My current rig specs:

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 (almost 5 years old)
MOBO: ASUS M4A89TD PRO (almost 5 years old)
GPU: EVGA GTX 660
RAM: 2x2GB Kingston DDR3 @1333Mhz + 2x4GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 @1333Mhz (12GB total)
HDD: WD Caviar Green 2 TB SATAIII
PSU: CORSAIR CX750
CASE: Thermaltake V4 Black Edition (nearly doesn't fit all my parts)
MONITOR: Samsung SyncMaster 18.5"

All parts are just a few months old except the case, the CPU, and the mobo. My CPU recently has been sounding like it's fan is a little loose, noisy and makes the case vibrate constantly and I feel like it's bottlenecking my rig's performance. My motherboard, in the other hand, had a problem it cost quite a bit of money to fix a few months ago, so naturally I don't really want to buy a brand new one.

I really want to buy a NEW CPU, but buying that potentially involves buying a new motherboard (because I want an 8-core upgrade), so I would like suggestions of what to do (see poll) and suggestions of possible parts to purchase.

Worth mentioning I also want to purchase a 1080p monitor (better quality/immersion/experience?)

Everyone who helps me by putting substantial effort in their comment will get whitelisted. Thank you :3

 
 

Please help me by giving me recommendations regarding:

EDIT 5: I'm going for 1080p. CPU+MOBO in a month or so, 1080p display + gpu next year. In this case:

  • What GPU I could buy next year to get awesome 1080p graphics at decent FPS?
  • What Intel i5 CPU model should I pick for optimal 1080p?
  • What should go inside an SSD? Just the OS, the OS + programs, the OS + programs (including games)? Can I have the games stored in the HDD and achieve good performance?
  • Please give me motherboard recommendations. ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI or ASRock? ASRock has reasonably priced gaming-dedicated mobos, are those any good?
  • I'm going for an Intel i5 series CPU, but within the i5 series, what model is optimal for good perfomance in 1080p gaming?
  • What model of 1080p display you would recommend me (budget & quality in mind)?
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What should I do about my current gaming rig?

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Wait until CPU or MOBO completely dies, then upgrade CPU+MOBO
Wait a few months more and upgrade both CPU and MOBO regardless of what happens
Buy CPU+MOBO as soon as possible, you're missing out on performance
Buy just a new MOBO and wait for the CPU upgrade
Prioritize purchasing a 1080p monitor
Prioritize purchasing CPU+MOBO when you can, wait a while for the monitor afterwards
Don't buy anything unless absolutely necessary, you're still good.
Your CPU/MOBO are still standing, and it's still a good setup, buy the monitor or something else you want.
Your CPU/MOBO are the most important thing to be upgraded, but you should also think of a GPU upgrade next year.

BUY A GOOD MONITOR.

What good is a nice computer if you can't see what it can do?

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What good is it if everything else is going to fail, then you can still enjoy your monitor but with a black screen.
Think that should be last.

As for the rest, we can't look into your wallet, if you can afford it then buy anything you can now, if not let it wait till it is necessary.

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It's not like every part in is his computer has the same expiration date or something.. Buy a decent monitor, use it while buying other upgrades, end up with a good computer AND a nice monitor to actually use the new components with

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It doesn't but 5 years is already a good end to it having a chance of failing. Which can only increase depending on it's environments (Alot of heat, dust etc), with hardware it's always a crapshoot.
I would rather have a computer in which i can do atleast basic stuff then having a nice monitor and just stare at it.

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Key word here= chance

You have no idea how long his comp will last. It may have another 10 years in it for all we know. If something decides to die in the future then great, start with replacing that and go from there

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Suppose he gets that monitor and his CPU or MOBO does die next week (it's already making noises although i can't tell if it sounds like a fan or it's a fan)) and he doesn't have the money left to buy something new (Which is most likely as else why would he even start this topic and poll)?

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what's the point of having a great monitor just to watch games lagging and FPS drops? ;p

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The core thing here is that my build isn't spectacularly horrible, I can actually play anything on it, I just can't MAX everything I believe. Also I'm unsure if my CPU is actually dieing, it's noisy because the fan sounds like it is a little loose - many would recommend a replacement in that case, though.

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even if it's not dying, it's slowing you down :> And if you'd decide to let's say upgrade GPU before it it would bottleneck you even more. See my comment below ;)

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Also depends what games he is playing and what his standards are. I mean playing Witcher 2/3 or 5 year old/indie games, big difference.
My pc is 5 years old too with only an upgraded Nvidia 430 GT video card (which is old now too) and a new monitor that broken down but i am still fine with what i can play with this rig.

