Another late night (almost midnight so morning-ish) reminiscence and question for the lovely people of SG.

I had quite the tiring day heh. I planted a large garden, got the electric fence set, planting done. Now I gotta figure out how to stop those annoying raccoons from murdering my garden again! Well, for a brief preface last year my garden was massacred by raccoons who apparently braved the electric fence and shocked themselves to get to the food (the stench of burnt fur lingered in some places yuck...).

I'm currently looking around for something else that might deter a raccoons. Last time I tried a scarecrow no luck, raccoon trap no luck, raccoon trap with bait no luck, a few items of smell that's supposed to deter raccoons no luck....

Ideas are helpful!

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Shoot them

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my 1st thought!

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if they revealed themselves i'd be more then obliged to

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An electric fence didn't stop them? That's some determination, or a very strong hunger.
There's no racoons here in the south, no clue of how to deal with them.

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my cousin's place got ravaged by monkey hordes too, they tried shooting them, scaring them off etc, nothing worked. So they caged themselves inside. like a huge cage put around the house.

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Have you ever watched Oggy and cockroaches?
sry for no real advice idk shit abt raccoons :v

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i love that cartoon <3

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4 foot chicken fence wont keep them out? You tilt the top a bit and bury the bottom as well. Who knows, if they are determined enough to circumvent your electric fence that might not be enough. Some people swear by motion sensor sprinklers but I've never seen it first hand...

Other than that, an outside dog might work.

Best of luck!

8 years ago
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the poor doggo will be attacked by the pack of racoons. Atleast my doberman got attacked by monkey gang :(

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Monkeys are smarter and know that they can outwit a dog, so that's why they can be so bold. I doubt raccoons would mess with a dog.

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There's also a chance I could get attacked by piranha if I were to sit in a pool with them but the likelihood of that happening is actually low. In fact a lot lower than most people would think.

edit: I guess I should have clarified. When I said a dog I meant one that is actually suitable for defending the territory, knows what it is doing, and has bravado.

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There was a woman in the local paper recently whose chihuahua was killed by seagulls - but I don't think that means that most breeds should fear death from above. Raccoons are clearly more dangerous than seagulls, but broadly speaking I assume the same thing applies.

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Chicken fence went out with the deer.

We do have an outside dog. From the very brief viewing I got once upon a time, the raccoon looks at the dog, then just proceeds.

Dog can't get past dat electric fence though and can't let him go too far out past his area otherwise he goes to the neighbors or heaven knows where.

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I used to have a German Shepherd and it never would have allowed a raccoon to encroach upon its territory. Need a dog that is less Mahatma Gandhi and more Genghis Khan.

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That simile killed me :P

Thank you for the laugh!

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less Mahatma Gandhi

are you sure:

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A noisy dog.
A dog simulator.

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A dog simulator should work. They'll get bored fast if not in to meta games at that particular moment

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Raccoons are scary. Don't let them give you rabies!

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Those raccoons must be starving if they'll take an electric fence to get some food. Perhaps you should try putting out something else (outside the fence) for them to eat? Is dog kibble more appetizing to raccoons than whatever you're growing? Animals usually go for the "tastiest and easiest to get" when it comes to food, and their stomachs only have so much room.

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As I've said, we've tried traps with bait (meat, kibble, leftover scraps, etc.) outside and inside the electric fence before but they just ignore it and go for the garden

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Try baiting the trap with strawberry jelly.

EDIT I have been corrected Strawberry Jam. (apparently jelly is the one without fruit in it, you want the fruit)

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Probably wouldn't work anyways. Our family tried trapping raccoons that would come into our yard. Some of them were able to break out of the metal trap...

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What is in the garden that's attracting them so much?

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Weed?

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I am not sure about this idea because this might attract more raccoons or any other animal. They might also try to settle down because there is plenty of food nearby.

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+1

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Although I appreciate the sentiment, authorities on the subject say: "Never intentionally provide food for raccoons and discourage your neighbors from this practice as well; it only attracts more raccoons."

As a rule, you want to minimize human interaction with wild animals by changing the circumstances so they choose to avoid humans. This is best for the animals, as it steers them away from behaviors that get them into trouble (eg, stealing dog food not meant for them, which is inevitably going to lead them into fights with dogs) and does not make them dependent on you. If your neighbor's cat or dog is killed by the raccoons and it comes out you got them hooked on pet food, you might even be liable from a legal standpoint.

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Thank you for the reminder. I had temporarily forgotten some of the details. That is generally good advice, but we are dealing with something different, here. These raccoons are already unafraid of humans, and they are already pilfering a ready (and regular) food source (i.e. the garden). What we want is to train them to do otherwise.. Our goal is to decrease rather than increase their presence.

