Aww... being punished for not cheating... xD Well, i'm sure the people who got unjustly VAC banned do appreciate that at least. ^^
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There is no such a thing like... VAC ban for being innocent. Even if they didn't cheat they did use cheating programs on PC. Like my friend. 1.5k games, I asked him how he got VAC and he said he was cheating in non steam game and then run Black OPS and even the cheat was not for this game he got VAC banned. I asked him WHY? Why You used hacks for some free game, and he said, why not. Well fk logic I guess... Then be a man and take responsibility for cheating. There are people out there that don't cheat at all.
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Still, there can be a difference in how you modify game files... if it's to gain an unfair advantage it's sure inappropriate, if it's just to change some looks that should be up to everyone to decide..
an automated system doesn't distinguish between those. Personally i don't care about that stuff but i can see there being enough people who don't even consider it and end up surprised about their bans.
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Well You get VAC when You play multiplayer, I've seen a lot of people trying to change "Smoke Sprite" to invisible so they can see through smoke in CS. You think that is just a look? :) Obviously not, besides I don't care if they change files in single player, I mean why would they do that on Steam games? They can do on any other. Nobody is doing a charity work just to change looks.
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And yet, if you cheat on Adventure Capitalist, you can get banned. -_-
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I don't but i do think for instance tweaking ones UI, as in on which part of the screen numbers are shown or what font is used or things like that is just a look =P
Don't get me wrong, i do think that the majority of bans on online games is justified but at the same time i do believe that an automated system will always be bound to make mistakes as well.
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Automated systems never make mistakes, people make them.
But yeah I can agree that there might be a situation that somebody, maybe...
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Automated system do make mistakes. Humans programmed them. The amount of coding that go into something like VAC always leaves a margin for error.
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That's true, but as I said automated systems never make mistakes, I guess someone who made that system didn't think of possibility like that, but then again why u would do such a system if You would allow everyone to change original files. They don't check what this mode does, they can't I think, they just prevent You from changing those files.
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That's not quite true, you can get VAC-banned for playing singleplayer games if you use the "right" mods. These are all games that have both singleplayer & multiplayer in them, like Half-life, but you don't actually need to be connected to a server in order to get VAC banned. Hooked files seem to be the main culprit here.
Cry of Fear, before it went standalone "free to play" was one of those mods that used hooked files, that could get you VAC banned for playing it.
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That is shame and was that mode available on steam?
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It was not, it was a 3rd party mod. But it was not a 3rd party mod that interfered with any other components of the game (so if you played it, you would not see any differences in regular HL multiplayer). But the system just detected that you had a hooked file, and VAC-banned you for it.
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So these mods were not officially modes that You could get via community, not a surprise then that they got banned. I mean if You have only slight of brain cells You will understand how this system works, and You would know that changing any files in STEAM is risky. Wonder if anyone who was playing SKYRIM mods had been vac banned.
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Back then, there were no official mods that you could get through the community, but Valve had officially stated that mods were something that was allowed, and that it would not get you VAC-banned. Actually, this was what they said about it:
Using custom skins, sounds or maps and playing multi-player mods which do not modify core .EXE and .DLL files will not result in a VAC ban.
Hooked files don't modify files, so according to Valve's own policy, this is allowed. Also, Valve openly encouraged multiplayer mods back then, and Cry of Fear is one of those multiplayer mods, it just so happened that VAC was unable to tell the difference between a hooked file being used in a mod that did not modify the core game, and a cheat file.
My guess is that as Skyrim lacks a multiplayer component, there's no VAC check. Why implement a system that can't be used?
It should by the way be noted that Valve is a company that built its fortune on mods. Counter Strike, one of the most played games on Steam, is a HL mod.
It should also be noted that just because you got a mod from Steam Workshop (introduced in 2012, by the way), it does not have to be safe. Mods have been removed in the past due to issues they've caused, but there's always that period between a mod being uploaded and a problem being spotted, and at least one person has to get some issues from a mod before something is done about it.
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Yes, but hooking a file does not modify the original file.
And Valve never actually stated that you can't use hooked files (but it's a common cause for false positives), and Cry of Fear fit within the criteria of what Valve states is allowed, yet it, and several other mods, caused VAC bans.
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I know but it might hook something else and Vac is working like a decent malware/antivirus and it just bans any suspicious behaviour. If they woulnt do that, they wouldnt be able to keep up with new hax.
To be honest Im very happy with a quality of that conversation with You and I will add You to my whitelist for it. A lot of people would simply call me name for just having a different opinion. Thanks!
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there is thing like. I got 2 friends who get vac ban at the exact same time during a cs:go party against random russian, and they get vac ban in middle of party they don't even know why as they didn't cheat... glad i didn't had cs:go at that time and played with them lol
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Omg, I am going to get a VAC so I can join this!!
Or I'll just bump this thread for you.
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I've heard using mods with CoD is the easiest way to be able to enter this GA.
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I guess it's time to get vac banned on cs 1.6, brb.
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I'd like to know how many people actually enter this GA
I wonder how many people would like a (black)list of everyone who enters
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I was so happy when I read custom rule VACbans < 0
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There's nothing obnoxious about the SGT no VAC ban filter (and the custom no Game ban and no Trade ban filters) and their use otherwise giveaway creators wouldn't use them as much as I see them used in SGT protected giveaways! ^ ^
Cheaters are obnoxious and a lot of people don't like cheaters.
And very, very special thanks and credits go out to the cheaters themselves for VAC bans being once temporary and now permanent! ^ ^
EDIT: Thank you for the good luck Ambidot as seconds after I posted this I saw the space cat! :-)
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That's really not more than an urban legend made up by obnoxious cheaters.
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I remember times when VAC ban was for full account, any game You had was only for SP, no multiplayer anymore. Today You get 7 VAC bans and nobody gives F**.
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I failed ! I need to work on this matter need vac or 2 :P
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Only two Epica? The leading " VACcer " has 24 VAC bans and 1 Game ban! ^ ^
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It's only 23 days since his last VAC ban, give him time.
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And highest level on his friends list is "Satan".
"Im a former Quake / 1.6 pro-player and thinking that I cheat is just an excuse to your brain, because you can't believe that my skill is just better than you." lol
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Yay!!! The Escapist!....
Not this time. :/ How can I Get this magic VAC?
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I say thank you mate ;D Got mine from CoD:MW2 for playing custom game-modes
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If you circumvent the the SGTool test to enter; it would show a willingness to cheat. So is that a honorable Vac ban?
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