Recently I've been away from Discussions, as I've been reviewing all my gifted games. As you can check, I've given away some 450+ games here & did raise some of the concerns in topics here:

As some of the users here from SG got to my contacts, we talked more & more about our own experiences here.
& it got me thinking, that I also haven't done my "homework". So last few weeks some of you have noticed I made some extra effort about BL some people & spreading out the word about their behavior here: https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/ELKf6/noise#8Nx6bmF
As I'm part of the FREE WORLD, so I do think that every action have consequence (including this post), I have done it with my FREE WILL & SOUND MIND.

Upon reviewing all my 450+ given games, most of the users (some 80%) have been added to my BLACKLIST (BL)
The reasons are following:

  1. If user has not being "thankful" for given game, it is my right to BL him. Even though that is not "obligatory" by new Community standards (link here: https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/ffcDF/proposed-guidelines ), it is obligatory my standards of nice behavior.
    Some 50% of users lack the time & well behavior to do so, from my review of the given games.
  2. If user is here only to win games - which mean the user has got more winning here, then given games - then is also added to BL, which is some 80% of users who have won the game. As this is a site that promoted gifting, so I choose to (which I'm entitled to & anyone can follow my example) promote gifting to users which are here to gift & receive back - not the ones who are only here to receive the games. Some users here gifted none or gifted few games & taken hundreds of the games, making their "possession" more hungry for more games.
    This is not the behavior I would like to see on this site, as a user here. So I acted with tools I had & BL all those people.

All those nice people which thanked for games & are here to gift back - those were WHITELISTED & I congratulate to them on this occasion. Those are the users which can make SG great again & those are the users which can carry out the goodness of this World.

Last, I do expect to get on someone BL after this post (some 103 at this point in time), as they will not agree with me & my actions. That's OK & I do understand, as I wouldn't want to get games from those people anyway. Not that I need much, as my STEAM account already has seom 2.800+ games, of which only 164 were won here on SG (by today, 20th Oct 2019).
Also, I do write this to the good users, how to protect their gifts from people who are sucking up all the goodness out of this site. You have a power to BL or WL any user here, depending on their behavior, gifting & contribution to the site, writing posts, being rude or any other way. Act on it & this might lead to a better site...

Enjoy,
KLiKzg

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Isn't SteamTrades only for SteamTrades?
That's like giving bad feedback on Gumtree because the feedback they left you on eBay when you sold them something was "Good Seller" instead of "Fantastic Seller. 10/10. Will Buy From Again!!!11!!"

I haven't given away nearly as much as you but why do you feel it's necessary for people to say thanks? Lots of people say thanks before the giveaway has even finished, isn't that enough?
And doesn't this community have some weird play "everything you win" group? Doesn't it have several?

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he's a drama queen, check his other discussion...
watch out he will quote from the bible and want you to build a hospital or something like the "klikzg sanctuary" in your hometown after you entering one of his Giveaways :D

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i have one spare sancturay and two hospitals
where to unload them ?

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And doesn't this community have some weird play "everything you win" group? Doesn't it have several?

There's both Playing Appreciated (play your win within a month) and Playing Matters (finish your win within 3 months).

But I wouldn't say either group is weird... Some of the members in those groups? Yeah, sure. But not the groups themselves. ;)

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Increase the level of the giveaways or enter a group, don't make giveaways just to get whitelisted. I didn't blacklist anyone for more than a year now, but you can have one. Also your giveaways suck, that's why no one is thankful for them, they do you a service with entering you GAs and increasing your CV, you should be thanking them. Feel free to blacklist.

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Not a single played win. Another leecher added to my (quite short) forever blacklist.

Also, did you blacklist the 9 people you never bothered to send the games they won?

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I fully support your decision to BL or WL anyone on whatever criteria you want to. Thanks for being a part of the community and everything but I am confused on why you thought you needed to make this post. It seems to just create drama where there doesn't need to be any since everyone can just go on maintaining their lists however they like,

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Dude I really want to believe youre concerned about wellbeing of this community, but honestly this whole post just scream "im a duche that feel wronged that nobody praise me for how many giveaways i made".

I see you have huge grudge against "leechers" and you're convinced that they're reason why this site is falling.

Believe it or not, if you're unlucky, you can get to a point in life when buying stupid 1$ bundle is too much. Sounds like dumb excuse? Yeah, but I've been there.
You can also get so low in your life that winning stupid giveaway is brightest point of your month, proof that universe doesn't hate you. Dumb, right? I also been there.
No mention army of kids that have no way to pay back, but will actually use those bundle leftovers you dont want.