My idea was that temporarily offering something easier and more desirable to eat would get them in the habit of looking for an easier meal, one that doesn't require braving an electric fence. We are training the raccoons that the garden isn't worth the torture, and redirecting them toward easier food sources. This is the first step.

The second step, once the raccoons have been misdirected to a secondary food source, is to gradually decrease it to the point of nothing. To accomplish that, you have to make sure that there is food every day (consistency), and you have to make sure that there is less food than the previous day. Eventually, you will be left with one morsel, and then none. In this process, you are training the raccoons to look elsewhere for nourishment. (They will still consider the garden as "not worth the trouble.") This is the second step.

The problem with this solution is that it takes some money and a considerable amount of time. It would probably work if done correctly, but the conditioning may be overturned if the raccoons are facing starvation. There is another alternative, however. Elevate your garden. If you have a hanging garden, you have much less to worry about from grounded animals. A third option is to build a greenhouse, making the garden inaccessible.

Of course, these are all just suggestions. My inclination is to ask those who are experts on raccoons as to what they would do in this situation.

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I'm sorry, I still have to disagree with this approach:

My idea was that temporarily offering something easier and more desirable to eat would get them in the habit of looking for an easier meal

This is training the raccoon, but the raccoon's perspective on this may be very different from yours. From a raccoon's perspective, finding a source of strawberries that requires crawling under chicken wire that will snag it and an electric fence that will zap it is not so different from it finding a source of blackberries that require it crawling under vines that will snag it. It's using the same foraging skills that it might still be using to find food elsewhere. The raccoon's just being opportunistic in exploiting OP's weak fencing - it's still acting like a wild raccoon, just braving the dog and electric fence because a garden's a dense concentration of food and a safe space to chow down (the dog won't cross the electric fence).

Chowing down on kibble from a bowl is something very different from foraging. It is training the raccoon to look for this kind of food as an easy meal as you say. It's a type of food it won't find in the wild, in a container that a human has set out for them (with some human scent still accompanying it). This is further away from its natural foraging behavior and much more like a spoiled house pet. This is the opposite direction you want to go with a wild raccoon.

In step one, you get the raccoon accustomed to eating pet food; in step two, you take this mana away without replacing it with another food source, so the raccoon, rather than going back to the 'torture' of the garden or the very similar blackberry bush looks for another bowl of pet food. Step three is him finding it in someone's back yard, garage, or kitchen by crawling into their their doggy door. You've replaced the minor problem of a raccoon acting as a wild raccoon in someone's garden with a raccoon trained to expect pet food as its primary food source then leaving it to seek it out on its own. The only places it can find the food you've conditioned it to eat are going to bring it into direct conflict with pets and humans. That seems as inevitable as it does undesirable - am I missing something?

As to making the food inaccessible, hanging gardens have to hang from something, and raccoons are able climbers, so I would recommend proper fencing: dug down deep enough to prevent the raccoons from burrowing under, strong enough posts and fencing material to withstand deer as well as raccoons, with a close enough spacing that a raccoon can't squeeze through. Standard no-climb fence may have too large an opening to block a raccoon - it's easy to back it with chicken wire hex, if the raccoons can still get through. Pressure-treated 4x4s are maybe $20 a pop (if deer took down the previous fence, OP may need something sturdier than T-posts), and a hundred feet of no-climb fence is less than $200, while chicken wire tends to be cheaper. It adds up, but you can enclose a large garden for far less than the cost of a greenhouse.

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Chowing down on kibble from a bowl is something very different from foraging.

Agreed. However, who said it has to be kibble from a bowl? It is easy enough to work around the problems you mentioned. Still, there's the thing you brought up about the raccoon's point of view. If chicken wire and electric fencing are "par for the course" for the raccoon, conditioning isn't really a good solution (unless you consider the ultimate demise of the raccoon a solution).

A greenhouse would solve the problem, but you are correct that serious fencing (although not as aesthetically pleasing) would accomplish the same thing with a lower price tag. It is up to the owner to decide which is more suitable for his or her property.

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Maybe play some high pitch noise while raccoons hit the fence. This works on my cat.

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Rig the fence with a car alarm. D

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Ha, I would suggest the noise in a frequency range that is hard to be heard by human but is extremely loud for raccoons. Not sure if raccoons have better ear though.

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Get some of that burn your butthole hot sauce mix with water and spray your plants(not pants). Get some hot peppers crush then up boil them in some water then strain that mess through some cheesecloth and spray the water on your plants sprinkle what was left in the cheesecloth around the base of the other plants.

