Yess, give me Whose Line on Steam, I'll pay full price
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You can watch all of Whose line for free on CW site.... http://cwseed.com/shows/whose-line-is-it-anyway
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Seen it all, still want it on Steam, just cause :P
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I feel like this will hurt the sites image to newcomers as they will likely see a slough of free games given away.
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I doubt it. There might be an initial rush, but after that...
Remember, games that are now permanently free still can't be given away. The vast majority of games on the no-value list are going to be games that had one or two free giveaways, possibly years in the past. People had no reason to stockpile those keys (and still have no reason to do so), so what you'll see is occasional giveaways for some of them (often just when they happen to be in a bundle rather than from the original free giveaway). In theory someone could stockpile a bunch and dump them all, but I imagine it won't happen much.
I might suggest having no-value giveaways not appear on your total number of giveaways in your profile, though (so they don't affect your at-a-glance ratio.)
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Agreed, even though my contributor level just took a hiding lol-dee-lol-lol.
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Hmm, so I wait and I get the trash I have been looking for... Sounds good!
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What is the difference between No Value Games and Free Games? The free games will be a no value game after a period of time? Why free games? Why not just put every free game at the start on the no value list?
Hmm, I think you will have more work to do as before, because now you need to add free games, remove free games after the end, put free games on the no value list -.-
Also I don think i will change anything, neither they will less fake giveaways. There will be more than before.
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No Value Games: No contributor value when they are given away after a set date.
Free Games: Not able to be given away, because they are currently free.
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An example of a No Value Game would be a game where a developer gives away 100,000 copies on another site. Users have obtained a lot of keys for free so it should no longer give users contributor value, but at the same time the game is still available for sale on Steam, and users that missed the giveaway would like a chance to win a copy of the game.
An example of a Free Game is Dota 2. Anyone can redeem a copy on their Steam account right now, and there's no purpose in having giveaways.
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Free Games: Not able to be given away, because they are currently free.
The 'currently free' part then always only refers to the price on Steam?
Are games affected that have special promotions where they are temporarily (1-2 days) acquirable for free directly to the user's Steam account (without gift-able copies being generable)?
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It doesn't only apply to Steam prices. For example, if a developer decides to give away free keys on their company website for the month of August, then we'll disable their game from the giveaway list for the month of August. Once they stop their free promotion, we'll bring the game back, but for no contributor value.
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Most game giveaways run through 3rd party websites for short time-frames of between a few hours up to a day or 2.
Will they get blocked at first too or only set to No-Value?
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The games should be removed from the giveaway list while they're free. That being said, if they're only free for a few hours or days, there's a good chance we won't get around to temporarily removing them for that short of time period. However, we will assign the game no value with a date matching the start of the promotion, so all giveaways after that point will not be generating contributor value.
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Will we get a free-game listing with dates like for bundle games?
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Are you going to reduce the SG point value to 0 to reflect the ones like this or keep them at their store value? I'm hoping you will reduce them to 0. As far as groups are concerned ratio and value difference are big rules in some groups. Imagine $15 x 10, 20 or even more copies for something involved in a free mass giveaway.
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0P will only lead to everyone entering everything.
Groups can make their own rules as needed.
