Hello everyone.

I'm going to update CPU and GPU. Since GPU prices are absurdly high ATM, I'm focusing now on the CPU.

Actually I have a motherboard with an AM4 socket, hosting an AMD Ryzen 7 3700X. The motherboard is a Asus TUF B450-Pro GAMING. It also holds 32GB RAM and an nVidia 2060 SUPER. Really what's that with tags all in uppercase? I got it for the extra VRAM, not because it said "super" or it was a fancy name like BARRACUDA in uppercase.

First question: can I put any AMD Ryzen that uses AM4 socket without any modification or need? Or are there any restrictions?

Second: are fans compatible between generations? Maybe I must stick to Ryzen 7 or something?

Third question: I've been looking at the available stuff in different generations. AMD Ryzen 7 5800XT is within budget, still uses AM4 (next generation uses AM5), and looks good. But, I'm not sure how well does it compare to my current one. Am I wasting money in a measly upgrade, or is it worth €170? Ryzen 9 goes kinda beyond what I'd like to spend. At least the 5800XT is a big step in TDP: 105W vs my old one having 65W only; I can't compress movies without the computer shutting down due to overheating.

However, the AMD Ryzen 9 5900XT is almost double the performance for 100 bucks more, and it surely will feel like a real upgrade. It's also among the best made before changing to socket AM5, so it seem a good choice. I've done a comparison, but I feel more comfortable with personal, voiced opinions of people who knows more about these things than me: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3485vs6307vs6187/AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800XT-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5900XT

Curiously the 5900X (no T) is minimally more expensive where I'm going to buy the CPU, but I can get a refurbished one for +€50 less. My Steam Deck is refurbished and I didn't see anything in it that said so when I got it, so far my experience with refurbished things has been good.

I'm not changing the MB, that'd be even more money and I prefer to only change the CPU. Other Ryzen models are welcome if you think they are a good upgrade at a decent price. But I don't think I'd pay more than the cost of a Ryzen 9 5900XT (€280 without deep searching for better offers).

Help me shed some light over my doubtful brain. Thanks in advance.

EDIT
The upgrade has been aborted. You can read why at the last post I made in this thread: https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/78F26fS

1 day ago*

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First question: any cpu that uses AM4 socket should be fine but you probably need to update bios for newer cpu, and you stuck with pcie gen3

2nd question: it uses the same socket should be compatible.

3rd question: if this is for gaming, I'd go with 5700x3d or 5800x3d

23 hours ago
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I did something similar a year or so ago. I know from prior experience that as a dead slot/socket standard gets older, its top-end CPUs get more expensive, not cheaper, so I upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5950X while it was still cheap enough to justify. That way, I know it'll keep me going for as long as possible before I need to upgrade my motherboard.

First question: Check your motherboard BIOS/UEFI against the current version. You might need to update it, if it's old enough that it doesn't support the new CPU you end out buying. As long as the manufacturer didn't drop support for the board prematurely, there should be an update that supports all AM4 CPUs (Asus is pretty good about that, so hopefully you're in good shape there).

Second question: It probably depends on your cooling setup. If yours is marginal, and only really suitable for managing heat on a 65W CPU, you might need to upgrade to a cooling setup that's suitable for the 105W TDP. I didn't have to upgrade mine, but when I first built this system, I put in a decent (not great) closed-loop liquid CPU cooler. If you're using AMD's OEM fan on the old 65W CPU, I'd be hesitant to use it as-is on a 105W CPU. If your computer is already shutting down when compressing movies, it sounds like your cooling is already inadequate. Nearly any upgrade (CPU or GPU) is going to make that problem worse unless you address your cooling problems.

Third question: You've already looked at benchmarks that will help answer this question. My old CPU and new CPU were both different from what you're looking at, but I can say that I saw a significant improvement when I upgraded from a 3rd to 5th generation CPU. I went from a 3900X to a 5950X. As I said in my intro paragraph, my personal feeling is that if you're going to upgrade CPU on a discontinued socket, it's worth getting the best CPU you can to maximize the life of that motherboard. It's a little more money, but if it gets you an extra few years before you need to upgrade your motherboard, it might be worth it, depending on your financial situation. Whatever you go with now, by the time you need to upgrade again, it won't make any sense to stick with AM4, so your choice now will determine how soon you need a new motherboard.

23 hours ago
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Second: are fans compatible between generations?

CPU coolers are mounted to the motherboard, and their specifics depend on the socket only. So technically you can keep it...

I can't compress movies without the computer shutting down due to overheating.

... however probably you shouldn't. Thermal shutdown is not normal, if the cooler is inadequate for your current CPU already, it certainly won't be enough for a more powerful one.

