Absolutely don't care, like the last apocalypse viruses the media shared with us....
Survived swine flu, pigeon flu, crazy cow, ebola, and other bullshit... it's not a bat soup that should make us buy toilet paper in fear.
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Actually, all such viruses and diseases are pretext on the basis of which governments kill the people who seem dangerous to them. The actual means of assassination are the gas pipelines installed by their corporate cronies. You survived them either because you were too smart for their trick or because the governments did not find you dangerous.
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Yeah, I bet the government is breathing a sigh of relief after taking out the insurrection sleeper cell of old age invalids in the nursing home.
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I get the sarcasm, but governments generally target the family of the person and causality of old people is ancillary consequence.
Poisoning attempt can be verified from pale or yellow leaves of the otherwise healthy plants growing around the house of the target.
You may not realize it yet but the society and governments are entity of poisoners delivering slow poison to everybody else. It is impossible to rule over a person who is intelligent and in his physical prime--therefore the diseases are artificially created.
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Pale or yellow leaves (chlorosis) are usually a sign of nutrient deficiency, such as magnesium, which is needed to produce chlorophyll, or inappropriate soil pH, which leads to nutrients being less available. Herbicides might be good for assassinating somebody's roses but I would think poisons that work on animals would be more sensible for taking out a political opponent. Diseases indiscriminate enough to potentially escalate to pandemic status are also a poor choice for use in a targeted assassination.
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Good to see that you don't go on believing something someone says. Then, why are you believing something which governments say, especially when it is formed by a group who are reputed liars? History is filled with records of people being murdered by governments via various means including (but not limited to) gas poisoning and covering it up on some pretext or the other. All air-pollution related deaths are actually mass murders orchestrated by various governments, and so are the viruses and diseases, which are created by the government sponsored media out of thin air and which vanish into oblivion without any cure being developed.
Do you know that because of diversity in poisons, poisoning shares symptoms with almost every known disease and it is far easier for a person to attract jealousy and hatred rather than appreciation for his abilities?
Anyhow, when you smell unexplained unusual smells of around you and which cause you headaches, stiffness in joints,sudden surge in your gray hairs, drooling, thirst, fatigue, fever, etc.and unexplained yellowing and death of plants around your house, you can be certain that you are being poisoned.
I don't think that there is any harm in taking added precaution and consuming universal antidote in mild quantities regularly.
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Pathogenic microorganisms predate history and they affect animals and plants as well as people. What was creating disease before evil governments?
What are you calling universal antidote? Activated carbon?
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I think I was clear enough in my previous comment.
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I'm sure by universal antidote he meant vitamin C or garlic or beetroot or whatever he is buying from a magical wizard shaman man and paying 10 times more than it is worth to make him feel good and what helps him think he is the wise man from the mountain the great woke one while rest of the people that have basic education and know anything about biology, chemistry, medicine are the sheep of the system that will be killed by evil governments!
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Oh, celery juice! Yeah, gotta have that every morning on an empty stomach because some unqualified crackpot that claims to hear medical diagnoses from the voice of "The Spirit of Compassion" said everyone has something wrong with them that it cures.
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Well science shows after googling it up that activated charcoal is much better than universal antidote.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/15563657809150025?journalCode=ictx18
So you were referring in fact activated charcoal that you take because you think that government wants to kill you or were you referring universal antidote that you take because you think that government wants to kill you?
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Universal antidote is still better but you need to take milk of magnesia, tannic acid and active charcoal separately at different intervals instead of mixing them together like stupid people do. Active charcoal is ineffective against VOCs and many other poisons.
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"people that have basic education and know anything about biology, chemistry, medicine" ? Are you a doctor?
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I never claimed to be one. However, even if you were a doctor, you would likely probably intentionally make a wrong diagnosis. [https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html] Even this is under reported.
Other than few exceptions (i.e, people with birth defect) nature has made almost everyone healthy. Any disease or sickness you contract after your birth is because of some extreme condition you were exposed to, which neither your body nor your immune system can handle.
Now, as a doctor if you tell everyone that you are being poisoned gradually and steadily which the reason why your immune system suffers severely making you vulnerable against the minor virus and diseases, you would be out of business in no time. Because no one would ever come to you. Not to mention, you would become number one enemy of governments and other doctors. Conflict of interest.
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"Now, as a doctor if you tell everyone that you are being poisoned gradually and steadily which the reason why your immune system suffers severely making you vulnerable against the minor virus and diseases, you would be out of business in no time. Because no one would ever come to you. Not to mention, you would become number one enemy of governments and other doctors. Conflict of interest."
You don't have to be a doctor to "tell everyone that you are being poisoned gradually and steadily which the reason why your immune system suffers severely making you vulnerable against the minor virus and diseases" and sound like a crazy person and conspiracy theorist.
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Crazy person and conspiracy theorist?
Do you mean to say innocent people are never killed by the governments? Democide is far more common than you would like to believe
I am surprised how people show dual standards while passing judgments.
If you stole once and enjoyed the feeling, you are bound to steal again. Likewise, if you can murder once you are bound to murder again, when you have fun doing it. The people forming governments are no different. If people forming governments can attack and kill innocent people of other nations, nothing is stopping them from killing their own and using the media on their payroll to blame the incident on some virus or air pollution just for fun and/or because of fear that your authority is threatened.
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You think goverment kills you by using poisons to make your immune system weaker so than the COVID-19 can kill you.
Yes you are a crazy person.
CIA and KGB did kill people if they wanted to remove them by either a gun or by a simple injection of air in the veins.
No one have time to poison you for years just to kill you.
Please speak with your psychiatrist.
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When you have no sensible argument to counter other persons arguments you are bound to call the every other person crazy. It is common human behavior. Almost everybody does that.
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Your arguments are: "government is poisoning you for years to kill you" and that is a crazy talk.
If government would want to kill you you would be already dead.
Please speak with your psychiatrist.
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Governments believe there is no fun in killing your victims directly.
Okay tell me one thing. Nowadays every technology is wireless. Cables take too much maintenance which is why landlines have lost their use.
So, have they installed gas pipelines everywhere? Gas cylinders have been cheaper to maintain and there is no hazard of the gas to spread in large areas in case of leakage (WIRELESS). So why was this space and resource consuming technology of gas pipeline which is not much different from landline brought to use?
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"There is no fun in killing your victims directly."
Government is not about fun but about efficiency.
Not everything that is wireless is as good as on cable - look at the speed of internet and how much better it is to have it on cable than wireless if you use it to download and upload things.
And no no one is trying to kill you with gas.
Again.
If government would want to kill you you would be already dead.
Please speak with your psychiatrist.
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They need efficiency when there is direct threat to them. They like to have fun when they have all the time in the world.
If wireless internet was faster, no one would use wired internet at all.
Gas pipelines have never been safer or better than gas cylinders. You can only use it where you have connection and there is no portability.
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As I have said before "When you have no sensible argument to counter other persons arguments you are bound to call the every other person crazy. It is common human behavior. Almost everybody does that."
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You have no sensible argument only crazy talk and that is why you should speak with your psychiatrist.
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So why don't you have any sensible explanation to any of the questions I have raised?
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I gave you an answer already.
"If government would want to kill you you would be already dead."
You just ignored it and keep writing how they are poisoning you for years to kill you like you are someone who can do anything against a government. You are nobody for them and you can't harm them but yes thousands of people created a secret plan to poison you and kill you in next 50 years.
Please speak with your psychiatrist.
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Gas poisoning does not take years to kill a person.
Also, it is impossible for even governments to kill a person whose time of death has not come yet.
You did not answer "why have they installed gas pipelines everywhere? Gas cylinders have been cheaper to maintain and there is no hazard of the gas to spread in large areas in case of leakage (WIRELESS). So why was this space and resource consuming technology of gas pipeline which is not much different from landline brought to use?"
A few more questions to make you think:
How do you explain air pollution which made the air in China toxic before this whole corona virus propaganda came into picture?
How do you explain dumping of toxic chemicals in oceans?
How do explain adulterants in everyday food items.
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So how many years so far is goverment trying to kill you now? And why they did not succeed so far? And why thousands of people know that they wan to kill you but no one said anything?