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if you'd read the comment I'm sending him to you'd know that I already said exactly the same thing ;)

"Then it depends on games - it will be enough for a lot of titles, but your GPU may be stopping you from playing some of the newest next-gen titles in high quality. If you don't mind and may play lower quality / skip few games you cannot run / focus on not newest titles, but games 1+ years old - prioritize monitor for best experience from these games. If you wan't to focus on newest titles prioritize GPU as your next upgrade."

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I read it but 1+ years is pretty tight and plenty of recent indie games -1 that could run fine too. ;)

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So... what's your monitor atm ?

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Samsung SyncMaster 18.5". I don't have the exact model code right now, but it's a monitor capable of up to 720p, a basic monitor I'd say.

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So, I guess it depends on your budget.
If you upgrade the cpu, 720p would be pretty bad, but if you upgrade to 1080p, you'll probably won't use the max res anyway.

I would upgrade the monitor first:

  • ~23' 1080p would be the standard for a while, i doubt their price will change a lot
  • new cpu\socket\mobo are less "stable", if you wait you could get something better or save some money
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Problem about budget is that i'm from Brazil, I have about $1k budget BUT computer parts here are easily 50%+ more expensive.

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  • Plan a trip to 'Murrica
  • ???
  • Profit
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Easier said than done, in my case :P

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If you live in brazil i will talk in Brazilian

cara se vc tem 1000 U$. vou entender que vc possui uns 3000 Reais. compra algo parecido com essa aki pois você pode fazer um SLI depois pois o I5 aguenta de boa
Placa mãe/MOBO 450 reais
depois um I5, não recomendo o I7 caso vc não va compra uma placa de video realmente foda (980/ sli de 980/970). recomendaria até um Fx da amd, mas eles perdem desempenho em Sli ou CrossFire
Intel I5 840 reais

o monitor eu comprei um da LG LED FullHD por 500 reais na lojas americanas

sobra uns 1210 reais que vc pode compra em um gabinete/Case custou uns 300 reais ha uns 4 meses

com os 800 vc pode fazer um Sli pra sua GTx 660 ou guarda pra comprar uma VGA mais parruda daki um ano

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questão é

  • CPU/MOBO vai proporcionar que tipo de ganho antes de eu trocar GPU/Monitor?
  • O que minha GTX 660 aguenta em monitor 1080p?
  • Que tipo de placa de vídeo aguenta qualquer coisa em 1080p @60fps?
  • Que tipo de placa de vídeo aguenta qualquer coisa em 1440p @60fps?
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não sou expert mas quando montando um computador pra jogo. o gasto principal é na VGA e depois um CPU que não gargale. o meu arrependimento é ter comprado uma MOBO que cabe apenas uma VGA, se eu comprar outra não vai dar pra fazer o Cross (R9 280 da gigabyte)

1) cpu e mobo. Cpu sugeri um I5 pois a intel é melhor em sli e cross que um AMD e um I5 vai aguentar muito tempo e não ira gargala praticamente nada. e a MOBO eu não pesquisei muito mas vi essa no site que tem qualidade e aguenta um Sli ou Cross. É mais um preparo pro futuro

2) da série 600 to meio por fora mas acho que em fullHD roda os jogos no médio e jogos como the witcher 3 arrisco um Low com fluidez, mas ainda assim o Low é muito bom no The witcher. Isso vc só vai saber atravez de teste. vai no youtube pesquisa gameplay com gtx660

3) a gtx 970 aguenta todos esses lançamentos no FullHD no maximo, unico problema da 960 é que tem apenas 2Gb de memoria, tem versões da 960 com 4gb, mas era melhor compra uma 970 pois o preço era parecido (começo do ano).

4) gtx 980. mas se for compra um 980, é melhor dar mais um poco por uma 980Ti pois compensa muito, pouca diferença de preço mas a 980TI é muito proxima da TITAN.

fora isso aconcelho ver esse video Pc baratinho Adrenaline é uma série que esta ja no 4º video. eles colocaram uma APU da amd talvez o socket seja o mesmo da sua mobo atual

eles ja fizeram alguns upgrades pra rodar GTA 5, Farcry4 e Batman Arkham Knight

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I'll get newer cpu+mobo, monitor isn't a priority. You could get it later when your hardware will gain something from it, because with your current rig i don't know if you can handle/master games in 1080p resolution...

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upgrading CPU without upgrading mobo will be a waste of money - you will get old technology that will start bottlenecking you again right away.