You could ban all of them, because who cares about their story... But the thing is that some of those leechers will eventually start making GA. Some after two weeks, some after two years.

Now I wont go so far to say that leechers are pillar of this site (hah), many are assholes (many not-leechers also are), but i dont think theyre most harmfull thing either.

What is (in my opinion) more harmful?

  • Forum drama. Few times i was very close to say "fu_k this site and this community" after seeing some nice examples of forum drama. Some people did leave, and usually those where people who were making GA.

  • "Its not fair" mentality. Punishing leechers, comparing dick... i mean CV, etc.
    But how it can be harmful? Its not like people who make GA are suffering from it.
    I'm not a big giver, but i created few giveaways... however if that site had rules that bluntly punish me for not creating giveaways - i would probably never use it and never made a single GA.
    Other thing - theres more and more closed groups with obligatory GA making - obviously I like to win so I join those groups... but since I cant afford making many GA, I will limit my GA to group only. This mean less open GA and worse quality of open GA. And that means its less likely for new people to think "hey, this is really nice community... maybe... maybe its time to give something back".

Oh speaking about quality of GA. Sure you made a lot of GA, and some were very nice, but there's also a lot of crap. How you can even complain about leechers? What were you expecting? People that are most likely to join such GA are hoarding leechers!

Quality community members are usually picking games they want and will play...
Yeah speaking about playing your wins - I always thought that SG is place to use when you buy a bundle for yourself and you have those few keys you dont want - so they can go to people that actually will use them.
From my perspective bigger offense than being a "leecher" is not playing your wins. If you dont play your win you're an asshole that takes away game from someone who would actually use it.

Now lets look at your wins... and I start to wonder if my "do you even play" tool is broken because you have big, fat 0% of played wins. You won 164 games during 3 years and you dont have a SINGLE achievement. Seriously?

Now I dont want to say you're everything what is wrong with this site, I dont want to blacklist you or pressure others to punish you. I'm far from playing all my wins, I made my share of crappy GA, my CV isn't that perfect, so I dont think I even have right to judge anyone.
My point is to show you some perspective, that others might see this site in different way, and also I'm pretty sure that if SG would change in a way you want to - it would probably die really freaking fast.

Also every person that use SG learns quickly that only way to use forum and stay sane is to not give a single fu_k about blacklists. Some people blacklist for reasonable things and some because phase of moon was wrong. No one really cares about your reasons, no matter how many GA you make. Leave that "blacklist, whitelist, its not fair" mindset and this community will become much more pleasant for you.

Also steamgifts comments apparently have no word limit! evil laughter

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There is a limit for comments, but it is 10,000 characters :)

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goddamnit i need to write more (┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻

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Now I dont want to say you're everything what is wrong with this site

I'll say it. He's everything that's wrong with this site.

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+1

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+0.5

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Still working hard on that perma-ban, I see.

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When I was a kid, I would open the door for others nearby whenever I was out in public. It was polite. It was right. It was decent. But every now and then I would remember some person, maybe they were a kid like me or someone elderly, but they just wouldn't say "Thank you" or any other decent sign of gratitude. I would always remember that person. I'd tell my mother or my sister, "That person didn't even say thank you!" They would tell me that you don't open a door to get thanked by someone, you open it because you're being polite and it's right. That sort of advice didn't stick with me, and I would get frustrated that I wasn't properly thanked. That's how kid me thought.

Now I just open doors for people because not every door is an automatic door.

Damn those rude non-automatic doors. How dare they not open for others?!

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When I was an undergrad in uni, we were on a small off-site campus with only 200 or so students. It was customary that if someone was walking behind you, you would hold the door open for them (several fire doors to open on the way down the corridor XD). I was there for 4 years and it's something everyone just did without thinking. Most people there were nice.

Whenever we would visit the main campus, which had about 10,000 students, it would be very rare that someone would have the decency to hold the door open. They'd just let it swing back in your face. LOL. I would still hold that door open for a stranger because it's just the way I am. But... out in the larger world, people are more often just assholes... like those non-automatic doors. hehe!

Smaller communities are always nicer to each other because everyone knows everyone. That was the case in my small design campus. In larger communities like this, you meet countless rude people, and it's because they just don't care. They figure that they won't have to interact with you much or even at all in the future, so why should they go out of their way to be nice. It's a sad way to be, but... meh... humans kinda suck. XD

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Sooo... are you saying that SG would be a better place if all but 200 people would be banned?

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When you put it that way...

evilface

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lol
also: spooky! haven't recognized you at first glance :D

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Damn, now I just remembered that I forgot to thank a person last week who opened a door for a blind friend and me because I was "busy" directing her towards it...

