Exact same with me :| Tempted to sell the PS3 and games and my TV just to buy a competent DESKTOP. I'll never buy something with integrated graphics again in my life :| Recently bought Payday 1 (knowing it wouldn't run) and Borderlands 1 (which I'm in the process of turning into an N64-quality game so I can MAYBE run it :| )
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"That thing's almost a direct console port so you know it's super optimized."
Umm... What? Being a console port says nothing about how optimised a game is for PC hardware. In fact, a buttload of ports have horrible optimisation, and run like poop across a plethora of hardware scenarios..
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It's not that simple. Even with low res textures there's a lot of texture page swapping going on, leading to pop-in in some games. Also it's pretty hard to keep load times reasonable and there's probably going to be more need for loading on consoles as you'd need to keep switching around assets.
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Umm.. "Optimisation" is not some magical universal process. You optimise code for specific platforms. Code optimised for an XBOX won't be optimised for a Playstation 3, for example. "Do you have any idea what those poor devs had to go through on a device with less than a gig of RAM?" This is exactly what optimisation is about. When you know exactly what hardware you're making a game for - as with consoles - you can work with far less hardware power and still achieve good performance. A gig of RAM on a console is used far more efficiently by games than a gig of RAM on a PC.
When they optimise code for consoles, and do lazy porting, the game might run OK on PCs with some very specific hardware setups that use similar instruction sets and use similar architectures to the console the code was made for, but in general, the game won't run well on most PCs without optimisation being done on the code for PCs, specifically. PCs have a wildly varying set of potential setups hardware-wise, thus making optimisation for PCs a little more difficult, and by definition impossible to always make work with similar levels of performance on all possible hardware scenarios, even if the comparative performance of two setups you're comparing is similar. Also, older gen consoles had very proprietary hardware tailor made for them, which further complicated matters. The new gen of consoles, and in particular the PS4, are much closer to basically being custom PCs as far as their hardware goes, and thus need less work done on porting to PC, or at least make porting easier to do, with less platform-dependant optimisation.
Pop-in is only really an issue for open-world or sandbox titles, or other games that use some form of streaming to load the world around you. This has always been an issue for games, and is largely dependant on the way assets are streamed in, how the streaming engine is made to work. Anyway, as you said earlier, you're often working with less hardware power on a console than an average gaming PC, so the guy is right in what he said - usually, textures are made lower res, and resolutions are upscaled (see the new Watch_Dogs running at 900p on consoles, for example) to account for less breathing room in hardware performance on consoles, even after optimisation cycles. Also, on PCs, you can throw in graphics and other performance affecting options, which you can't do on consoles. There are a ton of lazy / crappy ports that use the same lower-res assets that their console equivalents do, on PCs. See the new Dynasty Warriors 8 game just released on Steam for a nice example (and one that pisses me off).
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Serious Sam 3 and Dead Island. They work, but at 10-20 fps.
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If you wanna run it, then graphic are second only to sheer FPS.
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I don't look forward to having to actually pay attention to specs when I get games in the (near?) future. My gaming notebook is from 2012 and not really upgradable, but I still operate under the presumption that it will run any game I try, even if on low, so don't bother checking specs.
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Yeah, I have to start paying attention to specs now XD I want to get an actual stationary computer. But that won't happen for awhile.
It's kind of annoying cause now I pretty much feel like there's this blockade I can't get past now cause my computer isn't good enough now. I can't even run Deadlight XD
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Ah, the good ol' "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU CLOSE MY EYES AND DRRREEEAAAAM" mentality, I know it well :P
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Lol. Not looking forward for when I have to get involved in that world since it's costly and confusing (until you're edjamacated.) But I can't wait to get great graphics and awesome fps rates. Then I can finally play in comp settings (like, I can't do comp CS:GO cause my computer constantly tears and my fps rates aren't suitable for such a setting)
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Buying new laptops every time Is probably more expensive than building your own beast pc.
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Well I don't plan to buy laptops, I only have this laptop because it was given to me free when I went to college. The laptops they give out aren't ones you can play games on, but luckily they JUST ran out of laptops. So they ordered some news ones and I got lucky enough that this is a laptop I can play games on.
But yeah, I want to build a pc at some point. It sounds like something I need to do since gaming is one of my most common hobbies. Even since i'm trying to get into competitive gaming.
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really surprising you can play bioshock infinite just fine but not Borderlands 2 or Sanctum 2. ive run those fine on intel HD4000 at max settings with just vsync turned off. i dont own bioshock inf. but i would think a game like that would be more demandin those those 2
My backlog just consists of most of the tomb raider collection and....ben there dan that....it might not be my cup of tea...but i just thought that game was terrible but i still put it in my "need to beat" tag in library
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Yeah it's really weird. My computer it really bi-polar about when it chooses BL2 or S2 can run. Which is very rarely mind you. But they pretty much never run, even on the lowest settings. But it's weird because the times it actually does run. I can play with higher than normal settings with no problem. Weeeeeeeeird. But yeah, I can run Bioshock Infinite smoother than butter, which is weird. But i'm happy about that though since it's one of my favorite games on steam.
Lol, I gotta beat the new Tomb raider. I personally don't think it's interesting, mainly cause I think they forced the combat mechanic on it. It's really stupid and I hate it. Every time I play the game, the game just feels like it's being forced to do something it doesn't want to do. And I agree. I feel like the game needs way more puzzles, careful and well-done exploration routes. Also "survival" actually needs to be apart of the game. There was no "survival" present in that game (that i've played so far) It's just like. Shoot peeps and cry about your friends, it's dumb. iunno. I figure the only way i'm going to enjoy playing it, is if I stream it live to my twitch.
