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So, this may be a bit controversial, but I find it weird that a winner is forced to redeem his prize. It's like winning a car and not be able to give it to your brother or sister.
I made a giveaway myself and I wouldn't care if someone gave the game to a friend or made another giveaway with the same game. It's his game now, I am giving it away so he should be able to do whatever he wants.
Ok, hope you got my point and I am looking forward your opinions:)
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Cause of the contributor level system for instance, which could be easily cheated with a small group of friends then.
Yup, this. Six people could pass around a single gift copy of Doom 3 until they were all level 10. It wouldn't even take long.
It would, read how CV is calculated when gifting multiple gifts of a single game
Yeah, I may have spoken too hastily. But they could still get full cred for it five times each (and a fair amount of cred several more) and the original purchaser could still have his game. But you're right, it would probably take more games than one to make this work.
It wouldn't take any games actually. They could just create a ton of fake giveaways. Noone could check if the giveaway creator actually had a gift / key for the game.
wait, so whats stoping them from doing it now ?
can some1 check private ga's ?
After the giveaway has ended you can see which game was given away and who won it (you can check my profile to see what I mean).
So you can then check the winner's Steam account and see if they have activated the game.
Who said they have to even HAVE a copy to give away? If this method were allowed, people could band together and "give away" 5 copies each of just a few VERY expensive games (such as the BlOps II Bundle) and reach Level 10 in no time at all
Even worse, there wouldn't even have to be a copy of Doom 3.
except the rule has been around since before contributor-only giveaways, so that can't have been the reason
Yea, I know. I might have phrased it a bit wrong. I wanted to give a reason why you should be "forced" to redeem games now, not why the rule was introduced.
The reason is because the spirit of the site is to win a game that you really want to play, if you dont reedem it, it means that you dont want it. And thats not why this page is for.
Sounds like you want to give away won games yourself. First people could regift it for the reason to increase their CV without actually buying anything. People could sell their won games for their own profit.
It's about respecting the giveaway creator. If you receive a gift for christmas from your mother would you just give it someone else? I know there are several cultures with very different ethics about what is polite and what not but I believe that everyone agrees that when someone is so generous to give you something he or she expects YOU to have it and noone else.
Your thread is not only controversial but not worth existing in the first place.
^ This...sooooo this. OP should just close the thread now. This is the site's rules. You either play according to them or not at all.
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You're the one who sounds like a stupid child. It's as simple as anything else in life that uses rules/laws to not go all chaotic. Don't bother growing up. Wasting of your and everybody's else time.
You want in on the team, you play by the rules given. Otherwise you won't get to play at all. You want your license. Same thing. You want a house same thing.
You were blacklisted long ago for other idiot comments.
Blindly following rules is bad. Following a rule after questioning it and establishing its value is good. I suspect that is how many people view this rule: they have already questioned its merits and concluded that it's a useful rule. Assuming that every rule follower is a some timid sheeple is rather naïve.
This is coming from someone who frequently and openly challenges authority and rules, by the way.
I don't think you understand, we follow the rules because we want to. It's fair. Your "stop breathing" analogy is pretty idiotic.
The world was full of slave before because there wasn't a rule to own one.
That doesn't seem like a great analogy. Sure, we have some norms relating to gifts, but most of them don't apply to raffles (another cultural institution) and the GAs on this site are more like raffles than Christmas gifts from ma. For one thing, the giver almost never knows, and did not choose, the recipient.
And, even with Christmas gifts, I know a lot of people who exchange duplicates, and a number of givers who won't mind a bit if they find out about it. Often people who give gifts want you to get some happiness out of it even if that means swapping, or using it til it breaks, or etc., not be bound to the original item like some sort of talisman.
Don't take that as me challenging the rule. See above for the reason why I think it a good rule.
Maybe for you it isn't fitting but even when it is a raffle I see the giveaway I created as a personal gift. I'm not a coorporation doing promotion or anything of that sort. Neither am I very wealthy, but this is something I and most people see as a personal thing rather than just giving something to someone doing with it whatever they want.
Also I never swapped a gift in my life and even when I receive something I don't like I keep it, because someone put some effort and thought to gift me something which I respect very much.