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I blacklisted you a long time ago. And that's because you mostly give away crap and stir up drama.

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Do you truly believe in karma as you claim? If so, the irony is pretty amazing.

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Hmpf. If I followed that rule, I would have run out of the blacklist limit years ago.

Also, seriously, play your won games. There are some astonishingly good stuff among your wins.

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Did I get it right?

You hate leechers but you are a leecher yourself as you have 0 games played from all the games won? So you hate yourself?

Also you want to change the rules by breaking ST rules by lying about trades that never happend?

And you don't understand the difference between trade and gift?

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I'm disappointed to see how the SG community has changed. Gifting isn't about what you can get back, it's about kindness towards others without the expactation of pay. If you expect to get something back you should go to steamtrades. Sure it can be frustrating when people don't even say thanks, but that should not be why you gift anyway.

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Well I do hope your steam page is correct and you are philantropistric in real life. Because up to this point all your posts and comments scream "me, me, me, me I am so great, I am so great" .. Very egocentric. And totally opposite of your overly self loving boastful info on steam

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Well I do hope your steam page is correct and you are philantropistric in real life

If I learned anything in life, it's never to trust a person who say they are a philanthropist. A true philanthropist selflessly gives without needing to poster how generous they are everywhere (seriously, how egocentric can you get to pretty much put that at top of your "great traits list"?). :P

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I'm more surprised by this person being a "PR Specialist".

A mechanical engineer, philanthropist, model, actor, sportsman, PR specialist, gamer, and SG police officer? Is there anything that KLiKzg can't do?

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Be humble

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He is also a snake oil salesman, being in the herbalife pyramid scheme.

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Don't forget optimistic, it really come through his post ;D

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I guess by your definition I am a bit of a leech since I did not give a lot of games away but have received quite a few. Also haven't really played/completed a lot of my games but I do keep them in my backlog and often have them installed and ready to go but I also like to play multiplayer games that I am into and that my friends are playing. I really like playing with my friends, to be honest, who doesn't?

Now, I really want to get something clear, the reason I joined steamgifts is because I saw generous people gifting games over here. I thought that maybe I can pick up a game of few if I entered for a while. I always pick games that I feel like I'll be playing, I have no intention of joining giveaways for games I see that I'll never touch in my lifetime.
I don't want to bring the pity brigade here but condition in my country isn't the best. I don't have a job and I am still in the studying phase. I can't just get a "part time job" here as casually because things don't work the same in our country as it would in yours. There isn't a lot of way I could buy games unless I save up for a long time, wait for a sale and then finally buy a game I feel like I'd play( then regret it since I didn't play it that much and wanna get something else :s). So steamgifts allowed me to experience a wider array of games than I would've been able to.

That is why I can't spend tons of money on giveaways or those crappy bundles, because there's still a lot of games I've desired to play for a long time and also because I can't buy games as often as a lot of other people. When I have a spare and none of my friends are interested in it, then I give it away to a good home.

In the future when I have a job and settle down, I'll probably be more capable financially. However, as of right now, you're poking fun at people like us, you're mocking us that we can't "just buy a bundle" to gift, "give to the community and don't be selfish". Ah yes, let me go take out a loan to satiate your thirst for giveaways real quick.

To end it off, I thought this was steamgifts. Gifting or helping someone has nothing to with gains or karma. You either help or gift someone because you want to give and expect nothing in return. Karma whether it exists or not doesn't just rely on your action but your mentality too, the meaning behind the action if you will. If you help someone but for your own benefit or gift someone expecting a return, that won't be as good of a karma as you think it is. When someone gives you a gift on your birthday, they are not going to be like "Hey, I expect a game that is at the same value or higher than the one I gave you because karma bro". Plus, don't forget that mere words are a form of action as well, when you speak or type.

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You're worse than any of the leechers I've seen, purely on your toxic behaviour alone.

A leecher does nothing fundamentally harmful - They can typically be avoided through level requirements, SGTools, even private groups (there is no shortage of options here). Additionally, they still use the website as it is intended, even if it can be seen as unethical. Rather than wanting the greater good for this community, to me it seems you care more about yourself and criticizing others' behaviour than improving the quality of the community - Not to mention you don't give a shit about the SG/ST community enough to follow the website's rules, because they aren't convenient to your crusade and therefore they don't apply to you, right?

Then you come here and start your obnoxiously egocentric threads about your superior way to handle those evil, evil users who don't fulfill your exact requirements for the opportunity to receive a chance at your amazing high quality giveaways (all while assuring us that you're doing it for the greater good of the community).