Oh, I type slow as it seems ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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First question: I'd say the first thing to look is the motherboard website. It will inform you of the CPU compatibility list (there shouldn't be any problem if it's the same AM4 socket but it never hurt to check) and you can determine which upgrades of BIOS (sometimes, you have to upgrade it several times) you should do for your new CPU.
Second: It should be compatible but if you say the new CPU has higher TDP, maybe you'll need a better fan or your PC will heat too fast.
Third: Too subjective, it depends of your own exigences and money you want to spend. CPU benchmarks are useful but you can also directly check some videos. It's easier for my shallow knowledge ;)

One last thing to check is your power supply
Well,I'm probably writing the same things as other... ^^

Edit: check if the offer for the AMD Ryzen 7 5800XT CPU come with a fan, it should be enough to do the job.

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The higher the resolution you use the less important the CPU. I tested what I just told you myself with a 5700X and RTX 4090. In 1440p and above nearly always the GPU is the limiting factor.
I'd get a used mainboard with 5XX chipset as they are cheap and a more powerful GPU. Just now there are attractive used offers for e.g. AMD 6800 or Nvidia 3080 between 300-400 USD (or your currency equivalent) available. If this is over budget get a 3070 or 6750XT.

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My cooling problems come that the PC has 5 years and I've never dusted off the insides. I bet I can lower it 20 celsius just by cleaning. I used to do it every year once, but somehow after I bought this one I simply let it go.

I think I might be better upgrading the GPU than the CPU. Gaming is my 1st usage ATM. So, a RTX 3080 is out of question, the prices here are so high. But I can get a refurbished 3070 for 300 to 400 bucks. I play at 4k whenever I can (Assetto Corsa, Forza Horizon 4, ETS2/ATS Truck Simulator, etc.).

However looking at comparisons makes me think that paying +300 bucks for a 35% improvement is again a waste: https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-vs-GeForce-RTX-3070

A 3080 would be an improvement of +50% but it's 550 bucks (refurbished!) for me and that's too much: https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-vs-GeForce-RTX-3080

You should see how fast the price increases for other brands, like the average is around one thousand and Ti models getting to €2,000.

So, right now I can't get better items, thus any upgrade has been aborted.

Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions.

22 hours ago
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Those GPU comparisons miss one factor of growing importance: VRAM. The og 3080 has 10 GB which is barely enough for actual games at 4K highest settings. Nvidia has some GPUs with rather powerful cores but lacking in VRAM. That's why I always suggest to consider AMD GPUs as they tend to have more VRAM. A bummer that your used market has such high prices. I really should sell my old stuff at your place :)

21 hours ago
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As for the processor, I'd go with the 7 5800X3D. Regarding the graphics card, I see you want an Nvidia card, but for example, for 389.99 you can get an RX 9060XT with 16GB of VRAM wich is the newest generation (this is available in America; prices may vary in other countries) or an RX 6800 XT with 16GB for around 250.

20 hours ago
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I just found this post, so I'll add a little something as a supplement.


First, the supported range varies significantly depending on the motherboard you're currently using.

While BIOS updates can considerably change the supported range, motherboard manufacturers may not release compatible BIOS (UEFI) updates if the motherboard's capacitor implementation prevents it.


Ryzen 5 5600F

Actually, even though 10 years have passed, an APU for AM4 is finally about to be released.
However, this is intended for specific Asian markets, and it is doubtful whether it will be available in the EU.

 Additionally, this period coincides with the end of support for Windows 10, causing the cost of all precision equipment to approach double the usual price.

Given the current situation, I think the best approach is to check how much compatibility with new equipment can be achieved through firmware and driver updates for existing devices.

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Are you looking at the new/refurbished cards market only? Because your mentioned prices for the previous gen cards are extremely high.

For a previous gen card, the best option is to go for the used market. Of course it depends on your local market, but you should be able to score a RTX 4070 (maybe even Super) or a RX 7800xt below 400€

For a new card, at this price range, AMD is the only logical choice - RX 9060XT 16GB version is in stock for ~350-380€, again, depends on your local market. And with this card, compared to a 2060 you should get almost a 2x performance increase in some (if not all) games.

19 hours ago
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For gaming, there isn't much of a reason to swap 3700x for anything else while staying on RTX 2060. Otherwise, 5700x3d / 5800x3d is way to go for a little bit of longevity, problem is, one is already overpriced and other unavailable. And that is, if you can get them cheaper than Ryzen 7700x (which outclasses them, but incompatible with AM4) and also plan to upgrade GPU in the perf. range of let's say up to RTX 5070 in the nearest future. In any other case, save up for a whole new platform at this point.

19 hours ago
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If your goal is to upgrade the PC for gaming purposes your best option is a 5800X3D CPU. Nothing else on AM4 can touch it when it comes to gaming performance. The higher core CPU's (like 5900X, 5950X, etc.) are actually slower for games due to splitting the cores across multiple CCD's and having less cache memory per-CCD, and should only be used if you have specific apps that are designed around high core counts.

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