Well, I'm not demeaning your feelings or anything, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't expect most people to feel that way. Apparently we come from different sociological places with regard to gift returns.
But how much thought can one really put into a GA on here? One can choose the game, that's about it. (And a lot of us are mostly just giving away our bundle leftovers in hopes that somebody will enjoy them.) And one doesn't know who one is giving it to, so one can't even think about the preferences of the recipient while doing it. It would be different if it were a handmade item or something--but, as you say, you are not a software developer. You didn't create these games.
Maybe you are super thoughtful about this. If so my hat is off to you. But I think you're making this out to be something more than it is for many.
Well, you are probably right as I feel that the majority of people registered here are people actually not giving anything, some only giving the bare minimum to raise their CV a bit and some are genuinly gifting for the sake of gifting. I am not putting you in any category here by the way.
I personally don't gift bundle leftovers or anything. I have 150 games in my library, I am registered on Steam sinc February this year and registered on Steamgifts shortly after. I don't even own most games I am giving away because I decide to either buy it myself or try to make someone happy, cause it's no option for me to buy a game twice most of the time. Of course you will find some games more than once in my list of giveaways but those were games I was able to get for a good price and probably don't want myself.
I also don't buy bundles a lot. Mostly just to have some fodder for public giveaways.
Of course there is not much thought you can put into a raffle considering that you don't know the winner and can't be sure about his motivations and why he or she is registered on SG.
But I think that hoping for someone to enter that wants to play the game is enough, but unfortunately this isn't how the community thinks about it and this isn't something I just thought of talking to you, but thought of a while now, is that I probably gonna stop gifting and use the money for myself or to gift friends directly.
I probably joined for the wrong reasons.
Just as snake and downward said. It's a soulbound item.
Because it's written there and you agreed to follow them
missed opportunity to post a patchouli :/
You miss a chance to put a picture of our beloved yama there
More like I made the right decision because I can see an incident is about to happen
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Because not having to redeem the game you've won has the following consequences:
But disabling that rule would mean all of these three practices above would practicly be incouraged instead of (rightfully so) discouraged
very well explained claps
summarizing those three, you could say "to prevent dishonest users from abusing people's generosity and good will".
I would wager that it's mainly to avoid people trying to profit from the system. While there is no major harm done if you happen to give a game to a friend who really want it, it would be very hard to check and see if you've given the game to a friend or if you sold/traded it for something else. So it's better to have a rule that forbids not activating the game on your account than not having it.
"it's mainly to avoid people trying to profit from the system" - all there is to it, other than personal opinions
for being the only non-hostile answer and also for what you said.
you probably gaind lots of new ''friends'' right now
I am very recent to the site, but i did go through the FAQ's and i am pretty sure the answer is there.
" Can I enter a giveaway for a friend?
You should only enter to win giveaways for yourself, and if you win a game, it must be activated and redeemed to the Steam account used during registration. If a friend is interesting in joining giveaways, they'll need to register for their own account.
Doesn't explain why, but ... this is the internet. Rep matters ;)
of course it in the rules you need to read and accept joining the community
Just a question for you if you don't like the game why do you want to enter the giveaway?
If you have no interest then don't enter and you wont have to think about regifting it
Exactly, leave the chance for people that actually want it!~
Will probably have a bunch of blacklists for this, but I don't mind, I just wanted to say my opinion about it.
If we go with that ideology, then no one should enter any of the giveaways.
For example, let's talk about those Dwarfs!? mass giveaways that were given away 100k+ copies, I bet a bunch of people who agrees with your statement didn't even play a bunch of minutes to try it out, hell, I bet they weren't even interested in trying it out.
Also, who knows? Maybe, just maybe you'll be interested in playing one of the games you won in the future cause you saw good gameplays about it.
For example, I won Don't Starve Together here months ago, at first I didn't even like Don't Starve, it was very complex for me, kept dying on the first 2 days, closed it and decided not to play again.
That was untill a friend of mine wanted me to play that game co-op teaching me how to play the game. And I was glad that I did win that giveaway, since then I've spent 108 hours into it, and maybe more in the future!