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I personally have played much of the earlier tomb raiders so i can't connect them with the newest one(which is the only one i have beat) but i liked it, but i played it sorta of as an interactive story showing how laura started out. I have no idea of how puzzly or survivally it should have been if it had to :s
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Wait, you can't run Sir, You Are Being Hunted? Check your PC, something must be wrong, software-wise.
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I haven't had that problem in well over a decade, but I tend to lag behind on my backlog, so I'm never playing the latest and greatest game. So long as its new to me, that's all that matters. I tend to build solid budget computers, but since I'm playing games a couple of years after release, they all run like gangbusters.
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I thoroughly enjoy a good run in Planetside 2 now and then, but my laptop really does have a hard time keeping up with it.
Oh, by the way, you can check PC Gaming Wiki for suggestions on how to optimise Borderlands 2. I had some frame drops here and there and decided to turn off the cel shading for a second run - I gained quite some FPS just by doing that, and the game still looks neat, if you ask me. Always google PCGW! ;-)
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I sold my gaming PC recently so I only have a laptop and I don't planning buying on a new PC (moving a lot, work no time etc) so here are the games I can't run:
Alan Wake, Alan Wake American Nightmare - 18fps max on lowest settings
Saints Row 2-3 - fps drops, microstuttering.
The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing - microstuttering, fps drops
Deus EX Human Revolution - incredibly unstable fps, stuttering and drops
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On my old non-gaming PC I convinced myself I could run GTA 4..... ignoring any good sense that I was using an i3, intel grapics, and a non gaming computer. The lag was SO bad. I also bought Skyrim from walmart before GTA 4 (60 bucks, before I knew what all steam could do for me.) I can't honestly say my old computer couldn't run it, because I never really played with the settings, lowered everything, etc etc. but to this day I still haven't played into Skyrim, and I guess one reason is I am irritated I paid 60 bucks for a game that you can get on steam with all the dlc for like $10 on a sale. grumbles
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There is a batch file you can put into GTA 4's files that allow you to tap into more of your shared memory. My friend had a similar problem and he was able to play it after fixing it.
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I would love to run Shadow Warrior 2013 at the highest settings because it would look so beautiful T.T
When a game won't run on your pc, i don't know for you, but to me it feels like it puts you in the friendzone. You love it but you can only watch gameplays XDDDD Man i'm such a poet.
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Back in 1999. I got Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear for my Pentium I with 1MB integrate graphics processor... It was torture, 4 minute long mission took me around a hour to complete. And because it was my only game, I've done campaign 10-15 times.
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what graphics card is supported in linux but not windows?
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latest Catalyst Release Notes lists yours, with exception for:
The following notebooks are not compatible with this release:
Any notebook launched after this driver release
Toshiba notebooks (please contact the notebook OEM for driver support for these notebooks)
Sony VAIO notebooks (please contact the notebook OEM for driver support for these notebooks)
Panasonic notebooks (please contact the notebook OEM for driver support for these notebooks)
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Confused? I mean do everything but gaming on Linux but come on, just game and only game on windows, its alright for that at least. I love Linux but face the facts, its not a gaming platform yet...
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Yeah and that makes no sense, so yes I can read.
That card reads on Windows...better contact the manufacturer, because there is something wrong.
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"I'm using Linux and have 1.3k games on steam. How do you think?"
Alright.....
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Just fyi, there is a nice performance guide for Borderlands 2 on Steam. With the normal in game settings I would get a sluggish framerate of ~30-40 only (with low/med settings @1080p native resolution), with some ini tweaks I can play with 60 fps @1080p and it doesn't look any worse than the low/med settings I had before. It's worth a try.
And like someone else said, Dishonored is a perfect example of how you should do a PC game. The min requirements are a joke, I'm only slighlty above those and I can run the game @1080p with almost maxed settings with 60 fps.
As for me personally, I did have some games that I couldn't play (Natural Selection 2 and Rise of the Triad would be some more recent examples - both have terrible optimization), but none that I would have absolutely loved to play.
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I guess i'll look for that performance guide. Because I really would like to get my borderlands on and play with other peeps.
I would play Natural Selection 2 if the fps rate wasn't so absolutely disgustingly awful and if the devs actually put work into balancing their game.
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I had to sadly get rid of my gaming PC and now have a gaming laptop .. Luckily I can run any game I have without any problems.
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Sleeping Dogs was my first steam game. Overheats as hell.
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State of Decay and Arma II operation arrowhead(Dayz mod) currently, other games which have high system requirements that i own i played on my brothers laptop, but he recently moved out of the house so... :(
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Skyrim, runs on decent fps on high, but just gives BSOD after ten minutes.
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How many games have you bought that you know you'd truly love the game. But you bought it and found out you can't run it. (cause looking at System Requirements is for chumps.)
For me it'd have to bbeeeeeeeee...
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Sir, you are being hunted.
Borderlands 2(I still forced my computer to deal with it for 48 hours cause I fuckin' love borderlands man XD)
Sanctum 2
But yet I can run Bioshock Infinite with no problems whatsoever :U
Waht.
Yeah so i'm working through my backlog, so i'm sure there's a few more (like dishonored ; 3 ; (yup, I tested it today. I cannot run Dishonored XD))
What're a few of yours?
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