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Further examples - the following are already in the list of giveaways as No Value Games (marked with double-asterisks):
- Dead by Daylight
- Euro Truck Simulator 2
- Limbo
- Shadow Warrior Special Edition (note: the non-special edition is not on the list)
- Teleglitch: Die More Edition
I believe the following should qualify, but are not yet in the list available for giveaways:
- Descent Underground
- Deponia
- Dino D-Day
- Dirt 3
- Divide by Sheep
- Enemy Mind
- Grid (removed)
- Hitman 2: Silent Assassin
- Hitman Sniper Challenge (removed)
- Hook
- Horizon Shift
- Just Cause 2: Agency Hovercraft
- Just Cause 2: Bull's Eye Assault Rifle DLC
- Just Cause 2: Chevalier Classic
- Just Cause 2: Monster Truck DLC
- Just Cause 2: Rico's Signature Gun
- Killing Floor
- Lichdom: Battlemage
- Loot Hero DX
- Lords of the Fallen (The non-Game of the Year version)
- Lucius
- Machine Made: Rebirth
- Metro 2033
- Naval Warfare
- Nether: Resurrected
- Not the Robots
- Penny Arcade's On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 3
- Precipice of Darkness 2
- Pid
- Planetary Annihilation (Digital Deluxe Commander Bundle is listed as reduced price)
- Really Big Sky
- SpaceChem
- SpaceChem - 63 Corvi DLC
- SpecOps: The Line
- Stealth Inc. 2
- SUPERHOT
- The Blue Flamingo
- The Bureau: XCOM Declassified - Light Plasma Pistol DLC
- The Deer God
- The Red Solstice
- The Ship: Murder Party
- Total War: ATTILA - Blood & Burning DLC
- Total War: ROME II - Blood & Gore DLC
- Total War: Shogun 2 - Blood Pack DLC
- Tropico 3: Gold Edition
- Tropico 4: Steam Special Edition
- Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II Ultramarines Pack DLC
- X-COM: UFO Defense
Examples of Free Games include many adventure games first episodes, which were originally not free and so may have old keys floating around (Life is Strange, The Descendant, Telltale's Batman and Borderlands game, etc.). Free-to-play games that started out as regular games (Evolve, now Evolve Stage 2, for example) may have provided Steam keys, as well as games that have simply gone free, such as Sang-Froid: Tales of Werewolves.
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So it would seem - I'm afraid I only know because it was on the list, and a checked it against the drop-down list in the page to create a giveaway. Sorry, I should have credited my source: "Can we have a list of games that cannot be created as giveaway? (Unofficial List inside)"
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Two years ago(approx) on amazon, borderlands2 cosmetic dlc as well.
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When was Euro Truck Simulator 2 free, I don't remeber that
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I'm afraid I wasn't able to find that, and I must have missed it when it occurred in spite of keeping track of giveaways like that here and on Reddit. I did a Google search looking for mentions of such a giveaway in the past, but none of the sites claiming to offer free copies ETS2 looked reputable enough to take my browser any closer.
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I think the reason it was removed was a price glitch @ www.simuwelt.de where you could get it for free about a year ago.
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Why is Dead by daylight a no value game? It isn't even in bundle games - section?
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10000 copies were given away for free at Alienware.
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Damn, it's my wishlist game and i didn't know that. When was it? And why isn't this game in bundle section, and it's in no value games list, makes no sense...
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https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/hganr/free-alienware-arena-dead-by-daylight-over + https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/BvTCd/ended-free-dead-by-daylight-deluxe-edition-awa-lvl-10-3dlc-lvl-5-update-check-you-mail
Once a game is given away for free in big quantities it used to be removed totally from SG (now it will become No Value Game instead) in order to fight possible exploitation. You could farm free game multiple times using multiple accounts to earn coutless amount of Value and levels on SG otherwise.
So for you it's actually good change - previously all Dead by Daylight GAs were prohibited because of these free GAs, now you will be able to win this game if someone decides to make GA for it.