Can also give another example, Fine Sweeper is also one of em'. Didn't want to play that game since I didn't knew how to play Minesweeper, not untill I saw some screenies from my "Friends" Steam Activity about that specific game, gave it a try and now I could finally understand how Minesweeper works and the tricks to complete.
Maybe I didn't really express myself about the situation, but what I'm trying to say is that there's quite a bunch of people being hypocrite about this.
Who would blacklist ya mate?
What you've said is the truth.
I've also joined and won few giveaways that I thought I might have interest in, and then decided that I'm not even remotely interested in them. But there were also games like in your case where I enjoyed shit outta games.
I think agniswarm was referring more to the fact that people join all kinds of games that they know for like 100% fact they won't play.
For example, I never play those anime like games, I don't know how they're called, so that's why I never join giveaways for them.
Also if I see an interesting game, I go watch a quick trailer or gameplay of it and decide if I'm interested enough to join giveaway for it.
But still even with all that checked it can happen that I don't like the game at all, it just seemed good at first.
You don't understand how the introduction of whitelist/blacklist feature made this community toxic and mean spirited (compared to 2-3 years ago), as far as social interactions here are conducted now.
People will blacklist you
80% of conversations on SG these days just boils down to one party blacklisting the other, whoever ends up without any rational retorts first.
mental capacity :D
im not an english speaker and i like this sentence, fantastic
Well I guess I really didn't..
I'm on forums all the time, but I've never seen blacklisting that much as you've said it, unless there were toxic people, that spammed threads with referrals and other shit, but they were suspended anyway.
I noticed I was on 1 or 2 blacklists too, no idea why, but I barely care.
I don't blacklist anyone.
Same here, really. I always thought blacklists should be used against users who actually broke the rules (regifting, ref links as you said, not activating won games etc) but it seems there are a lot of members using them as a final say for having a disagreement with someone. Not really something I would consider to be in the spirit of this community.
Xarabas, I'm blacklisting you now. Because you have given away too many things, you're too smart, rational and well thought out with your responses, and because you have opinions! That's a bad Xarabas, BAD! No one is allowed to have opinions, unless they are identical to what the reader believes!
Also, for those amongst us falling in to category 1 up there... :P
Being serious though, this is how I use the blacklist feature. If I see someone actively breaking rules (ref link spammer guy, regifters, etc) I'll blacklist them. Generally if they are new, I don't, because I assume they don't know better until I see them repeat the process. I don't quite understand the rampant overuse of blacklisting, but to each their own I suppose.
I totally agree with your last point there too: many of these other uses (like blacklisting people for having won a GA from you for example) feel to me to be rather contrary to the general spirit of giving. However, in the end, I won't really judge anyone for it - What they give and how they give it is ultimately up to them to decide.
Personally it's not only contrary to what I think the best use of the community here is, but it's also so much work to blacklist everyone all the time, and I'm just too damn lazy. lol
Agreed. Some folks blacklist others for such asinine crap. If someone is on my list, there's a good chance that they deserve to be there, such as stating that one group of people deserve to die. Or that they're worthless. I don't even care if it's a joke or not, you never say shit like that. :|
And BLing someone just because they win more than they give? Okay, then. Their blacklist, their rules. But I don't get it. There are so many more ways to contribute to this site than giving out games, after all.
The only way I'll do that is if they blatantly state that they're leeching, and fuck SteamGifts 'cause they do what they want. I dislike assholes. Other than that, I'm really picky about how I do things. I handle my blacklist a bit like you do, though I think I might be a touch more lenient when it comes to certain types of rule-breaking.
I enter for games I:
-Want to play, nao.
-Would play if I'd be in a mood (like any puzzle games - need a certain state of mind, but I like them)
-Or I have no idea about them, but looks intresting.
The thing I don't do:
I don't enter for games I'm SURE I'll never play - for example noone will ever see me at a sport / racing game's giveaway ( Unless it's Lego racers 2 or Re-volt HD/Remastered :3 )
You got me wrong. We make giveaways so that people get a +1 and for the fun of doing it. I also have bought many games and also won which I didnt even play but that doesnt mean I can make profit from it by giving it to someone for some compensation. What I meant to say was if you want the game (you want to play or not thats immaterial) then you should activate it and not make it a means of profit using someone generosity.
