Basically I'm getting into game collecting again after 1.5 years or so away. But I don't want to spend as much money on bundling as I did the first time around. I feel weird about entering giveaways knowing I'm never going to play the games. Would you, as a giveaway lister, care if someone like me won your game? Does my ratio make it any less scummy?

Edit: A thought I've had as a result of one of the responses: If you don't want me to enter your giveaways because I won't play your games, by all means, blacklist me! Not only do I understand completely, I want you to do so! That way I don't risk taking a game from someone who wants to win it to play it, and you don't risk giving a game away that you care gets played. The whole reason I made this is because I care about not taking from others what they may enjoy.

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Am I a scumlord if I enter giveaways to increase my game count? Even though I've paid into the bundle social security fund?

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Yes. Why do you even need more games? What is even the point?
No. You take that social security even if you don't need it.

I personally do not mind whether winners want to play the game right away, in 1 year time or never, especially if it's just a bundle leftover. Still ofc it veries from contributor to contributor as well as winner to winner cases.

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Would you, as a giveaway lister, care if someone like me won your game?

It happens all the time, and no, it doesn't bother me.
Would I rather someone win who might play and enjoy the game? Well, sure, I think most people want that.

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Morally, most people will tell you it's wrong. However, it's not against the rules and you're allowed to do whatever the fuck you want.
Personally, I think it's not right to enter giveaways for games you won't play, but then again there are tons of other people doing that. Also, you'll probably get massively blacklisted for doing that. :P

Also, it really depends on what kind of game. I can't imagine people wanting some bundle shovelware trash, so I usually point out that it's okay to enter just for collecting or farming cards.

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Wow, those results are way more one sided than I thought they'd be. Does my 455 games given away to 4 games won (2 of which were mass giveaways) not factor into the equation at all? :'(

Edit: Results now even for quite the time. Very interesting results.

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No, you don't have an opinion or ratio here, its steamgifts. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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you gotta take into consideration that if poll reffers to something that is directly affecting themselves they gonna just chose the option that is most profitable for themselves. We all want to win games, right? We like winning games. So to boost your chances it's the best to vote that people not intrested in instantly playing the game should not be entering GA, because if we enter and other people do not enter - not because it's against the rules but it's "morally wrong" - we have better chances to win :>

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Results are evening out now. Really surprised it jumped back from such a lopsided showing. The Yes's really came out in force out of the gate.

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And they're reversing!

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Yes and you should feel bad because even under 1$ games are games ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Would you, as a giveaway lister, care if someone like me won your game?

Depends on a game, I think ;) But yeah, generally if there's a chance that a game would go to somebody who is interested to give it a try one day (even in 2 years), I'd prefer it wouldgo to this person :)

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Well that's why I said bundle game. I'm not going to enter giveaways for games that are premium titles worth a lot of money.

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Yup, but for example Star Wars: KOTOR is bundled but I'd prefer it to go to someone who'd like to play it eventually :)

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would you prefer that a stamp you gave away went on to a letter as opposed to in someones stamp collection? I guess the point I want to demonstrate is that people find enjoyment in different ways - for some people that's having a 'collection' and if games are built for enjoyment and the winner enjoys having it in his/her collection, then does the game not ultimately serve its purpose?

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Exactly how I see it. I guess that's the reason why giveaways for "good" games (bundled or not) maybe more likely are created for a group, invite-only or at least for a certain level (in which there are probably not so many "collectors" anymore). If someone gives away a really great game which hundreds of users really want to play and then some random dude wins it - not so cool. But with a copy from a 46-games-for-1$-game, I doubt anyone would really care.

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many high levellers are indeed collectors

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Actually, the higher you go in levels, the more prominent the hoarding instinct seems to be. It is one thing when people talk about nice ratios, but a 1.5:1 ratio could still mean more wins at a single person than in the entire Unlucky 7 group put together.

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Based on how "rare" the game is, how good and how much I like it. A superbundled shit game - you can just hide it forever, I wouldn't care. But if I give away my favourites, or ones I find special, then it's a really bad feeling to know that they will be just dumped and never ever looked at.

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Pretty much what I've meant :)

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I definitely wouldn't enter AAA game giveaways. That's for sure a waste. I'm not a monster.

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It's still up for your standpoint on it. But I think as long as people give it away like clutter (Let's face it, even Deus Ex HR is at this level after multiple bundles and a few 1$deals) there is nothing wrong just to win them.

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Game can give you cards. You can sell cards for money to buy games you actually want to play. More games = Higher level on steam = More chance to drop booster packs = More money.

Its a terrible system that Steam created but it does reward you for getting crap in your steam library. You definetely know a bit about as you have over 130 badges, over 4000 games and +80 level ;p

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I would certainly appreciate your explanation in greater detail if possible. You are saying I can get more card booster drops if I have a higher steam level? Which I can then turn into actual money by selling those stupid cards on the market? Is this true?

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Chances for each level: http://steamcommunity.com/tradingcards/faq

Anyway, if you want to get booster drops it is more important to own a lot of games with trading cards. I mean, a level 20 with 4000 games will get more booster packs than a level 1000 with 100 games.