When you have sufficient funds upgrade Mobo + CPU. Then it depends on games - it will be enough for a lot of titles, but your GPU may be stopping you from playing some of the newest next-gen titles in high quality. If you don't mind and may play lower quality / skip few games you cannot run / focus on not newest titles, but games 1+ years old - prioritize monitor for best experience from these games. If you wan't to focus on newest titles prioritize GPU as your next upgrade.

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Prioritizing buying a 1080p monitor isn't good if your rig can't run it. I would know, I can't play half my games at my monitor's native resolution. Upgrade the CPU and mobo ASAP, and then work towards a GPU. THEN you get the 1080p monitor, and it'll be more worth it when you have a rig that can actually run things at 1080p.

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So, my current rig CAN'T run at 1080p right? And what upgrade would I need to be able to do that?

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Edit: sorry i noticed now that you have 12gb ram, so you only need a good cpu!

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I already have 12 GB RAM, so if I upgrade CPU and get a 1080p screen, I will be able to run stuff at 1080p, even with my current GTX 660 GPU?

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Yeah imo gtx 660 is still a great gpu, better if a bit overclocked, and you'll run most of the recent games in 1080p at decent details.

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I'm not very computer savvy so I may be talking directly out of my asshole, so take this with a grain of salt, but my rig is similar to yours (though I only have 4gb ram), I have an AMD FX 4300 and a GTX 650 and my pc shits itself trying to run games like NBA 2k15 or Mortal Kombat X and other newer titles. My problem is the CPU because my GPU is fine enough, so I'd wager getting a CPU upgrade would do you good. Of course, that's only really if you want to max those out, in which case a better monitor would be pretty much mandatory, but again it's more worth to get a monitor after you have a good rig than before. I noticed in another comment that you're Brazilian, I feel your pain, I'm BR too and our prices kill me. I've been wanting to upgarde my pc for a while now but I can't afford shit.

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At least we are better off than <cough> console gamers <cough>

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+1

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Intel Core i5 3570K @ 3.40GHz with ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P8Z77-V LX (LGA1155) works well for me. Its a wee bit old now but still works well. not sure about compatibility with the rest of your rig but worth a look :)

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Buy scratch cards and hope to win enough to buy a whole new rig with monitor.

Sorry had to make that joke. :p

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i dont know why but it made me laugh :D

Whitelisted <3

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How many do you want to spend? I see no use in upgrading your current rig. Keep the HDD(maybe also the GPU for start) and switch to a new Set Up. Maybe first keep your current Monitor but switch ASAP when you see a nice deal. If you are from Germany i have an 27" Monitor for sell (unused xD)

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I can currently spend a max of about $1000 (dollars), but I'd rather not spend that much unless absolutely mandatory.

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  • AMD FX-Series FX-8320 Prozessor (8 x 3.50 GHz)
  • 8192 MB DDR3 Speicher
  • 1000 GB Festplatte SATA III
  • 22x DVD Double Layer Brenner
  • 4096 MB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 970
  • Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P Mainboard

Should be around 800-900 with Case etc. That should be a system what have enough power for the next years+100$ should be enough for an good but slightly used 24" 1080P Monitor (or even a new one if its a good offer)

I bought 4x 27" iiyama Monitors for around 160$ each. So if you are lucky you could even get a 27" used one around 120$ but i think only with luck. I hope i helped you a bit. You can contact me in Steam if you want for more Infos.

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It could easily reach 150% of that price in Brazil, though.
However, I'm not looking at a full rig replacement.

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Your GPU can still run new games quite decently, so I'd buy a new CPU+motherboard as it seems they'll soon die anyway. I think it's better to be playing games in 720p with steady 60+ fps, than struggling in 1080p. You can buy a new monitor later, that SyncMaster is still okay. :)

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exactly

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If you go the route of a new CPU, I would do a new motherboard in tandem. These two components really should be matched well so that they can fully function. When I upgraded my PC a few months back I put some new components with my previous motherboard (I flashed it to the latest bios and by all manufacturer's specifications they were to work together just fine) but my computer would experience hard freezing and require hard resets. Some times that would happen within 5 minutes of startup and other times it may take 2 hours. Ultimately I ended up getting a new motherboard to mount all the other new components to.

My personal preference would be upgrading hardware before a monitor. While you say yours may not be top-notch, it certainly sounds like a monitor that is plenty fine.

Also, just a last thought, if it's just a little noise coming from the CPU fan could it be as simple and cheap as a new cooling mount? :)

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Yeah, it's a little noise coming from CPU fan and case shakin', but there's also the age of the CPU itself to be taken into consideration.