As for friends you always have family sharing. I use it to let my friends play the game I am not interested in but I dont accept selling the game that I won.
Oh alright, sorry about it then :/
No problem at all :D
Nobody likes if someone makes profit from someone's generosity!
I made a giveaway so YOU can enjoy it, not so you can profit from it. Why would you even enter something you don't even want? You're just hogging a place selfishly from someone who would actually like it and if you would happen to win and then you'd just go and give / trade / sell it. That's not the spirit of this site.
I agree with you. I have no problem if people gets a +1 but I wont like if they trade or sell it. We are giving the winner the game to use in his account and to trade and make profit.
Same. I go through a bit of work picking out all of my giveaways, 'cause I want the winner to have something nice, even if they don't manage to play it right away. Not for +1 CV, or so that someone can have more trade fodder, or a gift for their friends.
If I wanted to do that, I have PlayBlink. Or Steam Trades. :u
The thought of someone wasting a gift that I gave them makes me more than a little sad.
You gave away some trashy game Polarity, so there is no doubt you don't care what the winner will do with it, but if you giveaway something better you would care, and will be sad if winner just get it to profit.
Seriously?!? Was it regifted?
Well, I'm guilty of doing that for a number of games, but if I won anything that fancy or recent, I'd damn well play it almost immediately (I'm usually in the middle of a game and only focus on a single game at a time).
that makes me sad bro.. I try to give away nice non bundle games as well, and most are just sitting there unplayed... :(((((
I've idled newly-won games for cards before, but that's because it's sometimes the only way that I can afford to buy more things to give away here. Though I do enter to win just the stuff that I really want, or that I'd love to try.
I don't get why the OP is getting heat, it's just a discussion :S
To the OP: mostly I guess because it opens up CV faming abuse. As others described before, a group of pple could just make fake private/group/whitelist giveaways for very expensive games without actually buying anything and getting lots of CV. You would need to either remove CV or restrict all giveaways to public to even consider allowing the winners not to activated their wins. Even if it was done (which I think most would be against), it would encourage users to enter any giveaway to trade/regift/resell the game, not because they desire to own it. This isn't the idea behind this site and it's viewed not in a good way by many.
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Reported for not activating your games :)
Why they do this? O.o
how did he dare do that to mass effect 2 :(
Wow, and that bastard won the Duke Nukem Forever I have entered.
I think you might have dodged a bullet there :)
But... but... Duke Nukem!
Don't listen to him, DNF wasn't as bad as everyone says. It wasn't "OMGWTF BEST GAME EVER" of course, but there are also people who enjoyed it for what it was, me for example :)
That's exactly what I expect. Just a solid old-school FPS with some cheesy jokes. :D
im a huge Duke Nukem fan, but most jokes in Forever just fall flat.
As for the gameplay, idk maybe the pc version is fine, but on my ps3 it was barely playable
It was quite decent on PC. I wouldn't say it was a shining example of stability and performance, but on my Core2Duo with 2 GB ram it went just fine. Also maybe it has something to do with the fact I was never a big fan of original Duke Nukem games, I liked the character and that's it, so when I played DNF it wasn't competing with an idealized blurry childhood memory, but rather with modern shooters, many of which I have enjoyed far less than DNF.
Agreed. I wasn't even slightly amused by any of the jokes in DNF, and some of 'em were even groan-inducing. Like the Leeroy Jenkins one. Even if the meme wasn't hella old at the time, they did it wrong.
But the gameplay itself is fine. Controls work, plus I believe they also fixed the limit of two weapons at a time. But I can't exactly remember whether or not that's true. My brain is a derps atm.
And outside of a few minigames that you need to do in order to increase your health, I have enjoyed what I've played so far.
heheheheh xD reported and blacklisted heheheheh xD
damn, i missed the name, any1 bother to send me link to his profile ?
You can try Google's cached copy :)
it worked, i think
Did you already got it?
edit: Ah ok.
Out of the 4 giveaways you've won you've only activated 1 game. Please leave and never come back.
edit: Oh and you regifted one of them as well.
Because you are breaking the site's rules.
Oh cmon.. I missed the funny part :(
What was it ?