I don't usually call out people for their behaviour on this forum. I don't know, maybe I'm in a bad mood. Or maybe you've managed to come off as such a twat you made me react. Whatever the case... man, get off your high horse and rethink your attitude - If you hate SG so much, then join/create your own private group and create your giveaways through it. Or you know, just leave. I'm sure not many here will miss your threads.

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a hot dog

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Thank you, princess.
Very cool. :3

Edit: pa cek ti si hrvat lmao sta te navelo da si tako ajmo rec lose ponasas prema ljudima :3

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Damn man sounds like you've had enough of the ungrateful users and bots crap over the years.

But I agree with you, I also do that, when I give a game away and I see the user has activated it yet they didn't even have the courtesy to thank me for it then I BL them, as it really doesn't take much effort to just thank someone yet they couldn't be arsed to.

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One thing is steamgifts and one thing is steamtrades. Keep both things separated please.

You tell, why are you giving negative rep to people in steamtrades when there is no trade involved?

I hardly ever say thanks to won gifts, it's my policy and it has nothing to do with respect, honor, being polite.. etc. So you are judging people randomly

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So, your policy is to be impolite, and you pretend it has nothing to do with being polite? Nice try.

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Why are you doing this? If I say something you are just gonna shoot, right?

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Shoot? Why? If you choose to be impolite - it's your call. Just stop pretending it has nothing to do with politeness.

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Well... If I you get a gift it is common sense to say "thank you". It's not forbidden to not do it but where I live it is not polite to take a gift without saying thank you.

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Since saying thank you has everything to do with politeness and respect for others, your policy is unusual and I wonder what you base it on.

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on the unusual

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I was also wondering the same.

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Could you explain your logic please? How come a policy of being intentionally rude has nothing to do with being polite? I'm a bit confused here.

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reading on your own interested, that's what confuses you. Anyway, I should put an end to this conversation since there is no way to reason with some people.

So ending it, "If you don't say thanks to you, you are not worthy of my giveaways". Mature.

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I'm sorry, but your English is broken to a state of complete incomprehensibility - so yeah, you're probably correct, it hardly makes sense to go on.

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Escríbelo en español y yo lo traduzco mejor por ti

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I think that when you give something you should expect nothing in return, of course it is polite to say thanks but why would you care if the person said it or not, does it change something for you? You are judging the books by their covers.

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Well... I wouldn't blacklist someone for something as dumb as this, but it is just a common courtesy to say "thank you" when someone gives you something. If they hand you something for your birthday... "thank you." If they hold the door open for you... "thank you." If they help you in some other way... "thank you." It's not that difficult and it just makes the person feel appreciated in some small way. I always do it and I would feel bad if I didn't. Gosh, I even say "thank you" when I'm buying something in a shop (and in such case, I'm just thanking them for a paid service). You don't know how the other person's day is going and it does not hurt you to be nice to them. I don't really understand the people who behave rudely, but meh. Nothing we can do about them, only hope they learn. Hehe!

Judging a book by its cover is judging someone for how they look and not their personality. How they behave, on the other hand, can be judged pretty fairly in most cases. Not saying "thanks" makes me think that the person is just entitled and wasn't taught by their parents to have respect for others. Although, the OP himself isn't exactly doing himself any favours with this thread either. LOL!

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So what if your blacklist list is full, which at this rate will happen very soon.

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That's probably why he creates such threads. If everyone blacklists him, he doesn't have to do it himself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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You seem to look at this hobby through black and white lens.
Besides you seem to want to propagate your views as the most apt for this site.
I don't have the absolute truth, but I'm pretty sure this site is plural enough to have many people with different views, and all of them as legit as yours.
Now that I re-read this before posting, I wonder if this post of mine is a contribution or just a mere observation of the obvious.

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You sure like bragging. Also small reminder that without leechers nobody would enter 90% of your giveaways xD

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You're free to do what you want, and blacklist for whatever you want.

I personally think that thanking someone for their giveaway is very important, but that's something that's important for me to do to show my gratitude. I appreciate it when others do it, but I wouldn't blacklist someone for not doing it (and I like giving people the benefit of the doubt, and assume that they meant to say thanks but just forgot).

However, I'm not sure why you would go to another site, SteamTrades, and leave people negative rep there for something they did here. The two sites are separate, and the rep there is unrelated. By doing that, it seems that you are being a jerk, which goes against your apparent goal of being kind and appreciative and fostering kindness and appreciation. A gift is something freely given expecting nothing in return.

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Being the "glass is half full" guy I am, I can honestly say your threads are always comedy gold.
I'd ask you to lighten up a bit, but then I'd surely miss these classics.

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Closed 2 weeks ago by MSKOTOR.