal, its considering to be a "cultural" thing. I don't really know why but seems to be imported from our hermanos.
I'm not saying that I support either sides, but many families in here have their whole lifes circled around bullfights
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I know about tradition, but still, this doesn't justify cruelty.
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Nothing justifies cruelty but many elderly people acutally see a purpose on it so =/
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Apesar de ter familiares que viam e iam a esses "sítios", eu nunca gostei já desde pequeno fosse de ver ou falar porque não tolero maltratar animais, sejam eles quais forem.
Btw, és o primeiro tuga que vejo por aqui :)
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Thank god, it's about time they got rid of this crap. Tradition shouldn't be an excuse for cruelty.
A small step but better than nothing.
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It is a good day! :D
Maybe now one day I can stop hoping the fighters will get their intestines ripped out and mauled to death :)
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YEEAAAHHH! Today is a Good day indeed. Thanks for this
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A (really) small step to make stop animal cruelty. Hope it was the beginning of their efforts in that field, not the totality they will do.
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I am Spanish and I fully support the EU Parliament's decision. This is just another reason why I am glad to be part of the EU, despite all its flaws.
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afaik the point is that no money from EU 2016 budget will be used to support breeding bullfighting bulls. this does not prevent other governments and institutions from financing that right now and EU from doing it again in the future.
that said, very good news.
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You're right, today is a great day and that is a great new.
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But who will feed the matadors?
Kidding, better no more abuse.
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I feel bad for the animals, but I also feel bad for a tradition now being killed :(
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Bring back the Slaves vs. Lions - that was a wonderful Roman tradition. :)
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Bad comparison. One involves human lives. Other (mostly) doesn't.
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I did not say so. Please don't assume my opinion. I was just pointing out that his example of wasting lives of slaves, who are human, into entertainment, is not the same as wasting lives of animals. Do you kill humans for meat? No. Do you kill animals for meat? Yes. Ethically, human and animals are not equal.
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"taking advantage of" other animals is the basic survival instinct of any living animals. Because we are "superior humans" that we start to think about not "taking advantage of" other animals.
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So, again, you refused to believe something you don't know about. In my culture (and most Eastern Asian cultures), we believe plants have feelings of their own. There are various stories and examples to back this belief up.
I guess you're not worthy of my time, not the other way around, because of you narrow mindset. You focus too much on your vegetarianism and ignore anything else :) Have a nice day.
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Not really - the slaves were considered sub-human. Definitely worth less than a roman citizen, and certainly could be spared if it meant providing some entertainment for the public.
Otherwise - there is dog fighting, cock fights, or just hunting for sport. My point is, the fact that something is a tradition doesn't make it something worthwhile preserving. There are bad "traditions" that are shameful and cruel. Continuing something only because it was done in the past is brainless.
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The general idea of some people at that time considering slaves sub-humans doesn't change the fact that they are humans, and doesn't mean that other people saw them less than humans.
Yes, bullfighting is bad for the animals, and in some ways bad for the image of a country. However, you should also consider that the tradition serves some certain purposes: to admire the courage of the fighters, or whatever else I don't know (except entertainment) (but I think it's cruel to pierce the bull with swords until it dies - that's torture). Pure entertainment like dog fighting or cock fights doesn't server any other purpose aside from some fun, and is definitely bad. But some of the traditions hold great spiritual value (like the buffalo fighting in my hometown). And those traditions, while some people may find cruel, would not go away any time soon.
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Perhaps if bull fighting was stopped, those involved could discover another way to demonstrate their "courage" that didn't involve animal cruelty. Truth is, they don't do it to be "courageous" - it is only about money.
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Then what about traditions which are not economically beneficial? AFAIK, buffalo fighting in Vietnam doesn't give much money, and the prize for the winning owner is less than a fraction of what he spends to raise a buffalo. It's the spiritual aspect that matters.
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When animal cruelty becomes good for your spirit / soul - then I guess people will feel that justifies continuing the practice.
Or is there a spiritual aspect to animal cruelty - that the rest of the world needs to adopt? Maybe there is a list of positives here we should be teaching our children?
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I don't see this tradition as animal cruelty. Each year the buffaloes fight each other to death many times for a female one. We just give them a stage, and get something meaningful out of their mindless actions. If you raise buffaloes, then you will understand that at times, esp. when they are in heat, they are dangerous if you don't let them go banana.
Animal cruelty is when you do bad things against the animals. For example, recently we have banned a tradition of a ethnic group, when people would tie the buffalo into a pole and take turns to stab it to death with spears. For meat. That's animal cruelty.
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I hate traditions, I hate traditions with a passion, it is one of the reason people do dumb shit like finning, bullfighting and many more.
I would end all traditions if I could... except harmless traditions.. its still stupid, but at least harmless.
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Oh come on, it's not worth your time here, why are you staying? Or are you by any chance want to answer my reply above about how plants have spirits and feelings?
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Traditions also include festivals like Carnival, holidays like Christmas, and even social behaviours like saying "thank you". Why do you hate traditions with a passion like that? :)
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those falls in the category of "harmless", and as I said previously, I don't mind harmless tradition.
and I do believe plants have spirit and feelings, I talk to them and touch them when I can.
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Well, then you should have said that you hate harmful traditions :P
About the spirits and feelings of the plants, I was talking to Skanda. She (!?) seems to refuse anything I said about (not against) her (!?) vegetarianism.
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That's good! So I guess today IS a good day after all
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Didnt see the huffinton date but it was today when i've read it and I think it was on 27 january the final vote about this issue
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Some say this is good news, poor animals and so on (and I partially agree with that).
One the other hand, some may say that this is another step from EU to erase cultural differences among countries, removing traditions and roots one by one, to transform us all into "European" citizens without identity.
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It's good news - it should be funded by the people interested in it. Now they should stop robbing people and stop subsiding everything and go to hell. Goverment = mafia.
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But do you have a feeling about how tonight is going to be?
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can we replace the bulls with criminals? >:3
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Concretely politicians, we have more politicians pending to enter jail than bulls.
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I bet that won't have much impact in my country where will keep be considered "cultural" and "must be protected "...
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Fist of all, I'm sorry if you feel "tricked" because the positiveness of my title let you to think this was a awesome giveaway thread. However, is a good thing because today European Parliament has voted to NOT support bullfighting. This means no public money into this shit and, with time, no more poor animals dead.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/28/bullfighting-european-parliament-votes-end-eu-subsidies-farmers_n_8412542.html
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