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"However, please be patient as we work through the 1,000+ games that were previously blocked, and add them back to the giveaway list when appropriate." - On the OP post
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free game activated with key sometimes give additional in-game bonuses,trading cards & +1 in library so better add them in No Value Game list & remove Free Game list
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This should be added to OP. It's really helpful to make everything understandable as va3victis points out
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There are some other games with different issue. Kinda like the bundle-status date but in reverse: the game had value X before certain date:
TUG https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/DQw7d/tug
-used to have value, but no price in Steam Store since Jan 16, 2016 https://steamdb.info/sub/37891/history/?changeid=U:2752825
Darksiders https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/0Umnv/darksiders
-removed from sale in Steam Store on Nov 29, 2016 https://steamdb.info/sub/6208/history/?changeid=U:4376857
Raywin https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/AmvCw/raywin
-no price in Steam Store currently, seems to be removed on March 10, 2017: https://steamdb.info/sub/72854/history/?changeid=U:4687564
Sentinel https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/HC3s7/sentinel
-used to have value before going free to play on Sep 5, 2016 https://steamdb.info/sub/126185/history/?changeid=U:3595762
Faeverse Alchemy https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/xFvXE/faeverse-alchemy
-used to have value before it became free to play game on May 11, 2016 https://steamdb.info/app/282880/history/?changeid=1951711
Gem Wars: Attack of the Jiblets https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/ta1ie/gem-wars-attack-of-the-jiblets
-used to have value, now free game since Feb 7, 2017 https://steamdb.info/sub/154080/history/?changeid=2678973
Sam & Max 301: The Penal Zone https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/l9c9X/sam-max-301-the-penal-zone
-now combined into Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse package http://store.steampowered.com/sub/4172/ = http://store.steampowered.com/app/901399/ which was not available to be given away at SG before?
also would be really nice if there is a searchable list of the free games like https://www.steamgifts.com/bundle-games at https://www.steamgifts.com/free-games
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Darksiders base version isn't being sold therefore price 0.
Api view sees basically that:
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=darksiders
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"However, please be patient as we work through the 1,000+ games that were previously blocked, and add them back to the giveaway list when appropriate." - On the OP post
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Good news, thanks! Even no value games have value to someone ;)
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So what are the best games that this will make giveaway'able now? The good ones I know of:
- Binary Domain
- Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition
- Dead by Daylight
- DiRT 3 Complete Edition (delisted)
- DiRT Showdown (delisted)
- GRID (delisted)
- Hitman 2: Silent Assassin
- Hover: Revolt of Gamers
- Limbo
- Lovely Planet
- Megabyte Punch
- Metro 2033 (delisted)
- Shadow Warrior: Special Edition
- Syberia
- Syberia II
- SpaceChem
- SUPERHOT
- Teleglitch: Die More Edition
- X-COM: UFO Defense
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Golden Joystick did so back a while ago. It was for the EU only (though the keys were not region locked) back in march of last year.
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That was a big clusterfuck. IIRC in reality non-EU accounts claimed nearly all the keys and EU was shafted. And the limited quantity ran out fast.
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Well, I have good news for you! Now you can win one on Steamgifts. Maybe.
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And here i bought it back in July last year :/
What about Binary domain when was it given away?
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Thank you for this list, added Hover to my wishlist :)
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"However, please be patient as we work through the 1,000+ games that were previously blocked, and add them back to the giveaway list when appropriate." - On the OP post
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Who were you trying to respond to? This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the list I posted...
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That is SUPERHOT, I can't believe you were so lucky as to pick a "super hot gif" and not only get a game called SUPERHOT but even more so a game that has been free and thus blocked on this site before but should now (or soon) be possible to be given away by this very change. I applaud your efforts.
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But when I try to all I get is this:
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Ooh, scary. Or maybe not if you're an exhibitionist, I suppose you would be pleased then.
Well, that's the only link I can think of at the moment. Maybe try again later, if the watchers go to sleep?
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I think I saw a watcher. But I kind of wish I hadn't.
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Yes! I see him too, behind that strange frog. Red cape and all, why is he so mysterious?
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Superman had a falling out with the frog so he pouted a bit. He thinks that makes the ladies think "Oh, he's so mysterious!" 🙄
I saw another watcher. Then I noticed my games count...
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Superman? This goes far more deeper than I first thought.
Is it an alien invasion?
"666"?! Number of the, eh, green eye? Hm, I have a bad feeling about this... I'm scared...
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It does look like an invasion. But what could their master plan be?
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I dunno, mate. I bought it super cheap tho (like $0.50), so maybe it's considered too cheap?