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i think this thread will get you some blacklist. but it's really up to you. if u won a AAA game though... i think the creator would want you to at least play it like 5 hours-ish. but the trash GAs... well theyre made mostly for cv farming so those who get angry when u don't play them are just silly

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If people want to blacklist me, they're free to. I'm not claiming any entitlement to anyone's giveaways, in fact the entire reason I made this thread was to discuss my explicit non-entitlement and the propriety of entering in the context of my goals. I'd honestly rather people blacklist me if they DON'T want me to enter, I mean, isn't that why I made this whole thread?

Gotta admit though, it does feel bad that after giving away ~440 bundle games and 15 or 20 nicer steam gifts that the community would abhor the idea of me entering a few giveaways for cheapo bundle games.

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As long as you're at least somewhat interested in it I think it's fine to enter giveaways (even if you don't intend to play it immediately), but otherwise you're potentially depriving someone who actually does want to play the game from getting to. So yes, those who care more about having a +1 added to their library then letting someone enjoy the game attached to said +1 are "scumlords" (as you put it).

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I don't care at all. I would care though if it was my favorite game ever (Bully: Scholarship Edition). But just because I don't care, it doesn't mean it's right to win games and never play them while somebody else would play it. But, I repeat, I personally don't give a duck.

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I'm more surprised if one of my winners plays the game than the other way around… I'm long past hoping for finding homes for the keys where they will be played.

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I don't care about the winners as long as they marked it as received.

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I don't care if you play a game that you won from me or not as long as you follow the rules of SG when it comes to activating the game and marking it received. It's your Steam account to do with as you please. If a giveaway creator is butthurt over people who don't agree with their beliefs on who should get their game they have SGTools and Groups and whitelists that they can use to do giveaways for whomever they want to enter them.

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What the **** your ratio o.o

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Games aren't essential ... good for you, if you're willing to use all the chances and good for you if you have a conscience telling you not to, as you won't even play them. Either way fair game even more so, if you were as generous to butter a fair share back/front up into the community ... which again even that isn't an requirement.

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storage/archive of presents without use is a legitimate use of presents imho (while not regift, which for me is to avoid)

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If colecting games makes you happy, then why not? that's the point of them, besides, i have a lot of games in my backlog, so it would be hypocrite.

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If it's complete and utter bundle trash, no, but if it's a game anyone would love to play I wouldn't want it to go to someone who never plays it. Especially if it's someone who already owns so many games. And I don't think your ratio matters at all when it comes to your behaviour.

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Are you 100% sure you're not going to play anything you might win?

I like it how you call it "bundle social security fund", and I also like your wishlist *lennyface*

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I'd probably not enter a giveaway for any game that I would actually play. If it's something I'd play, I would either buy it myself, or feel too guilty to take it from someone else.

Writing that gives me some pause.

Hmm. Really, like I edited into the OP, I invite people uncomfortable with this to please blacklist me as I would hate to win your game if you are the type to care that your winner plays your games. :(

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Well, feel free to enter any of my public giveaways. I really don't care what happens to them. I do care a bit more about the games I give on some groups/whitelist, but it seems unlikely you'd enter them. In fact I think you handle the situation quite reasonably and SG is a great place for collectors. Many of them are even much less open about their intentions as you are, so I very much appreciate your approach. No blacklist from me for you. I'd have even whitelisted you if it wasn't for the sake of this topic ;)

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"Am I a scumlord if I enter giveaways to increase my game count? Even though I've paid into the bundle social security fund?"

Yes, you are a scumlord. First of all, people pay into social security because it is a federal lawful requirement, not because they chose to donate their hard earned money into a flipping government bullshit program.

You chose to donate to the steamgifts program, no one forcibly made you.

You do not rack up a balance that the steamgifts 'owes you' like you would under the ponzi scheme of social security. What kind of logic are you trying to employ here? Either you havn't really thought this through, or you are looking for people with no intelligent relativism to justify your behavior.

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"You chose to donate to the steamgifts program, no one forcibly made you."

By that logic, then, you should have absolutely 0 problem with me entering any giveaway, correct?

Never said anyone owes me, by the way. Just that it seems greedy and hypocritical if people don't like me entering giveaways.

Edit: Nice ratio btw :)

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Yes, by my logic I have 0 problems with you entering the giveaway.... the only thing I take issue with is the comparison you are making to justify your actions to yourself. You don't need to justify those actions to me ;)

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Fair enough. I can see how it may come off badly when I justify it like that. It's really less of a "I'm owed games after giving away so many" type thing and more "I want to be on the other end of the action but can understand why people may not want my participation in that direction of the gifter-receiver relationship, but that also kinda hurts my feelings a little bit if so, regardless I won't go against their wishes"... type....thing....

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Trust me when I say, I absolutely understand the feeling but the only thing I have an interest in collecting is real world money ;)

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I personally enter giveaways for games I'm gonna play and don't really understand the purpose of collecting, but I don't mind if others do.

Rarely do I really want and expect a game to be played, and when I do I'll mention that in the giveaway description and maybe make it available it to a group that focuses on playing won games.

I would feel good if someone played a game I've given away and enjoyed it, but I don't expect that from most of the bundled games I give.
That's because often the reason I create a giveaway for a bundled game is that I wouldn't play that game anyway (because it probably seems like crap or something), so the winner can enjoy the game however they like, while I enjoy my increase in given games. =)

I just wonder, though, if it wouldn't be much easier to just buy all bundles you encounter for yourself, without even using Steamgifts to trade bundled games in this manner.

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