"Also, it is impossible for even governments to kill a person whose time of death has not come yet."
Ahahahaha! KGB and CIA does not agree with you.
Gas pipelines were created to provide gas to everyone without the need to create millions of gas cylinders and right now contries that are developed are not building new buildings with gas pipelines as everything is based on electricity and no gas is needed for anything.
"How do you explain air pollution which made the air in China toxic before this whole corona virus propaganda came into picture?"
Economy of China.
"How do you explain dumping of toxic chemicals in oceans?"
Stupid humans who don't think about the future of the mankind.
"How do explain adulterants in everyday food items."
An adulterant is a substance found within other substances such as food, cosmetics, pharmaceuticals, fuel or other chemicals that compromises the safety or effectiveness of said substance.
It will not normally be present in any specification or declared contents of the substance, and may not be legally allowed. The addition of adulterants is called adulteration. The most common reason for adulteration is the use by manufacturers of undeclared materials that are cheaper than the correct and declared ones. The adulterants may be harmful, or reduce the potency of the product, or they may be harmless.
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Friend, you are confused now. Sometimes you boast how good they are at murders of people they want to kill other times you say that it is impossible that governments try to kill innocent people. Anyhow, ask CIA and KGB and all the government agencies about their success rates. I am sure it cannot be 100%.
"Gas pipelines were created to provide gas to everyone without the need to create millions of gas cylinders"
Nice try but instead they now need hundreds of millions of metres of gas pipelines. Volumetrically speaking it is neither viable nor logical. A small rupture means you need to replace the line in between the joints completely. Or you simply don't care maintaining it.
"Economy of China"
There is a new thought 'economy causes pollution,' eh?
"Stupid humans who don't think about the future of the mankind."
Indeed, can you be specific who are those humans?
"The most common reason for adulteration is the use by manufacturers of undeclared materials that are cheaper than the correct and declared ones"
And why do manufacturers use adulterants without any fear?
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You are confused. First you say they want to kill you. Later you say they can't do it now they have to wait many years for you to die. Later you say they can't kill you as it is impossible for even governments to kill a person whose time of death has not come yet.
You make many assumptions.
Yes economy of China causes pollution in China as any factory causes pollution in any country.
Nope. I don't know the names of all people who have dumped something in the sea but I think it is close to 90% of world population.
And why do manufacturers use adulterants without any fear?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adulterant
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I would clarify your misunderstanding. I only said "all such viruses and diseases are pretext on the basis of which governments kill the people who seem dangerous to them. The actual means of assassination are the gas pipelines installed by their corporate cronies. You survived them either because you were too smart for their trick or because the governments did not find you dangerous."
It is you who assumed the rest of the stuff. Your assumption is true or false is an entirely different subject.
So...you skipped CIA and KGB and the gas pipelines part. So I will assume you got my point.
"Economy of China causes pollution in China as any factory causes pollution in any country."
And who formulates economic policies? And who owns these factories? And who decides what factories will function in a particular territory?
"I don't know the names of all people who have dumped something in the sea but I think it is close to 90% of world population."
It is not the 90 percent of population. Because 99 percent of people are incapable of creating the toxic chemicals. Albeit, they are the counsumers of the things and they have no idea how to get rid of the things which they don't need and which is left with them as garbage after they have used the things they needed. Most toxic wastes are created in factories as you have yourself admitted.
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adulterant"
Funny thing you showed me the above link. There is very interesting line in the above article
'Adulterant use was first investigated in 1820 by the German chemist Frederick Accum, who identified many toxic metal colorings in food and drink. His work antagonized food suppliers, and he was ultimately discredited by a scandal over his alleged mutilation of books of the Royal Institution library. The physician Arthur Hill Hassall conducted extensive studies in the early 1850s, which were published in The Lancet and led to the 1860 Food Adulteration Act and other legislation.John Postgate led a further campaign, leading to another Act of 1875, which forms the basis of the modern legislation and a system of public analysts who test for adulteration.'
Ah the irony. You are trying to discredit me like Frederick Accum was discredited in his time.
Anyhow, bye folks the conversation was enlightening.
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So you think government use gas pipelines to kill you.
You make lots of assumptions. All of them are wrong.
You talk like typical conspiracy theorist and mentally ill patients.
Please speak with your psychiatrist.
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So,was Li Wenliang [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang], conspiracy theorist as well?
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Don't compare yourself being crazy how you are and your pipelines to a doctor and researcher.
He was intelligent and had education.
You are crazy and an idiot.
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On 3 January 2020, Wuhan police summoned and admonished him for "making false comments on the Internet".
Within a couple of months after his death he is intelligent and is considered educated?
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Insults are the ultimate (and perhaps the only) comebacks which feeble minded can come up with.
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That's so typical conspiracy theorist talk. How do you explain air pollution? Why not read what science has to say about that? I am sure you can find hundreds of papers about air pollution and the main causes. Instead you watch youtube videos from people who have no idea about science whatsoever and just believe what they say, because it fits your world view.
I'm telling you, if you really believed all that stuff, you would not post about it on a gaming forum. You would be terrified that you might become a target and avoid speaking publicly about it. So either you are just trolling here (in that case: congrats to being a horrible human being), or you actually think you believe it, which would place you in the category of all the other conspiracy theorists that believe in stuff like the flat earth, alien abductions, the young earth and all that bullshit.
Stop making the mistake of "I cannot explain it, therefore it must be X". That kind of rhetoric is by definition a fallacy. Work with facts instead. If you are not well educated in a specific field, hear what the experts have to say. Do not make your own conclusions based on incomplete knowledge, and certainly do not listen to random idiots on Youtube or Facebook who themselves have no idea what they're talking about.
And maybe work on your social life. Get out sometimes, get some friends (real friends, not fellow conspiracy theorists on the internet!). I think people who don't have much of a social life are especially susceptible to conspiracy theories, as they sort of join a community when converting to it. But honestly, there are better ways to get friends. Just go to a bar and talk to people (and don't tell them about gas pipes...).
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Yeah right. If you call other person crazy, conspiracy theorist, troll and whatnot and you resort to insults because he has a perspective different from yours, undoubtedly you must be a very nice person.Good for you.
BTW if everybody had conformist view, you would not be internet or laptop or even steamgifts like you are doing now. Such miracles are witchcraft, if you speak in traditional terms. All inventions, discoveries and even exposure of scams, scandals and atrocities by govenments were made because someone wanted to discover the truth and make it known to everyone. Someone who did not care if other people insulted him or called him looney. Indeed, at times he was wrong. Other times he was proved to be right beyond everyone's beliefs, hope and expectations. Here the link to the 'random book about what's honestly common knowledge' becomes relevant again.
And you. People like you have been the ones who carried witch trials in the past. Same bitter remarks and same insults.
Learn to accept that everyone has his opinion and everyone has a reason to believe what he believes in. You will be a better human being.
Now even if an atheist proves you that there is no God you will call him a conspiracy theorist as well.
Moreover, you should see the article link which ironically Mr. Zarddfin has himself provided. Um, it was this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adulterant
Frederick Accum-the person who had first investigated adulteration even was called a liar and was discredited in his time. It was several decades later that people started realizing the truth.
The reason I posted the above comment here was to find out the reaction of gaming community if they found out some truth which ordinary people don't agree with. Thank you this conversation was enlightening.
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All inventions, discoveries and even exposure of scams, scandals and atrocities by govenments were made because someone wanted to discover the truth and make it known to everyone.
Sure, but you are not doing that. You just post a random conspiracy theory without a single piece of evidence. I asked you about proof. You ignored it. What do you expect? If you make wild claims without any evidence, how the hell can you expect anyone to believe you? Imagine I told you about the flying spaghetti monster, gave you no evidence and then would be offended that you don't believe me.
And you. People like you have been the ones who carried witch trials in the past. Same bitter remarks and same insults.
No. I advocate reason and scientific thinking.
Learn to accept that everyone has his opinion and everyone has a reason to believe what he believes in. You will be a better human being.