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nope, it was free with gleam promo - https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/RIVWu/free-superhot-lords-of-the-fallen-digital-deluxe-over-again
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There were lots of really good games that simply could not be given away due to them being given away en mass sometime in the past, so I'm glad to see this implemented. :)
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Is that possible? Thought it gets blocked on 2nd try.
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What? This requires further explanation. I don't understand why you would go to the trouble of removing a game just to activate another key for the very same game. What is it that I'm missing here?
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Ah, you can't delete guest passes. I'd probably be in the risk zone of an OCD diagnose but this never bothered me :P
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Very interested in the Reduced Value Games. Does this mean if a game was given away before the set date, then it retains its full value? I always assumed this would be a huge amount of work for the site to implement.
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Just make sure that when making a GA that people are reminded that NV games will not give any CV. Otherwise the forums will be flooded with questions. I fear an asterisk will not be explicit enough.
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The asterisk should just be explained on the new-GA page.
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What I don't understand is why some games which were given on steam at some point for limited time were dis-listed, I mean you can not give them away you can only link them to your own account.
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Do you have any examples? Because I don't think any of those games were blocked.
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Most likely for some other reason then been free on steam (or some mod thought to add them to the list for the time that the game was free and just forgotten to take it away).
Jotun was free for example and you could make a giveaway for it even while it was free.
Then again, both games that you mentioned are not sold in steam if that has something to do. Why Payday 2: ultimate edition is missing, I have no clue, I'm pretty sure that has never been free anywhere.
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When you give away a game that was free in the past for no CV, does your number of "gifts sent" go up? I like the idea of being able to give these games for 0 CV because there are a lot of people that miss out on the free offer, but I feel that the giveaway creator and winner should not have their "gifts sent" and "gifts won" increased for this because this will cause people to hoard free games to create a ton of giveaways just to inflate their number of giveaways sent. This will make that number useless and if there is a limited number of keys available, people that actually want to get a free key for themselves will have less of a chance because of all the people hoarding as many as they can to give away here.
Edit: I'm not sure if others will agree with my opinion, but even if they do, it does not sound like an easy thing to implement to have certain giveaways not count towards your games sent and won.
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Happens all the time simply because of bundle trash (IndieGala, BundleStars, although BS sometimes has good bundles).
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all the people hoarding as many as they can
That happened and happens to full extent without SG already.
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Doesn't mean we should make the situation worse by giving hundreds or thousands of more people a reason to do it.
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Technically same happens with numbers vs real-cv too. Maybe this makes people look closer on that instead of just the absolute numbers. Considering offers of 500keys for 1 or 2 cent each or the whole dev-key scenario, it wasn't so clear since quite a while already.
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Looking at real CV doesn't answer my question or address any of my concerns.
Many groups will have to make broad adjustments to accommodate these changes when recruiting members, SGTools users will have to make adjustments with how they make giveaways, etc, etc, etc.
Real CV may be "important", but won:sent still plays a very big part on this site.
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If the list becomes accessible like the bundle-listing is, then SGTools/other scripts can display/calculate those numbers like doing it for bundled vs non-bundled right now.
Basically we need a FreeGame with dates listing.
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I don't really see how most people can "horde" a ton of free games to inflate their numbers since they were only free in a limited amount of time with sites like steam letting you add to your account or humble bundle where free key has an expire date to redeem. Of course if people really want to inflate their number it's easier to buy a few hundred of those .01-.05 cent trash games from "resell" sites to give away.
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I think there are many sites that give away free keys without any means to prevent people from taking as many as they want. People hoard the keys and then sell them when the free offer is expired. I recently saw a thread here on SG where someone was posting tons of keys that were free in the past (probably hundreds). I don't know how they got they keys, but I imagine they farmed them when they were free.
Also, I don't think the free keys on Humble ever expire, just the link to get the key on their site will expire. If you view the key and save it somewhere, it should be good forever.