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Depends on what game that you want to play.

Don't be like me, I had to buy all of new part except my harddisk only to play witcher 3 in high setting.

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Buy CPU+MOBO as soon as possible, aiming for a better GPU later this year... cos', u know... Fallout 4 is coming... =D

Hi-five from this land where taxes make gaming a pain in the ass...Hue hue br... ;)

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Kisses and hugs for our government. We deserved this for letting them stay for so long.

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Always start upgrading the bottleneck.
So, CPU (+ mobo)

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I wonder if it IS really bottlenecking, or it's just a wrong assumption due to the fact the CPU is old.
I get the feeling I should really upgrade both, but my uncertainty is related to how long I should wait until I do so. The more I wait means i'm potentially missing out on better gaming experience (1080p monitor, which requires CPU upgrade, which requires MOBO upgrade?)

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Readed whole post and poll.

My opinion:

  • monitor with 1080p is number 1, but YOU CAN ALWAYS WAIT for cheaper prices and discounts ;)
  • my rule for new CPU:
    1. I have new equipment
    2. I am enjoying myself for 3 - 5 years (let's say 4)
    3. Oh noes! It is 4th year!
    4. Looking for new one - it take a few days on forums.
    5. New equipment for ~ $ 1.100 with is really good (but not the best: $ 1.600 - 2.700 :P )

I am poor.
Yes.
Really.
Yes.
I am buying games on 96+% discount only.
I really like games :D

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Sounds to me that you have to take care of than CPU fan first! Having your entire case vibrate is a bad thing for all components and especially for the HDD. I have no idea how familiar you're with fan maintenance (I'll assume you built your PC yourself and didn't buy a pre-built one), but I'd take the fan off, open it and put some lube in it. It might fix the noise and vibrations and it might not. REMEMBER TO PUT SOME THERMAL PASTE BEFORE ATTACHING THE HEATSINK AND FAN BACK TO THE CPU! If that doesn't help or you don't want to mess with the fan, I'd recommend getting an aftermarket CPU cooler (I assume, you're currently with the Boxed version - the cooler that came with you CPU). It would be wise to choose one that's compatible with both Intel and AMD CPUs. Most are, but there are some exceptions, so pay close attention to the specs! It's VERY IMPORTANT to check the combined heatsink+fan height, because some models might be too tall for your case! A good model from a price/performance point is the Thermalright True Spirit 120M. It will both cool your CPU better and while doing so be MUCH quieter than the BOX CPU fans. This would not only solve your problem for the time being, but you would also be able to reuse the cooler with a new CPU later.

EDIT: The fact that you CPU fan is noisy and vibrating doesn't in any way mean that your CPU is dying. At most, it would be overheating, but not dying, because it should throttle automatically, even if your fan stops.

As for the monitor, deciding to get a new one would would inevitably mean playing on a higher resolution which would mean that, depending on the games you play, you would have to buy a new video card (which while much faster than your current one, would still be bottlenecked by your older CPU). That said, if you manage to patch things up with only a CPU cooler, you could go for a new monitor, especially if you mostly play older games.

When you finally decide to upgrade, I'd recommend changing both your CPU and mobo to at least a current top model Intel i5 (or an equivalent AMD, if you have to have an AMD) to have some headroom for the future, since you obviously don't upgrade often. An obvious advantage to replacing the mobo in your case would be having USB 3.0 support (unless you already have an add-on card for that).

P.S. You really shouldn't be using a WD Green disk for a system drive. These series are meant for storage drives and have variable RPM and therefore MUCH higher seek times. Those things are a big bottleneck when it comes to random access operations which is exactly what an OS frequently does. My recommendation in this respect would be preferably an SSD for a system drive or, if that's too expensive, go with WD Black or Blue (in this order). For storage, it's much better to get a WD Red than WD Green. The Reds are more reliable.

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Thank you for your post.

  • I bought the parts separately and paid a friend to build the computer.
  • My case is constantly vibrating BUT I have two big fans aside from case/CPU/GPU fans, so some of the vibrating could be coming from those.
  • I'd rather buy a new CPU than doing maintenance on my current one, as it's old (but that involves replacing MOBO, which got fixed recently, i'm quite stuck!)
  • I recon WD Green was a real bad choice, I only realized it was meant for storage and not gaming after the purchase, can I somehow tweak it to optimize it for gaming a little? What are the core problems/disadvantages for continuing to use this specific HDD for gaming?
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Buying a new CPU Fan would probably be the best choice, because as I told you, you'd be able to use if when you upgrade.