This is not a matter of opinion. You can have an opinion about whether you like the blue or the black pants better. If you make a claim like "the government is poisoning the people with hidden gas pipes", then you need to provide evidence for it. Otherwise your claim is invalid. And you are not entitled to the opinion that it's true. You need to prove it. People think they can validate absolutely anything with words like "opinion" or "belief"...
Now even if an atheist proves you that there is no God you will call him a conspiracy theorist as well.
I am an atheist and pretty certain and no such thing exists. And if someone proves that (even though the proof of non-existence is barely possible) then I will of course accept it. I believe in evidence, not wild unproven theories like your's.
The reason I posted the above comment here was to find out the reaction of gaming community if they found out some truth which ordinary people don't agree with. Thank you this conversation was enlightening.
No, that was not the reason. And nobody "found out" anything, since you provided no evidence whatsoever. This sonversation was enlightening, but not in the way you think.
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Did you know that if you combine over 10 3ds in a small box, you'll get a porygon? True facts.
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Evidence, huh?It seems the amazing flat earther did not actually dig deep enough for his evidence.
Now if you really did fight 'flying spaghetti monster', it won't matter to you if others disbelieve you as long as they talk in civilized manner. You know the truth.
As far as governments using gas as mode of execution, it is nothing new. Even Hitler has applied this trick before. Or you are implying that all those biographies about Nazi Camps were all work of fiction? What makes you think governments have become suddenly reformed?
Anyhow, there are two factors which decide the authenticity of evidence in a matter like this. Location and physical proximity. Since neither of those factors are possible in any conversation on internet, one generally relies on the hearsay evidence while having a conversation on the internet. So anything you post is no more authentic than anything I post.
But as for the gas leak part you can see there are plenty of articles about it.
https://www.thespruce.com/how-to-spot-signs-of-a-gas-leak-2718710
https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2015/11/27/gas-leaks-a-hidden-culprit-for-dead-trees/
Do a quick google search and you will find several links.
Anything which can kill trees can kill humans much sooner. And there never is any evidence. So the governments have been using this trick for quite sometime.
Now as for the fact that I blame the governments for it you should see my reply to Zarddin explaining why use of gas pipelines instead of gas cylinders is illogical.
I know that it is quite sometime before there is another World War but politicians, still share same traits. Desire to rule over people is itself all the proof anyone could need. One who limitlessly tax you without making any contribution in anything you create is all the proof of villainy anyone needs.
And, it is great to see that you conveniently dodge the replies meant for you and jump in the middle of the comments meant for others to establish your rhetoric. Nice going there buddy. You make a perfect example of a perfect human.
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Evidence, huh?It seems the amazing flat earther did not actually dig deep enough for his evidence.
You really still believe I am a flat earther? :/
Now if you really did fight 'flying spaghetti monster', it won't matter to you if others disbelieve you as long as they talk in civilized manner. You know the truth.
If I actually brought up something as ridiculous as a flying spaghetti monster, people would be absolutely right in criticising me for claiming such a thing without any shred of evidence. And no, I would not know the truth. I would be wrong. Just like you are now.
As far as governments using gas as mode of execution, it is nothing new. Even Hitler has applied this trick before. Or you are implying that all those biographies about Nazi Camps were all work of fiction? What makes you think governments have become suddenly reformed?
What are you even talking about? Of course Hitler used gas. That doesn't have anything to do with your claim. You make a very specific claim (government uses hidden gas pipes to mass poison the people). That claim is not proven by just any use of gas in the past. Those are two completely seperate things.
Anyhow, there are two factors which decide the authenticity of evidence in a matter like this. Location and physical proximity.
No. That's not how evidence works. I don't need to be where it happens in order to know whether or not it's true.
Since neither of those factors are possible in any conversation on internet, one generally relies on the hearsay evidence while having a conversation on the internet.
No, a reasonable person relies on scientific evidence, not on hearsay.
So anything you post is no more authentic than anything I post.
I don't post any wild claims. You are doing that. Therefore you are the one who needs to provide evidence. Makes sense, doesn't it? The one who needs to provide some sort of evidence for it in order for anyone to believe him. You have yet to do that.
But as for the gas leak part you can see there are plenty of articles about it.
https://www.thespruce.com/how-to-spot-signs-of-a-gas-leak-2718710
https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2015/11/27/gas-leaks-a-hidden-culprit-for-dead-trees/
Again, that has nothing to do with your claim. Yes, gas leaks exist. So what? You fail to make any connection to the government deliberately poisoning people with those gas leaks.
I know that it is quite sometime before there is another World War but politicians, still share same traits. Desire to rule over people is itself all the proof anyone could need. One who limitlessly tax you without making any contribution in anything you create is all the proof of villainy anyone needs.
NO! What are you even thinking when writing that stuff? Politicians are bad, so that is your "proof" that they poison you with gas? Does that really sound logical to you? What if I make a wild claim as well? Let me try:
The government actually sneaks in your house during night and scratches off part of your skin in order to make nice pouches out of it. How do I know that, you ask? Where is the proof for any of that, you ask? Why should you believe me, you ask? Well, politicians are evil, and that is all the proof you need! It proves exactly what I said, right?
And, it is great to see that you conveniently dodge the replies meant for you and jump in the middle of the comments meant for others to establish your rhetoric. Nice going there buddy. You make a perfect example of a perfect human.
I didn't dodge anything. I think I replied to every post you sent me.
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You really still believe I am a flat earther?
Learn to stick to the side you are trying to defend. If you claimed you were a flat earther. Why should you now claim otherwise? No one was forcing you to make such assertion. When you bring something up totally irrelevant to the subject of conversation, you should at least have this much self-esteem that you don't deviate from it. If your comment was made to mock, then any other comments thereafter become non-serious and insincere as well. Mockery and seriousness don't mix. Don't make a point half-heartedly.
If I actually brought up something as ridiculous as a flying spaghetti monster, people would be absolutely right in criticising me for claiming such a thing without any shred of evidence
Now you are confessing flying spaghetti monster is ridiculous. Your confession is exactly what I meant. You see no one makes a claim he himself knows is absurd. Again, as before, mockery and seriousness don't mix.
Of course Hitler used gas.
Let me reply you in the manner you have been carrying out this conversation. "Why? How can you believe it? Do you have any proof? Did you have any first hand experience? And don't give me any of those hearsay evidence made by the PR teams and articles on internet."
If people had sense of humor like you have, the autobiographies of the people who claimed to be victim of such ghastly experience would become babbling of a mentally unstable person or outbursts of frenzied minds of people undergoing mass hysteria. My point is that if people running governments can do it once, they can do it again. This time, they try to make sure that they aren't caught.
Yes, gas leaks exist. So what? You fail to make any connection to the government deliberately poisoning people with those gas leaks.
Earlier you claimed that there is such thing as gas. Now you are accepting the existence of gas leak. Well,that's a start. I have already explained that there is no sensible reason why gas pipelines should be used when you compare it to gas cylinders. As for 'any connection' to the government part, if nothing, governments are prima facie vicariously liable. There was a very interesting case of Ryland vs. Fletcher (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rylands_v_Fletcher) regarding this subject wherein it was decided "the person who for his own purposes brings on his lands and collects and keeps there anything likely to do mischief if it escapes, must keep it in at his peril, and, if he does not do so, is prima facie answerable for all the damage which is the natural consequence of its escape." And installation of gas pipelines is undoubtedly non-natural use of land. So there you have it. I have at least established some connection i.e.,a tort liability of governments in such matters. As for the mens rea part which is a requisite for criminal liability, you can establish it from the fact that governments always had a safer, cheaper to maintain and portable alternative (i.e., gas cylinders) but why do they allow gas pipelines to be installed? It is fairly obvious that huge quantities of gas is lost, wasted and spread in the areas because of underground pipelines. So, what it the purpose of intentionally causing this waste, if not to threaten the life and health of people in general? There is no smoke without fire, friend. And it is no conspiracy theory, when you can see conspiracy in actual practice.
Politicians are bad, so that is your "proof" that they poison you with gas?
Same as the above point.
The government actually sneaks in your house during night and scratches off part of your skin in order to make nice pouches out of it. How do I know that, you ask? Where is the proof for any of that, you ask? Why should you believe me, you ask? Well, politicians are evil, and that is all the proof you need! It proves exactly what I said, right?