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Well, maybe some people like having a burning butthole.

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Gives new meaning to wearing 'hot pants'

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lol I meant plants.

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Inb4 someone reading this thread decides to make a Plants vs. Raccoons game and dumps it on Greenlight

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quickly registers the plantsvsraccoons domains

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better than the game hot pants raccoons

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Capsaicin is not water soluble without emulsifiers (which would make it wash off in the next rain anyway). Use oil, whatever's cheapest and a blender instead of boiling.

The easy way is to spray the perimeter with bear spray but remember to wash your stuff with detergent before you eat it.

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Catch one alive In a trap. Bring it inside, torture it, then let it go. Word will get around.

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What about cutting its right hand for thievery and leaving a claim.

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With smell maybe, like plant a tree that racoon hate the smell of it. some fruit have strong smell that animal avoid it.
Another try maybe with predator fur, dander, saliva, urine, or feces. although you have to do it all over again when it rains.

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+1 predator urine. (There's something I never expected to write.) You can order it online.

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In many areas, it's illegal to trap and relocate wild animals without a permit. Aside from putting the animal in strange surroundings (which may be another animal's territory, adjacent to someone else's property, the habitat of an endangered species, etc.), you may be taking a mother raccoon away from nursing kits.

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I grew up on a farm, myself, and my father shooting coyotes attacking livestock was part of that. Deer and raccoons have been an occasional nuisance, but for us the best solutions have been to deny them the food they're after by securing it. I suspect that will be OP's best bet, too. Even if you trap and relocate a raccoon and it doesn't find its way home, there will be other deer, raccoons, etc., going after the garden. A good fence will protect against all of them, will last for years, and will cost less than hiring a professional trapper (possibly multiple times).

There would be more mothers with kits out there..it's not like they will go extinct anytime soon

Neither is the domestic dog going to go extinct if you take a nursing golden retriever away from her puppies. Relocating an animal is one thing, in terms of what people are comfortable with; realizing its young may starve as a result is something that fewer people are ready to accept. It's something they may not realize when thinking they're doing the animal a favor by moving it to a more natural setting.

if you know there is an endangered species there..take it elsewhere

Point being of course that you don't know there's an endangered species there - that's why it's one of the reasons why many places require you to get permission to relocate an animal from Fish & Game.

If it's another animal's territory then they will have to fight for it. Nature is the best isn't it?

I wouldn't call that nature, given that its a direct result of human action putting the animals in conflict. Take red ants and dump them into a hill of black ants and they'll fight, but it seems to me more a human action causing problems for wildlife than wildlife just being itself.

In any case, if OP goes for the trap and relocate option instead of fencing, I think you hit the nail on the head in advising he contact a professional.

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recruit some honey badgers to guard your garden

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Put mint plants in around the edges of the garden. The smell overpowers them and chases them away as well as other small animals.My uncle does this and his gardens don't get touched by animals at all.

Plus you can pick the mint leaves for fresh mojito's as well. :P

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Caution with mint plants, they spread like crazy and if you don't want them taking over, don't get them. Mint plants are said to deter all kinds of animals and event spiders and insects, but I've seen spiders living in mint plants and insects crawling on them, etc. so it's more of a "does it work for you?" and not "what works for sure?".

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What exactly are you growing that raccoons are going to such lengths to get at? I've got raccoons all over the place but they eat crayfish from the creeks and such, never even set foot in any gardens I've seen, including my own.

Edit: As an afterthought, you could try to work with what you got, you grow something raccoons apparently love, so grow that something for the raccoons. Make your garden harder to get at and make their garden easy for them to access, let them fill themselves on their own supply while yours stays safe. Not all animals solutions work in all cases, so you may just end up with a raccoon that eats both supplies, lol

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I think it'd be juuuuust a little safer to disregard animal safety and just start feeding it catfood (which they love) then to literally set up a mine field lol XD

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a) have a dog.
and b) have no food/litter

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Do not antagonize them, they might join up with your trees and wreck you.

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Uh... is poisoned food an option? (it works well with rats, but I'm not sure about raccoons, I live in a city so I have never met them)

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Take a few dead, shocked racoons and put them on a pals near the edges of your garden as a warning.

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Talk to them and explain that you dont wanna be friends with them anymore. It may seems a little harsh at first but it's the only way. Yes.

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Ah, the friend-zone tactic. I've had that used on me several times by raccoons, it's time they got some of it back.

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just ask Β΄em nicely.

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slavery is an option

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