Some guy said OP was right. There is nothing wrong with that, but he won 4 games here and didn't activate 3 of them, plus he regifted one of these here, and now he deleted his posts to avoid getting blacklisted by everyone.
Oh too bad I missed that and I had such a great gif
Of course I am breaking the site's rules right now, but to be honest, it got to the point where I don't care anymore. I happily take a suspension for this.
I don't particularly feel that's worth it, its not like he is an isolated case anyway.
Right now i have around 6 pending tickets, including him, someday they will all get their deserves suspension
A lot of people will be interested in blacklisting him.
Yep, I did miss this.
Mission accomplished. B)
I laughed so hard to this. All i see is you asking why comments were deleted. No rule being broken there. /grins
Haha nice one! He even posted a rant at one of my screenshots on Steam. This guy should have been perma banned.
Posted on my profile telling me to fuck off, because he enters a game he doesn't want and gave it away. Of course he should get permabanned.
lol probably saw what I wrote and deleted it, glad I took a screenshot that already went to the support.
Ismailovic if you read this, gtfo, noone likes you.
Like people already told you, it would be an easy way to cheat the system and increase your contributor value.
Personally, why would i care if the game goes to your brother or sister, im the one giving the game, i would rather send it directly to someone who is at least going to activate it in his own account
I love when people post this sort of thing. Makes it very easy to check their wins and see if they already cheated the system.
The spirit of the site is that some one give games so the person that enters the raffle can win it and play it.
If you are not going to play the game, dont participate since there are people actually looking to play those games.
If you are going to give the game to a friend, better tell that friend about the site and let him enter the raffles of the games he wants to play.
If you want to give a friend a game, its simple, you go buy it yourself and gift it to him.
I really love your profile pic, but I strongly disagree with what you wrote for the reasons mentioned above by other users.
Short answer: Because the rules say so. Don't like it,no one is forcing you to be here. There are several sites out there that don't force it.
Long answer: (Note: this makes some generalizations,ignores some edge cases and relies and not-scientifically-acceptable data,but I still believe that it applies to at least around 80% of sg's active community.)
What you're thinking about is some sort of a lottery system; Say everyone buys tickets for $1 and one person gets a car worth $100,000 - most certainly,that car is his and once he sign whatever documents he has to he could do whatever he wanted with that car: Use it on for himself,give it to his friend,heck,if he wanted to,he could could set it aflame and no one would be able to tell him anything. Once the winning numbers are in,the winner is entitled to and the company is legally obligated to hand over the prize. Now,even if he never touches said car and puts in a garage,not touching it for the rest of his life - this isn't considered rude behavior on his part - the company which holds the lottery is here to make money and nothing else. They don't care who the winner is,what the prize is(they may rotate between several prizes worth the same amount) and what he does with it is none of their business.
What we have here is NOT a lottery; You're not paying for entering giveaways,and the people making the giveaways are just that - individuals,not companies. They make absolutely nothing from you or anyone else entering the giveaway or winning it - actually,they spend their time (and a lot of times money too) into making a giveaway,handling it properly,etc. So in a sense,making a giveaway not only doesn't give the holding party profit,but rather takes important resources from it. Now,this sounds completely illogical up to now: Why would anyone,out of their free will,waste his time and money on something he gains absolutely nothing from?
The most common reason you'll find is: "To make someone happy."
We're here because not everyone can legally afford games. Some can't even get them illegally even if they wanted to,and many don't want to. Someone getting a game for free may help him stay off piracy for just a little while longer,and when things are better for him,he'll return the favor,overall resulting in great devs being rewarded more for their games. Or because for some people,that spare bundle game that you gave away instead of adding to your backlog of hundreds of games that you'll probably never even install is worth hours of fun as they beat it 4 times,getting every possible achievement. Or because you're enthusiastic about specific game and want someone else to experience the masterpiece that it is. Or because you want to help promote a developer that you think is doing their hardest and sincerely cares about fans,hoping that the receiving party will be impressed enough not only to become a fan,but also to buy a copy on his own and gift it. Everyone has their reason. But it is for that specific reason that they made that one specific giveaway. When YOU win that giveaway,those feelings are directed towards you. There are people here who choose to work one extra hour so instead of buying a game for themselves,they can get a double pack and share the love. There have been people who gave away a $50 game that was never bundled,and never on a deep sale that they don't own yet despite the fact they would greatly enjoy it themselves. So if you'd allow me to be rude for just one sentence,because I feel that would probably summarize what many people here think very effectively: If you take those earnest feelings of the contributor and heartlessly trample them as you say in your head "eziest $50 of my life", fuck you.