Again you are making a claim half-heartedly. Any claim you half-heartedly is nullified the moment you make it. Moreover, I never demanded the proof of it. You know the authenticity of your assertions best.
I didn't dodge anything. I think I replied to every post you sent me.
When you make insincere remarks to sincere comments, it is same as dodging.
Since you know so much about governments and think that they don't want to kill you I suppose you should have seen this as well:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang
You see, the fact that even death of Li Wenliang which in all likelihood is murder further establishes my point. Although, I suspect that he might have been not totally correct about the virus thingy. There are poisonous gases which actually cause asphyxiation and their symptoms greatly resemble to those of a virus (including the one in issue). Most people are prone to ignore it and generally poisoning is last in the list when you are carrying out a diagnosis, when it should be the first.
P.S.: Villainy of vile men knows no bounds, which is why they are villains. If they knew their limits and they abide by it they wouldn't be bad in the first place. What makes you think if villains rule over good people, they never do such things as killing good people?
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Government is [..] about efficiency.
Well, maybe a given government's hypothetical hit squads are in fact all about that, but I've never once gotten the feeling that efficency was a trait that was associable with any other facet of a typical government [specific emergency response organizations aside]. :P
Rather, I'd guess* that you had instead intended to use "expediency" in that comparison, as that much better fits the comparison and circumstance.
* Efficiency referring to a well-applied use of time and resources when pursuing a goal that still meets expected standards [a concept which may be familiar by way of the term of "Workplace Efficiency"], whereas expediency refers to a situation wherein one pursues what is most convenient or advantageous [eg, to a poltiical benefit] to their own agenda at the expense of outside elements [such as "fun" or morality].
As with the comparable concept of utilitarianism, expediency can at times also be considered to have efficiency (to a specific outcome), but is not inherently necessitated to possess such. It is, however, associated with government-mandated murders, which can be considered an "expedient way to dispose of unwanted individuals" [relative to more legal or moral methods, which may take more time or resources].
Related concepts, but we could only hope for governments to favor the first of the two concepts over the latter of the two. :P
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Ah yes you are right.
But well we all see this crazy guy thinks it is easier to kill him with a gas pipeline than to shoot him.
Shame such crazy people don't get professional help.
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Government does not want to kill me with pipelines with gas.
You are crazy. See a psychiatrist.
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Government does not want to kill me with pipelines with gas.
If you are really convinced, I am glad for you.
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I am sorry my question confused a humble flat earther like you are.
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That's obvously not true. I don't know who told you that and why you think you should just believe him (rather than anyone else). Fact is, all governments are actually run by vampires. Therefore assassinations are executed by government officials themselves, in typical vampire style. The undeniable proof of this is the bodies of the victims - just see how pale (bloodless!) they look. There is actually a leaked memo that shows that the government vampires will target conspiracy theorists next all around the world. So better stay at home, draw protection runes on all doors and windows and always keep a sufficient supply of garlic.
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Also, the vampires can't get you if you sleep inside a cocoon made of toilet paper. Only a few people knew this before but they told their friends and then they told their friends and now in some well-informed places it's almost impossible to buy toilet paper. They come for you in your sleep so if you can't get toilet paper, you just have to stay awake.
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Governments are not run by vampires but government and churches sure were responsible for murders of innocent humans calling them vampires and witches.
And there's even record of it: https://archive.org/details/foxesbookofmarty00fox
Governments are run by humans with parasitic tendencies. They may seem like vampires to you but they are humans alright.
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Why post that random book about what's honestly common knowledge? Why not post proof for your wild claims you made a few posts above? Let me see the proof that you most certainly have of those murder gas pipes all over the world, and of those "air pollution mass murders". ^^
I'll be honest, I don't believe gas even exists. If it existed I could see it! And the leader of my flat earther community said there is no such thing.
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Because something is common knowledge, it is no big deal? Interesting. Just dig the ground around the areas
"you smell unexplained unusual smells of around you and which cause you headaches, stiffness in joints,sudden surge in your gray hairs, drooling, thirst, fatigue, fever, etc.and unexplained yellowing and death of plants" deep enough and you will find all the evidence you need. Seeing is believing.
Caution: keep something dense (like thick plastic) to cover the hole, immediately after you find your proof.
Hmmm....You don't believe gas even exists? Say that the next time you have constipation. Only a flat earther like you can do that.
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Ok, I dug a hole. About 8 meters deep. There were no poisonous gas vents. But I reached the bottom of the world. There was just an empty void there. I almost fell down! So I proved the flat earth while at the same time disproving your "gas hypothesis". And I got some interestting new insights. The earth is actually even thinner than we thought! I gotta call Alex Jones immediately.
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So far, I'm neither "prepared" nor scared ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I'm worried about my mom, for sure. Quite many have fallen ill not too far from where she lives so I keep calling her every other day just to ask if she's okay. She's old and her health isn't the best so...
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Interesting approach. I called my mom and told her that this will send her to her grave. If you want your mom to live, maybe you should worry at least 60% more. If you call her 37% more, she might be ok.
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So far i really dont care about it, but i am little bit concerned how it can affect technical world. For example lower production or bigger prices (i want upgrade my GPU with newest generation).
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Good for you, that you don't leave near an affected country.
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well, in our country we have so far reported 31 infected from 10,6 milions, so far it is not big deal
we will see in next days or weeks how it will affect daily life, right now still no need to panic
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right now it still about 390 people from 10,6 millions and i am at work now
because nobody in my city/work was confirmed as infected, nothing changed for me, only everybody at work talk about it and we got masks (which probably wont work at all)
btw still waiting for my Valve Index :(
oh....almost forgot i cant go outside doing stuff, but cant complain
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I live in the most affected area here in Germany but so far there has not been a case in my city. Some people freak out like always but most seem to be quite calm here. Haven't seen anyone with masks yet :D
Still hope it's not getting worse and that countries like Italy, Iran or Korea can get back to normality soon :)
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We could be neighbours. I live in the Ruhr area and in my city there are three cases in my neighbourhood. But I am still not that concerned. I don't buy too much stuff and I don't panic. I am just more careful.
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Well, there's been a pretty nasty flu outbreak in Bulgaria (with my city being one of the worse cases) for around a month and no-one gives a shit. Why should I give a shit about this? I'll take the standard yearly cough over feeling like my guts were trying to escape out of my arse like some kind of directionally challenged xenomorph two weeks ago.
(Yeah, you said "serious way" but I really can't be any more serious about it. If anything this would be annoying because it means potentially getting sick twice in a short period of time. <.< )
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directionally challenged xenomorph
Haaaaahaha, thank you 👍
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I'm not really worried about it for now. I changed nothing in my life, except everyone at work now says Hello without shaking hands :)
A pic because I can't do anything in a totally serious way. Means "Buy 2 Corona [lemon flavored beer named like this since years], get 1 Mort Subite free" [Mort Subite means Instant Death])
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Every morning when you say hello to your coworkers you shake hands? What country/company is this?
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Yes. This is not considered mandatory, but most people do that where I work (and in my previous jobs as well).
I've always been working in France, my current company is a big international manufacturer... I'm in a Services headquarter area, we are about 40 people in an open space, half business/process and half IT.
Does shaking hands with colleagues sound weird to you ?
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Yes, that definitely sounds weird :D
In Turkey we just say good morning/hi/good evening to each other at work and don't do any physical thing
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Maybe this is a cultural thing, I don't know.
My manager is from Turkey and she's doing like yourself, but women usually don't shake hands. Some do a cheek kiss. I mean at my work place, of course.
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I think it might be cultural. Or perhaps Australians are uncultured. Like morikalina, we would just say good morning or goodbye and maybe a small nod or smile. No touching :)
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FYI Corona isn't lemon flavoured it's just usually served with a lemon slice which adds some Vitamins and makes it an even more effective medicine ;)
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It's spreading fast and causing an increase of hospital treatments. Intensive care units are a limited number so everybody has good reasons to be scared of Covid19.
