99% of the giveaways are DOTA 2 or The Ship.
Everyone is going to be a contributor now. What's the point of creating contributor giveaways anymore when all the contributors are guys who just made dota 2 and the ship giveaways?

1 decade ago*

Comment has been collapsed.

It doesn't matter "if" you contributed, but "how much" you did.
The better stuff will require more and more contribution value because it gets easier to acquire it.
It balances itself.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yeah, that explanation works, unless you really think about it. A person who bought an actual 30 dollar game and gave it away won't be comparable in the amount contributed compared to someone who's giving away dota, the ship and a couple of other games they got somewhere for free.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Yeah, that explanation works, unless you really think about it.(See what i did there?)
It doesn't stop at 30 dollar. There are of course people who abuse it and end up with the same amount of Contribution Value as someone who didn't abuse anything.

People don't contribute 30 dollars and then stop forever. Not if they want higher chances of winning through contributing(which would be the only reason why they would care about contribution value to begin with)

As it becomes easier to abuse the system, people will ask for people with more value, forcing people that want higher chances to contribute proper games and stuff.

Btw, isn't Dota 2 going to be worthless anyway? SG updates contribution Value based on what the game is worth.
Meaning: you lose value if a game you gave away gets cheaper. Dota 2 is going to be F2P.. so yeah.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Most legitimate contributors cant keep up financially with people inflating their contribution value with things they got for free.

You assume that the OP or other people worried about contribution inflation care about their own contributor value and that's why they complain. The issue here isn't that. It's the fact that people fight for higher and higher value, clutter the lists, cause points inflation as well and overall make the site and the community less attractive.

You're the one oversimliplifying things here, no one else. I'm sorry to say that, but it's the truth.

But let's just say it's all about contributor value and how high it is. This still doesn't change the fact that in this system, someone who spent 50$ on this site has less of a chance of winning than someone who got in on four easy free games each valued at 15 points here, or possibly even an exploit to get them.

The system is seriously flawed and it wasn't well thought of in the first place. It's inherently broken and it will just keep breaking.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

+1
Also, SentoX's statemen of "As it becomes easier to abuse the system, people will ask for people with more value, forcing people that want higher chances to contribute proper games and stuff." is a bit silly. Thats not a good thing for any legit user that wants to contribute out of pocket. If the standard for "basic contributor" is pushed up to $120 or something, then what is the incentive to start contributing? Assuming they are going for contributor value. You start edging out any potential out of pocket contributor, and devalue their contributions overall

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Easy answer: Dota 2 should be classified the same as a bundle giveaway (given a * next to its name and treated the same in calculations) and The Ship should be decreased in value to $1, same as what happened for the Ironclads Collection. The Dota 2 contribution drop should date back to the point when the value on SG dropped from $50 to $10, and The Ship should be devalues starting at the same time as the promotional giveaway began that gave out the free copies. Shouldn't be too difficult to implement as both have been done before for different games. Let me know what you think.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

No, i'm not saying they are worried about their own value. I said they are worried that their chance of winning doesn't improve by "X" percent because a lot of people get the same increase of value by just abusing the system with stuff they got for free.

I didn't simplify anything, i just replied to the OP's concern that "everyone" is a Contributor now.
Which really isn't a problem since the Ship already is counted as a Bundle Key and Dota 2 will lose it's worth once the game actually comes out.

The Ship should have been added to the "Exploited Key" list after the big Giveaway, but that has been mentioned many times before and didn't require another thread.

The contribution system is flawed, we know that. It's been discussed to death.
Less than a percent of all the Games that have been given away through this site, were actually bought at full price. But that is okay?
Sure at least someone paid something for it, but that really doesn't make it much better.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

yes legit contributors cant keep up with abusers but they can get in the group with 50 members so they have better chases to win :) and abusers get only abuser giveaways that's it, contry system kinda failed because of ship and dota 2 tho without contry system it would be worse.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Wrong, when i first saw this system i supported it completly. 3 months later i regretted doing so and changed my mind, contribution system should be entirely removed, or at least the giveaway option. The value could remain there and people could make more groups for contributors with X value who actually gave away games that were bought and not earned for free from a promotion (eg: the ship).