As for the WD Green, the disadvantages for gaming would be higher loading times and more sluggish behaviour by the OS in general. If that doesn't bother you, however, stick with it for now. I'm fairly sure, you can't optimize their performance.

Just a warning though, from what I've read about this series, they are not that reliable (because their firmware tells them to sleep more often, this involves parking their heads and wears down the mechanical components of the drive faster), so have a backup of your important files!

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  • Under Windows 7 x64, file system tasks like opening applications, copying files, navigating through folders do feel a bit sluggish, but nothing noticeable for gaming itself. I recently set up a dual boot partition for Windows 8.1, and that's performing a lot faster even in that aspect.
  • I back up my important files to cloud storage, so data loss is not really a concern for me, I don't care much if my HDD dies :)
  • I agree with you about CPU fan, but I can't replace unless I learn to do so, I am quite afraid of messing up something and damage my rig somehow (you are allowed to call me names!)
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Replacing the cooler can be tricky (depends on the model), so if you have a more experienced friend, I strongly recommend buying him a beer or two and asking him for help! One thing to pay attention is how much you tighten the screws that hold the heatsink itself to the frame around the CPU socket. Some higher end coolers have tension screws (a screw with a spring) that limits the maximum torque. If yours has regular screws, you have to be careful not to tighten them too much, because then you can bend the pins on the CPU (AMD) or the pins in the mobo socket (Intel). Having them too loose is not good too! Sounds kind of scary, but replacing my cooler was sooo worth it!

I just saw your EDIT about 1080p and GPU and CPU. You have games that are more GPU- dependent and those that are more CPU-dependent. Open-world games like GTA and Witcher 3 tend to be more CPU-dependent. That means the more cores (and threads) your CPU has, the better, because you have to compute a large number of cars, NPCs, objects, etc.

Having a newer GPU with an older CPU, you would inevitably have bottlenecks, especially in CPU-bound games. How much exactly would differ from game to game. In GPU-bound ones, not so much. So, it really depends a lot on the specific game you're trying to play. If you have doubts, a good idea is to check online reviews of both games and video cards. As a rule of thumb, if you look at a CPU test in games, you will notice that they test several CPUs with the same GPU in low resolutions, because then the GPU's performance would be more than enough and wouldn't affect the test results. As you increase the resolution, the CPU's role becomes smaller and smaller, but it still has to be fast enough to feed the GPU with data, so it doesn't have to wait (too long).

Hope I was able to help.

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Nice post. I always had the misconcept of thinking that the GPU was the most important thing in a game, but as you clarified, the hardware resource importance varies with the game. So I guess you would recommend me to upgrade CPU ASAP, as I am planning to play a lot of open-worlds in the future, right?

In your opinion, GPU-wise I need no upgrades to run on 1080p, and currently I would fail to 1080p games due to CPU bottleneck?

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I would do this:

  1. Get a new CPU Fan - this you must absolutely do!
  2. Get an SSD and install your OS on it. You will feel an enormous speed difference especially in normal OS operations, not only games. You will be able to reuse it later, of course.

Do you have a big screen TV? You could try gaming on it to check how your GPU would perform in 1080p and keep your current monitor for now. Some models have high input lag, so it may or may not work with your TV. Just FYI, The Sony models have a Gaming mode that has some of the lowest lag in TVs.

As someone else pointed below, you should really wait for the new generation of Intel CPUs, before you upgrade the CPU+MOBO. You will also need new RAM, because of the switch to DDR4, but such an upgrade would have you covered for another 4-5 years. You might only need to get a new GPU again at some point.

Either:

  1. Buy new monitor and GPU now & wait for the new Intel CPUs.
    OR
  2. Don't buy anything else now, wait for the new Intel CPUs, upgrade CPU+MOBO+RAM, see how it goes and shortly thereafter buy a new monitor and GPU.

I can see, you really want to upgrade something right now, but the best thing in your case would be to wait, if you want to get maximum performance and longevity from your investment!

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If you want me to be honest the only thing that doesn't need upgrade from your PC is your PSU
Prioritize Big Monitor (good for watching boobs too)
MOBO+CPU
GPU+CASE
RAM
HDD -> SSD

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There is nothing wrong with the case... i don't think it is a real beauty but it is not a bad one.
you don't have to use giant super cases for hundreds of dollar
I use an small u2 from cooltek with an i5 and an amd r9 270x and all is fine. you can even find cooler and stronger gpu that would fit in this case....