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thanks a lot for this thread, I wrote many things (mainly useless things probably =P) in the other thread but I think it's a great idea, here in northern Italy things are getting extremely serious these weeks and the rest of Europe could be in the same situation in the next weeks too so it's important to spread awareness, preparation and trustworthy information about this issue.. hoping for the best!!
as I said before, here in northern Italy we almost have no flights/trains/buses these weeks and lots of towns are completely isolated from the rest of the country with police at every border, there are huge backlashes on the economy of course and yeah.. lots of contagions and dozens (hundreds) of deaths, even if the median age is 81/82 so far.. all the cinemas, theatres etc. are closed, restaurants and bars (many of them are closed too) have to close by 18.00 and there are no services, all the school have been closed for almost 1 month from kindergardens to universities and this has a huge impact on the families too
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I heard from a friend in the Netherlands who lives south (And is a school principal so she getting a lot of emails now) that it might go in lockdown there.
You said nothing useless in the other one. :)
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Nah, I work at a school in the south and dont expect any school to go into lockdown. Yet.
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"Media's" job is to serve their masters, I just want to know who benefits from all this. These "journalists" deserve heavy prison sentences. Fuck, 50 died of normal flu so far this year and no one from this corona crap.
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Not sure, if this was sarcastic or not...Roughly 3800 people died from corona since the outbreak.
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3800 is a drop in the bucket. Basically nothing. ~ 60.000 die every day from a variety of things
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The death rate of Covid is around 3,4% according to WHO. In heavily infected areas it's even higher. If the virus continues to spread, that number won't just be a drop in the bucket, that 1 in 31 people.
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Present statistics seem to put the global average for deaths from COVID-19 as high as 1 in 23 (with an enormous range of difference by specific region, due to differences in response and care). Well, I did find one site which argued that the seasonal flu is worse than corona, with the flu having a 1 in 7 mortality rate, but which then offered a quoted statistic that instead put the death rate of the seasonal flu at 1 in 1,829. :P
Even though I'm going to clarify it just below, let me just take a moment to emphasize that both of those numbers are wildly inaccurate. Sites like that do help explain why misconceptions over COVID-19 exist, beyond the usual unfathomability of humankind.
As a far more reliable source, looking at early CDC statements for the 2019-2020 season, they estimated a death toll (within the US) of around 1 in 614, with their follow-up reports putting the actual mortality rate closer to 1 in 700. This compared to the present COVID-19 rate within the US of 1 in 74. Meaning that COVID-19 can be estimated to be 10 times as lethal as the flu (which is already contrasted against the common cold for its relative severity, to begin with, and isn't anywhere near as low-key and low-value as this nesting's originator implied).
Side-note, the potential overall deaths (flat total, not %) from the present COVID-19 pandemic may end up being as high as twice that of the black/bubonic/haemorrhagic plague [or far lower, of course]. On the other hand, the world population is 16 times higher now, than then. Be it 1 in 74 or 1 in 23, COVID-19 is still thankfully a long way from the 1 in 4 rate of the pestilience. Nevermind how it compares to the 30% to 100% lethality rate of the various strains of smallpox, or the 40% case fatality rate reported during the 2013–2016 Western African ebola virus epidemic.
That said, for a modern, first world affliction, COVID-19 still can be considered quite significant in its lethality and spread, as it far eclipses any pandemics we've faced for several generations. In fact, I believe COVID-19's death rate significantly eclipses every other large scale first world illness within the past hundred years, with the 1918 H1N1 Pandemic (which had an estimated 1 in 10 death rate) being the most recent pandemic to match or eclipse it.
Well, SARS (which, note, is also a coronavirus) had a similar death rate [to H1N1] back in 2002-2003, but was rapidly contained, far before it reached pandemic status. More notably, Swine Flu may also have matched or been worse than COVID-19, but I'm having trouble finding reliable numbers on it. Regardless, it can at least be said that COVID-19's lethality, while not at all near to the most extreme limit for such things, is nevertheless still of rare significance.
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What is your point? Corona virus has a mortality rate like 10 times higher than the normal flu. You don't think that deserves coverage?
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It's mass hysteria, not coverage, like the build up for the Iraq War. It reminds be of the H5N1. Same hysteria and basically almost no human casualties. It's not the first time so forgive me if I don't believe anything the "free media" has to say. Now that it's known that this virus is pretty pathetic yet the mass hysteria from the "free media" continues, speaks a lot.
Someone always has something to win, period.
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Even if there are not a huge amount of people dying, the virus is proving quite disruptive in areas where it's hit hard. Hospitals are having trouble taking care of the people with severe cases, because there are so many of them, something that does not normally happen during flu season.
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Covid-19 is around 34 times more lethal than influenza.
We have no vaccines to even blunt it's spread or limit it's virulence, and won't for at least a year or longer.
Sure the flu has killed more people in any given year, but not only are the fools comparing a years worth of deaths to something that's just starting, but the flu has reservoirs of infections all over the world to infect people from, this one is brand new to humans and has no reservoirs at all yet.
Yes, it is a serious issue!
No, don't panic, that's freaking useless and only makes things harder for everyone.
No, don't hoard supplies. You don't need 3,000 years of TP, and your neighbors might burn you on a toilet if you buy out the local stock.
Take reasonable precautions, avoid crowds unless necessary, and if you get sick do NOT expose others to it with the exception of going to whatever health care you have available.
All that should be really easy for anyone on this site except for trolls and morons. I'm not taking any stand on who falls into what category, all you readers can figure out which one you're in yourself.
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Here some kids seem devastated when their classes are quarantined because someone visited Italy and they have to sit home playing video games for couple weeks.
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Sit home and play video games??? Being a 2020's school kid sounds horrible 😱
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That's absolutely not how that works. Speaking as someone who teaches, this just means you'll have either online courses or you'll be given batches of tasks over time. You'll be playing video games for however long you'll have after finishing the tasks. Also, this means extra work since the homework needs to be checked and new tasks need to be gone over. This is nothing but more work for not just teachers, but also kids.
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I'm sure that's how teachers think it works out. The worst to suffer are parents who have to do their own job remote while having the kids home 24/7. Here kids started voting * for the app that we use for school stuff and they get their homework through. If the rating falls enough it will get removed from app stores so they can say they couldn't do any homework. The company making the software is now asking for parents to vote ***** to fight this.
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First of all, teachers aren't the ones making these decisions. Teachers don't shut schools down. That's the question that's dealt with by multiple government agencies in collaboration with literally no input from teachers.
Secondly, schools aren't there to take your kids away from you for peace and quiet. If that's the first problem that occurs, then you've not only done a bad job raising your children, but even worse, you're detrimental to the school system. If you have to worry about how they impact your productivity, then imagine how bad they are in "foreign turf" a.k.a. any place that isn't home (like schools). But yes, states of emergency and other extraordinary situations require people to be inconvenienced. I absolutely hate that I have to say this phrase, but... we live in a society. That means not only the government does stuff for us, but that we also do our part. Not sure what parent is sadistic enough to put their kids into the fire by putting them into one of the most infectious places in society. Those parents who have genuinely normal and decent kids aren't the ones complaining because most kids are independent enough to not require constant vigilant watch. Though, I can personally say that there are kids who do and they aren't like that because of what they didn't learn at 7 years old during math class.
As to the app store debacle, that's one app, that's one exception, that's one platform out of multiple. No need to pretend it's anything more than that. It happened once in Wuhan and it's in a notorious area for youth being more politically charged after the beginning of the spread of COVID-19 due to feeling wronged.
So don't pretend it's happening in Finland because it isn't. In fact, I've used your systems, especially Moodle and I'm aware that first of all, the mobile app is garbage, but literally every mainstream system you have has their main system accessible on desktop, with the companion app acting as a limited version to access the same thing. What you said is just plainly untrue. As for DingTalk, yeah, obviously that's the public statement. "Please fight this". I mean, yeah, the playing field's different there. If you're not aware, App Store works differently there with its ToS and its general obligations. The main thing being that it has to self-regulate, especially when it comes to speech and so on. So lower rated apps get auto-removed, something which just doesn't happen in the EU/US.
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I never claimed teachers did any decision, they are merely following the orders of our government and emergency laws.
