You people can stop necro'ing this thread with "thanks" it was over a year ago and hasn't come back up since.
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It was just my auto-"Thanks" script I run on necro'd threads. Sorry!
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Hi cg,
it would be good when you raise the standart suspension time for autojoining from 2 days, because that is laughable but not in a good way, to a more realistic timeframe.
I would advice 1-2 weeks for the first time and the second should be a perma suspension.
And it would be good when you do your magic to catch again thousands of users in one go because all the hunting stuff that my group and i do can't replace your power, that is much easier done and lesser time consuming, with all the access to your logs.
Thanks and have a good day.
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I have never heard of this being used
Then again I don’t use the forums and I’m also highly inactive
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Perhaps it's about time to do another round of suspensions, yes? More than HALF of my recent public giveaway winners are auto-joiners.
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How can you tell? (Edit : Oh I guess there are MANY tells)
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From them taking 4 days or more to claim a win? From them being online everyday yet unable to claim wins or respond to messages? Just a thought.
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Only seconds between joining in multiple GA, possible with a message included.
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This is a genuine question, but why leave a message if you're autojoining? In my recent slew of public giveaways, I noticed quite a few people who would leave identical "thank you" comments on multiple of them within seconds of each other and I was wondering if they might be autojoining, but surely that would just give them away/make their account look more suspicious, doesn't it?
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The thanks script is a part of the, most used(?), autojoiner.
But only the dumbest activate it. So you see in the end only the iceberg tip with that messages.
In the end not important, they can autojoin as openly as they want, if they don't write "i am autojoining" 90% will never be punished.
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From what I've seen, they habitually come online exactly 30 minutes after they've gone offline, and seem to stay online for just a few seconds... just long enough to scan for new giveaways. Over and over, for hours, and most of the ones I've encountered don't seem to ever disable the script, at least not for very long, if they do. Occasionally I've seen one or two go offline for awhile, but then when they come online they proceed to exhibit the exact same behavior as before. Even someone who is paranoid about missing 1 hour giveaways, isn't going to behave like this, and be this exact, consistently.
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The shown online/offline status isn't live shown.
As far as i known from old tests it was only refreshed each 20 or 30 mins.
But the general direction of the autojoiner behavior is still very visible in the most cases.
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I adviced and later demanded this since years, because yes, nowadays use 50% of the active users autojoiners.
Nothing happened.
Cg don't care and the mods don't have the tools to do something in a bigger size against the autojoiners.
The users and mods must invest thousands of hours of work for stuff that cg could solve in a few hours. And this is a absolute, bad, joke.
Cg explained short ago why someone that act like a autojoiner could be a innocent user with bottle necks in the site, his connection etc. etc. etc. (all in my group facepalmed about that explanations because it was a "i do nothing because from Xk punished ones could be one innocent").
It looked much as he explained why he can't do something to hunt autojoiners because it could give false positives too.
Which sounded as finding reasons to not say directly that he don't invest his lifetime to do something against the cheating (because he don't care).
Only solution, don't do public GAs and join my group that have no autojoiners.
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Yeah, it seems like he just doesn't want to actually deal with them. I guess if he did care, they wouldn't be flourishing. F'ing sucks.
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The "actually" means in this case min. 5 years and that is the sad part on it.
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Well, if he wanted, he could create a system that indicates probably cheaters, add them to a list, and then, check if they are constantly behaving that way. If someone has regular joins between autojoins, it could be sent to manual check instead of suspension. It wouldn't take long to ban every cheater from lvl2+. But again, there would be a need to check if the server cost of making a small system like that would make sense, considering the advantages it would bring.
Talking about those server costs, the cost would pay itself after those auto joiners get banned, as it would mean less traffic to the website. But again, less traffic = less ads!?!?
GOD DAMNIT.
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To maintain ad revenue, a solution could be that when autojoiners get added to the list and they "shadow enter" GAs until they fix their behavior in the same way that social media sites will shadow ban people so they think they are contributing when they really aren't.
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He don't need to create something.
He could use the system that he had used 5 years ago.
It would maybe be not perfect but anything/everything would be better as nothing (as it is the last 5 years...)
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Solution: don't do public giveaways. Bot alts numbers won't increase when we stop feed them.
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Well done..... 5 years ago.
Since then, nothing done against the autojoiners.
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Even five years ago it wasn't well done. A few days suspension to deter autojoiners is nothing and the accounts punished were in the range of 0.001 percent of users. Appeasement policy at its finest.
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Yes, a few days weren't enough but to suspend 1,6k users in one go was much more as before and the 5 years after it.
If he would use the same way as 5 years ago, he would punish now much more as 1,6k users and hopefully with a stronger punishment as a few days.
In the end:
All is better as nothing
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Demn it, i habent noticed time when thread was created. That's sad to Hear. They should clean those auto joiners every week atleast
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Hi SG,
You might remember that 5 months ago we had a discussion about scripts and add-ons used to automatically join giveaways, and how they are against the rules.
Unfortunately, a large number of users continued to use those scripts, and we needed to suspend 1,614 users today. The suspensions are based on activity from the past week. For now, those users have received a short suspension as a reminder to disable their scripts. However, future suspensions will be more severe, or permanent.
Hopefully this will help to keep the community fair for everyone. Enjoy your week!
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