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It is also a matter of what you play...
when you play new fps and stuff you should buy a new cpu and a new board soon and also think about a new gpu IF you want to play in 1080p
if you just play indiegames, point&clicks and stuff than your cpu is still good next year and a new monitor should be the thing to work at first...

normaly you can say in hardware: if you need it, buy it, if you can wait, then wait.
That is because if you buy today you will find a better setup for same price in 6 weeks (or month).
On monitors there are not so much pricechanges so you could buy a monitor and maybe safe money to spend later even more...

It is hard to give you specific hardwaretipps cause we don't know, how much you would like to spend

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that HDD has to go "green"= slow...good for storage thats about it, then i would look at an intel i5 or i7 if you can afford it and a new motherboard to match and a new shiny case to wrap it all up in.your rams likely fine but personally i have a thing about only using matching dimms i would rather just use the hyperx and loose the extra 4Gb from the other set ny removing it :) just my two cents.

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I'd prioritize to get a MOBO+CPU in the beginning as most people said. After that you could upgrade your GPU (if you are willing to do so) along with a bigger case (if you have space cable management issues) and last I'd go for the monitor.
Even though a big monitor is a pleasure experience to have, there is no point in getting it if your PC can't withstand it.
Sidenote: I can't see why you'd need a 8-core CPU (if the PC is meant for gaming)

Anyway that's the order in which I'd upgrade

  • CPU+MOBO (If you are not afraid getting a used one you can probably find a good deal of a bundle which contains them both)
  • GPU+CASE (Even though your GPU is a decent one, I think it will have some issues on higher resolution, especially on 1080p)
  • Monitor (That would be the last upgrade and I'd definitely go for a 1080p one around 24" with an IPS panel )

I can't know about your region-pricing so I can't tell much but if you will have some budget left, I'd go with a SSD as well. It's an inexpensive choice which gives you a boost in your experience with the OS.

Hope I managed to helped even a little bit :)

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the gtx 660 should be above the min req for all AAA games out this year

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  1. Buy a good CPU cooler, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or even better, and overclock your CPU, 3 GHz is not enough for some games if you are planning to play 1080p resolution.

  2. Buy a better monitor, 24 inches at least. Personally, I like IPS panels, Dell has good monitors of this kind.

  3. The last upgrade should be the graphic card if you have enough budget after steps 1 and 2.

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I dont know if you'll read this, but here it goes:

  • why do you want an 8 core micro? (except you're doing some heavy rendering or video editing, none game uses -or takes advantage- of such processing capacity. 2-4 at best.

  • your vga IS outdated but isn't quite the most important thing, as let's say DirectX support. Must be dx11 and soon we'll have dx12 here. Devs and their shoddy unoptimized ports take alot of vRAM so they want you to have like 3-6 gb of it. Crazy! when in fact you could run them with alot less, see console hardware, they use an AMD 7890, wasn't it?

  • Now I haven't checked your mobo specs, but since I have this and I don't quite feel it to be chocking, I'd say you're not in a hurry either, specially since new gen tech is around the corner and either you buy those OR the current one will have to drop price tag, sounds good to WAIT and see what happens, PLUS you can still save up some more for even better YAY factor!
    Here's my rig:
    Phenom II x6 1055T+CM Hyper212+
    Asus M4A785TD-V Evo
    2x8Gb DDR3 Corsair Vengeance
    Sapphire HD7850 2Gb OC
    CM690 (1st gen case)
    IPS LG 23 (1080 native lcd)
    LogitechMX518 awesome mouse

Oh and yes, SSD is becoming a must now, I don't have any yet so that's dragging perf down, mainly wating like 5 mins to SO to start.
Have in mind that a native res fullHD will use more resources than your current one, so even if you buy it now and can't fully use it, it will be still a good purchase for future rig. If you dont need or don't have the huge pile of cash for 4k rig then dont. I don't know where you're from, but here in Argentina, is hard as f*ck to get stuff, both in hardware and digital form, US dollar restrictions and customs limit for imports.

EDIT: huh! I just checked your hw and you're even more updated than I (just a notch tho :P) and vga is pretty similar too. You can play in medium or high even on latest games, not BAK tho, that's TRASH, not even titans can handle that sh!t.

Save up, wait a bit and think about what you wanna use it for, that's more important. I also consider if it's worh it to upgrade, even if I should move to intel, like an i7 in a near future or stick with AMD for better prices and good performance, as they did so far. It depends on the next government changes and imports/customs politics, right now entry of new products is quite thin and prices are like 12 to 1, so yeah..