That's exactly what schools mean for parents, some hours of peace and quiet without teenagers. Don't try to pretend like having 2-3 kids home 24/7 is some kind of dream for parents if they can't go out either. You seem to have some kind of utopistic idea of how kids act outside school. :)
I have no idea about what is happening with schools in Wuhan. But how on Earth can you pretend to know more about them in Finland than me? How many Finnish news medias are you following? You don't even know the name of the most used one so I suggest you Babelfish that or something so we can talk about the same thing. You can argue all you want about how app stores work wherever, this doesn't change the fact one bit that kids are actually trying to accomplish that which got noticed by the company making the app so it was all over our news media.
https://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/te/c1e2688e-c9db-4d4a-83f0-2b1f857f959f?ref=ampparit:7c05
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"That's exactly what schools mean for parents, some hours of peace and quiet without teenagers. Don't try to pretend like having 2-3 kids home 24/7 is some kind of dream for parents if they can't go out either."
Right? Is it supposed to? Is having kids ever this bliss? Is that some level to expect? Bliss during a pandemic where over 1000 people died just yesterday? Do you think teachers love getting paid for 35 hours of work (depending on country, of course) for work that takes them around 200% their original time? I'm not even saying you can't complain about it. But like what do you expect? That there's a pandemic and suddenly parents get this free time (even though they still work 8h a day or more)? I'm genuinely confused what your idea here is?
Also, are you really arguing against the basic fact that most kids behave better with their parents? Child psych 101 here. Doesn't mean I'm giving a blanket statement for all kids, of course. But I'm obviously, like with any scientific info, talking about general stats.
"I have no idea about what is happening with schools in Wuhan. But how on Earth can you pretend to know more about them in Finland than me?" - Then why did you say that kids are getting apps pulled from app store? What are you on about then?
Also, how on Earth? We've got very similar education systems. If you're a student, then you only know the tip of the iceberg of the system. If you're a teacher (which you're not, unless suddenly this changes now), then you'll know that Estonia and Finland have very similar systems.
Read your own article: "The idea behind the challenge is to give the mobile version of the Wilma app used by schools one star rating. If the average review were sinking down enough, the app might disappear from mobile shops and homework could no longer be passed through it."
I don't have to follow news medias to know the basics of censorship laws in China vs. Europe. To know basic facts on how educational systems work. I don't need to be Finnish to know that you're literally currently talking of a companion app that's literally just a mobile version of what is a primarily desktop system.
Like, you literally don't even know the basic fact that teachers have to go through a curriculum. Saying "Here some kids seem devastated when their classes are quarantined because someone visited Italy and they have to sit home playing video games for couple weeks." as if that's not grievously false. It's ridiculous. Why even make a statement when you either know this to be false or when you genuinely are so unaware of these simple things?
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You still need to go tell the kids all that, they are the ones doing something, not me. And maybe buy all the kids some desktop they can use if they only have a phone. All this including how jubilant the kids are and how tired their parents are are simple facts that have also been all over news ever since the first classes got quarantined. If you can take that fact as some kind of attack against teachers then that is all on you. Of course everyone suffers one way or several from all this, some more than others.
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"You still need to go tell the kids all that, they are the ones doing something, not me." - True that. Though, tasks will include constant checking anyways, as per most classes. So whether it's an essay, online quiz in the end or even, as I've seen a couple teachers already do, asking for actual pictures of their workbooks having been filled out.
"If you can take that fact as some kind of attack against teachers then that is all on you" - But I'm not. I never even claimed that. You gave false information. There were no apps taken down. There are no kids just sitting around not doing tasks. There is no evidence that kids act better in schools than with their parents on average. There are no apps going to be taken down in Europe for low grades without actual checks if there are, say, actual massive influxes of scam reports. There shouldn't be expectations for parents to have a quarantine without people being home.
You didn't really go after teachers specifically to begin with.
Parents will be tired, teachers will be, kids will be. This is strenuous for all. If parents don't account for their kids health and instead complain, then they've got their priorities kind of fucked. Not saying a good old bitching session ain't in order, but that's all it should be. Bitching. In the end, what kind of a parent complains that their kid's near them if that's the safest place for them to be at that time?
I get it. Times are tough. But this spread of misinformation that kids are staying home, playing video games and not studying just does nothing more than erode people's faith in education workers even more than it already has been eroded. Even now, you already have 2 responses totally just throwing their thumbs up and saying sarcastic stuff at the account of hard-working kids or a parent that is shocked that infection spreading gets stopped by social distancing.
The last thing situations like this need are just throwaway comments that are critical of the hard work that everyone else is doing for kids just because parents have to stay home with kids. Yeah, no need to throw needless and undeserved shade at those that work twice as hard as they're paid for at a profession that's less and less respected by the year. Teachers don't need respect, but damn if they need disrespect.
Whatever, it is what it is. Just sucks that such a crappy situation has gotten more populist shouts than ever.
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I never gave any false information, that seems to be your job as you pretend to know everything about every kid anywhere much better than their parents. I literally only told you what kids here are doing which can be proven quite easily by facts and got reported by both the devs of the software and many news medias here. And it's not the 2 cases you imagine it is, Wuhan and FInland, it's as global as social media.
Yeah I'm quite sure there has never been a teenager in the history of Earth that didn't work hard for school and try to avoid all extra work any way possible. They are all always much better than their parents because of some universal law and as such are incapable of doing anything stupid. What kind of utopia do you live in or were you never a kid yourself? Nobody was disrespecting teachers in any way except the kids.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/13/the-dumb-dangerous-challenges-tiktok-has-spawned-so-far-this-year/
Is this completely fake news too since a kid would never do anything stupid if dared by social media? Or is downvoting a homework app the only stupid thing they can do? Or do they just do dumb challenges that can be fatal, not the ones that they imagine will get them less work?
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Just last night they send out a message to parents that the schools around here are shut down after today (13 march) until 1 april. (No joke)
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That's how states of emergency work. It's an emergency, not a planned shutdown. Viruses don't wait for anyone's queue. It's inconvenient, but it's also necessary. In fact, you got a really solid leadup since it led straight into the weekend, letting you get your affairs in order in a hasty, but reasonable amount of time for what is, again, a literal emergency.
I don't get how people are so shocked that such a situation changes their daily lives.
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I'm actually surprised it took as long as it did for these measures to have been taken, and that's my state, the federal level is significantly worse and still behind!
Also, they've already extended the school closure in this district until the end of April now. Will probably do so again as this drags on.
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I don't think people of our generation are worried (for themselves), but no one wants to lose a parent or grandparent...
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I'm not worried for myself. I am worried for people in the at risk categories. There are a lot of people around that I notice only care about themselves... "who cares if I get it?" But... I do hope they have the common sense to still take precautions to avoid getting it and passing it on to other people around them. There's no guarantees, but at least we can try to fly under the virus's radar.
I managed to avoid Swine flu despite two of my close friends getting it. One of them, a healthy 22-year-old guy almost died. He was hospitalised and very very ill. It took a couple of months before he was feeling back to himself again after he was clear of the illness. It's not only people with underlying illnesses, some people are just worse affected by viruses than others. The Coronavirus is said to be even worse than flu for those who get the full-on whack of it.
They say about 14% are serious illness, 6% will be critical, everyone else (80%) will have mild to moderate symptoms. The mortality rate is now thought to be around 3.4%, but they are still evaluating.
So yes, I'm worried about people I love, and not about me.
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^This.
I caught a flu (not sure which one but it was pretty strong) last year, for me it was just around 3 days with fever but then like 2 weeks to go back to being fully healthy despite going to the doctor and taking antibiotics. The real issue is that the symptoms were so sudden that I didn't notice in time and got my grandma infected too (I was literally feeling well in the morning and awful by that night, a day I went to multiple places and saw plenty of people) and she almost died of it.
So yeah, I worry more about my parents and grandparents than for me.
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Ah, there's the catch for you. You took antibiotics, while the flu's a virus. It's basically like just taking sugar pills, but instead of perhaps getting a higher blood sugar, you're killing healthy bacteria.
The flu is awful though, I can confirm.
