"Waiting for a sale" "Waiting for it to get bundled"

You do realize that not everyone has enough money to buy games for a full price?

So you are saying that I should stop eating and start coughing out money for games instead?

I wait for sales. Not because I "can't afford", but because I think that overpaying for something just to play it earlier isn't that much of an advantage, at least for me.

The prices will eventually drop, not only because of sales but also because the price drops naturally, so if you're not eager to play, it's wise to end up paying less for it.

I don't mind paying full price for indie games and such, when I want to help the developers, knowing how hard it is. But I'll never buy a full priced AAA title ever again, since there'll be plenty of people that's gonna fill their pockets in no time anyway.

What an idiot.

Most of the gamers dont have a job and still go to school. Who would give 50€ for a game of 10h length today when you can buy games like deus ex,witcher,bioshock infinte for <5€

Maybe to my eyes it's not worth the asking price. Maybe I don't have that kind of money now. Maybe it's not just the videogames industry, but shopping in general (see a brand of soap 50% off and go "I would not usually grab that, but since it's on discount I might as well give it a try"). Maybe I'm not willing to pay the premium price of instant access and rather spend half the money (you know, spending less money for an equally valid product is a good habit). Maybe I'm not a charity and if they want more money from me they have to do better marketing and/or offer me more, since I work for my money and it doesn't rain from the sky. Maybe offer is way higher than demand and eventually the garbage will die out because it's not sustainable anymore.
It's also better than piracy: developing costs are already spent, so selling more copies of a digital product means increasing profit, regardless of the price point.

Let's turn the tables here, if you are complaining about people who can not afford games at full retail price and have to wait for sales. If you can afford to play full blown retail, then what are you doing here on this site trying to win free games? Why don't you just pack your rich butt up and go pay full retail and stop trying to mooch off others who are offering games for people who might not otherwise be able to get them,

I never paid for the game more than 5€. My philosophy. That's all.

Most of the games these days go on sale for sure, eventually.
And many (indie) games get bundled.

Now, if they really think that if people buy their games on sale or when in a bundle it will be a loss for them, why put the game on sale/bundle in the first place?
Do you think they are all so selfless people that they do something which doesn't profit them?

I think it depends how important a game is for you. If it is a game i want now, i just buy it but if i want it, but not right now, why not wait til the price drops a little.
It happened, that i bought games more than one time for different gaming systems (xbox, pc etc.) because i really love them and want to support the devs (and because they were not that new and cheap^^).
But i get your point and think you are right. If everyone would wait until the price drops the devs would not get enough money (often a problem for excellent but less sold games). So it depends if they deserve getting my full money or less or nothing.

The people who control the value of games are the publishers. If they weren't so keen to devalue their products by quickly going to sale or shoving their games in bundles then people would pay full price more often. It's supply and demand, and right now the market is being flooded with cheap games so people get used to it.

I do think it is possibly harmful to the industry, but believe it's for the industry to fix and not the consumers. All they need to do is stop going to sale/bundles as quickly as they do now, and if customers are thinking "wow, that looks great, and it won't be on sale for 2-3 years" then they'll be much more likely to pay full price. If folk know it's going to be on sale in 3-6 months then it often makes sense to wait.

Games are just not that important to me that I need to play them on day one. And since i have a huge backlog, I don't see the point of paying more for something that will most probably go down in price before I even had the time to play it. There are a few exceptions, and I have even pre-ordered a couple of times for games I really wanted to play ASAP (and wanted to support the developer) but most of the time I don't buy any game that's not at least 50% off.

I agree with you. Let's be unpopular together. Deals are a great thing and can definitely help a game gain some exposure, but we should also support the developers. shrugs

I doubt, that anyone would buy the same amount of games for the regular retail price. At the end the budget is the same.
And there is one more point. Its not like milk-price dumping. Many more people buy game xy if its on sale( digitals copies with nearly zero more costs for developers , publisher, retailers and so on). It is their decision to put something on sale to generate more sales and at the end more money. And those bundles are also a way promotion. There are several games I have first seen here an steamgifts and bought them.