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  • I was actually wondering if I needed an 8-core. It's just that when I replace a part, I want something better, that's why it's called "upgrade". In this case I want at least a 6-core CPU. What do you recommend? :3
  • How critical it is to get an SSD? Gaming-wise, how much of an improvement is said upgrade? And one more question regarding SSDs: Is the smallest size of SSD available enough (just for fitting the OS, and keeping all files inside the storage HDD)?
  • Never thought of B:AK as reference for anything :P
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  • Thing is, so far you don't "need" more than 4-6, YET, unless you're rendering, in which case it helps to speed up the process. I also not sure about hyperthreating stuff, cause as a normal user you wouldn't notice half a second less in multitasking, haha. FPS are tied to your processing power + sync value + monitor refresh rate + how good devs made the port, (see Toukiden, fps tied to engine, unlock it and boom! it's a mess).
  • I've been told SSD is critical now, they say once you try it you wont ever go back to mechanical ones, except for storage. Loading time is highly increased, and whatever app or game that beneficts from loading files faster will win.
  • It's a new low, I'm glad it happened because it shows that we don't have to put up with that crap, it shows them what NOT to do, and also you DONT need a NASA pc to barely play games. There's a standard, and there's a customer to respect.

What do you think? stay with AMD for ZEN? Fury vga kicked some a$$ and it's also better priced than competition. I can't wait to see if micro will do the same :) Even if doesn't, it will still mean that Intel has to hold their horses and get the ff down there. GOOD for customers!

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I've read the OP, but honestly, I skipped all the posts below. In any case, looking at your configuration, you should really consider the possibilities in correlation (!) each upgrade gives you.

1) Let's take the CPU into account:
For your current 720p monitor, the CPU is the part that bottlenecks - especially in strategy or open world with load of details, or online-multiplayer - the more players, the higher the CPU-load. Those rely highly on CPU-speed and threading, while racing-games, shooters in single player or coop, platformers and such don't tax the CPU much. In a higher resolution, the CPU won't bottleneck as much as the graphics card will do. In any case, take into account what you're playing and what you're going to be playing.

An upgrade to an FX-8320 (8350 or 81XX are pointless, FX-8350 would only be ok if the price difference to the 8320 is less than $20) whilst keeping the mainboard is a temporal solution, but upgrading it in ~2 years should be planned. It all depends on what you're playing and which quality is alright to you. Is reducing CPU-taxing details like, for instance, traffic depth and amount in open world games acceptable to you or do you always have to have maximum settings enabled, without the slightest framedrop below a certain threshold you choose?

An Upgrade of the CPU now wouldn't be the greatest - Intel's new generation, including DDR4-RAM which can be used on platforms later on, if upgrading before getting to DDR5 memory as a standard, is expected to launch in August, with good availability in September - October - might be worth the wait instead of going for an "old" platform now.

An 8-core upgrade for gaming will not bring you nearly as much performance as upgrading to a 4-core i5. More cores than 4 are still not very well and broadly implemented in gaming, the games that get a notable performance-boost on more than four cores can be counted on two hands, currently. And I don't expect that to chance, since mainstream-CPUs, currently and coming, will stay 4-core. (Note that sockets as 2011-3 are not mainstream!). The FX-8-cores were taken into consideration above. But even those aren't real 8-cores (they're 4-module CPUs with 8 threads, which cripples their performance, going against a real 8-core CPU)

2) The Display:
1080p is nice and definitely an upgrade, but 1440p and 2160p screens are getting cheaper and better every day! On the mid-term, these are going to be standards, and you will probably crave for more resolution. For 1080p, the GPU is kinda alright, it will play indie-games really fine, AAA-Titles of it's time too, while you have to take some cuts in taxing AAA-Titles of the present and to come. i.e.: reduce details, anti-aliasing. In any case though, a GTX660 is able to produce graphical fidelity in an acceptable manner, but not perfectly well. When upgrading to a higher resolution monitor though, the 660 looks really, really old. 4K gaming is very, very taxing and detail reducing on current aaa-games, not really reccomendable without something like an R9 390 CF or an GTX970 SLI (although the 390 CF would perform better on a 4K screen)
Are you going to be satisfied with 1080p in the next year? A question you should as yourself.
If you keep the 720p monitor for a year or two, because you're shooting for higher resolutions, you can keep the graphics card. Because on that low resolution, even a GTX660 is "bored" with whatever you throw at it, mind badly optimized games such as Batman: Arkham Fail.
In that case: Go for a CPU-Upgrade in the neat future, see details above.