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As I said, I don't really remember if it was a flu or what, I just went to the doctor and got prescribed something with a weird name that got rid of the sickness in just two or three days after spending almost two weeks feeling like crap (the first doctor just gave me ibuprofeno and it did nothing). When you're feeling dizzy constantly you can forget details.
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Totally fair. Just in case thought I'd mention it in case someone else even reads it.
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Agreed. I'm in China, and my first reaction was to panic that I might get it asymptomatically and spread it to the kids I teach without realizing it. (It's since come out that most children only get very mild symptoms, but a lot of kids here live with elderly grandparents or nannies and it would be disastrous to have them bring it home from school with them.)
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you can help science and medecine with foldit game
it helps decyphering folding for proteins/virus so corona vaccine can be better designed
there is also https://foldingathome.org/ to give you computer idle power
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There are three things that actually bother me about corona virus:
- the health of my parents, that live faraway in a redish area and that I cannot support directly.
- the economy of my country, that was stagnant at best during the last 20 years and could quite sink now.
- the idiocy of people blaming specific people for the outbreak, first the Chinese and then the Italians; they are so close minded not to understand what is the true agent of the outbreak: the so beloved globalization.
EDIT: honorable mention to the smartasses that try to move away with their "load" before movement restrictions rise.
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This whole situation brought up the best and the worst of our people.
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Meh, let it hit me. I have an immune system from hell. NOTHING gets through me.
I once went 8 YEARS without getting sick. Then again, I did catch pneumonia to end it. Hell, if I'm going to get sick then DAMNIT! I'M GOING TO GET SICK RIGHT!
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I'm French and the government is totally incompetent
but isn't a suprise ... since december the country has tons of manifestation for the reform about retirement ... and now they use the Covid to say " hey demonstration of more than 5k people is prohibited" + the 49.3 in the constitution , the far aberration in our 5th constituion ...
But people are stupid too , rush about mask who are ineffective etc etc ...
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https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
Updates multiple times a day.
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The international map is probably more interesting / relevant for most people here, but if anyone is in Japan or interested in what's happening there's a detailed national map below.
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The coronavirus is really not that different from the normal seasonal flu in terms of how contagious it is and the mortality rate. The issue is that there is no vaccine, so the population as a whole is more susceptible. The primary concern in the healthcare industry is that the virus will cause medical services to become overwhelmed, which could result in even people with unrelated health issues not being able to receive adequate care. The panic around the virus is causing more people to go to the doctor across the board even if they don't have the virus.
The thing I don't understand though is closing schools and universities and things. This virus isn't going to go away for months probably, judging from the duration of other major pandemics like the swine flu. Are they just going to not have school for the rest of this year?
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Closing down schools, universities, pubs, clubs, church services, concerts, football games are ways to stem how fast this thing might spread in areas that have already been hit. Lots more people might get sick eventually, but if everything goes ahead as normal allowing infections to go unchecked, hospitals will be so overwhelmed with new cases all at the same time. They're doing the right thing. If they can slow down the rate of infection, they can treat people more safely and possibly save more lives.
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My university, while not being one of the biggest in my country, has about 6 thousand students, from all over the country. We live in a small country, so it's normal for students, at least for those who don't live in the area, to go home at least on the weekends, or going to, at least once per month, for those who live further. Since we are a small university, we only have two canteens in the campus, both small are usually crowded with people during lunch hours, where people usually sit really close to each other, and the buildings usually see lots of movement during lectures hours. With this said, in my university, its really easy to propagate the virus between students, and since we have students from all the country, all it takes is one infected student, without symptons for a week or two, to infect other students in the university, who are going to infect their families in their home towns, causing people to be infected in the whole country, creating a snowball effect.
With this said, it should be easy to understand why closing these establishments can slow down the virus propagation.
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"The coronavirus is really not that different from the normal seasonal flu in terms of how contagious it is and the mortality rate."
Well...I think you are wrong.
Flu have 0,1% death rate and basic reproduction number (R0) 1.3.
Coronavirus have 1-4% death rate (hard to tell at the moment) and basic reproduction number (R0) depending on the area somewhere between 2 and 4.
"The thing I don't understand though is closing schools and universities and things. This virus isn't going to go away for months probably, judging from the duration of other major pandemics like the swine flu. Are they just going to not have school for the rest of this year?"
Well alive people can get education a year later if needed but dead people can get no education. Also less people in one place = faster end of pandemic as sick people will either get well or die but will not infect many other peoples.
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They know that closing schools and universities won't stop the virus. Every country has a limit number of intensive care units. Ireland has only 5.2 intensive care units per 100,000 people. Britian has 7 per 100,000. That's half the average for most of Europe, which is around 12.
By closing schools and universities, they're essentially "flattening the curve." If they can slow down the rate of infection so that everyone doesn't get sick at the same time, they can potentially save a lot more lives with the limited resources that they have.
If 10,000 people got sick with the virus in one week, the chances are that up to 10% could die. However if that same 10,000 gets sick over a longer stretch of time, the death percentage could be lowered significantly. It makes a lot of sense in the long run.
And university students can continue to learn online. If they are too lazy to do the work from home without the discipline of a classroom, that's their prerogative, but the online teaching will be there for them to ensure that they still graduate. Most universities have Autumn and Spring graduations. Courses that require practical work or lab work will probably just graduate at the later one. Young children can be homeschooled, so that's not a huge deal. I don't think anyone is going to miss out on that much, so long as they ensure they continue their own education, or the education of their children. My cousin is 7 and my aunt is getting schoolwork via email for him. =)
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110k infected over 75000000000 of humans in the world.
people that die are 99% old people that will die for just a wind hit or with any cronic ill that had before, only a few good and strongh people die.
80% just have slight sintoms.
3% of letal where almost all deaths are old people 50+++ years old, the older, the more chances to die, anyway they can die by this coronavirus or another virus like fluu / grippe / influenza.
scared?? psh.. not really, i want to get it?? obviously not.
it's more, probably more than one person got that coronavirus and tought it was a simple ill and passed, or maybe they already had it and they don't know it.
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I'm just curious, do you have parents? Grandparents? Saying it's "only" old people that die doesn't make this any better if you ask me. It's also not like it's either/or. This is yet another thing that can be fatal.
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all deaths in my country by this coronavirus was for people of more than 75 years old and one of 59 years old. (78 / 82 / 83 / 87 / 88 / 90 / 92 / 99 / etc.....) also all of them got any other critic condition (except the 59 years old)
when you are that old (more than 75 years old) that you are more a zombie in life that can't actualy do anything by yourself than actualy living a happy life it's better to die.
parents?? grandparents?? that have nothing to do with being happy (for them), if they are bad that it's a torture to live it's better that they die fast and without pain.
it's being hipocrite to don't want them die only because you want to be with them. (i don't mean i want them to die, i mean something like if they are living a torture it's better if they are death, not because i want, but because at least they stop the torture)
what i said maybe sound strange, and isn't how i wanted to say or what i wanted to trasmit, english isn't my best language to speak and it's really dificult to trasmit what i want to say about this.
anyway the older you are, the more torture it's to live by your body condition etc....
anyway the question of the thread was "are you scared of coronavirus", and my answer was no and why i'm not scared.
so your comment it's irrelevant to this cause and only show that make you hurt in any way.
in the actual world anything can kill you, one day the beer it's good for the body and the next day some cientificts say that give you cancer, 2 months later it's good again.
pesticides
any guy/girl driving a car and killing you by accident because they was high or drunk
a crazy guy that work on the industry of meat that put some poison in a random pieces and you eat it.
or a simple crazy guy with a gun that decide to shoot from a building in a concert.
in this world anything can kill you, you think you are safe??? don't make me laught, coronavirus isn't that bad compared to other things.
coronavirus or ebola?? witch you prefer??? i go straight to coronavirus 20 times before have 1 time ebola.
malaria and other worse illness than coronavirus are there in the world.
god at least the 50% of that people that die with the coronavirus would die by just an strongh cold also.
the autorities just try to scare people because they are scared that spread all over the world, the contagion it's so fast and that 3% of death in 110K people it's nothing, but in 7500000000 millions of people......... judge by yourself.
just watch how scared it's the people about it, when the 80% of people if they caught it they will probably don't know it is coronavirus and they are going to think it's an strongh cold.
people buying mask as if that would save them, people empty shops, etc... etc....
there's worse things in the world that are more letal/fatal than the coronavirus, but the news/autorities just create panic to the population.
god there's even people with the coronavirus that are asymptomatics, not even fever.