The flippant attempts to justify this behavior ITT are quite sad. Sad and lame.

Focus less on pure consumption and more on creating original intellectual property personally and the OP will begin to appear more sensible to you.

I don't wait for sale, sale waits for me.

I'm sorry to see that most people are too childish to keep a civil argument. No need to call me an "idiot" or "rich ass". I understand if you have a different opinion, but I won't listen to you if you can't express it properly

I agree about the bundling thing, it makes it seem like they are desperate for people to play their game. But sales come and go and I don't see how that would devalue a game. I once bought a game full price (only $10) and then a week later it was on sale. Oh, well. But if I wasn't checking every day to see what the sales are I would never have known that it was on sale and that I could have gotten it cheaper.

We're not killing the industry by buying bundles, and what, you think the developers aren't contacted when one of their games is chosen to possibly be put on sale for FAR more than it normally is? Of course not. Humble Bundle and numerous other sites don't just throw whatever together, they actually have to do things to not get sued. Most games in bundles are put there to try and give them a little boost, get them seen a little more, so that (hopefully) when the bundle is over, more people will buy it after they've seen a friend play it, or the friend tells them about it.

What you call "intentionally looking for an amazing game to lose its value" others call "patiently waiting for a lower price". It was the indie developers who created this mindset of waiting by throwing anything and everything into bundles.

I personally don't see where you or anyone else thinks they should have a say in how others spend their money, but thanks for your opinion.

We're spoile indeed. Have you ever thought about the reasoning why we are being spoiled? The developers themself put their games in bundles just a couple of months after launch. Or they do a 50% sell after 2 months. Fuck that, why buy a game for full price if it will be cheaper in the matter of a couple of months. I prefer to buy 12 games of 5$ instead of one game for 60$.

Also, I'm not poor; it's a choice to not buy games at full retail price.

Okay, so we are spoiled for not buying games at full price.

I admit, if I can get a game cheaper then I will get the game cheaper. However, I do buy some games at full price because I am interested in playing them. It's the interest part that decides for me if I want to pay full price or not. Especially if I already like the developers, because I respect the time and dedication they put into games to create a unique experience. When it comes to AAA titles, I get about 85% of them during sales or discounts, unless it's made by companies I respect.

I have a lot of games, I don't need to wait for sales or bundles, so that's not how I think. I pick up bundles or cheap games because I can. Bundles are released every week and if I have the money I pick them up. At least I am paying for them, and since when is paying for something killing the industry? :D

Dude, I could afford buying a decent rig for gaming 2 years ago which even today runs new games on high (maybe not so ultra) but I can't afford to buy every major 40-50 euro game on release, because where I live price of the game is a 1/15 of the whole computer.

Well, they asked for it.

They literally flooded the market with games. Some are very good, but mostly, just average games not different from anothers, others are really awful.

Some time ago, being an indie meant something, they were delivering high quality games. But now (cant speak about all of them tho) they just make games, doesnt matter if it has replay value, or even if the thing works at all, some wont even start.

By flooding the market, prices have to go down, i mean, the number of gamers who pay has not gone up too much in comparison with the amount of games that are being produced.

My most played games are League of Legends and Hearthstone, I didn't pay anything for them and I don't plan to do so in the future. In my case I compere all games to them. I got hundreds of hours of playtime for free, obviously normal games are not even close to that.

But why did I even start buying games in the first place? Why not just play F2P games? Because of huge Steam sales and bundles! Without them I would never start to buy them in the first place. And I'm pretty sure developers are happy to get at least some money for my 300+ Steam games in compression to just playing F2P games without spending any money.

Also, I don't think that bundles are a bad thing for indie developers. They help to boost their game sales and making the game more popular (if it's good) same goes for the Steam start page (e.g. for sales). (Best thing I found after 10 sec googeling, I know I'm lazy...)