Never starved, always had a roof over my head. So no, I have never been poor.
When I quit my job and moved to another continent to basically wash dishes and scrap prep in any restaurant that would hire someone with no experience, I had to count my pennies hundreds of times to make sure I could eat until the end of the month and pay the bills for my shitty room.
But I was never without a safety net. I had family who was willing to help if I was ever in real trouble.
That's more than a lot of people have.
When I felt I was sliding down and started worrying about my situation, I began volunteering with a buddy for an organization that distributes food and blankets to the homeless in the winter. Let me tell you that gives you a whole new perspective on your little worries.
My grandparents were never what you'd call "comfortable". They had some very rough times where they struggled to put food on the table and alternated going without dinner so that their three kids could eat well. They even had to ask my mother to quit school at 17 and get a job when my grandfather lost his over a disease he got because of his job.
But you know what? They never thought of themselves as poor. When they did have some money left over after paying their bills, they always put a little in the bank, a little in the dream jar and they gave away some to people who were "in need".
They always knew there how a little can help a lot and they never forgot that, even later on when they had enough in the dream jar to buy themselves a nice camper and started taking vacations that didn't involve spending the day at the beach.
They never wanted things they couldn't have and they were content with having a little more than they needed. That's being rich if you ask me.
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Having a safety net (family, welfare, etc.), is definitely something many take for granted. I am also fortunate enough where I probably wouldn't end up on the street if it comes to that point. But for those who don't have that safety net, the extra anxiety, stress, and mental torment that gets added when you have to constantly fear ending up on the street takes a significant toll, even if you never end up on the street.
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But I was never without a safety net. I had family who was willing to help if I was ever in real trouble.
This was my situation also. Had a couple of years where I did not always earn enough to pay rent and buy food... but my family was there for me. I definitely consider myself lucky to have had that. (Especially since my family is pretty dysfunctional in many ways).
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(Especially since my family is pretty dysfunctional in many ways).
I hear you, trust me. Maybe dysfunctional families end up being close knitted because you go through tough things together.
Still, there has always been people I could, and can, count on there, especially my aunts and cousin, and my sister.
Even though we can go months without talking at all, I know they're there and they know they can count on me too.
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Thanks for the GA's.
I have more now then 20 years ago.Never been really poor but started my adult life with nothing
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Maybe I not in poverty but definition of poor is different: After 7 years of working still not have enough money for buying a house I want without big mortgage, but NEVER I homeless, starving, without proper hygiene or medical care and still have some spare money for little fun
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It greatly depends on definition of poor. In my opinion, I was poor for quite a long time, and even now I can't call myself rich at all. On the other hand - there are always were people that were more poor than me, and from their point of view they can consider all my life wealthy... So it's hard to discuss it without agreeing on some general definition first.
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One in five people live in poverty in the UK, be hard not to have been at some point.
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Worst I've ever been was probably 30 years ago, got kicked out of home while a first year fitting and machining apprentice. I was earning $180 a week (Australian) and paying $150 a week in rent for a tiny caravan. I lived on dry Weetbix (wholegrain cereal biscuits) and dry bread and water as I also had a fair distance drive to work every day so had to keep the car fueled as a priority. Spent a couple of years living like that.
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I've always had food, water and shelter. Compared to lots of people in the world, I'm rich. I tried to explain that once to someone and he said that's not being rich. Well, in more than one place in my house I have this thingamabob, you turn another thingamabob on it and... Edible water! Does the majority of the people in the world (>50%) have that?
Most of my life I've had little to no money. Compared to the majority of people around me, I'm poor. Povertry is a relative term. To some people I'm poor. Yet I can still go to a doctor if I feel ill or I have an accident, and not have to pay him.
I've always had a need/hate relationship with money, but I've never really felt poor. Like, ok, I can't buy that game, that gadget, that book. I don't have a house of my own. I can't go to travel with my friends, or even go to a restaurant without being invited. But poor? Povertry? I have clothes. A bed. Way way far from povertry.
Still in Spain there are many people living below the "povertry line", probably more than in the average european country. And for what I've heard from 1st hand, it's hella hard to go over that line once you're below it.
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It definitely is relative. Same reason how some people earning 6 figures a year might still complain about being poor, because they hang out with people who are more wealthy. Even some millionaires think they're not rich because there are people out there who have billions.
I think it is good to have that perspective though where you don't compare yourself to those better off, because then you will never have enough. Instead, being grateful for the things you do have. It might be difficult for some to have that perspecitive though depending on their lived experiences.
There's definitely privilages people take take for granted most don't even think about. Such as what you mentioned about the healthcare in much of Europe, or as I mentioned in another comment in this thread, how much of a privilage it is having a safety net (family, welfare, etc.). As it is not only ending up in poverty or not, but even having the constant fear, anxiety and stress over ending up on the street takes a massive toll on a person, and that is a constant everyday mental torment if you are not fortunate enough to have that safety net.
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It is sad because so many people don't realise how significant that is.
Like in the US people who don't have health insurance would rather risk dying than get taken to the hospital, and it is just so horrible. Saw this story about a newborn needing to be taken to the hospital via a helicopter, but the baby still died, and the couple was left with more than 250 thousand dollars of debt from the hospital plus the helicopter. They not only have to deal with their newborn dying, but will also be in debt for the rest of their life because of it. A lot of these systems, be it in healthcare, in welfare etc. are just so inhuman.
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My youngest daughter underwent a complicated brain surgery when she was a baby (18 months old), followed by a host of different specialists to this day (she'll be 5 soon) in order to give her a chance at a normal life.