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You make a lot of assumptions there. Just because someone is old doesn't make them a zombie, and it doesn't always mean a life of pain. There are plenty of 80 year olds who feel young, love life and would very much like to keep on living. You can't apply your ideas about what old age is to everyone else.
A virus also doesn't pick and choose who it affects. I think your attitude is pretty disrespectful to the people who wants nothing more than to live. We all needs to keep this virus at bay, regardless of if it has the potential to hurt us specifically, so that these people don't die when they could have been saved. It's our responsability as human beings.
You are right in that I was "hurt in some way", simply because we all should be taking care of each other as best we can. We are all human beings, and we're all on this planet together. We all deserve life if we so choose. To die just some jackass half-way across the world didn't care enough to wash their hands or take the simplest of precautions is disrespectful to an offensive degree. And it should be to everyone.
As for "anything can kill you". Yes, there is a lot of things that can kill you. Does that mean you drive without your seatbelt? Or that you don't look when crossing the street? No, of course not. That's because when something can be avoided, we strive do that. Unexpected things do happen, but there's a difference between things we can affect and things we can't. A viral outbreak like this is something we can have an impact on - if everyone pulls their weight.
You also seem to think that it's not a big deal because there's other viruses that also kills people. That doesn't make any sense either. It's not like it's either coronavirus or the flu. Currently, we have both. It's one more thing that can hurt us. Comparing it to something worse doesn't mean it's not bad.
In this case, we need a little panic. We need everyone to do their best to minimize the impact of the outbreak. It's really that simple. The fact that there are people with the virus who are asymptomatic is not a good thing - it's the oppposite. Those people spread the virus the most effectively. There's a reason virologists are freaking out when they see asymptomatic patients. It's the worst possible thing that can happen when there's an outbreak. It is not a sign that the virus isn't all that dangerous.
You only seem to be looking at this through the lens of yourself, completely ignoring the other billions of people on this planet. I would respectfully urge you to please broaden your perspective a bit.
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" It's our responsability as human beings"
we have a lot of responsability not only on that virus, and we never do nothing, don't be hipocrite that how this virus it's "mainstream" right now, you are cool because you try your best, specialy when this virus isn't as bad as you think, check some google deaths around the world and age about all tipes of ill etc... you will be surprised.
as an example, malaria kill 48K people every year and not only kills very old people,
one ill that in any other country that isn't the "third world" is considered erradicated.
i love this phrase
"You only seem to be looking at this through the lens of yourself, completely ignoring the other billions of people on this planet. I would respectfully urge you to please broaden your perspective a bit."
you are doing exactle the same right now, you got hurt because my comment and came here to spread your "love".
you talk a lot of help and take care of others but what are you doing to help others??? nothing, you let people die in Africa of hungry.
you let a prostitute in the corner of your house continue doing that because you don't help her to get out of that world.
but eh!!! you buy a mask to don't make ill to others of coronavirus!!! you are a good person!!! (ah no!! wait people are buying it to don't get infected)
people want to live how you said so the best you can do it's not spread the ill of this virus no?? who cares about the people dying of hungry, who cares about you are so cool and good taking care that people don't get caught by this virus from your part.
we need panic??? no, we need information and we need that experimented people teach us how to avoid and act in X circustances.
you obviously are another tipical person that do the things not because you want do them, but because it is what you should do or because it is what it's expected by this society.
you care about others?? don't make me laught, you care about the people you know and are near of you (family / friends), you doesn't care at all about the people of the other side of the world, you will never do nothing for them unless you get any benefit from it (maybe a like for your facebook account?? or a subscriber for your youtube channel???).
so don't be an hipocrite.
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Firstly, I'm gonna say you make a helluva lot of assumptions about what I do and don't do. You have no idea. It honestly seems more like you simply assume everyone else is exactly like yourself - and that's not the case, I assure you.
Secondly, you're arguing against points I never made here. Not sure what the purpose of that is, but it's just nonsense.
... and lastly. I treat the prostitute on the corner of my house damn well. Don't you ever say anything about that again.
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well you started this because you got hurt by my comment if we was scared or not about coronavirus, so why you say now that i arguing against points you never made?
you act exactly as i described, idk if you help or not other people, but i bet you are not doing it, we will never know it because if you say yes there's no way we can say if you are lying or not, so that's a death point.
but if you start complaining about others out of context expect that the answer will be "out of context also", don't throw the stone and hide the hand.
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So whatever I say, you won't believe me and that's that? Then you accuse me of throwing stones and hiding? That's ironic, mate.
If you don't realize that's an impossible way to discuss anything, I can't help you.
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there's nothing to believe, you got mad about my first message and you started all of this, so now don't act as a victim, if you don't have any real argument to say it's better you just shut up.
and yes, i acuse you of throwing stones and hiding, you keep doing it even in your last message, the evidence it's there.
but don't worry that happen when you find a wall in your face, one wall that you created and now you can't traspass it.
so if you start something, be sure that you can finish it.
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Nothing to finish, since you proudly say you won't listen to anything I have to say. You're not discussing, or arguing anything, you're just trolling at this point. I'm done here.
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there's nothing to discuss, you even said in a previous answer, you just came here to argue about something outside of context of what the creator of this post asked.
so again, don't act as a victim and if you are going to start something improductive be sure that you can at least finish it.
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You don't care about people living on the other side of the world. That's you. That's not everyone. Of course, there is absolutely nothing we can do for those people from the other side of the world, but my heart still goes out to them. When I see someone writing "my elderly mum lives in an affected area" of course I feel for them. I don't have to know someone to understand how they feel and wish them and their elderly mum well.
You might lack empathy and call older people "zombies" but one day, you too will be old, and I wonder if you will like it if some teenager comes along and calls you a zombie. I HOPE you are really young, because that is honestly the only excuse I can think of for your line of thinking. Life is extremely short and those years will pass you by in the blink of an eye. Will you think of yourself as a zombie when you are over 70?
When someone is 75, they have more experience than you of the world, their body might be older, but they are still the same person that they were when they were 35. Unless they've been unlucky enough to have dementia or another illness, an older person can still be living life to the fullest, well into their 90s. Please stop thinking every older person is disabled, that's just ageist thinking that really has no place in a modern society.
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you confuse empathy with do things for others.
and yes i will be old one time and i will die also by an ill if i don't die by any accident, that's the fate of all the people.
that don't change the thing that it's better to die than live in a torture.
i don't think older person are disabled, you just make your own film about what i think.
not going to even waste my time with you writing here a book to explain to you nothing.
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I would not want to die at 75 years old. I do not consider being a little slower at doing things to be "living in torture." No, you didn't use the word disabled, but that's exactly what you're implying.
You do not need to explain anything to me. I think I understood you perfectly, and I absolutely understand the meaning of the word "empathy."
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you don't understood nothing, you are just asuming things based on your own toughts.
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what u don't understand is : If the virus contagion spread up, intensive care at hospital collpase..and if you (generic) have a car incident and require an intense treatment, u don't have it ...is this more clear to u?
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idk if you replied to me, anyway..... we are not talking about that so....... no comments.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/zrx2e/offcourse-you-can-now-get-the-corona-virus-on-your-pc-too that one was kind of a joke, and some hated "promoting" those games.
Anyway it's starting to spread larger and larger in countries and throughout the whole world, are you scared, are you prepared or you act like it's just like the flu?
Meter/map:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Other news/tips/prevention
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/can-a-face-mask-stop-coronavirus-covid-19-facts-checked
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/dont-panic-the-comprehensive-ars-technica-guide-to-the-coronavirus/
https://fold.it/ Download and play Foldit and you can help researchers discover new antiviral drugs that might stop coronavirus!
https://time.com/5791661/who-coronavirus-pandemic-declaration/
"Outbreak is ‘deeply concerning,’ with ‘alarming levels of spread and severity.’"
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