3) The GPU: I've said a lot about the GPU already. Higher resolution monitor? New GPU - that will be bottlenecked by the current CPU in most cases, sometimes just a little, sometimes severly. Even higher resolution monitor than 1080p? For 1440p, a current high-end GPU is pretty much a must have, don't go 4K with single GPU currently. In those cases, a CPU-upgrade will be crucial, whilst also paying for everything else to be new and fast -> expensive.
Upgrading the CPU to a potent intel-model (as in: go for skylake) will give you a good basis for the next 4 -6 years, again then, depending on your views on what kind of framedrops and such are tolerable. My prediction is based on the fact that every CPU-generation from intel brought about +10% more frames in games (starting with the first gen i7 CPUs from 2009) per year. That ain't much, really, a reason that older i7/i5-CPUs from the first/second generations (Sandy Bridge, Bloomfield, Lynnfield) still perform well in an higher-midrange system, not high-end though. And Intel is certainly not going to give us a CPU that increases the gaming performance for more than 15% in the near future. Why? They already have problems with the current/coming manufacturing processes, as in: heat/optimization of clock and architecture, and AMD isn't much of a competitor (unfortunately for us, because that keeps prices high and performance isn't as good as it could be in a competitive environment)

4) Case, HDD, Cooling:
First, fix the vibrating and buy a decent case. Decent cases don't have to be expensive, like the Coolermaster N300 or the Corsair Carbide 200R. Those are really solid cases, simple to handle, spacious, good manufacturing quality for around 50 bucks, depending on where you live. They also have decent (not perfect, but usable) fans included already.
As for the CPU-cooling, consider upgrading if it's causing noise and vibration. Decent coolers would be such as the coolermaster hyper 212, Hyper 412, Scythe Mugen 4, Enermax ETS-40. Best price-performance for CPU-coolers is achieved around 30 - 50, especially if you don't overclock much or don't at all. For somebody who is going to get every single mhz possible out of the CPU, there's either the enthusiast priced watercooling, or enthusiast-priced air coolers ($60-80) which I wouldn't take into consideration at this point.

Also, your WD Green HDD slows you down quite a bunch. Consider switching either for a faster drive (meh) or an SSD. While you probably know about some of the benefits of SSDs, such as faster boot, they also significantly contribute on installing-time of games and streaming content in-game. i.e.: levels will be loaded faster, cutscenes will start/end with less loading times between them, while also reducing the risk that the cutscene lags (during cutscenes, content for the level is loaded in the background, some HDDs can't provide the read-speed required to do that properly without lags)
Also, 250GB SSDs have become dirt-cheap...

Hope it helps

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Your post helped me a lot. But I am still caught in a paradoxical situation. I want to get as much graphics quality as I can, but not daring to think of 4K (A 4k-capable setup is impossibly expensive in Brazil). I'd rather take a 1440p or 2160p screen, however for sure my current GPU wouldn't handle that - my issue with upgrading GPU is that I upgraded it already less than a year ago, which feels like a tremendous waste to me.

So I have two options, upgrade just CPU+MOBO for CPU intensive games, and buy a 1080p screen in order to have 1080p gaming for the next years, or wait a fair bit of time to get CPU+MOBO+GPU to achieve an even better resolution. TBH, I would feel bad with dumping my current GPU even in a year from now, but I guess that will have to happen then. I really don't want to lose too much in graphics experience.

What would you do in my position? (Also - take Brazil prices as reference, it's not just a matter of price conversion, it's much more expensive here)

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Difficult, since I've upgraded my PC regularly in the past to fit my exact needs.

What I think I would to, of course I can't guarantee it's the best course of action is:
Upgrade CPU / MoBo / RAM to Intel Skylake. A nice i5-6XXX, 8GB of RAM (16GB won't be needed in gaming for the next few years and if it, against odds, should be, you can upgrade later if needed instead of spending money beforehands), a motherboard that suits your needs. You could upgrade the CPU-cooler now, since amd and intel kits always come with it, mount it on the amd now, keep the intel mounting kit and mount it on the 1151 socket later on (1151 socket will be the same as 1150/1155/1156)

In that, you have a nice basis for the next 4 - 6 years, no CPU limits. That enables you to upgrade the display next. That, in turn, enables you to see if you're satisfied with the performance of your 660 on a 1080p monitor on general, or, if you're not, save up to buy a better GPU in the future, that won't be bottlenecked by the CPU, which you've exchanged before.

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