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

people arent even getting that much themselves, but lots of people have 1 extra copy

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

No, it doesn't balance itself because then there's people like me who don't abuse all the freebies. And we get screwed by the shitheads that do.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Just out of curiosity, what, exactly, are you getting screwed out of, other than some e-peen and a marginally better chance of winning games?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

you can adjust the amount of money needed to enter

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Most people create contributor giveaways that need a minimum of like a dollar or euro for all contributors. I'm not sure if these people are going to change their ways.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

well perhaps these people are in the same spirit that you.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 4 years ago.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

i agree :)

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

True, though DOTA 2 doesn't have that "Bundle/Exploit" status.
$30.01 would solve most of that though.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Actually, it does now. Every Dota 2 giveaway since the 17th will be treated as a bundle game.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Astonishing theory, professor!

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

if the administration lowered the amount of points needed to enter Dota 2 & The ship!!!

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

What about the people who gave away Dota 2 and The Ship BEFORE the huge wave of its' giveaways has started?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Considering Dota 2 was always free, it should be at 0 points no matter what.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

This.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

It used to sell for quite a bit of money. I don't know about $50, but during the Winter Sale I sold a DOTA 2 invite crafted from coal for the equivalent of about $20 in TF2 items (then promptly raffled them all off on TF2R).

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

It used to sell for $50 games... but still it's a free game so it should be lowered to 0.01 value and 1 point entry.

People who "bought" the betas for that and CS:GO are stupid, i've seen people trade pretty good games and expensive ones for the betas, and in the end they just loose it, totally not worth it.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Deleted

This comment was deleted 5 years ago.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

While I don't care much about the contributor value, I agree with you on this one. A simple fix would be to remove points from those giveaways. Some people that got the ship with cash (not from the free giveaway) will be hurt, but...

As long as there are rules, people will try to exploit them for their gain.

Anyway, not really much of an issue for me.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

As others have stated, simply raise the contribution minimum. If everyone now has 50-100 contrib value, start them at $101.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

That does sound like a basic 'bypass', but what about the people who got two copies of DOTA 2 - one he got himself and one from a friend and gave away them both on steamgifts? Problems problems problems.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Well it's not perfectly fair, but if one were to contribute regularly it shouldn't be a problem. There should be some disparity between the people who actually give away games here and the people who stumble on a free thing now and then for some points.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

And what about the people that do not abuse the system?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I guess we get left in the dirt. [Except I gifted the ship once.] But really it's not that much. Buy a game on sale, it really only put the others ahead $4.

edit: for clarified meaning.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

But if the rule of thumb is increasing the minimum then the honest people that also can't spend a lot of money even on themselves get royally screwed.

Personally I'd love to spend $4 to give something here, even more in something for me. But I can't, due to several reasons.

And then there's the fact of discouraging people joining the site from contributing since you'd need ridiculously high values for it to make a minimum effect on your account.
While contributor value is a good idea in theory, it doesn't work how it's made atm. It requires a lot of constant modification to avoid abuses. It should be removed. But I'm derailing here.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

To be honest, I don't plan on ever using it. All my giveaways have been public and I don't see why I would make one contrib.

So yes, maybe it should be taken out. But the way I see it, it's working in tiers right now. The occasional $2k giveaway for the 10+ people that have it, and $100+ for people who give things away and deserve it more than leechers. I'm sure there's more in between, but anything under $100 is like, meh. I'm not saying contributions aren't appreciated or whatever, but really, what is one five dollar game to someone with hundreds of dollars. I don't think they intended for people to nitpick at the $5 here and there to determine whether or not someone was worthy.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Imo Dota 2 should be added to the bundle list here ( http://www.steamgifts.com/bundles/list ). Then it's hard for people that are abusing it to get contributor points after the first $20. ( You'll know what I mean if you know the formula for the contributor value system )