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then sell them
very most free keys are worth 0
don't know how they got they keys
quite a few from high quantity bundles
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They may be worth 0 to people that were able to get a free copy or have something to trade for it, but if there is no more free promotion, they can sell the key for less than what Steam is selling it for and people will buy it if they want the game.
I'm pretty sure they are not from bundles because they were games that were free in the past and they had like 20 copies of some of the games. I tried looking for the thread, but I can't find it. I have seen other similar threads in the past.
Edit: This is the thread I was talking about. I have seen similar threads in the past and I think they had even more copies.
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all of those were given out multiple times and several were bundled cheaply often. Those who closely follow free game promotions could have gathered that amount without cheating or hording, but simply taking one each. Goes to show how often some games were tossed out.
They may be worth 0 ... people will buy it
You specifically said selling, which is for money. I guarantee you no one pays $ for any of the listed ones.
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So what you are saying is that once a game is given out for free, nobody ever buys that game again for money? I find that very hard to believe. Members of SG or other sites that offer trading may know better, but that is a small part of the internet. I bet a very large percent of gamers have never heard of SG and have never considered trading or just don't have anything to trade. If they don't have a problem buying from a site like G2A and they see a $3 or $5 game for $1.50, they will most likely buy it there. They do the same thing with selling cheap bundle games so why would you think they wouldn't do it with free games after the free promotion ends? They have nothing to lose.
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once a game is given out for free, nobody ever buys that game again
Those you linked yes, they were 90% bottom barrel crap. Hell half of it are unbuyable Digital Homicide ones.
have never considered trading
Then they won't buy from those key-'horders'/traders. That's what I meant, those who collect so many keys won't find a buyer. At best trading for another free or cheapo bundle game but no money.
If they don't have a problem buying from a site like G2A and they see a $3 or $5 game for $1.50, they will most likely buy it there.
Those willing to buy there are a) likely to know about trading and b) still won't buy the junk from the list. Only very few high demanded once free games retain value. Dark Souls for example.
All others rot in trade lists or <$0.50 prices of which min $0.35 are fees on resellers with practically no turnover.
So no, you can't make money with these. There is a reason that guy/people toss out the keys in public. They wouldn't if those could be sold.
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This is the recent thread I was talking about.. That isn't even that bad, I'm sure some people use bots and hoard hundreds of copies and then sell them after the free promotion ends. I have seen other similar threads in the past and I think they were giving away even more copies.
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Yea, I was wondering this too. I don't think they should count towards games sent.
Though, I do think they should still count towards games won (so as to somewhat deter people from entering every single one of these 0 point giveaways).
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... and that raises another question.
Will they be 0p giveaways? Or the price that the Steam API reports, and just return no CV when delivered?
The OP leaves a lot of unanswered questions.
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I hope they cost points to enter the giveaways to discourage people from entering every 0 point giveaway just to +1 their Steam accounts.
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That's not a bad idea to count them as a win. I don't think they should add CV to your wins, but adding a game won would be ok. I also think they should cost points to enter to discourage game collectors from enter every 0 point giveaway just to get a +1 on their Steam account instead of people that may actually want to play the game.
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What about having it completely separate like this:
Gifts Won:
Gifts Sent:
Free Gifts Sent (or No CV Gifts Sent):
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That would be fine, but I don't see a reason for it. They were free and that number probably won't mean much to anyone viewing your account, so why show it? I just like the idea of being able to give away free games for no value as a fair way to give the game away without just dropping the key in the discussion boards and having the first ninja or bot grab it as a +1 to their Steam account.
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I have hundreds of there games and I bought them for real money. I would like to have there at least the number even if it doesn't mean anything for most of people.
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I have a lot of keys as well that I bought in old bundles and then they were given away for free so I couldn't give them away here, I think I had around 70 at one point before I started giving them away. The problem is that the number you see there will be mixed with games that were given away in mass for free and most people will just give away hundreds of free games and have a large number there. People that look at that number on your account will just assume it is mostly games that were free, they won't realize that they were games you paid for in the past, so I don't see the point.