Thanks for the good read. I couldn't have said it better myself.
While reading it I found there was one thing I thought was missing until I got to the end.
The fuck you made me happy.
+1 all the way.
On the fact that not everyone can legally afford games, there is a $100 Steam account requirement just to join SG. We're hardly here for the people who really can't afford games. I do agree with your sentiments though.
Not true. I rarely can afford games, but I've been rarely affording games for almost five years, and here I am. I've bought only 10% of my library for full price or pre-order, only 40% I bought myself, the remaining ~60% are gifts, few GA wins, free promos and games I bought on sale for dirt-cheap. I'm also a pirate and a leech, my lvl1 is just made of games I got for free. Not that I never buy games for someone else other than myself, I just think the chance it will end up just another meaningless +1 in some hoarder's library is too high. I've been gifting games to my friends for some time, and only once I didn't regret it. I have plans on making GAs someday, but only with a good puzzle to make sure a person with a strong taste for said game will be able to win it.
I entirely get where you're coming from.
But in the end we aren't helping those people who can pretty much never afford to buy steam games, even in your case you managed to buy a few.
Although in the end I completely agree with the $100 requirement. It certainly helps the community and the site.
Usually people who can't buy games are either kids with no money of their own, or adults who just pirate games and think like "why should I pay for something if I can get it for free? I'd rather spend whatever spare money I earn on swag". So maybe it's a good idea to make an invite-only group for good kids where SantaGlaus gives them good games that parents won't buy for them, and the other category doesn't deserve jack shit.
Yeah, too true.
That's not 100% true in all cases. If someone is gifted games from a sale, they can very easily get up to 100$ worth of value on their account. Doesn't mean that they're able to buy anything for themselves. This is why I don't judge folks who don't give away games here. 'Cause they just might not have the means.
But most of the time, that seems to be correct.
well say. KO
I giveaway games for the selfish reason that it makes me a feel a little better about my day to bring a bit of joy to someone else's. Its the same reason I post gifs in the giveaways that I enter. A bit of color in a world of endless concrete parking lots.
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Holy sh*it komachi I didn't expect from you that long answer :3
You can go on playblink or game miner if you want it that way. On steamgift, that is not how it work.
There is different reason for that :
After there is more moral reason like :
Also, you have to understand that not everyone are just giving game they don't give a shit about and don't want to see in theyr steam library... There is awesome people on this site that just give games to make people happy and are enjoying it. Some are here to make others discovered games they found awesome but ain't known enough, and expect people to want to want it, and to play it... If everyone would just make giveaway for having a better contribution.... you won't see a lot of good giveaway, and probably just a whole bunch of crap sold at 94 %...
Aside from the CV issue, it's just plain rude to not activate a gift from someone.
Either send it back or use it.
Better yet, don't bother entering giveaways you're not interested in.
There are people who want and will play those games.
Easy, to not allow the winner making profit selling/trading the game.
I found it easier to just block the gifter whenever I win something, it saves me time from explaining myself.
What? Why? I'm confused o.O
First of all - site have rules. If you don't like them - don't register, problem solved. If you registered - then you must obey the rules.
As for rules... You know, someone who like you gives you a present - something personally for you. What will this person feel, if you give this gift to someone else, how do you think?
And, if someone won the game he don't want, the first question is - why he even entered the giveaway? He stole this chance from someone who actually want this game, it's unfair.
The dude was asking a question and looking to provoke discussion. Granted, it might not have been a very entertaining or new discussion, but was it really necessary to be so obnoxious about waving your blacklist in his face? :P
Because the site says so, they don't really need to justify it to you.
It's not a problem in giving a game you've won to a friend. If there wasn't a rule that says a winner is required to redeem won game, some people could exploit it to buff their contributor level by creating private giveaways and then just regifting the same non-redeemed game.