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

+1

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

+2

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

create private giveaways and put a rule stating that you cannot enter if you gave away 3 or more dota 2 copies?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

That's just dirt work. You're going to have to check everyone who's entered the giveaway because there's going to be some people who aren't that honest.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

uhhh, just re-roll if they failed to meet the requirements?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Well, one would only have to check the winner and that should be done anyway to check that there is no regifting or anything similar.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Or just check the one winner.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

This is just silly. What about people who just have these copies and want to give them away. People DO want these keys, so why punish people getting rid of them. If you're really worried about free rides, up the contrib value. If you're REALLY worried about free rides, you can make it high enough that only decent contributors can enter.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

3 or more dota copies you're saying... Before these invites from valve, Dota 2 was a rare and a valuable thing. You could easily trade dota 2 invites for $20,$25 games.
So no dude, I totally don't agree with you.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

That's the irony. Its rare, its valuable for trading back then but the fact remains that Valve gave it away for free. So I still don't understand why Dota 2 has contrib value.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

last year i can easily trade dota2 for 60$ game.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

How would you advertise these private giveaways? Forums would get clogged up, and mods would get burdened by so many reroll requests.

Best solution is to just put Dota on the Bundle/exploit list, to prevent it from being exploited for Contributor value.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Guess what? You cannot! You need to get your rule approved by a moderator, and a mod will not ever approve that. Dota2 are legit giveaways.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I know that rule, I'm just giving a suggestion. Anyways it's on bundles list anyways so no need for this special rule

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Dota 2 was always for free, therefore it should be valued 0/zero points here.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

It is soon coming Free 2 Play (i guess) so what's the point in valuing it so high, true.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

i think its really low to make these giveaways i agree if you dont got them win them (i won the ship and dota) i didn't make any giveaways but still...

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Not everyone spammed that junk. I'm still a $0 lecher.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Users can visit the person's profile and laugh at the Ship and Dota 2. I don't see a problem with that.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

yes i do that

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Change dota 2's point value to 0, everybody's happy and it's solved.

Or, the gifter may reroll if the winner spammed dota/the ship, I guess.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

That's said every time a big discount is given as well. Remember Trains? Rome? Get over it.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

There is a difference between a big discount, and free.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

...and in the case of DOTA2, these have been given out to people who already own the game, so they have no choice but to give them away.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I was not aware that refraining from giving away games is a bannable offense.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Who said anything about getting banned?! Idiot.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I don't understand why they even have a contribution value. Dota 2 will be Free 2 play so it's worth 0 points. Beta codes/gifts are free too.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Agreed.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

lol, u are right

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

201.293 members 10.000free keys. 20€ contributor max. No problem

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

I agree. At least, contributor giveaways should be 50: 30 + 20 +.1 (indie bundles limit + dota 2 value +.1).

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

well i gathered some money to buy a couple games in the winter sale to giveaway, i prob wont do it just because i wont be able to join the "paid" contributor giveaways. maybe just a private one

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Oh, look, it's this thread again.

Look, if you don't like how people can get contributor points for games that are in enough demand that they get hundreds of entries, just fucking set your giveaways to have a higher minimum.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

i want to gift dota 2 because i got it for free and can not do anything else with it

idc about contributor value, if i have something i dont need and someone wants it i can give it away...

however, i think it would be fair to give 0 $/€ contrib value for dota2 and ship

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Just raise the contributor value higher.

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

99% of the threads are pointless or stupid. Everyone is going to create stupid threads now. What's the point of creating stupid threads anymore when all the whiners are guys who just made a stupid and pointless thread?

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

+1

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Hey so I have a question that I think this forum can answer.
I got "the ship- complete pack" from a giveaway recently and now in my giftbox I have a gift of "the ship- complete pack" How did I get this? can I give it away? thanks

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

yes

1 decade ago
Permalink

Comment has been collapsed.

Closed 1 decade ago by gvazdas.