I don't mind either way, I just thought it would be more complicated for the site to keep track of and maybe a bit more confusing for people looking at someones profile.
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No, we are talking about separate information about sent free games.
Gifts Won:
Gifts Sent:
Free Gifts Sent (or No CV Gifts Sent):
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Yes, I know that. Having a separate number won't be confusing to most regular users of the site, but just look at how many threads are created asking how to level up or gain CV. There will probably be just as many threads asking if there is a benefit to giving away free games when they see the free giveaways counted on profiles.
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I see but I think that updated Guidelines should be enough. We cannot do or don't something because of people who don't read Guidelines.
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That's true. I also wonder how many threads are going to be created by people asking why they created a giveaway, but are still level 0 or their CV didn't increase. There are already a lot of threads asking why the game they want to give away is not on the list, now they will be able to create the giveaway, there will just be a ** next to the name of the game. I'm sure most people will not know what that means or not even see it. It would be nice if there was an actual warning box that shows on the page when you select a free game to give away letting you know the game was free in the past and that you will not receive any CV for giving it away.
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+1
This would avoid messing up existing metrics (used by many groups and SGTools GAs), and will still give some credit to those who gift the free games.
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i don't want my "5k sent games" to mean nothing at all any longer due to this change. i mean it doesn't really mean much as it is really, but it at least is not artificially inflated like some people may begin to think after this change.
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With dev-keys in the hundreds that already is the case. Without a closer look nothing is clear since a long time.
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Fantastic change, once again. Thanks for the awesome work, cg. :)
Now please look into my ticket about changing my username. :(
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Will we be able to have a page that lists "no-value games" at some point, just as the bundled games page before?
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There is already one...... games given free = no value https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/pJRbR/can-we-have-a-list-of-games-that-cannot-be-created-as-giveaway-unofficial-list-inside
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It doesn't list the dates they become "no-value", and it requires forum user for maintenance. A built-in page of the site automates the process and it will be helpful for calculating accurate CV.
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"For assistance, when you're creating a giveaway, the game list will show * next to games that are Reduced Value Games, and ** next to games that are No Value Games. Keep in mind, these icons are just for reference, and similar to before, the value of a giveaway can change if we need to make retroactive changes."
last cg paragraph so when you about to make a game: *= 15% **= no value, so a list is not really require since it tells you the value when you are creating the giveaway
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However, we will assign the game no value with a date matching the start of the promotion, so all giveaways after that point will not be generating contributor value.
So you still need what that date or point is, if you need to know your current contributor value based on the giveaways you have finished and successfully received by winners. Basically the same principle as how you would calculate CV for games that are bundled.
Giveaways created before that point still give original value (or 15% if after bundled date), and no value if created after that point.
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Might be good to have more than one person doing the bundled / free / no value determinations.
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This is good. Also, for anyone who gets concerned about the potential problem of free shovelware (oh, hi Indiegala), I'd like to remind you that the same option used to battle non-free but cents-valued shovelware: the hide option is very prominently visible.
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Thanks cg, good stuff great job. :)
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Hi SG, a few changes to the site today related to games and contributor value. In the past, the site had three types of games:
The downside was we needed to block games and remove them from the giveaway list when they were briefly free, or posted in large giveaways outside of our community. We needed to do so to prevent users from obtaining a high number of keys for free, and giving them away for contributor value on SteamGifts. Unfortunately, this meant lots of great games were blocked and users could no longer send or receive them. Today's update allows users to start creating giveaways for these games once again, but simply for no contributor value. However, please be patient as we work through the 1,000+ games that were previously blocked, and add them back to the giveaway list when appropriate. We now have four types of games available:
For assistance, when you're creating a giveaway, the game list will show * next to games that are Reduced Value Games, and ** next to games that are No Value Games. Keep in mind, these icons are just for reference, and similar to before, the value of a giveaway can change if we need to make retroactive changes.
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