Not only have I not spent a cent on the doctor's bills, the health system in our country also takes care of the medication she has to take every day.
I don't even want to think about what would have happened if I lived in the US...
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just for clarity: thought a few moments (actually more than that) if replying to you would be good, or not. also hope you don't take it personal.
i've been tempted to write a similar comment. but then i didn't cause the fact that i'm hella lucky to be born here, shouldn't make me forget about those unluckies born elsewhere. it's a matter of luck and, obv, unfairness.
now, think about being an american mother with that exact same problem you're describing, and you're passing by here, reading 'bout that luck of yours...
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I do not believe i am lucky for having social security in my country nor do I think that I should be ashamed of it. I pay my taxes and I get my basic needs guaranteed by the state... that's the social contract here.
I also believe that the richest contry in the world should do a lot better in this area but I am not a citizen and can't do anything about it except explaining how it is done differently elsewhere. In the end the population of each country is responsible for their government, their social system, and their economy (especially modern democracies).
I would also like to make clear that my comment was not bragging... it comes from a place of empathy for the people that share the same experiences as me but suffer way more because of the inherent "unfairness" of their health system.
No offence taken, icaio :)
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When the utilities are cut off because you can’t pay your bills, and you’re literally looking down on the street trying to find dropped change while walking to the store. The three of us were able to buy a pack of pasta, some beans, and a loaf of bread, and needed it to get us through a few more days
This was 20 or so years ago.
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Looking back I could consider myself poor when I was a student. Filling gap after gap with loan after loan, eating the same dinner (no meat and no fresh veggies of course) three days in a row because it was cheaper to make it in bulk.... stuff like that. but of course, which student isnt poor?! And also: real poverty gets serious if there is no safety net and/or no light at the end of the tunnel. I've always felt very lucky I had friends and family to turn to when things got dire and I knew my financial situation would (most likely) improve after graduation...
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Hell yeah. Spent a lot of my childhood poor. It fluctuated from "plain potatoes or rice for dinner every day of the week" to "going to bed hungry tonight" at the worse of it. We rarely had everything a family needs to live adequately. Running out of essential goods and not being able to resupply because pay day was still a week away was a common occurrence.
It sucked, and I'm glad I was able to get out of being poor as an adult.
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Yes. At one point, circa 1992, I lived in New Orleans and had 14 cents to my name. Which was the cost of one banana or one apple at the local corner store (the AP) in the French Quarter. I lived a few blocks from there. A dude tried to rob me, I was like, "dude. I've got 14 cents to my name". Ended up hanging out for a bit, got someone to buy us a pitcher of Turbo Dog at Kagan's and basically just bullshitted about tourists and such lol. Good times. Sometimes, you're broke, but only as poor as your attitude allows. I did start working as a bouncer at Kagan's like a week later and got out of the $8/night bunkhouse I was staying at. Who were actually super cool and would let me watch the front desk in exchange for rent and food while I stayed there. Different times back then. Minimum wage was like $3.65/hour or somesuch.
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I have been poor at a certain point in my life. Neither not working nor getting myself together did not help.
I had some savings, so lived on that for a while. After many months and depletion of savings, I finally asked for social benefits for unemployed people. That is when I realized, how much below the poverty standard I was living. First couple of months I managed to save about half what I was getting from social administration. I used the new savings to buy replacement parts of things that were broken, some new clothes for interviews or simply nice things etc.
Then after getting all the paperwork done, looking into interesting occupations and preparing for interviews, I step by step reached milestones which in the end brought where I am today - not rich, but financially stable with a steady income from a job that is meaningful and fulfilling to me.
However, it was a long and winding road. If I have accepted the social benefits earlier, it might helped me to really plan and prepare my way out of poverty earlier. Nowadays I see the benefits more as loan from society, which I now pay back in form of income tax and other taxes.
As long as you are poor as a church mouse, affording the meals for the next weeks occupies your mind more than any middle or long term plan for a job career or life.
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affording the meals for the next weeks occupies your mind
that's why never liked money that much. how dumb is that if you're poor t will be hard to have some money but if you're rich, you can very easily have tons more... ?
congrats, btw! hope you enjoy it as long as possible, also love how you changed your point of view about benefits.
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Never been poor to the point of needing help, but my parents weren't wealthy either.
Growing up, my family lived on a farm. And to be honest, it just broke even. We never had the money to go on holidays or anything like that, but we always had food on the table. We didn't have many unnecessary luxuries, but we had everything we needed.
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I dont know the real meaning of poor or poverty but i realized one thing. When i was low on money there was lots of needy friends, when there was no car, there was lots of friends. Now we can afford fancy dinner, cars, huts but we live in different cities/countries rarely meet once or twice a year. Life is strange.....
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I’m not poor, don’t have extra for games so the way I pay for games is wait for sale, sell cs2 items , buy games.
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first times was here (like, first two years?) i was used to make fun of folks farming to sell cards and then buy keys for new games.
how much time and energy and all the rest you need to get 10 cents!!! ah ha ha.
found myself farming, after a while. got few bucks, bought new games to gift here.
thank you!
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While I've never experienced hardship, abundance has also eluded me. In my country, Brazil, particularly in my state, Rio de Janeiro, we grapple with significant challenges in security, education, and healthcare due to corruption, rendering these services precarious. Many people endure levels of poverty and need much more intense than mine, making me feel that complaining is unjust.
Rio de Janeiro is known as the "Wonderful City," but this wonder is accessible mainly to the truly wealthy. While it's a beautiful city with warm and lively people, coping with the constant fear of robbery and frequent gunshots can be challenging.
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